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Title: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on February 20, 2015, 12:45:51 AM
Now that we have a place for spinning, I thought it would be good to get all of the resources in one place. The following tutorial links all deal with saber spinning or flourishes as a non combat art. We see these in the movies used to block blaster fire, but while they can be used in combat or choreography, they present no strategic advantage. These moves are all about the flash.

The Tutorials
Let me begin with some of what I have put together. Some of the moves in these tutorials will be familiar, others are adapted from other disciplines, and still others are of my own design. As a word of general caution, any move in these tutorials (or indeed in any tutorial or juggling, martial arts, tumbling, etc.) has the potential to result in injury. As others on this forum indicate, start slow. Your muscle memory will pick up the move. If you are not fluid with it, don't try for speed. As a disclaimer, these are my humble attempts. I am a teacher by profession, so I like to think they are well explained, but perfection is neither claimed nor guaranteed.

Single saber work
The following playlist is my tutorial series on single saber. While I may add to it, I consider it fairly complete. It begins with a simple spin, and leads to more advanced moves.

Tutorial series link (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf2BA9eUktws29zZjesedQ996qS8oYEpt)

Jar'Kai (dual Wield) saber work)
This playlist is my dual wield work (a work still in progress at the time of this post) and is considerably longer than the last. It also begins with the basics but gets much more complex. I do not recommend starting here unless you consider yourself proficient with single saber spinning in both hands.

Tutorial series link (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf2BA9eUktwtZ31TMlxPCV--oA8BwsEqH)

Aerial work (flips and rolls)
This is one of my earliest tutorial series. As such, it contains some overlap and is a bit more rough around the edges. It also contains moves that are potentially more destructive to your saber and environment. Select your practice space accordingly.

Tutorial series link (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf2BA9eUktwvUfR1a_FW6TFe_rYnEDkKL)
Further Viewing
Here are some youtube channels belonging to other people that I found particularly useful. I provide them here as a community resource. The owners of these channels may add or clarify as they see fit.

Venturous
Venturous specializes in staff spinning, but he has some very good tutorials on single and double weapon(he also has done some tutorials on nunchucks). These videos definitely helped me over a hump or two. Venturous is also a resident master on this forum so I am sure if you have any questions for him You can post them here and he will see them.

Channel link (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR1bX1OucgsmuuBmdcNU5kw)

Banditcar
One of the earliest tutorial series, he has some good pointers even if the obi/ani instructions are a bit vague.

Channel link (http://www.youtube.com/user/banditcar/videos)

CH3M15T
Mostly demos, CH3M15T is pretty active on this forum if you have questions. He specializes in all things dealing with dual wield and reverse grip spinning.

Channel link (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwiHzcMCb8ZLLlSWd_iMdGg)

Expert Village Bo Staff
This tutorial does not use a lightsaber, but I have found it is transferable to saberstaff and is well explained.

Tutorial series link (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6E135A8705590AD6)

Lordtains
Another bo staff spinner, Lordtains, deals more with finger rolls than any other.

Channel link (http://www.youtube.com/user/lordtains)


Saberproject
Saberproject has been around for a while. Most of what they do seems to be choreography and performances. Recently though, they have released some tutorials on various flips, spins, and combos for different weapons. The design is pretty straightforward with moves shown once from different angles and in slow motion.

Playlist links (http://www.youtube.com/user/saberproject/playlists?sort=dd&view=50&shelf_id=7)


End note
Hopefully these tutorial resources help. Please feel free to post others you find, ask questions, post your own, make suggestions, etc. Happy sabering.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Nowhere on February 20, 2015, 01:06:45 AM
This is great, thanks!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Dauntless Seven on February 20, 2015, 01:40:39 AM
Simply awesome DC.  Sure hope this entices more members to check the tutorials out.  What a great way to learn (for free) from the forum experts and others in the saber community.  Well deserved point awarded.  8)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Venturous on February 20, 2015, 02:43:05 AM
I'm really glad this sub-forum was started. It makes it really easy for people to find the non-combative stuff all condensed down into one place.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: James Casey on February 20, 2015, 12:42:24 PM
Very cool, I'll definitely be looking into these :)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: JediXIX on February 21, 2015, 03:18:50 AM
I'm really glad this sub-forum was started. It makes it really easy for people to find the non-combative stuff all condensed down into one place.

Exactly what I wanted to say... Dark side points to you Darth Cephalus...


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: DARTH CH3M15T on February 22, 2015, 02:16:14 AM
This is epic. I've been inactive since the weather is cold and wet but its starting to brighten up lately. I've been thinking of things to  do and try when i can get out and film.  Invested in some cricket gloves and protective masks to duel with. having a manliest bloke olympics for my 30th birthday. 3rd year running of the games but not always on my birthday. Basicly loads of silly games throughout the day starting with pint downing everytime. games like beerio kart 64, beer pong, jenga, swingball, shooting, and so on.gold silver and bronze medals for each event. This year 16 events. One of them is lightsaber duels and there could be up to 20 of us. so i might get some footage of that. anyways bit of a tangent. Speak to you all soon as i'll make a bit more effort to drop by.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Noctis on February 22, 2015, 05:38:43 AM
I do jo staff work and SO much of what I do just transitioned right into this.  I'm ridiculously pleased that all of my crazy staff work (the stuff I don't teach, but do in my backyard when no one is looking) has been some kind of weird prep for saber spins.   I'm so amused.

Thank you for these videos!  I'm going to be outside all night now lol.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Ultoria Kade on March 13, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Utterly awesome! I'm definitely referencing this in the future and a point gladly awarded.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Ultoria Kade on March 14, 2015, 04:57:54 PM
Awesome tutorials! Thank you for all the reccomendations. I've been looking, and have started to practice for..a long time. Master Venterous does awesome spinning videos as well.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Venturous on March 14, 2015, 06:49:55 PM
Awesome tutorials! Thank you for all the reccomendations. I've been looking, and have started to practice for..a long time. Master Venterous does awesome spinning videos as well.

Many thanks :)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Ultoria Kade on March 14, 2015, 10:50:44 PM
Many thanks :)

More thanks to you. You've helped me quite a lot with saber spinning, just going through the lessons now.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Qui-Lar on March 14, 2015, 11:49:28 PM
Thanks for putting these up


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on March 15, 2015, 05:39:09 AM
Thanks for putting these up

No problem. Glad they helped and feel free to post other good ones if you find them.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: SamVonAwesome on May 13, 2015, 04:26:57 AM
Hey guys, does anyone have any tips to save your wrists from getting sore?


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Venturous on May 13, 2015, 06:19:26 AM
Hey guys, does anyone have any tips to save your wrists from getting sore?

Takes things slow and don't try to go too fast too soon. There are also a lot of wrist flexibility exercises you can do to limber your wrists up before each practice session.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: SamVonAwesome on May 14, 2015, 04:28:50 AM
Thanks for the tips!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: wargame_insomniac on June 21, 2015, 03:57:46 PM
Just wanted to say thanks to Darth Nonymous, Master Venturous and Darth Cephalus .
Have learned something new from each of their videos, however basic.
Every little snippet and suggestion helps.

Cheers

James


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on June 22, 2015, 02:52:53 AM
Glad they helped; that is what they are here for.


Title: Re:
Post by: wargame_insomniac on June 22, 2015, 07:29:56 PM
:)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Bekkar Aman on July 14, 2015, 09:29:27 PM
I can't wait to try this stuff out when I get my Archon.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: JDScholler on July 15, 2015, 07:02:09 AM
Darth Cephalus, Preceptor of Spin, Wielder of blades,

Thank you and all other contributors for these videos.  I must ask: Is that an Elder Sign I see in your sigil?


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on July 16, 2015, 12:32:07 AM
Darth Cephalus, Preceptor of Spin, Wielder of blades,

Thank you and all other contributors for these videos.  I must ask: Is that an Elder Sign I see in your sigil?

Yep. It keeps those who lurk in the spaces between spaces from interfering with my saber work ;)
Point for recognizing it.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: bigBear on September 02, 2015, 06:22:12 AM
great tutorials....be putting them to use


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Jacyn Snow on October 23, 2015, 05:25:05 AM
thanks i plan on watching all of these and hopefuly mastering them.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: xX FUNKYFLUMP on December 31, 2015, 12:48:58 PM
these tutorials are awesome. I gave you a darkside point. you are really good at explaining the moves and making them as basic as possible to understand  :)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Spades on December 31, 2015, 01:31:26 PM
Thank you for this, I have to bookmark this for later.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on January 02, 2016, 10:00:52 PM
Thank you for this, I have to bookmark this for later.


No problem. Out of curiosity, you wouldn't happen to be the same Spades who does the fire spinning would you?


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Spades on January 02, 2016, 10:07:45 PM
No problem. Out of curiosity, you wouldn't happen to be the same Spades who does the fire spinning would you?

no thats not me, or i am not him. but that sounds like an entertaining way to make money


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on January 02, 2016, 10:33:19 PM
I don't know about making a living but it is certainly fun to do. There is a lot more potential for hair loss though than there is with a lightsaber. Figured I would check. In a community like this, you never know who you will run into.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: DarthVyral on January 10, 2016, 09:16:40 PM
Nicely done with with the Jar'Kai segments Darth Cephalus. I do like the spinning. It has given me some inspiration not just in artistry of dual wielding but also in the combat aspect as well.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Weinstein on January 12, 2016, 08:36:01 PM
So glad I found this thread! Thanks for terrific tutorials, Darth Cephalus. I got my first saber in November and I'm excited to develop my skills. I'm making progress by practicing the lessons in your videos.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on January 13, 2016, 05:11:23 AM
Thank you Vyral and Weinstein. Glad they helped. One of these days I will get around to redoing some of those (particularly the series on flips and rolls) and maybe even finish the last few videos of the Jar'kai series. Having a one year old is taking much of my time lately. Maybe when he is old enough to spin sabers with his dad.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: DarthScrub on January 16, 2016, 07:01:37 PM
The spinning videos are awesome! Just now starting to get into spinning, but for the life of me I can not get down the Obi-Ani spin


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: DarthVyral on January 16, 2016, 07:51:34 PM
The spinning videos are awesome! Just now starting to get into spinning, but for the life of me I can not get down the Obi-Ani spin

I am sure you can get it down my Sith brother. Practice makes perfect after all.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: DarthScrub on January 16, 2016, 09:04:52 PM
I am sure you can get it down my Sith brother. Practice makes perfect after all.

I'll look at different videos for a slower and more detailed explanation, cause I'm just not getting it with this tutorial. Not that this tutorial isn't awesome! I'm thinking the saber I'm using is also probably just too long to do it with


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: DarthVyral on January 16, 2016, 09:24:04 PM
I'll look at different videos for a slower and more detailed explanation, cause I'm just not getting it with this tutorial. Not that this tutorial isn't awesome! I'm thinking the saber I'm using is also probably just too long to do it with

You could be right on that but could never know for sure until you watch more videos and keep practicing. I know you can do it. Just takes more experience.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on January 17, 2016, 05:50:09 AM
I'll look at different videos for a slower and more detailed explanation, cause I'm just not getting it with this tutorial. Not that this tutorial isn't awesome! I'm thinking the saber I'm using is also probably just too long to do it with

If mine is not working for you, I suggest also viewing the one from Venturous here
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFEq69Dx_jw
Or some of the stuff from TPLA here
(they call it an eclipse orbit)
www.youtube.com/channel/UCN3IsywwpbvOMkkCD2TFMAA
It should not matter how long the saber is as you can do this spin with a staff. Just keep at it and you will pick it up. This spin is the biggest hurdle. It takes time, but once you get it, you will wonder why it ever gave you trouble.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on January 17, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
First off wanted to mention i like all the videos Darth Cephalus, nicely done. When i teach students how to get more of a high scoop for single arm spinning i like to start them off with a short staff and have them go through some side to side " Pinky/thumb " U's. Commonly done infront of people as a figure 8. From there we go to the behind the back spin, which is essentially a single arm spin with a transition in the front and in the back. Again very nice sir!

Sam, i think we need just a little more details as for your soreness. If we could see what and how you are doing things tips could be thrown your way. Also, what saber are you working with if one? Weight can be an issue if you are new to spinning/combat spinning. ( yes, there is a difference  ;D )


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: DarthScrub on January 18, 2016, 07:10:51 PM
I think I got the Obi-Ani down, it's just really sloppy. But hopefully with more practice, it'll become more fluid and I can go faster at it. It just feels like my shoulder locks up on the third spin when I'm bringing the saber from my back to across my side


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on January 19, 2016, 01:51:00 AM
It does start out a bit sloppy. Just remember to throw your shoulder forward and pivot a bit as you pull the saber back to the front.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: DarthScrub on January 19, 2016, 02:20:01 AM
Will try that, thanks!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Venturous on January 19, 2016, 10:27:35 PM
I think I got the Obi-Ani down, it's just really sloppy. But hopefully with more practice, it'll become more fluid and I can go faster at it. It just feels like my shoulder locks up on the third spin when I'm bringing the saber from my back to across my side

A common mistake with this move that makes the shoulder hurt is pulling the saber too far out to the front when bringing it back to the front. I see a lot of people do it to try and make sure the blade passes around the hip, but it puts extra strain on the shoulder. The way to avoid doing that is to think about rotating the pommel/blade vertically around the hip instead of rotating it horizontally around the hip. The keeps the saber and the blade closer to the body as it comes back to the front and it also takes the tension off the shoulder.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on February 14, 2016, 05:31:19 PM
Figured this is where this video belongs. I believe Master Venturous and Darth Cephalus may have covered this but i had some people ask me how i do it. Very basic standard 8 to reverse 8 transition that can build into moving around with the lightsaber. As some of you know, i prefer to change direction with the behind the back spin (blade barrier). Anyway, enjoy.

https://youtu.be/V849nDtODq8


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on March 05, 2016, 08:29:45 PM
Had some questions about drills. Hope this helps.

http://youtu.be/mureVf2SDuU


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Fireborn on March 17, 2016, 04:03:54 PM
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread. I'm 39 and wanted to try something new in life. Lightsaber spinning? Why the heck not! I found this thread and started practicing with some old pvc pipe. I'm pretty lousy but its fun. I'm excited to say my Ultrasabers stunt sabers arrive tomorrow!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on March 18, 2016, 12:22:33 AM
Welcome fireborn. As a late started myself, I can empathize. I found when learning that the best thing was to have a place I could ask questions and get tips to make it past the hurdles. If you have need of such a thing, there are a few of us around who can try to field them. Do not hesitate to ask. Good luck and happy sabering.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on March 29, 2016, 01:24:30 PM
It can be great exercise as well. More fun than anything. You've definitely come to the right place if you have any questions.

P.s. - still here my friends, lurking In the shadows  ;D


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Fireborn on March 29, 2016, 08:23:23 PM
I have a couple questions guys. I'm currently using two different heavy grade blades (36 and 32 inch). Do most of you practice with heavy or midgrade?  Is it worth purchasing a midgrade or should I stick with the heavy? I am super slow and whenever I try to speed up I darn near knock myself out with the blade. I've whacked myself in the back of the head twice while working on the obi ani.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on March 29, 2016, 09:16:12 PM
I have a couple questions guys. I'm currently using two different heavy grade blades (36 and 32 inch). Do most of you practice with heavy or midgrade?  Is it worth purchasing a midgrade or should I stick with the heavy? I am super slow and whenever I try to speed up I darn near knock myself out with the blade. I've whacked myself in the back of the head twice while working on the obi ani.
It does make a big difference. I did a video demo a bit over a year ago that shows different blade lengths and grades in action. It is here
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqEi5wDd6OU
Mostly you want blades that suit your purpose. If you will be doing flips, you want midgrade blades as it shifts the point of balance into the hilt. If you want speed, work with shorter blades. Less blade equals less drag. Heavy blades are mostly good for dueling unless you prefer wide orbits and don't mind slowing down. I have recently started working with them again because I am trying out some hands free contact work spinning one blade around another and needed the point of balance out on the blade rather than the hilt to do it.
The short answer though is if you are going to spend any time spinning, you should probably have some midgrade blades.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Fireborn on March 29, 2016, 09:49:42 PM
Thanks for the advice. I'll be getting a midgrade blade (or 2) I also enjoyed watching your video. I ended up watching another video right after called "Tiger Echo." Dang, that was sweet!



Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on March 29, 2016, 10:31:57 PM
Thanks. That was an experiment with the echo feature on Aftereffects. I may offer that as an option for contributors to the year end montage this year. For the record, that was a heavy grade blade I was spinning in that video. When I turn with it, you can see the point of rotation is naturally about 3 inches above the hilt and that is only because I use a really heavy pommel. 


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Rathayatra on May 11, 2016, 03:06:25 PM
these  are great teaching videos.  i cannot wait to get my sabers.  2 Initiates coming--- but i think i will also need a saber with a larger hilt. (hooray) The points you desire are given.    Thank You.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Rathayatra on May 13, 2016, 03:13:17 PM
cannot wait to get started. Thanks for these videos.  The points you desire -- given.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Stilgar on May 14, 2016, 11:00:47 AM
Thank You so much for all the effort to make these tutorials, Lord Cephalus!

This really helps me tremendously in getting a bit of experience and getting more comfortable with my first Lightsaber.
I must admit, the Obi-Ani was tricky - especially with a hilt as long as my Dark Sentinel and my 36" blade, but i'm slowly getting the gist of the movements right.

Now i'm off back to practice my swings and twirls. Let's see when the Plum Blossom will bloom over here.  ;)

Hope everyone has a fantastic Weekend!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Vervidian on August 10, 2016, 09:54:32 PM
Now that we have a place for spinning, I thought it would be good to get all of the resources in one place. The following tutorial links all deal with saber spinning or flourishes as a non combat art. We see these in the movies used to block blaster fire, but while they can be used in combat or choreography, they present no strategic advantage. These moves are all about the flash.
End note
Hopefully these tutorial resources help. Please feel free to post others you find, ask questions, post your own, make suggestions, etc. Happy sabering.


Hi Darth Cephalus - The thinking Sith's Darth!  (I assume the name is derived from the root word for 'head')

Thanks for the great tutorials, I watched the first and will go back for more when I have time!

Master Vervidian
Jedi Sentinel



Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on August 24, 2016, 05:47:16 AM
Hi Darth Cephalus - The thinking Sith's Darth!  (I assume the name is derived from the root word for 'head')

Thanks for the great tutorials, I watched the first and will go back for more when I have time!

Master Vervidian
Jedi Sentinel


Glad you find them of use Vervidian. They are a bit old. Actually, I am working on a project that may have me redoing all of them and adding to them in the not too distant future. As to the name, your reading is correct. It also has the dual purpose of being a reference to a cephalopod in homage to my extreme Lovecraftean leanings.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on January 25, 2017, 04:13:29 AM
Man it has been a while since I got back on the tutorial train. This one is a sort of palate cleanser to ease me back in. As I was test driving my new crossguard, I got to wondering what could be done with it. After a bit of poking and prodding, I shot a brief video on adapting to it and what moves were easy to do, which were hard, and which were very hard. I even threw in a couple quick ones that really only look good with a crossguard. I did not cover finger rolls. This was an oversight. I can tell you though that they go in the very hard section. www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wdzvl5Pkm8


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Taegin Roan on January 25, 2017, 04:25:44 AM
Very nice, I think this might be the first instructional video I have watched from you. Very good.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on January 25, 2017, 04:33:26 AM
Very nice, I think this might be the first instructional video I have watched from you. Very good.
You can expect several more going forward. I am taking on a primer to Niman as a non-martial flow art.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Taegin Roan on January 25, 2017, 04:42:00 AM
You can expect several more going forward. I am taking on a primer to Niman as a non-martial flow art.

I can't wait. I should really start practicing a little bit more than I do.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on February 04, 2017, 12:36:55 AM
Here we go. Plum Blossom Basics. Had some people message me through my youtube account and I figured it had to come from here. ( I unlist a lot of my vid's so they are just for the U.S. community. )

Anyone of you familiar with JKD know about the progressive indirect attack...which is about the ONLY time I would actually use a technique like this. Long story short, I started as a MeiHuaQuan student for the first 18...ish...years and was a practitioner of the staff/spear. This system is considered Wushu. One day I happened upon JKD/Kali and everything changed....my box was no longer a box. I tried using my MHQ and the JKD/Kali system ( Lee/Inosanto ) beat me up pretty bad. " The way of no way. " Changed my life! Thought I'd share that personal bit of info since I'm becoming pretty good friends with a lot of the community. Hope you enjoy.

Edit - I let youtube stabilize the video and it made it zoom in and out....never again...
Double Edit - Fixed the stabilization problem...
http://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=1CPa_6baMMs


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Taegin Roan on February 04, 2017, 01:01:17 AM
Here we go. Plum Blossom Basics. Had some people message me through my youtube account and I figured it had to come from here. ( I unlist a lot of my vid's so they are just for the U.S. community. )

Anyone of you familiar with JKD know about the progressive indirect attack...which is about the ONLY time I would actually use a technique like this. Long story short, I started as a MeiHuaQuan student for the first 18...ish...years and was a practitioner of the staff/spear. This system is considered Wushu. One day I happened upon JKD/Kali and everything changed....my box was no longer a box. I tried using my MHQ and the JKD/Kali system ( Lee/Inosanto ) beat me up pretty bad. " The way of no way. " Changed my life! Thought I'd share that personal bit of info since I'm becoming pretty good friends with a lot of the community. Hope you enjoy.

Edit - I let youtube stabilize the video and it made it zoom in and out....never again...

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ag0Zx9W3sY[/url]


That was awesome. I don't currently have my saber, or else I would be trying all these things. I watched the whole video, and I'm glad I did (my attention span can be pretty long if I am interested in something), because I actually learned things that I can incorperate into anything that I do, so thank you. That was very cool.

Point to you


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on February 04, 2017, 01:37:57 AM
thanks! I deleted the previous vid and replaced it with the same vid because the youtube " stabilization " is absolutely terrible. Here is the new link. Sorry for the double post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CPa_6baMMs


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: tomfoyle on February 04, 2017, 11:31:51 AM
I deleted the previous vid and replaced it with the same vid because the youtube " stabilization " is absolutely terrible. Here is the new link. Sorry for the double post.

Haha yeah I've noticed this before with saber vids. I'm not surprised that an intense spinning light against a dark background causes YouTube to get confused!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Skorien on February 14, 2017, 05:27:15 AM
I cannot for the life of me get the Obi-Ani down. I can do figure 8s all day but I keep getting stuck when trying to bring the saber forward again >.<


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Lord Bladewraith on February 14, 2017, 07:00:08 AM
I cannot for the life of me get the Obi-Ani down. I can do figure 8s all day but I keep getting stuck when trying to bring the saber forward again >.<
You're not alone. I'm having trouble after bringing it forward and flowing back to the starting position to initiate another swing behind my back. Still feeling awkward and lacking fluidity.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on February 14, 2017, 02:14:43 PM
A couple people have tutorials with sabers breaking it down, if you go to my channel, you'll find my own version under the " Staff Spin Zone " section where I break it into parts. You'll have a breakthrough moment when you get it. Love those moments. Keep,training, time + consistency = success.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Skorien on February 14, 2017, 06:34:29 PM
A couple people have tutorials with sabers breaking it down, if you go to my channel, you'll find my own version under the " Staff Spin Zone " section where I break it into parts. You'll have a breakthrough moment when you get it. Love those moments. Keep,training, time + consistency = success.

I'm going to go take a look right now, something has gotta give. Hopefully your tutorial helps!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on February 14, 2017, 09:34:57 PM
I am going to see about updating my video on this move today. I shot the one for figure 8s last night. I was going to do one on strikes, one on walking with spins, and one on the clock face spin first but I will have it jump the line since there is a need.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Venturous on February 15, 2017, 12:56:18 AM
The very first post of this thread is full of resources dedicated to learning moves like that. Have a look through them and hopefully they will help.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Skorien on February 15, 2017, 04:09:21 AM
Well after as decent amount of time trying this particular move,  I have come to the conclusion that I can do some sort of half assed form of obi-ani,  however I don't think I have enough dexterity in my wrist to make it look good.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on February 15, 2017, 04:16:42 AM
Well after as decent amount of time trying this particular move,  I have come to the conclusion that I can do some sort of half assed form of obi-ani,  however I don't think I have enough dexterity in my wrist to make it look good.

keep at it and if your feeling it in the wrist you need to loosen up a little more. That's going to come mostly from tension. ( unless of course you practiced for more than an hour or so and how heavy your saber is. ) work both sides as well. It can help with the learning curve.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Skorien on February 15, 2017, 04:23:30 AM
I understand the motions needed to execute it correctly,  but my wrist doesn't seem to allow me to do the back to front part fluidly


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Taegin Roan on February 15, 2017, 05:13:25 AM
I don't know that I know how to do the obi-ani, or even what it looks like, but from just practicing with anything and everything all my life, I find that I have a fairly easy time spinning. Even with my left hand. When I got my saber I only ever used my right, but eventually I started training with my left, and now it is almost as good as my right. Granted, neither of them are very good compared to most the people here.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on February 15, 2017, 05:29:56 AM
Just shot a new version of the first few tutorials. They cover figure 8s, basic strikes, walking, clock face spins, spin strikes, the obi-ani, and the plumb flower. 7 videos in all in the first set. There are still images I want to add to them that I will take tomorrow night. Might not get the first of them edited and uploaded until the weekend. Still back on the horse though. In the meantime, the run down of the behind the back part of the obi-ani is hold the saber tight with your hand to your side and the blade behind your back and pointing left. rotate your hand so that the blade is pointing behind you and your knuckles are on your hip in what I call a peter pan pose. Side your hand towards your navel until it looks like you are punching yourself in the gut. At this point, the blade will be pointing right. Bring your hand up to your face in an arc until the back of your hand is on your forehead. The blade will be pointing left. Bring the blade back down to ready. Get the movement and then loosen your grip a bit. As you loosen your grip, you can move your hand farther from your body.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Skorien on February 16, 2017, 04:09:02 AM
Just shot a new version of the first few tutorials. They cover figure 8s, basic strikes, walking, clock face spins, spin strikes, the obi-ani, and the plumb flower. 7 videos in all in the first set. There are still images I want to add to them that I will take tomorrow night. Might not get the first of them edited and uploaded until the weekend. Still back on the horse though. In the meantime, the run down of the behind the back part of the obi-ani is hold the saber tight with your hand to your side and the blade behind your back and pointing left. rotate your hand so that the blade is pointing behind you and your knuckles are on your hip in what I call a peter pan pose. Side your hand towards your navel until it looks like you are punching yourself in the gut. At this point, the blade will be pointing right. Bring your hand up to your face in an arc until the back of your hand is on your forehead. The blade will be pointing left. Bring the blade back down to ready. Get the movement and then loosen your grip a bit. As you loosen your grip, you can move your hand farther from your body.

Holy Christ this makes a huge difference. As soon as I read this something clicked and I am able to do it much more fluidly than I was before ( still some difficulty while trying to go faster, but improving slowly ) Thank You Cephalus


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on February 16, 2017, 04:11:30 AM
This is a quick one I am going to edit and use in another tutorial, but I am putting it out by itself a bit early because there was interest. It is a slow and step by step example of the obi-ani or eclipse spin from the front, the side, and the back. When I put this in the video, I will talk people through it. It should show you though, what I was talking about in my last post.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYQawq4zv0o


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on February 17, 2017, 03:37:21 AM
The first few are up ahead of schedule
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY35V3hZP7c
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zyaoBfE-pU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOdt9LSRrbM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-myHeYi3-U
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNM-n0uS7cA


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Venturous on February 17, 2017, 04:19:40 AM
These videos are like potato chips, you can't have just one.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on February 17, 2017, 05:10:29 AM
Then how about one more? Then I will call it for the day
This video deals with one of the harder spins for people to learn: the Obi-Ani spin, which is also called an Eclipse spin or a shoulder roll spin. Following the video, there is a close-up and step by step of the move from the front, side, and back.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk7hHBY8AgE


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Taegin Roan on February 17, 2017, 05:26:32 AM
Then how about one more? Then I will call it for the day
This video deals with one of the harder spins for people to learn: the Obi-Ani spin, which is also called an Eclipse spin or a shoulder roll spin. Following the video, there is a close-up and step by step of the move from the front, side, and back.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk7hHBY8AgE

It doesn't work :'( :'(

I watched all of your other ones, then I saw that you posted this one. But either there is something wrong with my computer, or else there is something wrong with the video. Either way, I cant watch it.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on February 17, 2017, 05:38:35 AM
It doesn't work :'( :'(

I watched all of your other ones, then I saw that you posted this one. But either there is something wrong with my computer, or else there is something wrong with the video. Either way, I cant watch it.
Video is still processing. My status bar says 3 minutes.
Update: Try it now.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Taegin Roan on February 17, 2017, 05:48:41 AM
Video is still processing. My status bar says 3 minutes.
Update: Try it now.

Yep works now. Thanks. I didn't know that was the Obi-Ani, but that's cool, because I already could do it. I'm not as adept at using my left hand, but I can usually do it okay with my left as well. Thanks for posting it.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on February 18, 2017, 03:30:33 AM
Next one. This video expands on the Obi-Ani or Eclipse spin from the last part and adds a halo strike to create a finishing move or a change of direction.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VqcznVjROw


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on February 18, 2017, 04:14:42 AM
This is the final video in the first set. It deals with plum flower or plum blossom spin and covers using the obi-ani to turn around while walking.  The next set will begin with a consolidation of these moves into a routine, a bit of Niman theory, and then move on to other moves.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=v56vl_1PkR8


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Taegin Roan on February 18, 2017, 04:50:45 AM
I think I am starting to figure out how to make myself do the Clock Face spin. I'm having trouble when going from 9 to 12, but I think I'm starting to get it.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Venturous on February 18, 2017, 07:23:40 AM
I will throw this in here in relation to one of the last couple videos Darth Cephalus posted for anyone still having issues learning the Obi-Ani move. This is a trick I discovered to help people learn the feeling of the move and its counterpart, the reverse Obi-Ani and how to get the moves flowing smoothly.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcieFiTd2nk


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on February 18, 2017, 05:01:01 PM
Just got through your material Cephalus, looking good. Like the re-vamped work. Point per tutorial....

Good thinking with that tutorial Venturous. Very similar approach to how a MHQ student would learn the blossom's. well earned point.

Out of curiosity, I'm still mastering the QRC but I have 3 techniques down to almost perfection. Anyone interested in a Quick Release Saberstaff tutorial?


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Taegin Roan on February 18, 2017, 07:49:32 PM
Out of curiosity, I'm still mastering the QRC but I have 3 techniques down to almost perfection. Anyone interested in a Quick Release Saberstaff tutorial?

Yeah. I guess I don't have a staff yet, or a QR coupler, but I'd still be interested for when I do get it all.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on February 24, 2017, 05:11:21 AM
And here is the last one in the set. This short routine combines the elements from all 8 videos in set 1. In this video, I walk you through it step by step. We will expand on this with later sets.
Lightsaber Use: Set1, Consolidation Routine
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vgIKCmd6Vs


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Taegin Roan on February 24, 2017, 05:52:12 AM
And here is the last one in the set. This short routine combines the elements from all 8 videos in set 1. In this video, I walk you through it step by step. We will expand on this with later sets.
Lightsaber Use: Set1, Consolidation Routine

I think this one will take me a little bit longer to master. But I think I can get it. Thanks for doing these.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Skorien on March 01, 2017, 05:20:25 AM
I was originally away on vacation when you put these up, but I definitely wanna say they are amazingly helpful. I'm still having a little trouble with the Obi-Ani but I'm getting there. Anyways, keep up the good work!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on March 12, 2017, 03:19:11 AM
This is the second set of tutorials in the reboot series. The key phrase for this one is complicating things. This set grafts martial elements on top of the basic flow from set one and brings the off hand into play. It also covers a bit more footwork and reverse grip. As will all sets in this series, it begins with theory and ends with practice, concluding with a move set that modifies the one in the first set and ties together all the elements of the second set into a short capstone routine.

The first is a theory video on the 7 forms
I posted this earlier so will leave it off of here

Lightsaber Use: Set 2. Part 1- Pivot Steps
www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-wEyOe3E9s

Lightsaber Use: Set 2. Part 2- Blocks & Wards
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyg2SiCKHVU

Lightsaber Use: Set 2. Part 3- Thrusts & Lunges
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnL2z3odRuc

Lightsaber Use: Set 2. Part 4- Reverse Grip
www.youtube.com/watch?v=InE8C4d4rGE

Lightsaber Use: Set 2. Part 5- Hand Switch
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGW1ZSkAeT0

Lightsaber Use: Set 2. Part 6- Splitting the Clockface
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmObEmaQvfQ

Lightsaber Use: Set 2. Part 7- Splitting the Plum Flower
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVwT771TOoc

Lightsaber Use: Set 2, Consolidation
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfkVBlIKTvE


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Grey Jedi Sam Adam on April 12, 2017, 02:28:34 AM
And here is the last one in the set. This short routine combines the elements from all 8 videos in set 1. In this video, I walk you through it step by step. We will expand on this with later sets.
Lightsaber Use: Set1, Consolidation Routine

Hey Darth Cephalus,
Just wanted to give you a shout out about your tutorials.I started studying them about a year ago and I feel that I have come very far and have learned so much. You are a great teacher! I now am passing on the basics to my padawan daughter who is doing very well and showing great promise. I will continue on to more of your intermediate teachings and master those long before I even think of your advanced courses, but wanted know if you could suggest a style of gloves to me. I spin my saber bare handed for now but am also constructing a "gray jedi" costume and would like to have gloves as part of the attire but gloves seem to disable my flow, if that makes any since. I look forward to hearing from you and may the force be with you.
Your student, Gray Jedi Sam Adam


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on April 12, 2017, 03:25:16 AM
Hey Sam. I am glad you have been finding them of use. The thing with light sabers is so few people have the sticktoiness to progress to the interesting stuff. You sound like you are in it for the long haul, especially since you are turning around and teaching them to your Padawan. I have to say, trying to explain the techniques to others really helps you get a better handle on them too. As for gloves, I suggest either thin stretch gloves like spandex or isatoners. If you want thinker gloves or leather, go fingerless. It makes a world of difference with control of the blade. I use fingerless leather ridgeback gauntlets from Verillas myself.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Grey Jedi Sam Adam on April 12, 2017, 10:54:48 PM
Hey Sam. I am glad you have been finding them of use. The thing with light sabers is so few people have the sticktoiness to progress to the interesting stuff. You sound like you are in it for the long haul, especially since you are turning around and teaching them to your Padawan. I have to say, trying to explain the techniques to others really helps you get a better handle on them too. As for gloves, I suggest either thin stretch gloves like spandex or isatoners. If you want thinker gloves or leather, go fingerless. It makes a world of difference with control of the blade. I use fingerless leather ridgeback gauntlets from Verillas myself.

Thanks for the pointers on the gloves Darth Cephalus. When I get enough confidence to do so, I will post a video to show my progress along with the my padawan, when she is ready to do so. Appreciate what you do brother. It is truly an art form that should be respected.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: FloatingBarron on May 10, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
great series, thanks for sharing!

all combat sabers with heavy blades, all the time
thanks for making a product that meets our demands U. S. !

 ;)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on May 22, 2017, 01:46:51 AM
And set 3 is ready. I have not finished the routine yet, but these are the tutorials. This set ended up a bit longer than the others. The theme is modification.

Lightsaber Use: Set 3. part 1- Behind the Back Switches
This video deals with the idea of working behind your back. This builds on the other 2 sets and follows the idea of modifying moves and changing where you do them relative to your body.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wb93Y3YjFg

Lightsaber Use: Set 3. part 2- Building the Blade Barrier: First Steps
This video deals with the first steps to building a move called the blade barrier. Specifically it looks at 2 and 3 beat moves behind the back. The first set in this series may be seen here.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa-Lw70s9ew

Lightsaber Use: Set 3. part 3- Building the Blade Barrier: Final Steps
This video deals with the final steps to building a move called the blade barrier. Specifically it looks at a full behind the back clock face spin (4 beats) and the blade barrier itself (5 beats).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2uNWQV6c5M

Lightsaber Use: Set 3. part 4- Horizontal Plane
This video deals with the horizontal plane, getting around the body, and cloud spins.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnuGmkGVTq0

Lightsaber Use: Set 3. part 5- Cross or X Step & Combo
This video deals with a new element of footworc called cross steps, X steps, or coiled steps. It also discusses low strikes and a combo that combines the two.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ6X4GF7hgM

Lightsaber Use: Set 3. part 6- Orbit Guards
This video deals with orbits or orbits guards. This is alternately referred to as the third orbit.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5Ps7iGDnMA

Lightsaber Use: Set 3. part 7- Bent Plum Flower Spin
This video introduces the idea of the forward plane and uses it to isolate the plum flower spin closer to one side of the body. This will eventually allow dual wield plumb flowers. 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlO5hiUlmDs

Lightsaber Use: Set 3. part 8- Building the Wing Spin: Over the Shoulder
This video begins to work on the wing spin by turning the obi/ani spin from set 1 upside down into an over the shoulder spin.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQMtUsS-Wqs

Lightsaber Use: Set 3. part 9- Building the Wing Spin: Putting it Together
This video finishes work on the wing spin by combining the obi/ani spin with the over the shoulder spin into a 5 beat move on one side of the body.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B0Cc1SamiA

Lightsaber Use: Set 3. part 10- Reverse Eclipse Spin
This video goes back and looks at how to do the eclipse or obi/ani spin fully in reverse. It includes some tips for not throwing out your shoulder.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pQWx1MFj38

Lightsaber Use: Set 3. part 11- Reverse Plum Flower
This video uses the idea of reversing things from the last video and applies it to the full plum flower spin.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYj1ACeOh3o

Lightsaber Use: Set 3. part 12- Reverse Wing Spin
This video uses the idea of reversing things from the last two videos and applies it to the wing spin.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpAGJQrppUA


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Medwyn on May 22, 2017, 10:09:54 AM
Such a comprehensive set of tutorials, Master Cephalus, very helpful!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Jediseth on May 23, 2017, 05:47:13 PM
Great demonstration, wonderful job D.C.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on October 26, 2017, 04:44:13 PM
QRC tutorial # 1 - night time edition  ;D ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IDQvuXXFVU


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Venturous on October 28, 2017, 06:15:53 PM
One thing I've always loved about this forum is seeing all the innovating things Ultrasabers comes out with, like the quick release. The other thing I love is seeing the innovative ways people use those things and how they enhance their own styles with them. The modification you did to the QR is so subtle, yet so much better in my opinion. Being able to release from anywhere on the grip makes it so much easier and cleaner when spinning.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on October 30, 2017, 05:15:26 AM
Now if I can just smooth out the reconnect. I have two solid methods. Body movement and " Elbow Position " but both have a mediocre success rate when you begin to spin at speed.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Decoder115 on November 22, 2017, 04:47:13 AM
Thank you Masters, for teaching this new padawan the basics, so I can Begin to find my own master.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Jovvi on December 04, 2017, 07:24:48 PM
These videos are like potato chips, you can't have just one.

I couldn't agree more.  @Dark Cephalus these are amazing.  I'm working on my upward and downward figure 8's right now.  Right hand coming along - left hand a little clunky.  Haven't gotten the Obi-Ani yet however with these great tutorials I'll get there.  I'm Jovvi "The Old Broad with a Dog" so finding these good for movement, coordination and just general all round fun.  You're demo's are really great.  Thank you!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Venturous on December 28, 2017, 08:24:13 AM
Quick tutorial for all the staffers out there of a move adapted from a nunchaku move. It can be thrown in with any routine or free flow to switch up the timing or as a little flare to keep attention.





www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmLL9HrRrgg&t=1s


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: ForceAcolyteOrdo on January 04, 2018, 10:21:33 PM
Game changer. New spinner here waiting for my very first sabers to come in next week (hopefully) and this thread is SICK! I've just been watching amateur videos on YouTube and never came across Cephalus' things. This is awesome.

Thank you all for tips you post! I FEEL LIKE IM HOME, YAAAAASSS!!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Saso Is-kor on January 21, 2018, 09:28:35 PM
I want to thank you Darth Cephalus for these tutorials. I'm slowly working my way through them and am getting better by the day from drilling your practice techniques.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Diesel on January 22, 2018, 03:00:06 AM
Great videos


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Hostile 17 on February 14, 2018, 03:14:27 PM
Amazing stuff. Looking forward to trying most of this out!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Gar-Wi Musan on March 03, 2018, 11:24:39 PM
 Excellent. Darth Cephalus is like the Bob Ross of teaching saber techniques. I could watch just to relax. But I just got a saber so lets do this!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Gar-Wi Musan on March 18, 2018, 04:50:21 AM
Takes things slow and don't try to go too fast too soon. There are also a lot of wrist flexibility exercises you can do to limber your wrists up before each practice session.

As someone with carpal tunnel, general chronic spinal arthritis Bulging discs and Repetitive stress disorders and nerve damage for the last 20 years, Please listen to your friend Venturous. When you think you are comfortably slow, cut that in half with a focus on every spin and Obi -Ani (I really Preferr the term Eclipse Spin) going straight, down or across an imaginary opponent untill every swing and strike naturaly hits those marks. as if you were striking yourself about 3 or 4 feet away. Use a mirror if you can. Slow and controlled will always look and feel better than fast period in my opinion. I personally would recomend not stretching very lon, but moving around and warming up. Just my personal opinion. Have fun Brother.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on March 21, 2018, 04:23:05 AM
Finally finished set 3. I don't know if I like this format better, but I will be using a drone for set 4, so switching the format anyways.
This routine uses elements from all 12 videos in set to form a new routine. It can be added to the set one and set two routine.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDGNWed8WQ8


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Gar-Wi Musan on March 21, 2018, 09:32:11 AM
Finally finished set 3. I don't know if I like this format better, but I will be using a drone for set 4, so switching the format anyways.
This routine uses elements from all 12 videos in set to form a new routine. It can be added to the set one and set two routine.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDGNWed8WQ8

 I love the foot work! That step with one leg behind the other is super stylish and reminds me of doing a stepping side kick.
If you don't mind, I would like to try and work that in to my stuff with a left leg behind the right, to a right leg side kick with a saber thrust to the left.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Samhain138 on March 22, 2018, 04:25:19 AM
*edit*
Posted in the wrong spot by accident.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on April 14, 2018, 12:43:40 AM
Staying real busy training. Our members have grown to 65 and they want content. Luckily, I send them here.

This is a crash course tutorial video I made for the J.o.E. LSC ( go Joe! ). Figured I would share it with the community. For those that already understand the basics, skip to the end. I put an intermediate MeiHuaQuan Staff Drill in there. The wind/airplanes/dogs were not an issue after the song ends. Hope you enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOSykeKDc48&feature=youtu.be


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Gar-Wi Musan on April 15, 2018, 04:56:47 AM
Staying real busy training. Our members have grown to 65 and they want content. Luckily, I send them here.

This is a crash course tutorial video I made for the J.o.E. LSC ( go Joe! ). Figured I would share it with the community. For those that already understand the basics, skip to the end. I put an intermediate MeiHuaQuan Staff Drill in there. The wind/airplanes/dogs were not an issue after the song ends. Hope you enjoy!

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOSykeKDc48&feature=youtu.be[/url]


 I'm really glad you came out of the shadows and have been so active dropping videos recently. I don't use a staff, but I love to watch people like you Sam, Venturous and DC. I'm thinking I need a staff more and more every day. And that skeleton training thing is genius. I think I have to build something like that. It explains the precision of your strikes. Thanks as always for sharing.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on May 04, 2018, 05:37:13 AM
This is what the J.o.E. LSC is working at our next meeting. Along with some of our Form 5 and 6 for sparring practice. I ran through these in a sword demo a little while back.

May the 4th be with you.

...and dont forget to Plum Blossom...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-BxKLJmoGU


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Gar-Wi Musan on May 04, 2018, 06:35:47 AM
This is what the J.o.E. LSC is working at our next meeting. Along with some of our Form 5 and 6 for sparring practice. I ran through these in a sword demo a little while back.

May the 4th be with you.

...and dont forget to Plum Blossom...

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-BxKLJmoGU[/url]


Wow! This adds so many cool variations to what I know as the basic Plum Blossom (Blossom or Flower?). Beautifully executed too. Thanks Ryan!
I think were going to need you to do a lot more tutorials. :)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cephalus on May 04, 2018, 06:52:32 AM
That is a pretty spectacular set Ryan. Really nice thing to drill. Thanks for that.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on May 04, 2018, 12:14:32 PM
thank you Kindly!
I have a bunch of the J.o.E. LSC ( go Joe! ) Forms tutorials im working on in any downtime between projects. Form lll will have all these in them.

Obi-Ani = Little Flower ( 1 version of it. ) :: goes into a Kylo Rage for having to call it an Obi-Ani ::

 ;D The Basic set I teach has 64 variations of the little flower and 64 variations of the Plum Blossom. Intermediate doubles ( so 128 each. There are more than that, I just decided that my club was good with 128. )  and Advanced techniques add footwork, movement, and reverse grip.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Taegin Roan on May 04, 2018, 07:15:42 PM
Yes, three minute tutorials are awesome.

Also, do you teach Kylo Rage forms?


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on May 04, 2018, 11:28:13 PM
As a matter of fact we have 3 “ Darkside “ Forms. Only 2 of us train these “ mindsets “Heavily influenced by the Windu Approach. The newest addition, Form lll is nicknamed “ Rage of Ren “


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on June 21, 2018, 01:59:31 PM
Thanks for putting together the tutorials!  Been looking on YouTube myself with no luck.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on July 13, 2018, 09:56:41 PM
Staying real busy training. Our members have grown to 65 and they want content. Luckily, I send them here.

This is a crash course tutorial video I made for the J.o.E. LSC ( go Joe! ). Figured I would share it with the community. For those that already understand the basics, skip to the end. I put an intermediate MeiHuaQuan Staff Drill in there. The wind/airplanes/dogs were not an issue after the song ends. Hope you enjoy!

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOSykeKDc48&feature=youtu.be[/url]


If you've never seen my crash course, start on the above video before you move on to this next one. That being said, MV and DC have entire tutorials up already. So I will focus on spreading around some basic and intermediate drills to the community. That heat is killing my hip.....you would think it would help loosen it up...

Anyway, hope you enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g0vWN-_ToE


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Silenoz on July 13, 2018, 10:48:59 PM
If you've never seen my crash course, start on the above video before you move on to this next one. That being said, MV and DC have entire tutorials up already. So I will focus on spreading around some basic and intermediate drills to the community. That heat is killing my hip.....you would think it would help loosen it up...

Anyway, hope you enjoy!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g0vWN-_ToE[/url]


You always make me wish I had a staff. Fantastic stuff as usual. I have back and hip problems myself and it is counter intuitive, but the heat makes me feel worse too. Anyway, thanks for sharing your awesomeness!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on July 14, 2018, 02:24:29 PM
If you've never seen my crash course, start on the above video before you move on to this next one. That being said, MV and DC have entire tutorials up already. So I will focus on spreading around some basic and intermediate drills to the community. That heat is killing my hip.....you would think it would help loosen it up...

Anyway, hope you enjoy!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g0vWN-_ToE[/url]


Thanks,  Master Resolute.  Will definitely try out these basics


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Elwood Graestar on August 09, 2018, 11:37:03 PM
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km6OjNSiyHg&feature=share#)

At request from my flowmie Silenoz🤙🏻


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Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Silenoz on August 09, 2018, 11:57:26 PM
! No longer available ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km6OjNSiyHg&feature=share#[/url])

At request from my flowmie Silenoz🤙🏻


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I love it dude. That's looks super smooth. Thank you Master Graestar.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: ArcaneOne on September 06, 2018, 04:50:19 PM
Hey guys, does anyone have any tips to save your wrists from getting sore?

Not saber specific , but these should help:
1. Monitor nutrition, and cut back on carbonated beverages
2. Flex , rotate , stretch, as stretching is part of any exercise regimen.
3. Alternate hands, and alternate routines / exercises / "katas" . Switch up activity to avoid repetitive motion.
4. Know your limits, start with simple, and short periods of time and work up. 
5. Start first without blade, then add blade into routines .




Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: ArcaneOne on September 06, 2018, 04:52:30 PM
Hey guys, does anyone have any tips to save your wrists from getting sore?

Not saber specific , but these should help:
1. Monitor nutrition, and cut back on carbonated beverages
2. Flex , rotate , stretch, as stretching is part of any exercise regimen.
3. Alternate hands, and alternate routines / exercises / "katas" . Switch up activity to avoid repetitive motion.
4.Observe your tension. Don't tense , and be aware and relax.
5. Know your limits, start with simple, and short periods of time and work up. 
6. Start first without blade, then add blade into routines .




Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth_Ravn on September 06, 2018, 05:06:44 PM
Awesome ! looks really cool !
I think I'll follow your channel :p


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Elwood Graestar on September 12, 2018, 11:16:27 PM
I present my first tutorial as an(incredibly honored) RM😊🤙🏻
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5TM69PLLXU&feature=share#)



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Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Taegin Roan on September 14, 2018, 07:10:05 PM
I present my first tutorial as an(incredibly honored) RM😊🤙🏻
! No longer available ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5TM69PLLXU&feature=share#[/url])



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Great video. The highlight was definitely the "they are known by other names but we shall not speak them here" line. Good tutorial, could hear it a lot better than some of your previous ones.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Elwood Graestar on September 14, 2018, 08:09:32 PM
Great video. The highlight was definitely the "they are known by other names but we shall not speak them here" line. Good tutorial, could hear it a lot better than some of your previous ones.
Thanks, Taegin🤙🏻😊  i took the discussion about that particular move very seriously😆 lol.  And thanks for the feedback on the volume- i remembered to turn off the loud fan this time🤘🏻


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Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Jaymes1980 on September 29, 2018, 04:04:38 AM
Thank you Dark Cephalus, this is just what I was hoping to find much appreciated.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Jaymes1980 on September 29, 2018, 06:04:32 AM
I never tried an upward wheel, I practiced for 20 mins and left arm down ward wheel since my left is in desperate need. If you guys would please point out my errors, my first 20 mins was horrible it got better the last 5
    https://youtu.be/6H-ekuzkBAQ


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Venturous on September 29, 2018, 08:09:40 PM
I never tried an upward wheel, I practiced for 20 mins and left arm down ward wheel since my left is in desperate need. If you guys would please point out my errors, my first 20 mins was horrible it got better the last 5
    [url]https://youtu.be/6H-ekuzkBAQ[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/6H-ekuzkBAQ[/url])


From what I can see at that angle, it looks like you are bringing your arm too far out in front before bringing it to the back for the reverse. The move is suppose to stay as close to your body as possible, which makes it tighter and makes it look better. A lot of people do the same thing with the normal version of the move, by bringing the arm too far out when it comes to the front. You might have a look at this video and see if it helps you any. It should help get the feeling of the move down and keep it constrained closer to the body:

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcieFiTd2nk&list=PLtxs8UJy21n7Sbsd1qRzzLrZO8zVh9mp_&index=29&t=1s#)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Jaymes1980 on September 29, 2018, 10:07:22 PM
From what I can see at that angle, it looks like you are bringing your arm too far out in front before bringing it to the back for the reverse. The move is suppose to stay as close to your body as possible, which makes it tighter and makes it look better. A lot of people do the same thing with the normal version of the move, by bringing the arm too far out when it comes to the front. You might have a look at this video and see if it helps you any. It should help get the feeling of the move down and keep it constrained closer to the body:

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcieFiTd2nk&list=PLtxs8UJy21n7Sbsd1qRzzLrZO8zVh9mp_&index=29&t=1s#)
[/quote
]  Thank you Master Venturous between your words and video this is where I am from last night and my 2nd attempt of this https://youtu.be/K4fW7Gmh7XQ (https://youtu.be/K4fW7Gmh7XQ)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Venturous on September 29, 2018, 10:51:06 PM
It looks a lot smoother and I can tell you are much more confident in the moves. Well done sir.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Jaymes1980 on September 29, 2018, 11:03:50 PM
It looks a lot smoother and I can tell you are much more confident in the moves. Well done sir.
    Thank you it feels natural now, heading now to class I'll review more from the Masters when I get back. You guys are awesome


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Silenoz on September 29, 2018, 11:46:52 PM
    Thank you it feels natural now, heading now to class I'll review more from the Masters when I get back. You guys are awesome

That tutorial is probably the best ever for this move.
Great job Jaymes. It's always inspiring for me to see peoples progression, weather they are a beginner or a master. You seem to be smoothing moves out really quick. Looking good.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Elwood Graestar on October 08, 2018, 02:37:22 PM
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfec2gPVEoE#)

upon request- this is an overview and brief tutorial on the Nagamaki Saber setup. enjoy and hit me up for more on this setup :)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Jaymes1980 on October 10, 2018, 04:09:46 AM
That tutorial is probably the best ever for this move.
Great job Jaymes. It's always inspiring for me to see peoples progression, weather they are a beginner or a master. You seem to be smoothing moves out really quick. Looking good.

  thank you Darth Silenoz, my movement of staff and step have combined I think 70 % or better any suggestions https://youtu.be/_A6MRMHxGh8


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: imgumby001dammit on October 13, 2018, 02:18:18 PM
What’s great about your training area is how confining it is. I can see how it’s keeping your movements tight and precise. Looking good! Hopefully nobody inadvertently walks down the alley!!!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Jaymes1980 on October 15, 2018, 09:32:36 AM
What’s great about your training area is how confining it is. I can see how it’s keeping your movements tight and precise. Looking good! Hopefully nobody inadvertently walks down the alley!!!
Lmao I post a sign t gf at says enter at your own risk 🤣 thank you brother


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on October 15, 2018, 12:33:58 PM
Thank you Master Graestar for showing us how to spin with the staff.  Because of your videos, I learned how to reverse the grip of my saber mid spin and revert it back just looking at your videos alone and trying it out from memory.  I'll try to find time this week to make a recording of it to show you and please do tell me about any mistakes or anything you think that I should work on to make it more natural looking. Point incoming my Master.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: NikonJedi on December 13, 2018, 02:46:00 PM
Awesome!  Thanks for the links!!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on December 13, 2018, 08:16:36 PM
Awesome!  Thanks for the links!!

You'll learn quite a bit, I know I have.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cruelty on February 09, 2019, 09:18:14 PM
Very cool Darth Cephalus, thanks for starting up this thread. I will be watching all of your (and others) videos you have shared.  :)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cruelty on February 11, 2019, 05:53:36 AM
Thanks to Darth Cephalus' spin tutorial video i have learned the Obi ani, but dont know if the form and everything is there, and if im doing it correctly. I will try to make a short video  and would like to post it for comments and suggestions on improvement and/or verification that it is being done correctly... yet i dont know where the best place to post this would be. Please inform me to where the best thread for a short video would be, so that i will get the most views/suggestions from said video. Thanks for any help provided.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on February 11, 2019, 12:11:11 PM
Thanks to Darth Cephalus' spin tutorial video i have learned the Obi ani, but dont know if the form and everything is there, and if im doing it correctly. I will try to make a short video  and would like to post it for comments and suggestions on improvement and/or verification that it is being done correctly... yet i dont know where the best place to post this would be. Please inform me to where the best thread for a short video would be, so that i will get the most views/suggestions from said video. Thanks for any help provided.


I got started with Saber Flow Art from Darth Cephalus' tutorial videos myself and I have to give him the respect and my gratitude for getting me started. 

You can always post in the Spin Zone Demos/Performances Thread if you like

http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=23126.975 (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=23126.975)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cruelty on February 11, 2019, 05:59:40 PM
Thanks for info Infinit, i will post there when i have it all recorded and put together. Might learn some more moves too so its not just a 15 second video, hahahah.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on February 11, 2019, 06:41:17 PM
Thanks for info Infinit, i will post there when i have it all recorded and put together. Might learn some more moves too so its not just a 15 second video, hahahah.

You're welcome. You can always start your own thread as well.  :D


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cruelty on February 11, 2019, 06:46:08 PM
Ok, got a recording done. Need to edit it quick, take my son to school, then i should have it up. I might start a new thread, but ill probably post it in here also.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cruelty on February 11, 2019, 08:28:14 PM
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5TtnA4WiRY#)  Just need to know if the spinning is done correctly? Also, things that could be worked on such as speed, making movements tighter, fluidness, etc... and tips on how to improve these things please. I feel that the ending transition, into the beginning of the move, that there is something wrong, if that makes sense. It doesnt feel right. Am i missing a spin, is my footing off? Just need help. Comments on the youtube video are disabled, please just comment on here with any constructive criticism. It would be much appreciated.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on February 11, 2019, 09:52:43 PM
Hey Darth Cruelty.  You have the foundation down.  Instead of trying to spin in front of you, bring your arm out to the side of your body and perform your flourishes (spins) and Eclipse (Obi-Ani) like in the video below


Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej_d7vUGjco#)

Also, work on speed control.  When learning something, start off slow until you have it ingrained into muscle memory. You can then speed up as needed, but remember, Flow Art isn't a race, it's not about going as fast as you can since it'll be harder for the audience to see the trail of the blade if you do so. 

As Master Resolute has mentioned: "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast."


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cruelty on February 11, 2019, 11:47:56 PM
I think i was adding an extra spin in there or something. The tutorial i watched first (which was not Darth Cephalus') said to do a forward spin, into the behind the back "spin", then when you pull it back to the front you do a back spin.. and recently it seems you dont do the final back spin, you just go straight back into the forward spin, right? For some reason this has been so confusing for me. Please correct me if im wrong. Thank you Infinit for your video and helping hand. And i agree i was going to fast, as well as tweaking my body too much. Your body is stable, while your shoulder moves. Ill post another shortly to see if you guys think its improved.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cruelty on February 11, 2019, 08:19:15 PM
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/upload_thumbnail?v=U9zyAiAJ4ms#)   Updated video of me trying the necessary spins for the "completion" of the Obi Ani. I am currently using a 36'' blade which i think is a huge issue for me. I am waiting for a 32'' and a 24'' to come in. Is this improvement from my other video? Darth Cephalus' video was much more informative than the one i watched on youtube previously, and im hoping i got it down now. Not trying to rush, just trying to make sure the movements are right so i can then work on tightening it up, and slowly pick up speed with time. BIG thanks to infinit for taking the time earlier to give me some constructive criticism, i hope this is better. Please help with comments. Thanks!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cruelty on February 11, 2019, 09:49:13 PM
My video says error underneath but the picture is still up. Please inform me if the video is not working and i will repost. Sorry...


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on February 12, 2019, 12:35:52 PM
Hey there, Darth Cruelty.  You're welcome, I'm glad that I can help.  Here's a video of me breaking down the Eclipse aka the Obi-Ani

 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwtnI6gzlHk#)


By the way, I can see your video just fine.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cruelty on February 12, 2019, 03:03:16 PM
Thank you so much Infinit! It's seriously appreciated man. I'm glad that I had the motion down, and I like the breakdown of you explaining why the side is more important than the front. In video it looks way cooler from the side. Now that I have this information, I will get it down slowly first, then practice on my left also. I feel that this will be better achieved also when my smaller blades come in because this 36" is just not working, lol. Thanks again, a lot brother! Point.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on February 12, 2019, 03:41:48 PM
Thank you so much Infinit! It's seriously appreciated man. I'm glad that I had the motion down, and I like the breakdown of you explaining why the side is more important than the front. In video it looks way cooler from the side. Now that I have this information, I will get it down slowly first, then practice on my left also. I feel that this will be better achieved also when my smaller blades come in because this 36" is just not working, lol. Thanks again, a lot brother! Point.

You're welcome and I'm glad that I can help you with your question.  I too started off with the 36" and it's just too long for me too and I stand at 5'10.  32" work perfect for my height and reach but I recommend to play around with the different blade lengths and see what's comfortable for you.    If you have any more questions, just let me know.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cruelty on February 13, 2019, 06:35:50 AM
Do you currently use a 32''? In the video you posted it looked like a 24'', just curious. They should be in on thursday and my next day off is on saturday, so ill prob have another video by monday at the latest. Im excited to try the different sizes and see which one works best, because yeah, im at 6' 2'' and its still really big. Not impossible, just irritating. Keep hitting it on the ground.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on February 13, 2019, 12:28:51 PM
Do you currently use a 32''? In the video you posted it looked like a 24'', just curious. They should be in on thursday and my next day off is on saturday, so ill prob have another video by monday at the latest. Im excited to try the different sizes and see which one works best, because yeah, im at 6' 2'' and its still really big. Not impossible, just irritating. Keep hitting it on the ground.


The saber you see in the video in the AB blade is a 24" since it has a twin that turns into a staff so I'm using one of my two from my staff to spin for now. My usual sabers are down due to me needing to replace the battery cases that were damaged from them getting beat up from spinning. My others are 32" that I normally spin with.

This VA blade is a 32" but it's currently down

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q8rQKFKTTw#)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Randy Magnum on February 13, 2019, 09:41:36 AM
Hi. I'm new to all of this. I'm waiting to purchase my first US. I have aother LED lightsaber and I think The stuff on the handle oulld make it hard to do some of this. I see some advice sbove me about the length but can anyone recomend what type of body or frame to use for these type of moves? Thank you.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Elwood Graestar on February 13, 2019, 08:01:12 PM
Hi. I'm new to all of this. I'm waiting to purchase my first US. I have aother LED lightsaber and I think The stuff on the handle oulld make it hard to do some of this. I see some advice sbove me about the length but can anyone recomend what type of body or frame to use for these type of moves? Thank you.
Greetings, Rando!(love the Archer handle🤙🏻) as for  hilts conducive to flow, i’d check through the V2 line, V3 aeon/dominix, v3 sentinels- even the some of the “premium” hilts are good for flow.  But for me, the more basic design with even weight helped me to make progress.  I still do most of my practice and demos with my aeon V3😊🤙🏻


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Randy Magnum on February 13, 2019, 01:01:18 PM
Greetings, Rando!(love the Archer handle🤙🏻) as for  hilts conducive to flow, i’d check through the V2 line, V3 aeon/dominix, v3 sentinels- even the some of the “premium” hilts are good for flow.  But for me, the more basic design with even weight helped me to make progress.  I still do most of my practice and demos with my aeon V3😊🤙🏻

The aeon v3 does look comfortable. Those all work as far as the price is concerned too. Still too many options but that helps narrow it down a bit.

Thanks for the information!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cruelty on February 13, 2019, 09:33:05 PM
Awesome video Infinit! I will get there one day. Lol. Major skill! Thanks for the info on your lengths also. How often do you have to replace battery packs or other internal components though? And is that just contributed to excessive drops, or the spinning motions themselves?


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on February 13, 2019, 10:24:58 PM
Awesome video Infinit! I will get there one day. Lol. Major skill! Thanks for the info on your lengths also. How often do you have to replace battery packs or other internal components though? And is that just contributed to excessive drops, or the spinning motions themselves?

Thanks and you're welcome.  You'll get there, it just takes practicie and the love for flow art is all.  I replace my batteries either once a week or twice a week but I spin daily and most of the time, several times a day.  Replacing the batteries is just that I spin a lot.  Now, the battery pack shattering is due to drops since the AAA batteries are standard for stunts unless you upgrade to lithium ion batteries. The AAA battery cases are really thin and frail so after a few nice drops, they'll shatter.  If you own a V4 line, you can velcro the the entire battery case after using electrical tape to ensure that the batteries don't pop out during spins and drops.  I use a piece of velcro and wrap the battery case vertically once and another piece to wrap it horizontally. This makes for a nice and tight fit within the hilt leaving no room for play and also acts as cushion in case you drop it (and you will but that's just a learning experience). 


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cruelty on February 14, 2019, 03:52:12 AM
My current saber had the velcro on it when i got it, and i thought that-that was a very good call. So i will definitely do that to my hilt coming also because it seems to work well. And your right, itll give it a very snug fit to cushion incase of drops. I love picking others brains about these things, so thanks again Infinit, always good talking with you. Cant wait to get that video up and continuing my practice. 


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on February 14, 2019, 12:54:27 PM
So with my standard stunt saber set ups that I have not converted to 18650 batteries yet (I use 18650s on my set ups now due to more capacity and better aftermarket chassis choices), I use electrical tape to keep the AAAs in the case since they tend to pop out during spins, strikes, or drops

(https://i.ibb.co/kKL7BxM/4-B8-AA3-CD-1717-4124-9-DE9-1748-B697627-B.jpg)

I then use a strip of velcro to wrap around the sides of the battery case

(https://i.ibb.co/N7Qh8wX/224-C9-C1-F-73-C5-475-C-8-B56-556-DFDC66-F0-E.jpg)

Lastly, I use the piece of velcro and wrap the middle of the battery case.

(https://i.ibb.co/ZXJGsqH/46-D11421-2350-4699-B382-3-B1-FC85-BEA6-A.jpg)

This not only keeps everything from moving inside the hilt while spinning or dueling, but also acts as a cushion of sorts since the battery case has not shattered and I've shattered plenty


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cruelty on February 14, 2019, 11:17:13 PM
My package came in today, so I'll look at it when I get off of work and definitely be getting more velcro, for this is a brilliant idea. Thanks for the pic's bro! What saber was that in the pic?


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on February 15, 2019, 06:17:48 PM
It's the Sentinel LE V4 in the AB blade that you see me spinning with in my videos.

Here's a picture of it right next to it's twin

(https://i.ibb.co/yYJbq3n/4-A102-F97-4729-46-FC-8-EE0-F922-EF57-D587.jpg)

Both of them conjoined to make my dedicated staff

(https://i.ibb.co/tqXbC8L/676-BD41-D-58-EB-4885-AF33-1-B88-DA5-FA938.jpg)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Darth Cruelty on February 16, 2019, 04:12:36 AM
It's the Sentinel LE V4 in the AB blade that you see me spinning with in my videos.

Here's a picture of it right next to it's twin

(https://i.ibb.co/yYJbq3n/4-A102-F97-4729-46-FC-8-EE0-F922-EF57-D587.jpg)

Both of them conjoined to make my dedicated staff

(https://i.ibb.co/tqXbC8L/676-BD41-D-58-EB-4885-AF33-1-B88-DA5-FA938.jpg)
Those are awesome Infinite! I want a sentinel so bad. Honestly might be my next saber, but I want a v5 soon too, lol. How do you like the guarded switch? I've been getting the A/V on all of mine... is it ok, or get in the way? Love the color too man. I need a guardian blue saber v5. They look amazing!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on February 18, 2019, 07:04:39 AM
Thanks, Darth Cruelty.  I'm not a fan of the guarded switch since they rise much higher than the AV switches and gets in the way of spinning so I typically buy AV switches and swap them out. Just haven't done so yet.  The blades are actually Arbiter Blue on my Sentinel LE V4s but I agree, Guardian Blue (GB) blades are amazing along with the Arbiter Blue (AB) blades.. 

Here's my Dark Initiate V4 in the Guardian Blue, the GB looks a bit purple in some lighting and angles but it's a darker shade of blue

(http://image.ibb.co/kvg2qT/IMG-1580-small.jpg)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Taegin Roan on February 25, 2019, 07:59:42 PM
Anyone have any tutorials on how to do a back wrap or neck wrap? That is one I'd like to learn, and I can't seem to get it.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Bob Loblaw on May 07, 2019, 05:32:24 PM
Anyone have any tutorials on how to do a back wrap or neck wrap? That is one I'd like to learn, and I can't seem to get it.

Hello Taegin. I could be wrong about exactly what you are looking for, but there is a lady named Michelle Christa Smith on YouTube that I think does a lot of stuff like that. Pretty mind blowing. I would check her out if you haven't already. I look forward to seeing it when you get them down. Good luck!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: finlayfox on May 08, 2019, 04:06:13 AM
Anyone have any tutorials on how to do a back wrap or neck wrap? That is one I'd like to learn, and I can't seem to get it.


Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VLESVJTS74#)
also look up SNES


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on May 08, 2019, 12:07:31 PM
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VLESVJTS74#[/url])


Embedded it for ya ;)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: finlayfox on May 08, 2019, 07:54:24 PM
just so everyone knows, that is not me


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: S2mikey on July 16, 2019, 11:10:36 PM
Any tips on reverse grip practice?  Im frustrated bad here.  Alls I can manage to do is the basic X-flourish but whenever I try say an eclipse(Obi-Ani) or a plum flower.... my goodness I get all tied up!  Ive watched Darth Cephauls and Ventorous who are both great teachers and have helped me immensly but neither one does it slow enough for me to see the hand positions at each stage.  I know that Cephalus says to pretend that the blade is coming out of the pommel and then just do what you "normally" would.  I can eclipse spin with the best of them but Ill be damned if thats all there is to it! 

I need a video that goes step by step....slowly.  This is driving me bonkers..... :D

Thanks!!!


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: chalion on July 17, 2019, 12:35:06 AM
try looking this up:

How to Spin a Sword - Reverse Grip (Forward)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on July 17, 2019, 01:34:09 AM
put your grip in the middle of a staff and start there. That's how I teach everyone that works with me. Teaches reverse grip and standard all at the same time. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: S2mikey on July 17, 2019, 06:56:27 AM
try looking this up:

How to Spin a Sword - Reverse Grip (Forward)


Will do - Ive found a few other resources too.  Ill get it, just driving me nuts right now. :)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: chalion on July 17, 2019, 08:39:04 PM
Will do - Ive found a few other resources too.  Ill get it, just driving me nuts right now. :)

I hear ya. I can (somewhat) spin a lightsaber, but arthritis is starting to creep into my life, so fast spinning is beyond me most days. Anything past that is too much like pain.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on February 12, 2020, 06:01:31 PM
This is one of my " paths " of Basic Training I use depending on that students particular goal. If the Little flower.....A.k.A. the Obi-Ani is the primary goal, I take them down this path.

Apologies for the glare. Im actually working with a group from FullSail and we are building a small little stage with a backdrop from some combat tutorials I have in the works. Flourishing will be included.

Once you get these simple drills down, go check out my Little Flower/Obi Ani angles of attack video for ways to functionalize it. There are definitely plenty of resources to reference though. Not just my own.
 Hope this helps. Grab a staff because it teaches standard and reverse grip at the same time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZ6f0omXbU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZ6f0omXbU#)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on February 12, 2020, 06:10:03 PM
Looking good


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: finlayfox on February 24, 2020, 06:46:54 PM
I've had a few people ask and I've been meaning to di it, but I've been waiting until I ordered another blade.
How to make your lightsaber into a... LEVISABER! *Ominous Tones*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-pLavFR_Cg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-pLavFR_Cg#)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Tai Chi Chuan Wijchen on February 25, 2020, 07:53:59 AM
This is one of my " paths " of Basic Training I use depending on that students particular goal. If the Little flower.....A.k.A. the Obi-Ani is the primary goal, I take them down this path.

Apologies for the glare. Im actually working with a group from FullSail and we are building a small little stage with a backdrop from some combat tutorials I have in the works. Flourishing will be included.

Once you get these simple drills down, go check out my Little Flower/Obi Ani angles of attack video for ways to functionalize it. There are definitely plenty of resources to reference though. Not just my own.
 Hope this helps. Grab a staff because it teaches standard and reverse grip at the same time.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZ6f0omXbU#[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZ6f0omXbU#[/url])


Always a little gift to watch someone with a martial background handling a staff. Thank you for sharing.  *respectful martial bow*

Am I correct when remembering you have a Kali background?


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Tai Chi Chuan Wijchen on February 25, 2020, 08:02:10 AM
I've had a few people ask and I've been meaning to di it, but I've been waiting until I ordered another blade.
How to make your lightsaber into a... LEVISABER! *Ominous Tones*
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-pLavFR_Cg#[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-pLavFR_Cg#[/url])


I just watched your double levisaber video on Instagram and thought of the same question. Thank you for making this. Especially with all the little hints and tips you mentioned while talking. And always fun to hear someones voice after all the 'silent' music videos.

Again thanks for sharing, added it to my DIY-future-projects-playlist.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: finlayfox on March 13, 2020, 06:07:09 PM
I just watched your double levisaber video on Instagram and thought of the same question. Thank you for making this. Especially with all the little hints and tips you mentioned while talking. And always fun to hear someones voice after all the 'silent' music videos.

Again thanks for sharing, added it to my DIY-future-projects-playlist.



It would be pretty fun to play with a levisaber in the gym/classroom you have there, and I would love to see it. As for hearing my voice, you get to again, for I did a quick video on tosses and offhand use for Miss Goodfellow.  Sidenote, turns out I'm starting to want to unpack all the things I've learned over the years. I think a video series shall be in order in the near future.  I'm gonna have plenty of time on my hands for the foreseeable future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqpeLWUWsiM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqpeLWUWsiM#)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Robyn_Goodfellow on March 13, 2020, 07:24:02 PM
It would be pretty fun to play with a levisaber in the gym/classroom you have there, and I would love to see it. As for hearing my voice, you get to again, for I did a quick video on tosses and offhand use for Miss Goodfellow.  Sidenote, turns out I'm starting to want to unpack all the things I've learned over the years. I think a video series shall be in order in the near future.  I'm gonna have plenty of time on my hands for the foreseeable future.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqpeLWUWsiM#[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqpeLWUWsiM#[/url])


This is just what I needed ****THANK YOU****

I’ve just subscribed to your channel so I can follow you. Thanks for making this video x


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: finlayfox on March 16, 2020, 11:42:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1TJXZt_ZrM&lc=z22ecvs45yqmz5quiacdp4304zm3y4a0sh5esok02wpw03c010c# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1TJXZt_ZrM&lc=z22ecvs45yqmz5quiacdp4304zm3y4a0sh5esok02wpw03c010c#)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: finlayfox on March 17, 2020, 12:39:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KridaMG1F44# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KridaMG1F44#)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Tai Chi Chuan Wijchen on March 17, 2020, 02:59:18 PM
Finlay and I had the same ideas. Guess it has something to do with us all being stuck at home thanks to the social distancing.

Anyway, here's a playlist of a few tutorials I made for my students a few months back:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj4AyKEmrbKhE21UzB5NGlUbPLXbgCQ66 (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj4AyKEmrbKhE21UzB5NGlUbPLXbgCQ66)
Witch doesn't seem to embed.

And three more tutorials I made today, because I wanted them to have something new to practice at home. And of course for all the nice and wonderful people here on this forum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBznC6xTS5M# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBznC6xTS5M#)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BH1vZ6OpEQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BH1vZ6OpEQ#)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNJiFw6ncwg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNJiFw6ncwg#)



Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on March 17, 2020, 03:12:41 PM
Good tutorials, guys. I like how each video focuses on different moves and topics which are easy to follow for those that want to start spinning. Points incoming


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: finlayfox on March 20, 2020, 08:05:48 PM
2 staff drills
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCLK22u9KOk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCLK22u9KOk#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqusG3sbxzM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqusG3sbxzM#)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Tai Chi Chuan Wijchen on March 21, 2020, 08:35:46 AM
Nice Finlay! Love the movements, great idea with the kitchen cupboard, I used to have an exercise like that with live students trying not to hit eachother  ;D
Ceiling still in one piece?


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: finlayfox on March 21, 2020, 04:11:44 PM
Nice Finlay! Love the movements, great idea with the kitchen cupboard, I used to have an exercise like that with live students trying not to hit eachother  ;D
Ceiling still in one piece?

Mostly. If you look you can see all the black smudges on the ceiling from practicing my fire props.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Tai Chi Chuan Wijchen on March 21, 2020, 05:44:13 PM
Hehehe just because of the black ashes or did you actually spin with fire indoors?


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on March 22, 2020, 11:31:40 PM
Something to help pass the time. I have something entirely new that is coming out Hopefully by Oct., depends on how things get moving forward. Hope everyone is staying safe. ( as safe as we can be. ) This is the " old format " I used for online. The new one is much better. Either way, hope you enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tfqGFhvyHA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tfqGFhvyHA#)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Tai Chi Chuan Wijchen on March 23, 2020, 07:25:44 AM
Thank you, I love the way you use the off hand to follow up on the block, to lock and continue into an attack.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on March 23, 2020, 11:33:34 AM
I enjoyed that video, Master Resolute. You're always so helpful and knowledgeable


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Bob Loblaw on March 24, 2020, 07:44:43 PM
Something to help pass the time. I have something entirely new that is coming out Hopefully by Oct., depends on how things get moving forward. Hope everyone is staying safe. ( as safe as we can be. ) This is the " old format " I used for online. The new one is much better. Either way, hope you enjoy.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tfqGFhvyHA#[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tfqGFhvyHA#[/url])


Yes!!! Master Resolute in the house! Good to see you again. :)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: finlayfox on March 28, 2020, 08:08:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK6UcaFzYtY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK6UcaFzYtY#)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: finlayfox on April 03, 2020, 01:59:09 AM
I should have scripted out what I was saying a bit more because I am a bit all over the place with this video, but there is still good info so I'm posting it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTY_eBwI4Go&t=20s# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTY_eBwI4Go&t=20s#)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Tai Chi Chuan Wijchen on April 03, 2020, 06:58:00 AM
Real fun to watch.
I'll have something to practice the upcoming days.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Sportycloud on April 15, 2020, 08:16:55 PM
This is incredibly helpful and interesting. This is a must read for any saber beginners. I would say I fit into that category so I want to say thank you for this.


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Master Resolute on April 26, 2020, 09:00:23 PM
Basic Progression. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6br88xVZJ4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6br88xVZJ4#)


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: Infinit01 on April 27, 2020, 01:38:29 AM
Good video once again, Master Resolute. I'm always one for staff training


Title: Re: The Spin Zone: Tutorials
Post by: the Sith Order on July 15, 2021, 11:49:00 AM
Don’t play with your Lightsabers.