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It has come to my attention that we have quite a few members on the forum who have a deep love for movies. Thanks to the wonders of the internet, information and gossip about new movies is everywhere, so I thought having a single thread in this section where people can share thoughts and opinions on new movies, enjoy intelligent dialogue about movies throughout cinematic history, take the p*ss out of bad movies and generally engage with likeminded people would be a good idea.

As this is the internet, where tone can be misconstrued and opinions may vary wildly, it's necessary to have a few rules

1- Standard Saberforum rules apply

2- All movies are subjective; there are no right or wrong opinions.

3- Do not take it as a personal attack if someone criticises a movie you like/love

4- Try not to purposely antagonise anyone

5- Use *SPOILER ALERT* appropriately when discussing new movies that others may not have seen yet

6- Please post trailers in a separate thread and post the link to that thread here.

7- HAVE FUN!

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

In my opinion, one of the best lines from one of the best movies ever.

Is there another movie with a larger collection of iconic lines? ;D

I foresee all other threads taking a temporary hit if this one takes off


I can quote Dumb and Dumber til my head falls off.
That one's off the top of my head.
Godfather
Back to the Future

Definitely the most quoted line in the film. However, I feel it's over use lessens it's impact when it actually happens in the movie. The Princess Bride, as every great movie should, has many many wonderful lines in it and I feel the ones that aren't quoted as much become funnier once you hear them again upon rewatching purely because they are not quoted as much in popular culture.

LEGO Batman was awesome, and I'm really excited for Spider-Man: Homecoming, and Thor: Ragnarok.

And I just set myself up perfectly for another "only watch superhero stuff" comment.

Oversaturation ruins everything. It's half the reason why so many people hate FROZEN (which is a solid little movie when you get down to it).


It's okay. You'll eventually run out of superhero movies to watch. :D

My hope is if this takes off, that it becomes stickied as a go to place for all forum members who love movies

This is Spinal Tap and Pulp Fiction?

I don't know, but that is sure a good one.


Quite possibly.


Yes, but the feeling with which he says it at the beginning while talking the The Dread Pirate Roberts is so powerful, you can just feel how much he loved his father.

That's not in question. But the line itself is so overused in popular that the oversaturation, as LB said, lessens the impact. Can't be helped. It's like hearing a great song you love on the radio on repeat every two hours every day. Eventually you don't react to it the same way.

In a head-to-head contest probably yeah, but I don't know if their cultural footprint is as large. Which is super weird for PULP FICTION, considering how influential it was.

Just watched Dead Pool for the first time tonight and I enjoyed it.

Being a husband and father, I can't stomach sexual content or gory violence anymore which I prefer not to anyways. 

Thanks to Netflix I was able to skip by the scenes that kept me from this movie and enabled me to enjoy the aspects of Marvel I like seeing on the big screen.

Best movie iteration of Colossus I've seen who has been one of my favourite X-men for years.  Didn't enjoy how slow he was in a fight, but the actual rendering and character was nice.

Even though Dead Pool is crass it was "tasteful" for movie going and Ryan Reynolds was a lot of fun.  I've enjoyed him being more and more active in leading roles.  

True, but I still love the line.

I think DEADPOOL was the best CBM of last year, which is more of a reflection on the rest of the movies than DEADPOOL's quality. It's a really nice little movie though, and I LOVE his relationship with Vanessa.

Like you though, I don't have as much of a stomach for strong content that I used to. I've become especially sensitive to violence lately (although I still watch it).


It's a good line. :)

The Princess Bride only came out 7 years before Pulp Fiction. In terms or cultural footprint, Pulp Fiction influenced not only a whole generation of filmmakers, directors and writers, but changed how movie dialogue and linear storytelling was used in cinema as a whole. That's a pretty big footprint right there.

EVERYBODY loves the line. That's why it's so popular.

There's your key there. PULP FICTION impacted filmmakers much more than PRINCESS BRIDE, but in the larger pop culture sphere I think PRINCESS BRIDE is bigger.

Like, if I quote PULP FICTION I'll get mostly quizzical looks with maybe one or two guys that know, but if I quote THE PRINCESS BRIDE a bunch of people will smile knowingly.

How many of you have watched the Horatio Hornblower series? And what did you think of it?

Personally I loved it. I didn't like a couple of them, but I think I would if I watched them again.

Even though it's bigger than this - I see Pulp Fiction as a boutique film in a sense, more niche and catering to a narrower audience as far as popularity goes.  But that's part of what makes it good IMO.

Deadpool was the best CBM of 2016 and one of the best of all time. Unlike you guys, I still LOVE violent movies. I have been a lifelong horror movie fan, so gore and violence are second nature to me. Obviously there are times when I want a well told story, or a comedy or whatever, but violence/gore is still very much a favourite of mine. That's probably why I love Tarnatino's movies so much.

As for Deadpool crassness, I've read many of his comics so didn't find the movie crass at all, but I can see why others may view it in those terms. Individual sensibilities will always be a determining factor when it comes to movie content.

DUDE! This is a "MOVIE" chat thread. Not tv.

Haven't seen it, my 5 year old has.
Before you say WTF, don't blame me. My mom was watching him last year and my mother(I love her) is very naive and just buys to buy. She bought Deadpool just cuz it came out and she thought, "well, I'm going to be watching him and he needs something to watch". So she put it on for him and my dad and left to the store. My dad(god bless his soul) loves the movie, but has no common sense to say "oh, maybe this isn't good".
Total fail.

Totally have to watch my in-laws like a hawk for the exact same reason!

That may be an age/location thing. I can quote either films in mixed company and the people I hang around with will still get the references. However, as The Princess Bride is family friendly, that will always have a wider audience appeal.

True, as there are many of the average movie goer who would not see a Tarantino movie purely because of the level of violence, language and liberal use of the N-word.

Yes. They are a series of 8 movies. Not a tv show. Just like the SW movies could be referred to as a series.

Wow you guys talk a lot.

I think the real answer underlying this conversation is, "LB needs better friends." :D

They were released on tv in the Uk as an ongoing series, hence my comment

well, I didn't want to say it, because it would be rude!  :D

This is what it means to be a film fan, movie buff or cinephile

I didn't know that. I watched them as movies.

I just saw Logan got a Rotten Tomatoes rating of 96%! Wtf

94% currently! With 97 collected reviews and an average rating of 8.1/10. I've been reading nothing but good things about it. ;D

^^ Ditto. Some people are saying it is even deserving of an Oscar nomination for best picture at next year's awards.

It comes out here today (it's currently 6.20am in London) but i won't have the cash to go see it until Friday. It is one of my most anticipated movies of 2017 though

We get it in 2 days, but I likely won't see it 'til Sunday. It's my designated March movie (I like to try and set one movie to most look forward to each month).

Only one? That surprises me.

It's for budgeting reasons. Several months have more than one I'm looking forward to (THE LEGO BATMAN MOVIE and JOHN WICK 2 for February, for example), but I like to set one that I definitely can't miss (it was JOHN WICK 2 for February) so I don't spend too much, then go to the others if I have some extra cash.

Aside from that, I watch things on Netflix, FilmStruck (although I need to renew my subscription for that), and check things out from the library.

Ah. I understand. Going to the cinema can end up being ridiculously expensive. That's why, if money is tight, I always make sure to be fully fed and watered before I get there so I don't need snacks. Fortunately, with what I'll be earning at my new job, once I get paid next month, i won't have to worry about affording trips to the cinema anymore.

Anyway, on a somewhat related topic, at the beginning of the year I posted a list of all the "big" movie being released in 2017. As we are almost in March and we have this brand spanking new thread, I thought it as good as place as any to revisit the list and see what films people are excited to see. Please note - This is not a list of EVERY new movie due out in 2017

(We all know Calon is going to pick all the superhero releases. And the pirate movie)

Mar 3 - Logan
Mar 10 - Kong: Skull Island
Mar 17 - Beauty and the Beast
Mar 24 - Power Rangers
Mar 31 - Ghost in the Shell

Apr 14 - The Fate of the Furious
Apr 28 - The Circle

May 5 - Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2
May 19 - Alien: Covenant
May 26 - Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales
May 26 - Baywatch

Jun 2 - Wonder Woman
Jun 9 - The Mummy
Jun 23 - Transformers: The Last Knight
Jun 30 - Despicable Me 3

July 7 - Spiderman Homecoming
July 14 - War for the Planet of the Apes
July 21 - Dunkirk
July 28 - The Dark Tower

Sep 8 - IT
Sep 29 - Flatliners

Oct 6 - Blade Runner 2049
Oct 6 - Kingsmen 2: The Golden Circle
Oct 13 - Friday the 13th
Oct 20 - Insidious: Chapter 4

Nov 3 - Thor: Ragnarok
Nov 17 - Justice League

Dec 15 - Star War: Episode 8
Dec 22 - Jumani
Dec 22 - The Six Billion Dollar Man
Dec 22 - Pitch Perfect 3

In college my local theater would let you in for $5 if you showed your student ID so I saw everything, but now I have to deal with the same prices as everyone else. ::)

I'm most anticipating LOGAN, THE FATE OF THE FURIOUS, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY VOL. 2, SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING, WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES, THE DARK TOWER, and KINGSMEN 2: THE GOLDEN CIRCLE. Beyond that, my "hipster" pick is BABY DRIVER (coming August 11). :D

Can an Edgar Wright film be considered a "hipster" pick? *curious face emoji*

My picks are in red. Underlined means I'm curious

I still have to explain what he's done to most people I know (again, need better friends :D).

Is he super popular in the UK?

I wouldn't say he's popular in the same way as Spielberg, Nolan or Tarantino is, but Spaced was massively popular here, as were the Cornetto film trilogy.

As much as I enjoyed Ant-man, I really wish I could have seen his version. And it's criminal that more people didn't see Scott Pilgrim.

Red- will see in theatre

Blue- am mildly interested in, but highly unlikely I'll see in theatre.

No interest in Logan, the last ever Wolverine/X-men movie to star both Hugh Jackman or Patrick Stewart?

Will PM details.

I would imagine so, considering he did SPACED and the Cornetto films over there. He's more of a "film nerd" name over here, where moderate movie fans are the most common people you'll see that know him, while the general public doesn't.

I remember being devastated at the news of him leaving ANT-MAN. It was probably the starting point of my Marvel enthusiasm diminishing. And SCOTT PILGRIM is one of the most underseen gems in film history.

I'll use the same style as Knox. Highlights for pics, underline for curious.


Haven't watched the rest of the X-Men movies, so Logan isn't on there. Same with F8. Haven't finished all the other Transformer movies, so that'll be in the same boat.

As movie fans, comic book fans and genre fans, I think we often forget that when it comes to movies, there are two types of people: the movie buff (TMB) and the casual film watcher (CFW). TMBs will obviously know who Edgar Wright is, both here and in the states. He (and Simon Pegg) are both nerds and are just like us. CFWs will go to the cinema maybe once every couple of months. They don't watch new trailers on youtube 1 min after they are released. They don't watch movie chat shows or follow online movie websites, so their knowledge of the film world is very limited/surface level.

Fortunately, there will always be people like us, who will do our part to spread the love and knowledge of film to those CFWs so that as many people as possible get to watch as many great films as possible and share in the story telling experience.

You can't discuss in public? Must be serious :D

Ok, it's almost 7am and I have a long day of sleeping, lazying around and tv watching to do, so I should really go get some sleep. But I will leave this topic for the group to discuss in my absence:

What are your thoughts on the current state and direction of the DCEU?

It gets even crazier when you've been on the filmmaking side.


Reboot in 10 years.

Oops, I missed Despicable Me 3. I think that falls in my blue category.

This is a very hot topic. But personally, I think that they might be making too big a deal out of issues with The Flash and Ben leaving Batman. With the announcement of Nightwing, I am starting to get more scared that Ben might actually decide to do it. Still hoping he won't though. As for the movies, I am and always have been more of a Marvelite, but I still enjoy them. MoS gave us (IMO) the perfect Superman, and BvS gave us an almost as good as the Animated Batman Batman. It also gave us Wonder Woman. I haven't yet watched SS, so I can't comment on that. However, I am really looking forward to WW and JL, and I can't wait to see where they take us. Again, this is all just my opinion. I do have a DC fan friend who thinks about the same as me. He likes DCEU better then MCU, but on whether or not everything will work out, we think the same.

My sister played the first DESPICABLE ME on repeat when it was first released, so now I can't handle anything even remotely related to it anymore. :'(

a bit late to comment but I do work 10+hr shifts still.

a swarm of one liners goes to Evil Dead/ Army of Darkness.

One of the down sides of staying up so late is your flatmates making noise as they get up to get ready for work. No chance of getting to sleep right now, so may as well chat a bit more till they've buggered off.

You mean abandon all current plans, wait 10 years and then reboot it or that it will be rebooted in 10 years time regardless of whatever is released right now?

Hence me asking it. Those topics always make for the best conversations.

I should begin by saying that I am fan of good comic book movies, regardless who makes them. Good CBM benefit the entire genre as the general movie going public would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a Marvel character and a DC character.

The DCEU is (currently) coming across as a big disorganised mess, beyond the upcoming Wonder Woman and Justice League movies, mainly because those two movies have already finished filming. Good or bad, justified or not, all the moving around of directors on The Flash, all the gossip around whether Batfleck is staying or going and all the problems with the script to the movie just does not inspire confidence that the DCEU is a franchise that will produce good movies.

It's fair to say that Man of Steel, BvS and Suicide Squad have been massively divisive with critics and fans. There hasn't been one solid bonafide hit yet, although I feel and hope that Wonder Woman will be the one that is. Amongst the many apparent problems (that we know of) at WB/DC is the "too many cooks" syndrome and no clear end game to aim towards. Unfair as it may be to compare the MCU (which has been going almost 10 years) to the fledgling DCEU, Marvel throughout their various phases has always had a plan. Phase 1 end game was The Avengers team-up with all the preceding movies building towards that. Phase 2 and Phase 3 have all been building towards Thanos and the infinity gauntlet.

Don't get me wrong, not every MCU movie has been wonderful and amazing. But even the "worst" ones have still been enjoyable and for the most part, the audience have forgiven any missteps as the overall package has a clear sense of building towards something. WB/DC do not currently have that. They have announced FIFTEEN movies that are supposed to be coming out over the next FIVE years. Marvel has only recently committed to making three movies a year after laying a solid foundation. DC, it seems, are jumping in the deep end straight away.

As I have said on many other threads, the MCU has one clear voice and vision guiding the ship (our Lord and Saviour Kevin Feige). WB/DC has a committee, with far too many people giving input and contributing to every film. Back in the day they allowed Nolan to do his thing with his Bat-trilogy and those movies were successful. If reports are to be belived, they then decided to convert those movies into a franchise and the hope was that the Green Lantern movie would tie-in and expand the franchise. But, as we all know GL flopped. Then they made MoS and late in the game decided that this was the beginning of their new DCEU.

At this point, not only are we getting an over-abundance of Bat characters (Nightwing, Gotham City Sirens etc) but poor Henry Cavill's Superman is dead and even though *spoiler alert* we know he'll be coming back to life in the Justice League movie, he still has no standalone sequel to MoS planned. I wouldn't be surprised if Henry Cavill also exited the role as they have yet to give him something meaty to get his teeth into as Kal-El.

All-in-all, the DCEU is approaching the edge of the cliff. If they aren't careful they'll go over, crash and burn. However they still have (a little) time to steer away from impending doom.

Does that include Pharrell's song "Happy"?

By the way, check out some new trailers that dropped yesterday:

Final trailer for Kong: Skull Island
http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=34307.0

First trailer for Bright (starring Will Smith, written by Max Landies, directed by David Ayer, being released on Netflix in December)
http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=34310.0

"Yo! She-b*tch! Let's go!"

Yes. It's not a practical business decision because they're still making a decent amount of money, but dropping everything then waiting 10 years to start again (with a plan in place) would make me happy. By this time, hopefully Marvel will die down a bit too, so there will be space for DC to jump in and become the new big thing.


Yes. :'(

I hear what your saying, but I think 10 years would be a bit too long. Maybe wait 5? And use that time to have a proper plan in place, one that you will stick to; don't be reactionary according to reception of the movies you release.

And, as I said in my mini-essay (sorry for droning on that long), have an end game in sight as a reason to be making these movies and make sure each movie is a stepping stone towards that. Problem is, Thanos is Marvel's version of Darkseid, so they'll have to do him phenomenally well in order not to be seen to be copying Marvel (even though in publishing terms I think Darkseid came first).

Well I just want 10 because I don't want too much superhero saturation. :D

A break in general is just what I think would be good. Reactionary plans are rarely good, especially with a massive undertaking like building a cinematic universe.

I can't disagree with you on these points, because they are all true. However, I still have high hopes for the DCEU, and I don't think we have as much to worry about as everybody says. The worst that can happen if they have all the movies is that people will not necessarily want to watch them all in theaters. They will still watch them though.

Actually, there is good reason to be fearful. When Superman iV came out it destroyed that early attempt of bringing CBM to the screen. When Batman & Robin came out, it destroyed the second attempt of bringing CBM to the screen. My point is, successively putting out divisive/bad movies will eventually damage the genre as a whole.


I think it's funny. Before Marvel Studios embarked on phase one, so many industry people were saying it was a bad idea, that Marvel were wasting their time and money because a cinematic universe could never succeed (mainly because no-one had ever conceived of it before). And now, EVERY movie studio is looking to make virtually every movie a cinematic universe.

On the one hand, I'm happy that the MCU existed, as I never thought (as a comic fan) that I would ever get to see a movie like the Avengers, GOTG, Dr Strange and Ant-Man. But on the flip side, I feel the success of the MCU has fundamentally altered Hollywood's approach to making movies.

Thoughts? Shared universes: passing fad or here to stay?

I guess we'll see.


I think the cinematic universes will eventually die out. Might be a while, but they will end. What I really want to see is a MCU/DCEU crossover movie. And I want to see it with the actors they have now. Probably wont happen though.

A versus movie or the cinematic adaptation of the Amalgam universe?

I'm not sure what the Amalgam universe is, but I just want to see Henry Cavill, Ben Affleck, and Gal Gadot as their superheroes in a movie with Chris Evans, Robert Downey Jr. and Scarlett Johansson as their superheroes.

I love how revolutionary Marvel was, but I desperately miss when films were complete stories. I was shocked at the climax of JOHN WICK 2 because it was a film that actually had a character make a decision that fundamentally changed the status quo. But at the same time, with the ways movies used to be written, that would happen at the end of the second act, so it could be argued that JOHN WICK 2 is still 2/3's of a movie.

Now everything is like a giant act 1 over and over again so we can keep the wheels spinning and make the universe, but at the cost of good storytelling (like we already had enough problems getting that in the first place!).

So I dunno. I would like it if other studios actually took advantage of the shared universe model to create even more revolutionary storytelling, but it looks like nobody else has even figured out how to create one in the first place. It'll likely stay around for a while, but I hope it passes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalgam_Comics

Can't comment as I haven't seen Johm Wick Chapter 2 yet (lack of funds).

Well, following the "success" of Godzilla, the new Kong movie is a precursor to a Kong vs Godzilla movie.

I know that big budget franchise movies that are successful allow studios to take a chance of smaller original movies (such as Moonlight). I think the way the industry is going we will see more and more low budget and independent films streaming on places like Netflix first leaving the cinema for the big budget spectacles.

I do think that some studios focus too much on the "world building" and not enough on telling a good story. Look at what happened with The Amazing Spiderman 2. So concerned with setting up a Spider movie-verse that they forgot the purpose of any movie, first and foremost is to TELL A GOOD STORY. All the best effects in the world will not make a movie stand the test of time and have people wanting to rewatch it over and over again over years and decades.

It's super, super good despite my minor potential storytelling quibble. On par with the first.

I would actually really like to see Universal's monsters be successful. I think that's a shared universe that could work really well because there's already a history of crossovers.


I don't know if MOONLIGHT is the best example. A24 (an indie distribution company) financed that entirely by themselves (their first time fully financing a production).

As far as smaller movies go, did anyone see THE JUDGE (starring RDJ) or BEFORE WE GO (directed by and starring Chris Evans)? Heck, SILENCE got straight up ignored (mostly due to bad marketing, but people still just don't care about smaller movies).

Streaming services are definitely the place to look. MANCHESTER BY THE SEA's success is astounding, and I hope other platforms choose to follow. LOVE AND FRIENDSHIP was a solid effort from Amazon Studios as well.


Why studios often don't prioritize story:
(http://ci.memecdn.com/8845380.jpg)

Also, the less we talk about TASM 2 the better...

I'm looking for some good movies to watch over summer break. Any suggestions from the movie buffs?

Major milestones/some obscure gems from the past several years:

MOONLIGHT
MANCHESTER BY THE SEA
LA LA LAND
ARRIVAL
MAD MAX: FURY ROAD
SICARIO
CREED
CAROL
EX MACHINA
ROOM
THE HATEFUL EIGHT
TANGERINE
THE GRAND BUDAPEST HOTEL
BOYHOOD
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
WHIPLASH
THE LEGO MOVIE
NIGHTCRAWLER
SELMA
BIRDMAN (I'm not a fan but it's important)
JOHN WICK
GRAVITY
THE WOLF OF WALL STREET
INSIDE LLEWYN DAVIS
THE WORLD'S END
SHORT TERM 12
UPSTREAM COLOR
THE AVENGERS
LOOPER
MOONRISE KINGDOM
THE TREE OF LIFE

I have that hope to, but considering how badly they messed up League of Extraordinary Gentleman, which was tailor made for such a shared universe. And it caused Sean Connery to retire from acting.

I just used Moonlight as an example of a movie with a low budget that could become successful. Probably should have picked a film that was actually affiliated with a big studio to make my point, but you got what I meant (I hope).

With Scorcese making a film for Netflix and the Max Landis written Will Smith starring David Ayer directed film being released on Netflix in December, it seems that streaming services are definitely looking to attract some serious talent to make good amazing original content.

That, and sometimes pandering too much to what they think "demographics" will like. It's a rare movie that can hit all four quadrants (for those who don't know what they four quadrants are: male/female/old/young).

Indeed.

What kind of movies do you like? (as in genre)

I do get it. I was just arguing semantics. :D

I also jump at the chance to talk about A24 because they're currently my favorite studio and I'd loooooooooove to work for them.

Max wrote Bright...makes sense

Quickest way to be sent to the naughty step, young man!

Out of this list, the ones underlined are the ones I would suggest first. Although i think you should eventually get around to watching all of them (some I haven't underlined as I assume people will have already seen them, like GOTG and The Avengers)

Holy crap that's a really good parsing down you did there. :o

Yep. I try not to overwhelm people's decision circuits by giving them too much too soon. Sometimes less is more, plus (as Nicholas Meyers told Ricardo Montalban during the filming of Wrath of Khan), never show them your top as then they know you haven't got anywhere to go. Same when recommending movies. If you give out all your best stuff right off the bat, you don't leave yourself anyway to go when they come back asking for more stuff to watch.

I'm probably watching in the order of "Whatever is on Netflix and Amazon that I don't have to pay for first." :D

So any genres you particular like? Or don't like? (I know a few people on the forum who don't like horror).

I like all genres. My only real criteria is nothing with subtitles. Foreign films are fine, so long as I can find an English dub, or they're already filmed in English.

I'm curious. Is there a particular reason you don't like subtitles? (Always nice to understand a different point of view on such a topic)

They really screw with my ADHD. I get overwhelmed easily.

Ah. Ok. Good reason.

*edit*
It has been confirmed that Mel Gibson has entered into talks to direct Suicide Squad 2. Thoughts people?

Well I just watched Suicide Squad, but I haven't seen anything directed by Gibson or him as an actor yet.

That seems like an odd marriage

I know, right. It could be good, because Mel is a great director. I posted the following on another thread when this news was initially reported as speculation:

Here is my take. Firstly, I am going to separate the "art" from the "artist". We all know about the trouble he went through a few years ago. However, when you put that to one side, Mel Gibson the director has made some damn fine movies (Apocalypto, Braveheart, Hacksaw Ridge, The Passion of the Christ). So, as a director, he has the skills to make a good movie. The deciding factor will be Warner Bros and how much they are going to interfere during the creative process.

Look at the Ben Affleck situaiton; a talented director who has made an Oscar winning movie and WB execs suffering from 'too many cooks" syndrome have made him step down from directing the Batman. David Ayer who directed Suicide Squad didn't even edit most of the theatrical released movie (a movie trailer editing company made the final cut of the movie). David Ayer was micro-managed and bullied during the film making process and we saw what the end product was. I think this is because of the "too many cooks" syndrome currently prevalent at WB with their comic book movies.

Some people will say that Mel is wrong because he is not a "comic book" person. Let us remember that neither was Christopher Nolan. Nolan has gone on record stating he was never a fan of comic books and superheroes. However, back then WB let Nolan make the movies the way he wanted.

So, would Mel be able to make a good Suicide Squad movie? Yes. Will WB allow Mel to make the movie he wants to make? Given their current track record, I would say no. They will interfere and not learn from their mistakes. However, given the way things seem to be over at WB right now with their superhero movies, I would be very surprised it Mel signed on (unless he was guaranteed final cut of the film).

Since then, WB has confirmed Matt Reeves as the new director on the Batman standalone movie, despite reports of them angrily storming away from the table during negotiations. It is definitely a leftfield choice for director, however, let us not forget that even though Mel has been quite vocal about his dislike of comic book movies, one of his close friends is director George Miller, who almost directed Justice League Dark a few years (before the studio pulled the plus on that idea). I think maybe George spoke to Mel about comic book movies and convinced him to at least talk to WB. Also, Mel has worked with WB for many many years, so already knows how they work. And, more importantly, they know how Mel works. So, maybe the situation that happened on the first Suicide Squad won't happen this time, if Mel comes onboard.

I'll be following this with interest.

...well you need to remedy that then. 

Indeed he does. Best Mel Gibson movies for a youngling (who loves action) to start with?

I'm thinking Lethal Weapon, Mad Max 2, Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome and Payback

In terms of films Mel has directed: it's got to be BRAVEHEART!

That being said, if they give him the Nolan treatment, could be interesting, but I just don't see it happening. The styles, odd. I'm kinda dumbfounded. What the hell are they doing over there?? Like they're hiring big names, but not the right moves. I don't know. I need to stew on this more. I'm a DC fan more. This is frustrating, cuz I just don't know. Zach Snyder was supposed to do wonders but good God, it's a comedy of errors over there

For all the criticisms that Zack Synder receives (not from me, just in general) I will say this, his movies always look AMAZING! As a visual storyteller/cinematographer, his sh*t is on point (Watchmen, 300, Sucker Punch). His major weakness is the actual storytelling. I think if they keep Zack on to focus on the visuals, and then let other people direct and work on the stories, DC might make some great movies.

Zack's true calling is as a DP.

Definitely. You can't fault his eye for visuals.

Yeah no doubt. The optics are amazing in his films. I liked Suckerpunch

It's not the greatest movie ever and has been heavily criticised for it's overall sexist and misogynistic undertones. Despite all that though, the settings for each battle "sequence" is pure imagination brilliance, which reinforces my assertion that Zack Synder should focus on being a director of photography.
 

Truer words have never been spoken

Giving you a point, partly for the comment and partly to bring you up to 200.

Some information about Logan and the upcoming X-movies
http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=34334.new#new

Apparently, David Harbour (the sheriff from Stranger Things) is in talks to play Cable in Deadpool 2. I am still hoping they just realise that SLANG (Stephen Lang) not only looks like Cable, but actually IS Cable in real life.

Also, New Line Cinema (that house that Freddy built, as they brought us A Nightmare on Elm Street) are to make a horror movie based in the universe of The Wizard of Oz. I cannot WAIT to hear more about this project.

Are there any upcoming movies you guys think are essential viewing, that I should probably spend my money and go see?

Essential in red. If you have time/money is underlined. I didn't go past June, as that would be a little extreme and I don't want to overwhelm you with stuff.

Mar 3 - Logan
Mar 10 - Kong: Skull Island
Mar 17 - Beauty and the Beast
Mar 24 - Power Rangers
Mar 31 - Ghost in the Shell

Apr 14 - The Fate of the Furious
Apr 28 - The Circle

May 5 - Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2
May 19 - Alien: Covenant
May 26 - Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales
May 26 - Baywatch

Jun 2 - Wonder Woman
Jun 9 - The Mummy
Jun 23 - Transformers: The Last Knight
Jun 30 - Despicable Me 3

Aren't you the one always teasing Calon about only watching Superhero stuff? ;)

Yep. Because he's more variety in his life (and more fibre in his diet).

TJ already has variety, hence my suggestions. One size does not fit all when it comes to movie suggestions.

HOW COULD YOU TURN YOUR BACK ON FAMILY, KNOX?!

Fixed it for ya.

You've lost me. Which family? Oh that family. To confess,  haven't been excited to see one of those in the cinema since number 5

Actually, this is the fixed version. Granted, I haven't seen BvS yet.

Everyone else is doing it, so here is my fixed version.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/04/article-2273101-17551228000005DC-840_306x342.jpg)

Now there's a "What If?".  Can't wait to see Logan . . .


http://screenrant.com/hugh-jackman-x-men-origins-wolverine-quit/


I'm actually pretty much in lockstep with Knox's list of Essentials in Red.


Though - I will also confess to having a bizarre curiousty about the Tom Cruise Mummy movie . . . logic (and the key involvement of Alex Kurtman) tell me to run like hell away from it, but for some reason I think it will be a surprise treat.  Also, Sofia Boutella rocks, so . . .

I mean, I would too.

As someone who had to be bullied out of wanting to be Wonder Woman when we played super heroes I'm DEFINITELY seeing it.

As someone who grew up watching the original Universal monster movies and Hammer horror, I am very curious about Cruise's Mummy as the first entry in a shared monsters cinematic universe. The trailer was intriguing, albeit slightly confusing. And if the casting for the other upcoming movies is anything to go by (Russel Crowe as Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde, Johnny Depp as The Invisible Man, ScarJo possibly being in The Creature from the Black Lagoon and Angeline Jolie in The Bride of Frankenstein) then Universal are swinging for the fences with these new movies. I just hope they don't fall into the old trap of focussing so much on a shared universe that they forget to tell a good story in the actual standalone movies.

Just finished watching Deadpool.

Unpopular opinion: wasn't impressed. Best part of the movie was his girlfriend Vanessa. She's hot!!

Way to boil a funny and violent movie all the way down to a single thing! However, I know a few (rare) people who didn't enjoy the movie. And that's fine. I actually remember seeing four people leave the cinema during the screening and not come back, they were that unimpressed.

However, having an unpopular opinion is just as valid as a popular one.

That's right.

It had it's funny parts, alot of violence, swearing. Not bothered by that at all. Just kinda boring and to in your face, trying too hard. The jokes were forced alot, like premeditated, not spur of the moment. But when he forgot his bag of guns, I almost lost it laughing!

It's a fairly accurate translation of the character from the comics. Some people like it, some people didn't. Personally, not only was it one of the best comic book movies of 2016 but i think it's one of the best comic book movies ever, precisely because of all the OTT violence, excessive swearing and the jokes (which I felt flowed naturally). Since buying it on bluray I've seen it at least 10 times.

It's a shame you didn't enjoy it on the same level as everyone has, but these things happen. As I always say, movies are subjective. There are no right or wrong opinions.

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Sorry, I should have clarifiedL  having an unpopular opinion is just as valid as a popular one (once you're 18)  ;) :D

Then again, I had a piss day, so I might not have been in the right mood. I went it mostly optimistic. I saw his girl Vanessa, and I was like "Oh, okay..Things are looking up!" But just eh.. I'll give it another shot another day when the blood is flowing better

Yeah, definitely need to be in a good frame of mind before you watch it.

There really is no middle ground with Deadpool as a character..you like him or don't.  As Knox said, the film was quite faithful to the character.

Much more so than his previous incarnation (which I'm so glad they took the p*ss out of in the movie).

I think it's about time for a good Fantastic Four movie. And one where their origin story is correct, and their first villain isn't Dr. Doom.

Everyone has been saying that for years. Unfortunately, as long as Fox owns the movie rights to the characters that will never happen. They've had three attempts so far and messed them all up. Until then, we still have The Incredibles, the closest we'll get to a great Fantastic Four movie for the time being

Good Luck on that.  To be Honest, I never cared for the FF...its the Villains they bring to the table that make me wish they were in the MCU.  Doom and Galactus being the main two.

They do have some great villains. And Anit-heroes. Namor is one of them. I also really liked when Doom would team up with Namor or Silver Surfer.

Funny enough, apparently Marvel has the film rights to Namor

But like with the hulk, I think Universal owns the distribution rights, which means we will never have a standalone Namor film, but he can appear in other people's movies.

I think the FF could work in the MCU. However, I want them to get the rights back mainly for their villains - Silver Surfer, Galactus, Dr Doom, The Skrulls, The Super Skrulls.....

Logan threw me off. 1st Marvel movie without a post credit scene.

I really want to see Namor. I also wish Quicksilver wouldn't have died in A:AOU.

Don't forget Mole Man.  :D

There aree rumours that Namor may appear in a future MCU movie very soon. I think they are looking at casting an oriental actor in the role, which I think would be very cool.

And, yes Quicksilver died, but they could bring him back (Dr Strange opens a portal to an alternate Earth during Infinity war and recruits an alternate Quicksilver to join in the battle against Thanos. Just an example of how they could bring him back. But they won't as one of the criticisms levelled at the MCU is that no-one dies. Or stays dead).

Well he's the one character besides Cap that they should never have killed. (Yes, I know Cap isn't dead yet.)

Why is he the "one" character that shouldn't have been killed?

Because he was awesome. And one of the only Marvel speedsters.

Oh! So it's from a personal preference rather than an essential plot standpoint.

I think the real reason they killed him, apart from it being unexpected, was just to prevent continued comparisons with Fox's Quicksilver. I know that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are jointly owned by Fox and the MCU (in movie terms) but I think there is a reason Scarlet Witch hasn't appeared in the X-movies yet. Same reason MCU Quicksilver was killed. They want the characters used to be unique to their respective movies.

Since SW and QS are both Avengers, MCU has some rights to them. But at the same time Fox has some rights because they are also X-Men. I haven't watched the X-Men movies yet, but from the trailers, I am thinking that I'll still like MCU QS better.

As I said, both Fox and the MCU share movie rights to use the characters, because while they are heavily tied to the X-Men, as you said, they have also been Avengers in the comics. However, the MCU cannot use the word "mutant" or refer to Magneto being their father.

My point is, though, while both the MCU and Fox CAN use both characters, in terms of clarity for non-comic book reading cinema goers and in an effort to be original and distinct, that is why Quicksilver died in AOU and why Fox have yet to use or even mention Scarlet Witch.

I totally understand your love for AOU Quicksilver, but trust me, Fox's version is much better. They are both good in their respective films, but there is one scene in particular in X-Men: Days of Future Past that elevates Fox's version far above the MCU version (and any other speedster depicted in tv or film thus far). No spoilers, but you'll know the scene I mean once you see the movie.

I grew up watching Lon Chaney Jr, Bela Lugosi, Boris Karloff, Peter Cushing & Christopher Lee.

So I'd love this to be good. 

But . . . again . . . this is from the guy that WROTE the stories & screenplays for Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen & Amazing Spider-Man 2 . . . so . . . ugh.


NOTE:  Oh wait.  He's only Directing and had nothing (directly) to do with the story & script.  That was Jon Spaights & Christopher McQuarrie.

"So you're telling me there's a chance!"

The legends of the genre. And those movies are still as great and atmospheric today as ever.

Judging from the trailer The Mummy with Mr Cruise, it looks like they are relying on CGI effects and action to tell the story again. I just hope they have a good story.

Thankfully Tom Cruise insisted they do some things for real . . . this was a cool story:


http://collider.com/the-mummy-tom-cruise-vfx/

Yeah, I heard about that. I'm still not sold on the movie yet. Maybe I will be once I see another trailer/some more footage

Personally, I think Van Helsing has a fantastic premise, a great cast, and incredible music. Every monster shown was awesome (Frankenstein's monster was a particularly good take) except for one.

Dracula himself. Mein Gott what a scheisse-show of a performance. He seemed less menacing evil and more drama queen with sharp teeth.

You know it was originally supposed to be a Sequel to Bram Stoker's Dracula with Anthony Hopkins reprising his role as Van Helsing...but we see what happened.





Marvel is really sticking to Fox from the comics in choking the Mutants in the comic universe..I mean heck QS and Scarlet Witch aren't even mutants any,more

You don't add a post-credits with that kind of ending.

Well, since it's not an MCU film shouldn't really expect it to.  Fox only started doing it after the MCU films did

Actually...always was one in the x-men films. They all had one. Like a Marvel fingerprint.

I thought the first X-film with a post credit scene was X-Men 3. And then they didn't even acknowledge it ever again.

I do think it's funny how since the MCU we almost expect so.many movies to have a post-credit scene. Marvel were not the first film to do post-cresdit scenes. However, considering how many people make contributions to films getting made these days, it's nice that more people are staying through the credits

as Knox said, X3 was the first to have a post credit scene.


It still baffles me how after almost a decade, people STILL get up and leave the credits of a MCU film.

Yes met a few that never realised there was a post credit scene. Still think Deadpool had the best one.

Also, Fox have confirmed that the X-films do not take place in the same universe hence all the continuity errors. Taking that into account post-credit scenes aren't strictly needed.

Muggles

Any homage to Ferris Bueller is a good thing

I usually watch the credits on any movie for a while. Mostly because I have a great respect for the amount of time that gets put into a movie. Partly because I want to listen to the awesome music that is at the end of all movies. And partly because I wan't to see the after scene if there is one.


IKR. It makes no sense to me.

First look at Emily Blunt as Mary Poppins (looking a little Agent Cartery, which isn't a bad thing)

Julie Andrews on the left, Ms Blunt on the right.
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I was actually a bit skeptical about this sequel when it was first announced, but all that changed once I heard they had cast Emily Blunt as the bestest nanny in the world. Could there be any more perfect casting? And the fact they have good ol' Dick Van Dyke back too, as well as Julie Andrews in a small role, is awesome too.

I'm wary about this one..mostly because I'm not a huge fan of Emily Blunt.  But as usual, we'll see.

You don't like Emily? How come?

Just find her a rather unimpressive actress, not bad by any means, just not to the level everyone else seems to put her at.  Certainly no Julie Andrews.

Fair enough. I disagree, but I respect your opinion.
I loved her in The Adjustment Bureau. Great little movie

June 1982 was the greatest month for sci-fi movie releases in the history of cinema. Ever. In this one month alone the following movies were released:

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
ET: The Extra-Terrstrial
Blade Runner
The Thing

(and also Poltergeist, which is horror, but one of the best horror movies ever made)

Unpopular Opinion:

Sucker Punch is one of the greatest movies ever made.

Yep. Very unpopular opinion. In terms of just being a movie. In terms of imaginative fight sequences and cinematography, then yes, Sucker Punch is amazing.

However, you cannot ignore the blatant and very well documented sexism and misogyny that the movie contains.

I mentioned somewhere earlier on the thread that Zack Synder's true calling is as a director of photography. For all the criticisms levelled at his movies, his cinematography and visuals are ALWAYS on point. His failings are in storytelling and narrative.

Trying to steal my thunder? :P

Isn't the Sexism and misogyny the main plot point...that the girls are being used.

There are ways to portray those things in a movie without it being exploitative, which (whether intentional or not) Sucker Punch comes across. Which is not good.

In our earlier conversation I said cinematographer then you came in with DP, but they are essentially the same thing

Exactly, the exploitation is wholly part of the narrative.

I'm talking about execution of it though. For all intents purposes, whether people are willing to admit it, Sucker Punch comes across as pandering to teenage fanboys in the worst ways. None of the characters has a strong arc. None of the female characters is particularly strong or compelling to watch (in ways like Ripley in Alien is or Sarah Connor in Terminator is).

As I said, I understand what Synder was trying to do, but his execution fell way way short of the mark. Case in point, I have yet to meet or have a discussion with a female film fan or female member of the geek community who likes that movie. Or will try and defend the supposed exploitation narrative. Admittedly I haven't spoken to every female in the world, but when you read articles online about and see comments in the comments section from women, they are never positive.

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Thanks LB. Also, check out this link that discusses primarily with the depiction of women in the film and the criticisms it drew.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucker_Punch_(2011_film)#Depiction_of_women

Eh..we'll leave it at this... people will find any reason to claim objectification or sexism.  Don't like?  shut up and watch something else.  I'm out for the night.

There may be times when those claims are a bit far-fetched. However, with regards to Sucker Punch, those claims are very well-founded.

I'm not knocking anyone for liking the movie. I'm just trying to highlight that the movie has been heavily criticised for it's depiction of women and attitude towards sexual violence of women. And that is going to be the last thing I say on this subject, lest we end up going down a rabbit-hole that is inappropriate on the forum.

I'm gonna start a new thing here, one that hopefully people will enjoy:

LB's Hipster Movie of the Week

Every Sunday I'll choose one slightly obscure/not very well known movie that I either watched recently or have been thinking about, and share it with everyone here. To get an idea of how obscure I'll be going, I won't be sharing any recent blockbusters, movies that won a lot of Oscar awards, or bona fide classics, but I will share recent films that went under the radar or a small part of film history. Nothing crazy though, like some indie movie that's only playing at 2 festivals or one of the lesser-known works of Catherine Breillat.

For example: if I were to share a Martin Scorsese movie, I wouldn't choose TAXI DRIVER, THE DEPARTED, or THE WOLF OF WALL STREET, but MEAN STREETS, KUNDUN, and SHUTTER ISLAND are totally up for grabs.

I'll also include a trailer (or poster, if not available), IMDb synopsis, the writer and director, top-billed actors, ratings information for those concerned about content, and where to stream the film.

For my first choice I'm going to honor the release of LOGAN and choose a superhero movie:

THE PHANTOM (1996)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylMVvzQrrII

IMDb Synopsis: The Phantom, descendent of a line of African superheroes, travels to New York City to thwart a wealthy criminal genius from obtaining three magic skulls which would give him the secret to ultimate power.

Starring: Billy Zane
Kristy Swanson
Treat Williams

Directed by: Simon Wincer

Written by: Jeffrey Boam

MPAA Rating: PG

Available on: Netflix
Vudu from $2.99
Amazon Video from $2.99
YouTube from $2.99

Firstly, i LOVE THIS IDEA. Secondly, one suggestion if you don't mind? Maybe include who stars in the movie as well?

And The Phantom is (almost) up there on the same level as Flash Gordon, The Shadow and The Rocketeer.

Good suggestion. Post edited!

It's a super solid and fun movie. Perfect for any lazy Sunday afternoon. ;D

It was also part of the era of superhero movies when studio execs wanted to cash in on the success of BATMAN (1989), but weren't familiar enough with modern superheroes to make anything really successful, hence why you see the Phantom, Rocketeer, and Shadow as the heroes chosen to adapt.

Plus the technology just wasn't there to successfully make some of the superhero movies (imagine X-Men or The Avengers done in the 90s! *shudders to think*).

Just thought of another two movies for the list that you just mentioned: Darkman and Dick Tracy

I LOVE DARKMAN. Haven't seen DICK TRACY yet, but DARKMAN is one of many great works from the incomparable Sam Raimi (who, along with Charlie Kaufman, is my favorite filmmaker).

Dick Tracy is one of the better 90s adaptation of characters from pulp comics. Warren Beatty is perfect as Tracy, Madonna gives a suitably seductive performance, and the prosthetic make-up on everyone is incredible (took me years to realise the bad guy was Al Pacino!).

Anyway, back to The Phantom. I first knew of the character from the kids tv show Defenders of the Earth (that also had Flash Gordon in it!). When I heard they were making it into a movie, I was hella excited. Like you said, it's a good movie to pass a lazy Sunday afternoon watching, followed maybe by a couple episodes of Young Indiana Jones Chronicles (which I clearly remember doing one Sunday back in the day).

My first exposure was in old newspaper comics when I was very young. My grandpa would always get this newspaper that would run old strips (or modern versions of them) along with recent ones. I was too young to be excited about the movie when it came out, but I watched it a couple years ago based on a recommendation from one of my favorite film critics and super loved it.

Was that The Nostalgia Critic?

I remember those newspaper strips, but they never included The Phantom. The UK has it's own long history of newspaper strip cartoons, so I read those. Although, my dad is Jamaican, and he used to read The Phantom et al.

No, FILM CRIT HULK. I'm not the biggest fan of Nostalgia Critic.

Never heard of him, but i'll check him out. I like a lot of NC's stuff. Not all of it, but enough that I subscribed to his channel.

As a fan of cinematography have you watched any of the videos from Wolf Crow? They're pretty good.

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Interesting news topics from the world of movies:

Disney are rebooting Tron with a brand new movie, rather than continuing on from Tron: Legacy. Jared Leto may star in the new movie.

Tron has been on my Netflix list for ages.

Which one/ Original or sequel?

Assuming Legacy (2010) is the sequel, both.

Yes, Legacy is the sequel. The original, simply called Tron, came out in 1982 I believe, and was ground-breaking at the time for it's use of computer graphics. They may seem hokey (or retro cool) nowadays, but back then, they blew audiences minds. It's nice seeing which movies pushed the possibilities and broke the boundaries of what was achievable.

So I should watch them soon.

He's super, super good. His articles can be long and his "all-caps" schtick can take some getting used to (although he's dropped it recently), but he's very, very thorough in his analyses. In case you're wondering, I can also confirm he's a real person, because I've met someone that knows him!

I watch Wolf Crow occasionally, but Every Frame A Painting and Nerdwriter are my favorite video essayists.

As far as TRON goes: ew, Jared Leto.

LOVE Every Frame and Nerdwriter. So many great channels on youtube about movies. LoAds of bad ones too, but the good ones are amazing.

I haven't gotten to watch Tron or Tron: Legacy, but my brother got to watch Legacy in theaters. I still want to watch it.

almost forgot, Doctor Strange came out on dvd. had to buy it.

Alright, I'm not gonna link it here because it's red-band and therefore inappropriate for the forum, but everyone needs to go check out the trailer for ATOMIC BLONDE right now!

It's directed by David Leitch (one of the two directors of JOHN WICK), and stars Charlize Theron as an MI6 agent sent undercover to Cold War Berlin to investigate the murder of another agent and uncover a string of double agents within the organization. It's also got Sofia Boutella, James McAvoy, John Goodman, and Toby Jones.

Here's a still:

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And a poster:

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From the trailer alone, it looks like we're getting another heaping of JOHN WICK-style action (which I have mixed thoughts on because, on the one hand, IT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME!!! ;D On the other hand, it looks exactly the same :-\). It comes out July 28th (unless you're lucky enough to attend the SXSW film festival this weekend) and I cannot wait. ;D

There's this French movie that came out in 2016 called Raw.

I only just recently saw the trailer for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFlXVX2af_Y

Apparently, it's "Rated R for body-eating, buckets of blood and a spectacularly botched Brazilian wax. In French, with English subtitles. Running time: 1 hour 38 minutes."

Sounds like my kind of party.

I heard of this yesterday. Cannabalism and just weird stuff

I've heard amazing things about it from festivals last year, and it's getting a limited release this weekend!

Indeed. There are reports that at TIFF (Toronto International Film Festival) last year people passed out at showings of Raw because some scenes were so gross. It's  French film (so expect subtitles) set in a veterinarian school and (apparently) continues the low budget horror film renaissance that as been happening over the past couple of years.

Am very jealous that you guys get to see this way before the UK.

I'm currently on my way home after my hardcore three picture cinema watching extravaganza. Gonna fit in a 1 hour power nap, shower and change before heading out to the club to meet my friends (the "true" party people never get to the club before 3am!  8))

It just became Sunday for me, so time for the second edition of LB's Hipster Movie of the Week.

KONG: SKULL ISLAND is out. Some have seen it, others (like me) haven't, but hopefully what we all have in common is a love (or at least a passing interest) in monster movies. For my pick this week, I'm going with one of my favorite (and one of the most hated) Godzilla movies:

GODZILLA VS. HEDORAH (1971)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnROEX-M-zM

Starring: Akira Yamauchi
Toshie Kimura
Hiroyuki Kawase

Directed by: Yoshimitsu Banno

Written by: Yoshimitsu Banno
Takeshi Kimura (credited as "Kaoru Mabuchi")

MPAA Rating: PG

Available on: Oddly enough, not anywhere currently!

What are some of your favorite Godzilla movies?

Quick little addendum to LB's post, G vs H may not be available to stream anywhere, but it is available to buy on dvd. As great as online streaming services may be, physical media still has a part to play.
https://www.amazon.com/Godzilla-Vs-Hedorah-Akira-Yamauchi/dp/B0002V7OEM

I was always a fan on Godzilla vs Mothra, Godzilla vs MechaGodzilla and the cheesy men-in-rubber-suits awesomeness that was Godzilla vs King Kong.

Now you'll get to see all that with modern effects

But...but...but...men-in-rubber-suits rolling around on unrealistic looking countryside sets is awesome. Why can't we have more of that? Think of how much money they could save! ;D

Rubber suits definitely have their own charm. :D

If any kaiju get into these new movies though, I REALLY want to see King Ghidorah. Rodan would be super cool too. I know Mothra is a big opponent of Godzilla's but, aside from their island, the monster itself is kind of boring.

Haven't seen Kong: Skull Island yet?

I was going to go today, but as I only got home from a night out at 10am, I decided to get some sleep and rest today and go see the movie tomorrow (plus i've already seen 5 movies at the cinema this weekend, so this one can wait one more day).

FYI...there is a post credit scene and I think LB will enjoy it.  Sorry if you've mentioned it and I missed it, but what did you see this weekend?

I heard that if you read the end credits it ruins the end credit scene.

On Friday I saw Logan and Split. Yesterday i saw Lego Batman, Hidden Figures and John Wick 2

No I haven't and I dunno if I will until I can rent it (budgetary reasons :-\). I'll be anxiously awaiting this post-credits scene I keep hearing about though (pretty sure I can venture a guess that it pertains to a monster universe or something).

LOL, yea it does.   Logan was awesome, really want to see split and John Wick 2


You won't be disapointed I think

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Two thoughts have just occurred to me while thinking about the latest Wonder Woman trailer:

1- Is she going to fly in the movie?

2- The line "She must never know the truth about what she is". Are they going to honour her being a creation of the Gods or are they going to change her origin and make her be descended from an alien race? (I have heard rumours that the ancient Kryptonian ships could be the source of the Amazon race and the Atlanteans).

Question: At what age did your parents first allow you to go to the cinema without them (and what did you see?)

For me, I was 14 and myself a big group of friends went to see The Addams Family

I was 15, it was the summer of 1992, and I went to see Patriot Games. Loved the books, wasn't too thrilled with the movie.

In retrospect, the theater employees were pretty lax for letting an unaccompanied 15 year old in to see an R-rated movie.

I suppose we're lucky in the UK, as we have 15 and 18 rating which covers what you guys class as R Rating. Gives a lot more leeway for viewing options.

I remember going to see Wayne's World with some mates and half of them getting thrown out for singing and head-banging a little bit too much. Well, that and throwing popcorn around too! LOL

Oh gosh, I can't remember. I went pretty often with friends around 13, so sometime then.

The biggest major movie milestones I remember are BRAVEHEART being my first R movie (I think I was 12? And my dad still skipped the sex scene, which to this day I have not seen), PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN being the only movie I've walked out on (I was young and got scared), and EVIL DEAD (the remake) being the first one I saw alone.

The first film I saw with someone other than my Parents was the Scorpion King (actually me and my wife's first official date).  I was 18.  It wasn't so much that my parents wouldn't have allowed me to see films bymyself  before that, they were just my only means of transportation :p


Pardon my curiosity, but if you were 12 when Braveheart was released, would that not make you at least 20 when Pirates of the Caribbean came out.

I saw it much, much later than its theatrical release. I'm talking about a home viewing.

I'm also notoriously bad at estimating my age/when things happened, because everything before high school is a blur. :D

Ah, since we were talking about theatrical viewings I misunderstood.   

No worries! I should've been more clear. In context of the conversation I can see how it would be easy to misunderstand me.

I just realised how few movies I actually saw at the cinema before I was 18. I would say a good 95% or more were on tv or home video rental. Funny that.

1. I hope so.

2. More of that she is the daughter of Ares rather than Zeus.


I honestly don't remember, though I could probably figure it out.

I think it was How To Train Your Dragon 2. Not positive about that though.

No offence, but how can you not remember? It's not as though you are old and crusty and your memory is going!  :D

Because movies aren't a main priority?

I think the first time I went to the theatre alone was to see Star Trek Beyond when I was 14. I'm pretty sure I've been to another film alone, but I can't remember.

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What? It wasn't even a superhero movie.

WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT RIGHT NOW!!!!  :P

Addendum/clarification: they're not a main priority for Taegin.

Well........they should be!  ;D LOL

I'm just joking. However, I was just surprised by his statement.

Question of the day:

In your opinion, what is the most important superhero movie ever and why?

Personally, and it may seem cliched, obvious and over-used, but I would say Superman 1978. I would say, without that movie we wouldn't have comic book movies to same degree of regularity and popularity as we do today.

Exactly this. While I do love movies, there are other things more important to me. Things like family, friends, school, Lightsabers, etc.


Hard to say. But for me I feel like it is Captain America: The First Avenger. It is the first time we saw Cap, and I have always loved Cap. Probably my inner patriotism, but he just embodies everything that I want America to be. This is just my opinion, so please don't get mad at me for saying this, but Cap is the best superhero ever. And not just for being an American, there are other reasons as well that are not permitted on the forum.

It's only cliché because it's true! The fact that BATMAN BEGINS has a similar story structure and that it's been mentioned as an inspiration in interviews for WONDER WOMAN only reinforces this.

Good enough reasons, although that is more why it is important to you, rather than overall. But both approaches are equally valid. I'm curious at to  whether you've been reading the recent comics where it has been revealed that Cap is actually a secret double agent for Hydra?

Also, the iconic running and opening a shirt to reveal a costume underneath.....

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Point, I agree.   Superman 1978 is still my favorite Superhero film of all time.  No one has yet embodied the spirit of the Big Blue Boy Scout like Christopher Reeve.  Tyler Holchien was very close though.

This is one of my Prized Collectibles

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sooooooooooooooooo jealous

Probably shouldn't mention I have the Keaton Batman hot toy as well  ;D

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She's cute. :P

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Of importance, not best, but what got the "love" for comic book hero movies started, therefore making it important, would be Tobey Maguire's Spiderman, and/or it's franchise. Superman the Movie was great, and so was Batman, but many long stretches without anything. The success of Spidey invigorated the comic book industry to create more film franchises, thus, casting out(unsuccessfully) Hulk before they hit gold with Ironman

Edit: realized afterwards it said Superhero, not comic hero. So much talk of comic movies I became auto piloted to the answer.

She's not. :D

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Point.

SXSW reviews for ATOMIC BLONDE aren't good. :'(

so does the new Iron Fist series on Netflix count as a movie or just Marvel in general?

It's officially part of the MCU, just a self-contained "street level" series, same as Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. They'll all be teaming up for a series called the Defenders soon.

It has been reported that WB are thinking of rebooting/remaking The Matrix. WITHOUT the involvement of the Wachowsi siblings and WITHOUT the involvement of Keanu Reeves. Zac Penn may be writing the script with early reports saying the studio wants Michael B Jordan to star.

What are our thoughts? Is it a good idea to reboot/remake The Matrix or should they leave well enough alone?

I'm mixed. On the one hand, I think there's a lot in the universe they could still explore. On the other hand, I'm tired of reboots/remakes. On the most important hand, I loooooove Michael B. Jordan.

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I too am mixed.  The Matrix is certainly one of those Franchises that could be redone every so often and work...but not now.  Those of us who were teens when it came out are not even in out 40s yet...give us time to at least hit 70 before rebooting something.  But I hope Micheal B. Jordan stays as far away from it as possible.   If anything they should cast Will Smith as the intended to in the original. :p

Oh no! Not Will Smith! He'd want his troll kids in it, thus, losing credibility. Jaden Smith...*shudders
Anywho, cool idea of the next "one", the next chapter of the matrix, but it will be picked apart.

Would you be opposed if it was just Will without his kids?

Yeah. I don't think he'd do it, although, for his career, I think he should. He seems so intent on making certain types of films. I'm really surprised he did Suicide Squad.

Every actor knows the instant cool factor and exposure appearing in a comic book movie can give your career, so I wasn't surprised he did Suicide Squad.

I love Michael B Jordan but, personally, i don't think he needs it. He's in the upcoming Black Panther movie. He has just reinvigorated the Rocky franchise with the Creed spin-off as well. His career is going along nicely, so I don't think he wants to take a misstep now.

Considering he said one of his biggest regrets was doing Wild Wild West instead of Accepting the Role of Neo, I think he would do it.  Smith has actually been in a lot of films that don't fit his "style".  He played Satan in Winters Tale and is starring in the Netflix film Bright, which has Orcs, faeries and other fantasy creatures in a Modern setting (which is very close to a story I have been working on for years..dang it)

Max Landis beat you to it

Well technically my story takes place in a "western" setting.

BREAKING NEWS:

Joss Whedon is in advanced talks to join the DCEU to write, produce AND direct a Batgirl movie. Not 100% confirmed yet, but apparently it may almost be a done deal.

What is everyone's thoughts on this?

Giggidy......

I've never been that much of a Batgirl fan, and I would prefer that it be Oracle better, but I'd be willing to give it a shot. Depends on the actress though.

Every time I watch The Road to El Dorado I remember why it is one of (if not the) greatest animated movies ever made.

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I absolutely ADORE Joss Whedon and am really into DC Comics, so I think this is great news.

The thing that makes this project exciting is that there are three different women who've taken up the Batgirl mantle, so... who does he go for? All three of them fit Joss's style. If he were to go for more of a River Tam vibe, then Cassandra Cain would be perfect. If he were to go for witty dialogue, Stephanie Brown would be it. Barbara Gordon is probably the least up his alley, but Gail Simone's terrific run in the New 52 does bring the character slightly closer to Stephanie's personality, so he could use that as inspiration. It's Barbara post-Oracle, so she's not as stuffy, but still has a LOT of baggage. He could have fun with that.

Oh, and it was a total missed opportunity casting Jena Malone in that small role in Batman v Superman, because she would have made for a terrific Barbara Gordon. Emma Stone would also be great for the role, however. And they could cast Andrew Garfield as Nightwing, which would make for a nice TASM reunion of sorts.

JJ has been hired for #9 kill me now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzDIClx-_pY

Give him a chance. You have to remember that it was his first SW, as well as a first in a new trilogy, and it was what the fans (or some of them at least) requested. Depending on where Ep. 8 goes, he could do amazing with it.

May the Lens Flare be with you.  :P

He pissed on his chance with VII. And as far as what fans wanted, I stumbled across the "I hate the new SW" section of YouTube yesterday. WOW!

There were a lot of people asking for another ANH, and that is what he delivered.

Why? If you want ANH, you simply put the disc in the player and BAM! ANH. Even George was initially pissed off at it. Personally I think his "retraction" was simply to keep the peace. Deep down I'm sure he's still saying "F#$%, what have I done?"

George Lucas raped my childhood!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzxV9y1Ba7k

Just for a reference point, how old are you?

Lets get this thread active again.

Just finished watching Kiddnapped, which I absolutely loved. Been a while since I watched it.

Also just finished watching Somewhere in Time. Another great movie, but I hated the ending (maybe not hated, but it was a bit depressing). The story was super good, and I believe that is the first thing I have see Christopher Reeve in (I haven't watched any of his Superman movies yet), was pretty impressed with him as an actor. I am also amazed at how much Brandon Routh and even Henry Cavill both look like Reeve. No wonder they got both got the role of Superman (at different times).