Was Rey using Form 2 (Makashi) when fighting Kylo Ren?

[Iram]

Just curious, did it seem like to any of you that in Star Wars VII Rey used Form 2 (Makashi) when fighting Kylo Ren? She made many lunges/jabs - moves generally associated with Makashi.


"Makashi was described as elegant and focused, and was based on balance and footwork to outmaneuver opponents. Fluidity, precision, and economy of motion were relied on, rather than strength, with Form II bladework heavily utilizing jabs and light cuts rather than hack and slash movements. Overall, the form was at its fore when engaged in combat against a single enemy duelist."
- Taken from "Form II" http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_II/Legends


I mean, I understand that she'd probably never used a lightsaber before, but you've got to admit she did seem coordinated.
Anyways, feel free to give me your thoughts/opinions/agreements/disagreements on the matter



Iram

[Kham-Ryn Kurios]

It really looked like (and this was originally said by someone else here) that she was fighting like Luke in ESB...or was it RoTJ?

She was definitely proficient in the use of her staff and I would imagine that most of her coordination came from that. On top of her adapting those skills, using stabs and jabs is a good way to keep your opponent in front of and away from you.

I think that she was doing the best with what she had. Also, she made great use of her agility to move around the environment. On the other end of the spectrum a certain point it looked like Kylo threw discipline to the wind and just started hacking and slashing like Jason Voorhees; by that I mean swinging his saber like a machete as opposed to an elegant weapon.

[Iram]

It really looked like (and this was originally said by someone else here) that she was fighting like Luke in ESB...or was it RoTJ?

She was definitely proficient in the use of her staff and I would imagine that most of her coordination came from that. On top of her adapting those skills, using stabs and jabs is a good way to keep your opponent in front of and away from you.

I think that she was doing the best with what she had. Also, she made great use of her agility to move around the environment. On the other end of the spectrum a certain point it looked like Kylo threw discipline to the wind and just started hacking and slashing like Jason Voorhees; by that I mean swinging his saber like a machete as opposed to an elegant weapon.

RoTJ I believe, and yes it was interesting to note that after she (apparently) injured Kylo he abandoned all principle and focused on killing her. I can see what you mean by she was doing the best she could with what she had.

[Connah]

yeah kylo did drop all swordmanship for just cutting wildly.....if he were a lumber jack then he was spot on considering the number of trees he felled

[Jev Moldara]

I don't think she was using Makashi. I think she was following the Neo-Zorro methodology.

Original Zorro - "Do you even know how to use a sword?"

Nu-Zorro - "Of course... The pointy end goes into the other man..."

[Landen Se-Sentien]

It looked to me like Kylo was using Form 5, due to the strong, aggressive way he was blocking her attacks and returning the energy back onto her to drive her back and demoralize her. It was obvious he was holding back, though, because he was ordered to bring her to Snoke, so he needed to keep her alive. Very much like how Vader started against Luke in ESB, who was supposed to bring him to Sidious. Once Rey focused, Kylo was caught off guard. Rey then felt, instead of thought, and just went with her instincts and did whatever worked. The specific form seemed to be nonexistent. Ren, due to his injuries, surprise, and lack of focus wasn't able to maintain his form and was beaten easily.

[Iram]

I don't think she was using Makashi. I think she was following the Neo-Zorro methodology.

Original Zorro - "Do you even know how to use a sword?"

Nu-Zorro - "Of course... The pointy end goes into the other man..."

yeah kylo did drop all swordmanship for just cutting wildly.....if he were a lumber jack then he was spot on considering the number of trees he felled

Very true lol

[Iram]

It looked to me like Kylo was using Form 5, due to the strong, aggressive way he was blocking her attacks and returning the energy back onto her to drive her back and demoralize her. It was obvious he was holding back, though, because he was ordered to bring her to Snoke, so he needed to keep her alive. Very much like how Vader started against Luke in ESB, who was supposed to bring him to Sidious. Once Rey focused, Kylo was caught off guard. Rey then felt, instead of thought, and just went with her instincts and did whatever worked. The specific form seemed to be nonexistent. Ren, due to his injuries, surprise, and lack of focus wasn't able to maintain his form and was beaten easily.

All very true, though I was thinking Kylo may have been using a Form 5/Form 7-mix . My reasoning: 1. He (as you've stated) manipulated Rey's attacks and turned them against her and 2. He overall fought relentlessly not caring much for defense which in the end was his undoing.

[Landen Se-Sentien]

All very true, though I was thinking Kylo may have been using a Form 5/Form 7-mix . My reasoning: 1. He (as you've stated) manipulated Rey's attacks and turned them against her and 2. He overall fought relentlessly not caring much for defense which in the end was his undoing.

I thought Form 7 at first too. I think his fight against Finn was more Form 7, no defense at all. Against Rey it was more 5 than 7, though.

[Iram]

I thought Form 7 at first too. I think his fight against Finn was more Form 7, no defense at all. Against Rey it was more 5 than 7, though.

TRUE! I didn't think of it that way.

[ThreadJack]

I think she was just fighting like a noob....which she is.

[KraytDragonPearl]

I think she was just fighting like a noob....which she is.

She may have been a noob to lightsaber combat, but I think that all her years as a scavenger has given her combat experience that has allowed her to hold her own.  I can't wait to see how she progresses in Episode VIII

[ThreadJack]

She may have been a noob to lightsaber combat, but I think that all her years as a scavenger has given her combat experience that has allowed her to hold her own.  I can't wait to see how she progresses in Episode VIII

Yes, but fighting with a staff(her weapon of choice) and fighting with a lightsaber are completely different. Two different weapons.

[KraytDragonPearl]

Yes, but fighting with a staff(her weapon of choice) and fighting with a lightsaber are completely different. Two different weapons.

I totally agree that they are different weapons and fighting styles, however when your life is on the line, you will fight to live, which is why she ultimately prevailed.  Kylo got lazy and disregarded her and she knew that if she didn't fight her hardest she was dead. 

[Landen Se-Sentien]

I'm not so sure she was a complete noob. I have a theory that I won't get into here, but I think she did have some basic, rudimentary lightsaber and Force knowledge. It had been suppressed and reactivated through her interactions with Ren and the saber. That is what allowed her to fight with at least some technique and skill.