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« Reply #1725 on: October 13, 2016, 09:34:24 PM » |
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Darth Tepes
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« Reply #1726 on: October 14, 2016, 01:21:32 AM » |
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Wait, actually?
yes, this bit of trivia has floated around for a while. We know James Earl Jones knew the truth because he had to say the line..but it goes back and forth whether Hamill knew. |
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« Reply #1727 on: October 14, 2016, 01:27:12 AM » |
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"Ben, why didn't you tell me?" takes a whole different emotion, so surely Hamill knew by then.
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« Reply #1728 on: October 14, 2016, 01:33:53 AM » |
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"Ben, why didn't you tell me?" takes a whole different emotion, so surely Hamill knew by then.
The "why didn't you tell me" can still apply to the knowledge Obi-Wan killed his father. Spoiler Alert for the new Vader Comic... It Appears the Tuskan raiders see Vader as a Vengeful god |
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« Reply #1729 on: October 14, 2016, 02:48:42 AM » |
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"Ben, why didn't you tell me?" takes a whole different emotion, so surely Hamill knew by then.
Well when Vader calls out to Luke on the Millennium Falcon "Luke", Luke immediately says "Father!" |
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« Reply #1730 on: October 14, 2016, 03:49:39 AM » |
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I agree, but just to play devil's advocate...who does Hamill think he's talking to when they filmed the scene? Father force ghost?
If they're lying to the actors to keep secrets, I suppose anything is possible. I just felt the performance would be affected in the way he'd ask Ben. If Ben kills Anakin, and Luke doesn't know Anakin turned dark, he'd be angry with Ben. If Vader is Anakin, the sadness played in the line fits. It doesn't fit just Ben killing Luke's father. But, they could've told Hamill anything to get him back to play the scene that way, I suppose.
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The first step to gaining knowledge is recognizing your own ignorance.
Serenity is patient, not passionate satisfaction.
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« Reply #1731 on: October 14, 2016, 08:19:42 AM » |
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From what I remember from interviews, the scripts all have the 'Obi-wan killed your father' line, but Mark Hamill was told what the actual dubbed line was going to be so he could react appropriately. Because the reaction doesn't warrant the line if Obi-wan killed Anakin. Also doesn't give Vader any real headway to getting Luke to come with him. I mean, so Obi-wan killed Luke's father...but what does that make Vader? Doesn't change much other than this man in the suit no longer is Anakin's killer. (The real line still does that, but the implication is much greater with the actual line) In the other scene, when he reacts to Vader with "father", he is alone. They might have kept those lines hidden in the script as well, and just let Hamill and Jones know for the line reading to avoid leaks.
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« Reply #1732 on: October 14, 2016, 05:45:39 PM » |
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My bad. But though it has made for a good exchange of thoughts, I think we have successfully destroyed this would-be trivia. Because unless the third movie was already in the can, the actors would all know when they went to the movie premier.
However, Luke was still in a slight state of shock after his ordeal. Hamill might have been directed to play the scene in a state of mild delirium. But the movie premier would still have made keeping a secret till ROTJ a moot point.
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« Reply #1733 on: October 14, 2016, 08:56:53 PM » |
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What if George kept the "blue for Jedi, red for Sith" lightsaber color scheme throughout the prequels and made Luke the only Jedi in the entire saga with a different color?
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« Reply #1734 on: October 14, 2016, 09:14:09 PM » |
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What if George kept the "blue for Jedi, red for Sith" lightsaber color scheme throughout the prequels and made Luke the only Jedi in the entire saga with a different color?
It would just be one more thing for SW nerds to argue about why it's significant.  |
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« Reply #1735 on: October 14, 2016, 09:32:24 PM » |
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It would just be one more thing for SW nerds to argue about why it's significant.  |
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« Reply #1736 on: October 14, 2016, 09:59:56 PM » |
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What if George kept the "blue for Jedi, red for Sith" lightsaber color scheme throughout the prequels and made Luke the only Jedi in the entire saga with a different color?
Like Mace Windu is the only purple. I don't recall yellow, other than games and later cartoons. We've been pushing the envelope. Maybe we would have anyway. |
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« Reply #1737 on: October 14, 2016, 11:49:32 PM » |
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Like Mace Windu is the only purple. I don't recall yellow, other than games and later cartoons.
We've been pushing the envelope. Maybe we would have anyway.
From what I remember, Sam Jackson asked for his saber to be purple. It's even on camera, him asking Lucas what colors, other than blue and green, do the Jedi use |
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« Reply #1738 on: October 14, 2016, 11:57:36 PM » |
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Yep.
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The first step to gaining knowledge is recognizing your own ignorance.
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« Reply #1739 on: October 15, 2016, 01:38:18 PM » |
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Sam Jackson did indeed request his purple lightsaber, but I wish they hadn't given it to him.  I like the idea of a monastic Jedi Order versus the aggressive Sith, and having blue and red be their uniform colors would have highlighted this difference extremely well and said a lot about the Jedi Order. And then to have Luke arrive in ROTJ with a green lightsaber, something completely different from the binary that we've seen before, further reinforces the fact that he chose his own path to being a Jedi in ROTJ: that of choosing life (which green symbolizes very nicely), mercy, and harmony. IIRC, Yoda and Obi-Wan wanted Luke to kill Vader, continuing the vengeful conflict between the Jedi and Sith that had been going on for who knows how long, but Luke chose to be above it all and go against their wishes. Him being the only one with a green lightsaber would have been such a strong statement; I wish it was that way. But, like with all things Star Wars, not everything goes your way, and I've heard it said that a common trait between many fans is that we're more in love with the idea of Star Wars rather than Star Wars itself. If true, that's not a bad thing though; it's a testament to how good the world-building is. Star Wars captured our imaginations in a way few other stories have, and now we have so many different ways to imagine ourselves in that universe, from video games, to fanfiction, to role-playing. It's really cool that there's this awesome, pulpy sci-fi universe that's so massive it can fit all of our imaginations and then some, and we all get to be a part of it. Star Wars is pretty awesome, guys. |
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