That "I" think was the issue. It should have been "WWGD" What would George Do. Then go from there. This is why Willy Wonka didn't want an adult to win his factory.
Precisely. The success of the franchise was due to ONE man's vision. He may not have directed all, but (if I'm not mistaken) he wrote all. At least the movies.
Think about this..... How many Female villains can you name from Disney SW. Not antagonists..... Ventress, Mother Talzin, Admiral Sloan, Bo Katan even Governor Pryce weren't true villains.
Kathleen Kennedy.......Oh wait you mean within the story? I assume 7th Sister also doesn't count because she was one of Vader's lackeys?
I'm still not so sure about this.
Maybe it's because feminism is more laidback in m'y country or because social justice isn't that Big.
But I see the lack of vision more as incompetence than political agenda.
I don't mind strong women Heroes or gay heroes. As long as they are well written characters. And that's the problem I have with their movies. Badly written characters and poor storytelling.
If you were more familiar with the social climate in the US, you would probably see it better.
Lets say A writer is hired to craft a new story within an established universe. Animals are the main characters and the majority of the heroes have been Dogs. The writer thinks Mice have been not represented enough so they want the new hero to be a mouse...nothing really wrong here yet. The writer wants to make sure the Mouse hero is on the same pedestal as the dog heroes...or even higher. They begin to write and that agenda starts seeping into their writing. They give their Mouse great powers and abilities...without much or any explanation to force them into the same realm of characters who have been established for decades. Then make the established dog characters make stupid mistakes that go against their character. They also write very soft trials for the mouse because they feel Mice have been through enough IRL. The result is a mouse who without the experience is not only on the level of the established characters. But surpasses them inexplicably. Commonly refereed to as a "Mary Sue".
I think I saw that one. It sucked.
Hopefully I made sense in that. Bottom line, its the agenda that shapes their story. Which on its own wouldn't be that big of an issue. But when its interjected into an established franchise and shapes the very future of said franchise is when people get upset. Ahsoka is the best example of how it should be done. She came in and it was painfully obvious she was there as a ploy...but luckily the writers (and Filoni) did not treat her that way. She wasn't all of a sudden more powerful than everyone. She learned, grew, got her ass kicked but kept going. Because of this no one got upset that she was able to hold her own against Maul and even Vader...because we saw her get to that point.
Great example. But Ahsoka also had the advantage of developing over 6 seasons of a serialized show.
Or like what they did with Wonder Woman. Initially I thought "Oh Gawd. Another girl-power movie." I ended up seeing because a group of friends was going, so I thought "Oh well, who doesn't want to stare at Gal for 2 hours?"
I was delighted to find out how well it was done. Diana wasn't a great hero because she's a woman and she arbitrarily kicked all the boys' asses. She was trained as a warrior from a very young age so she had developed skill. But more so, she was a hero because she stepped up to fight the fight that no one else could or would. And she made mistakes. She defied the wishes of her mother, and was so hellbent on stopping Ares that she marked the wrong man.
Rey on the other hand was raised in an inhospitable environment, both terrestrially and socially. It was a dog-eat-dog existence on a planet with limited resources. Her guardian was an unscrupulous salvage trader (which now that I think of it bears an uncomfortable resemblance to an older story about a slave boy and his junk dealer master). These conditions do not produce nice people, without having an obvious positive influence to inspire decency. Anakin had his mother, Rey had no one. My favorite example to cite what would really happen:
Hearing the struggle between BB-8 and Teedo and being drawn toward it to investigate, Rey would have kicked Teedo's ass and stole his rightful claim to the salvage. Living a hand-to-mouth existence, Rey would have sold the socer ball for 60 portions without a second thought. <insert George Lucas memes here> She wouldn't care about droid rights.
She then goes on to masterfully fly an unfamiliar ship when she's never flown before; adeptly uses Force abilities that she'd didn't even know about, let alone have training on their use; and later engages a trained badass in lightsaber combat and wins. All because she's a cute and spunky girl, and the good guy. -_-
Exactly. Hating Rey for being a woman is stupid. Not liking her character because it's a Mary Sue is only logical. But of course, it's easier to point fingers and ignore constructive criticism by saying "you hate women". Anyway...
Quite the contrary. Ask anyone who knows me.... I LOOOOOVVVVEEEE women.
I hated the character of Rey because she was a 10yo girl's fan-fic. Poor and unrealistic character development, with a lame and played out story arc.
I love female characters to be feminine. And I appreciate the qualities, that most feminists detest in so-called "traditional" female characters. One of my favorite female characters from SW is Eleena Daru. A Twi'lek slave who had the heart of one of the most fearsome Sith Lords to date: Darth Malgus. He ended up killing her after she was threatened in order to manipulate him. His logic was that he would be stronger if she couldn't be used against him, but I believe he destroyed his greatest source of strength. He would have flown through a star to protect her. That level of attachment makes a man very unpredictable and dangerous. You often don't get the same reaction from a woman toward a man, but you will when you apply it to her children.
Or another great example is when a woman exploits the idiocy of "supremacy". Case in point: Black Widow in the Avengers. In the opening scenes she is "being threatened" by stereotypical big bad corrupt Eastern European general dude....until Coulson calls and she has to reveal that the idiot is telling her everything because he thinks she is a helpless woman. And we all know how that one ends.
I love her character because she
uses her femininity to its fullest extent, but it doesn't make her a bimbo. She fights just as hard, and she fights like a woman.
Building on this thought, I wondered last night, if Leia conned Jabba into thinking this weak Human female is not a threat. That's why he dresses her in a sexy brass bikini and has her at his side, while the "real threats" are being fed to the sarlaac. Again, we all know how that one turned out.
Oh absolutely, I agree completely, it's a classic deflection technique. If you just brand your opponent as biased then you can sit back comfortably and ignore any point they make, no matter how logical or poignant the observations are.
I would say something that I have run across too many times to count using this exact technique, but it is too politcal. Needless to say, weak minds offer weak arguments.
