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SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!    This info comes from the new book, Ahsoka.  Read on if you aren't worried about spoilers and please, no "I hate this, Disney Sucks!" comments.  














Kyber Crystals choose or sing out to their owners through a connection in the Force.  Apparently, only the chosen of the crystal could find it..anyone else would walk right past it (on Ilum).  After obtaining the crystal it would then take on its hue.   This really isn't new info...but now we get to the Sith Side.  Kyber Crystals are inherently attuned to the Light Side, so a Dark Side user is incapable of mining their own crystal.  They take them from Jedi.  The Darksider then forces the crystal to bend to their will...hurting the crystal in a process called "Bleeding"...hence the Red Hue.   But, the crystals are capable of being "healed".  Ahsoka faces her first Inquisitor, The Sixth Brother, and hears his crystals calling to her.  During the fight she manged to make the Spin Saber explode, maiming and killing the Inquisitor.  From the wreckage she took the crystals and put them in her newly constructed hilts...and they became White.    This info has lead me to a theory about Kylo's crystal.  We know Kylo has a lot of power but not much control of his anger...perhaps when he was bending the crystal to his will...he overdid it and it cracked, leading him to adopt the Cross Hilt design out of necessity.

I like this.  Very cool stuff.

-1 DS point for your insight

I am wondering if this can relate to Ezra Bridger's lightsaber being green this season.  While he might have gotten a new crystal in the six or some months between seasons, it is also possible he savaged his original crystal (which produced a blue blade back then).   But if a crystal can be made to change colors, than Erza could be using the same crystal for both sabers.

Still unclear were Luke's green saber's crystal came from in the current canon.  If could be one he finds.  It could be Qui-Gon's, saved by Obi-wan.  It could be Ezra's, handed over at some later date.  It appears it is no longer a synthetic crystal as that is no longer a thing.

While it may be unnecessary to the plot, one has to wonder about both Obi-wan and Anakin's crystals (also Qui-Gon's as it might be relevant)   Obi-wan lost his first known crystal on Naboo.  He likely didn't recover it.  He took Qui-Gon's saber.  Ten years later, Obi-wan has a saber that resembles the one he had on Naboo, and it has a blue blade.  Anakin has a new saber with a blue blade.  Qui-Gon's saber is not seen again.  It might be with Obi-wan, it might have been discarded some how.   It is possible it became Luke's.   But back to Obi-wan and Anakin.  Both lose their sabers at Geonosis.  Obi-wan's is confiscated and likely not recovered.  Anakin's is chopped, but the crystal might have been recovered.  Might.   In the Clone Wars, these two have new lightsabers that will continue to exist for several decades.  Did they go back to Illum for more crystals?  Do the Jedi have a stock of them for emergencies?  Did they just recover a crystal that spoke to them from the lightsabers of one of the many fallen Jedi on Geonosis?  One of those is calling to Rey.   The other is "lost" following the death of Kenobi.

The new Canon has it that all crystals are colorless, and they take on the color based on the Force alignment/skillset of the owner. Once the crystal is that color, it stays that color, with the exception being a Dark Side crystal.

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Also, remember, that at the time of Episodes 1 and 2, the Ilum caves were still very much under the control of the Jedi, so getting a new crystal would have been fairly easy.

As for Ezra's loghtsaber...merchandising.

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As Landen said, at the time of the prequels obtaining a New Kyber Crystal was rather easy.  Ahsoka speaks of going back to Ilum to 3 times; Once for her first saber, again for a crystal for her offhand saber when she switched to dual wielding and then with Younglings for their trial.  Ilum of course is not the only planet that has Kyber Crystals, just the most plentiful.  Apparently, synthetic Kyber Crystals are canon as they were introduced in the mobile game Star Wars: Uprising. But were not used in lightsabers (from what I can tell) and were black market items.   They take on a green hue instead of white and are very unstable and tend to explode. 

In the book The Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi, it tells us that Luke created his own green synthetic crystal.  I don't think this book is canon anymore, but it might be.

Thank you for the Kyber lesson!  ;D

So what is the difference between Kyber crystals and Adegan crystals, or is there one?

The difference is Adegan Crystals are no longer Canon.   

It could be worse.  The Jedi could be led to their crystals by magically imbued crickets who talk and sing to them.  (after all, it's Disney)

Seriously, I take all of this "canon" crap with a grain of salt.  If Disney wants to make this the "canon" explanation for stuff, so be it.  That's their prerogative as they own the property now.  It's not like it was ever explained in the movies anyway.   I wonder if power crystals and multi crystal hilts exist in the new Disney canon.

However, I personally still prefer the old version, with natural crystals of various colors just sitting in caves waiting to be discovered, and Sith taking the quick and easy path by just baking a crystal in their labs, as opposed to going out into the wilds to find one.  So, I may just choose to ignore whatever "canon" information they decide to release on these things, because I can.


People have an easier time pronouncing Kyber, so it became canon and Adegan was dropped. :P (I don't know that for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was that simple)

LOL! Have your 550th point.

Heir to the Jedi, a Disney canon book, has a lightsaber with 3 amethyst kyber crystals that make one blade.

Does anyone know what the difference was before they became no longer canon?

In EU, Synthetic red crystals were the usual for Sith. Also, there were Sith alchemy methods of purifying crystals to supposedly make sabers that burn hotter etc. Ilum was the usual source for kyber crystals for Jedi. Palpatine put Ilum under guard, so Luke sometimes had to use other things as crystals. Color was either because of the color of the crystal found, item used as a crystal or due to meditation changing the color, depending on the story you read. Color from meditation could mean something about the saber maker. Video games have options for other kinds of crystals that will have differing affects on character abilities, so a lot of people want there to be power crystals etc.

DC wiped out all but the 6 movies and The Clone Wars cg cartoon series. There are DC books and stories since their purchase, which tell us how they are doing things now. Just kyber crystals. Red is due to a dark sider subduing the crystal to their will. Ahsoka fixed a couple crystals that became white. Crystals call to a particular Jedi in the Force. Heir to the Jedi demonstrates there may be more than one and that sabers may have a will of their own to a degree that makes it difficult to use it. Kylo uses a cracked crystal with excess energy that has to be vented in his quillons.

Well, that answers the multi crystal question.  Thanks for that.  Does it say what the benefits are?  In the old EU, multiple crystals allowed one to manipulate the blade, change its size and energy level, which couldn't be done with a single crystal.

No, no info on it in terms of what it did for it.  It was a Saber from a Jedi killed during Order 66, it gave luke a chance to look at then internal workings of a saber.

Ah, OK.  Thanks for answering that, Darth Tepes.

Farmboy managed to break it.  Though it does provide a potential source for his own lightsaber crystal.

If his meditation changes the amethyst to green, it could be DC's way of answering that question. But, we'd be back to saying why did it not like him, then turn green and like him. How is Luke's meditating to change it green and cooperative different than a Sith's dominating a crystal to their will and making it red?

Its the difference between doing something because you want to vs being forced to do it.  Big difference. 

While we do not yet have canon reasons for any particular Jedi to have any particular color (other than Ahsoka for her white blades, since that book is the only source for reasons behind the Sith blades being red and Ahsoka's blades being white), we know how a lightsaber is made in the present canon.  This might be expanded on someday.  Maybe they'll ponder it if and when Rey makes her own lightsaber, though they have not presented anything for when anyone else had made theirs, such as Ezra and him now having two different blade colors, or Ahsoka's two different greens in TCW.   Even in the episode were we have younglings making lightsabers, the subject of color does not come up.  They just have blue or green lightsabers, all from a crystal that is the same color as ice on Illum.

There are many theories, but no proof in the present canon.  However, the writers and Story Group do use a lot of the old lore from time to time to inform their writing an decision process.  The reason we have a specific reason for Sith blades being red is because it becomes a plot point for why Ahsoka has white blades which was not only an unusual color, but also a frequently asked question.   Purple is the other rare color that does not have a canon answer for existing, but now has more than one user.   Yellow seems to be specific to the Jedi Temple Guards, but for what reason is not known, nor why Ahsoka's shoto was closer to yellow than green.

There are of course game related answers, though most of those are there so the player can have a class to play or a prize to swap out of their lightsaber.  Things you don't really see in Star Wars at all.  Even if Ultrasabers uses those gaming color names for its colors, they are not in the canon specifically because they do not reflect what we've seen.  Would anyone assume that Ahsoka or Ezra are a Councilor of old with green blades?

The old theory was that blue was for the more warrior-defender like Jedi.  Green was for the wiser or introspective Jedi.  Yellow was for the justice seekers (which seems to still be the case as all we have are the Temple Guards).  Red was Dark Siders (still the case).  Orange is unclear (I don't recall seeing one of these in the present canon, but it still comes up so there must be one somewhere), and purple was for someone dangerously balancing the light and dark sides of the Force, based entirely on Mace Windu and the idea that if you mix blue and red you get purple.

Presently, given how things are presented, I would gather that the EM Spectrum might show a better relation to how a Jedi or Sith is in the Force when the ligthsaber was created.  This would put purple at the farthest end away from red, which would be an interesting take of Windu, and present a different reason for him to be the one who could possibly best Palpatine, as he was the only one as deep into the light side as Palpatine was in to the dark side.  Blue being more common would be the regular lightside color, with green being for those that have understanding of the dark side in the Force.  Yellow being for those that attempt to balance the light and the dark for the sake of justice.  The trouble there is that they could be corrupted easier as the argument could be shifted as to what justice means.  Thus the Temple Guards could be swayed to the Dark Side if justice was being served.   I don't know for Orange since I've not seen who has one in the current canon.  Red of course is the Dark Siders, and the given reason of that is domination of the crystal, but also the stated goal is the bring order to the galaxy.  Regimented order were everything is defined and in its place.  Not more chaotic elements, just a orderly, regimented society.   I can buy that all dark siders blades would be more or less the same color of red as it is orderly and regimented.  The process of making the crystals orderly light be seen by a Jedi as dominating it and "bleeding" it as it turns red, but to a Sith, perhaps that is just ordering the facets to the most regimented way, and it always comes out red since before the days of Darth Bane.  It could be the most efficient pattern for a kyber crystal, which is why a Sith blade is always red.  It is not in harmony with the Force, but the Sith don't seem to believe is such a thing.

Though they believe in destiny.  The Will of the Force I somehow remember Palpatine mentioning, but I can't place where.

The outlier is still the Darksaber.  No clue to what is in it at this point in time.  Only that it is an extremely old lightsaber, and defies the laws of physics more so than a lightsaber usually does.

See, this is why the Shadows of the Empire explanation is so much easier.  In Shadows of the Empire, he simply baked a synthetic crystal in Obi-Wan Kenobi's hut on Tatooine.  Simple.  The crystal didn't have to like him, no meditation to make it green, it was simply the ingredients he used in the synthetic crystal that made it that color.  Why does everything have to be magic with Disney?  ::)

We're assuming a lot right now.  We see in the comics and the ONE books we have about luke that he is using Obi-Wan's journal to find Jedi relics and sites.  For all we know between ESB and ROTJ Luke mined his own Crystal, just have to wait and see.

Ah, I see.  I wasn't sure how complete the information is that's available.  I really need to pick up some of the newer Star Wars stuff and read it.

As of right now most of the Luke info is what happened between ANH and Empire from the comics.  Him finding Jedi sites and Relics, facing a Saber Wielding Storm Trooper etc.   Eventually the comics will go past Empire and we will get more on the Green Saber im sure.  I also assume they are waiting for Ep. 8 to revel more of what Luke did between 6 and 7.  His stories are being really kept under wraps

Because the Force has been magic from day one from Lucas?  Making it sound science-y doesn't make it less magic.  At no point it time was it ever considered to be "significally advanced science to no different from magic",  it was always magic and there was always mysticism.  That is the nature of fantasy even when you make it science fantasy.  Hyperdrives, blasters, speeders and the like are "significally advanced science".  The Force is not.  That's still magic, even to those who live in that universe.

The lightsaber has changed from being the common laser sword weapon of everyone in the early drafts (what is now the thermal detonator on the stormtroopers was originally their laser swords) , to being the special weapon of the Jedi and Sith.  In that change it has become more legendary, and thus more mystical.  It entirely fits to style of the storytelling.

Sure, the Force is magical and I never had an issue with that. (no midichlorians ::))  However, the crystals were just that before, crystal.  The new version makes them sound more like living beings.  It just sounds needlessly complex to me, much more so than just choosing a crystal and going from there.  But, whatever.  It's their property, they can change whatever they want.  (a fact some people don't seem to understand)

Even in the Legends Canon Crystals were more than just things....from Kyle Katarn's apprentice

"The crystal is not, by itself, the power source of the weapon. Like the Force user, the crystal is attuned to the Force. Without that attunement, the crystal is just a rock. And while a non-Force user could probably ignite and wield a lightsaber, provided the crystal was properly attuned to the Force, all that lightsaber would be for him is a shaft of superheated plasma. But for a Jedi, the lightsaber becomes more: it is a manifestation of a Jedi's connection to the Force." -Jaden Korr

Apperantly in the old EU, the original crystal used the kaiburr crystal from Splinter of the Mind's Eye was said to augment the Force.. Decades later, shards of the original large crystal were being used in Luke's students lightsabers, Leia's lightsaber, and Lumiya's lightwhip.  These would be the primary focusing lightsaber crystals of the New Jedi Order.

Kiber Crystals were there from the early drafts of Star Wars as a means of collecting and focusing the Force.  It would have been a McGuffin of the story and was removed as it would take too much away from the story of Skywalker and Vader.  Lucas eventually got back around to putting them back in with TCW "The Gathering".

Yeah, the Kaiburr crystal was a power crystal.  The search for it was the focus of an earlier draft of the first film.  Alan Dean Foster used George Lucas' early idea as the basis for what would have been a low budget sequel, had Star Wars been a flop.  When it wasn't, George let him write the novel. (great novel, by the way)

The crystal could enhance one's abilities in the Force, as many crystals and other talismans can in Star Wars EU stories.  Though, most tend to work for any Jedi or Sith who possess them.  In fact, both Luke and Vader wanted to possess the Kaiburr crystal.  Luke wanted to enhance his understanding of the Force and Vader wanted power.

What other planets are crystals taken from beside Ilum, and where are they in relation to major planets like Coruscant or Naboo? I know there are some, but I don't know which ones they are.

In Disney canon, I don't think there are any, yet.

I feel like Disney isn't doing as good a job at tying everything together as Lucas did. Doesn't Lucas have some control over SW still even though it is owned by Disney?

He's a creative consultant, but they don't have to do what he says if they don't want to.  Disney owns everything Star Wars now.

Hi Everyone, I was about to say the same thing, Lucas is a consultant but Disney don't have to take any notice of his advice. I wasn't sure if I could post it due to copyright etc but check out YouTube for the Charlie Rose Interview with Lucas and you can hear the situation first hand.
If you search for this title on YT you should find the part of the interview in question:

"George Lucas on 'Force Awakens': It's like a "break up" (Dec. 25, 2015) | Charlie Rose"

It is mentioned in a few sources there are other planets that have Kyber Crystals but only one of them is named (Lothal).  Ilum just had the highest concentration.




SO far I haven't seen anything to support that it isn't tied together..Lucas was the one that couldn't keep his own ideas straight...  and no.. he has no control at all.

So Temple Guard are the only jedi who use a predetermined color. But how do they get that color? Who turns the crystals yellow? The temple guard in some sort of ceremony? I'm extremely curious about this and I don't think this has been explained in canon.


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The temple Guard is a position of honor that is granted to Jedi from within the order, so the pikes are more than likely issued to them.  How they got the color has yet to be reveled.

So I guess the question comes in, how did the crystals become yellow if they are issued by the Jedi order and since they got rid of the synthetic explanation (atleast as far as I'm aware)? Guess I have to just wait and hope for an official canon explanation

The Force and the creator of those lightsabers ending the the blade color being yellow after the meditation/contruction of it.

Note that Ahsoka's shoto is nearly yellow in color, meaning it is within range.

That's obvious, but the question is still WHo made them.  Was there one Jedi who made multiple Saber Pike for the Sentinels to use?  Did the first group of Sentinels make their sabers and they all came out Yellow and then were passed on through the generations.

My understanding is that all crystals started colorless. No longer are there blue, green, yellow, purple, etc. crystals. The color transformation happened as a result of the Force user tuning the crystal. The resulting color came as a result of what the user did to the crystal and their Force alignment, potential, skills, or whatever. Therefore, a Jedi particularly skilled in lightsaber combat would almost always tune his/her crystal to blue. Sentinels would almost always have yellow. A crystal can be retuned if it changes owners, so the color can change. All of these things are well established in the new canon. Below are my opinions.

My belief is that a Jedi being selected to be a temple guard would already be a fully trained and highly skilled Jedi Sentinel, so their crystals would already be yellow. As a result of their selection and new assignment, they would have to make a new saber to keep in line with the look of the temple guards. To create uniformity, I imagine the external components were given to them, but they still had to craft it themselves using internal components of their choice as part of their guard training, and they would probably have to tune a new crystal to yellow in order to make it a staff. Again, though, these skills and practices are nothing new to them, because they are already a Sentinel.

I doubt that one person would have made multiple staffs and passed then down through the generations due to the highly personalized nature of the bond between a lightsaber and its user.

Where, in the new canon, is the color tuning established? I knew that of the old canon. Disney Canon indicates the crystal has it's color when found. The Clone Wars cartoon has blue-ish crystals that made green or blue sabers. Rogue One has lots of clear Kyber crystals of various sizes, but we didn't see them in action other than in the Deathstar. The book Ahsoka reveals that she turned red to white after a Sith turned it red. These things don't seem to be the same as old canon.

It's been extracted from a few sources, with three of the examples being ones you mentioned. In TCW, I think the blueish crystals were supposed to be clear, like we saw in RO, but they had to be visible, so they were given that blueish hue. Those same blueish crystals also produces green blades. We also read about Ahsoka changing the color, like you said. It's also said that the Sith bleed the crystals to give them their red color.

There have also been several youtube videos discussing these things. I'm not sure if Disney has or has not come out and said this is the rule, where crystals are colorless and then given the color through meditation, but the latest stories all seem to follow that rule.

I understand that in the old canon, the crystals did have a color. Luke used a furnace and produced a green crystal. Mace got a purple Hurrikane crystal. The Sith made synthetic crystals, and their DS energy made them red.

I can't remember if it's in the Clone Wars series, or in the movie. But when the temple on Illum was shown, the walls were lined with green, blue and purple Kyber crystals. How come those ones were already colored instead of being clear?

That may be older pitcures or artist renderings. In TCW, the episode that shows the cave, the crystals are hidden and clear (very pale blue), but they don't show the caves in the films. So far, the only thing we've seen in the films are the crystals in Rogue One, and those are clear.

Must be The Clone Wars movie then. Has that been removed from Canon?

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That is from the Clone Wars micro series that was released before Ep. III.  When the CGI Clone Wars came out the micro series was made non-canon.

Great, thanks :) that had been in the back of my mind a bit any time I thought about Kyber crystals being clear. Glad to know there was a reason for it being different.

If no one already mentioned it, kyber crystals can be found on multiple planets and of many various sizes, as stated in Catalyst. A novel prequel to Rogue One. Kyberite veins are mostly made of fake kyber, but real kyber can be found amongst it. Energy applied to the crystals can change their size, and compression can cause them to change size while giving off energy. Erso came up with synthetic kyber, but it never performed the same. The Jedi knew there was some kind of great power potential with kyber crystals, so they prevented it's exchange on black markets and the like. Kyber crystals also were known to affect dreams and cause insomnia.

I think that there was a canon-inspired Obi Wan figure of Old Obi Wan circa Tatooine that came out where he carried his and Qui Gon's lightsabers both. I read the article a while ago but it seems to be implied that Luke may have used Qui Gon's crystal in making his lightsaber.

It's a Theory but no conformation yet. 

So, to get this conversation started again.

I don't particularly have a problem with Disney's interpretation and explanation of how saber crystals work. I do think they have not fully fleshed it out yet, so it still needs a lot of work. However, at the same time, I don't like the fact that Disney completely did away with all the rest of the crystals and how they worked. In the Fan Fiction section, Karmack (and LSG and TD a little) has done quite a bit of work with crystals, incorporating both Disney's canon and EU into the mix, and has given us something absolutely beautiful that fits in with both Canon as well as Legends, and actually seems like it could be possible. For any of you who have read the stories, and any who want to join the discussion, what do you think about the current status of Lightsaber Crystals in Canon, Legends, and Fan Fic?

Good to have this discussion back up and running. I'll post my thoughts on the matter later, as I'm about to take a shower and go to work. (I'll have time to post my thoughts during the bus ride to work)

OK, wall of text inbound.

For starters, let's go over how crystals work in the EU. In the EU, Adegan crystals are used to focus a power stream and create a lightsaber blade. The crystals are a variety of colors and they give the saber its color. They grow naturally in caves and can be harvested to be used in lightsabers. These caves are few and far between, and are often dangerous. Finding and harvesting a crystal is one of the trials a young Jedi has to complete before building their lightsaber. In the non crippled version, (AKA, not in a game) an apprentice does this before attaining the rank of Padawan. There are other types of crystals that can be added to a saber to change things like blade length and power levels. One of the reasons Anakin's saber had so many controls was because he had a multi crystal setup and could change various things about his blade. Luke actually used these at various points in the EU. Adegan crystals are rare, though, and sought after due to being reactive to the Force.

In other circumstances, Jedi could use other kinds of crystals. Ilum crystals are more common than Adegan crystals and, thus, were more commonly used. They were almost as good as Adegan crystals and their abundance causes them to be more commonly used, until the Great Jedi Purge. (order 66) I believe the crystal caves on Ilum were destroyed by the Empire, making even Ilum crystals rare. Unlike Adegan crystals, Ilum crystals were usually blue and green, thus so many green and blue blades in the Rise of the Empire era.

In the absence of either natural focusing crystal, a Jedi, Sith or prospective Jedi or Sith could "bake" a synthetic crystal. While (technically) the easiest way to acquire a crystal, this too was not without its challenges. In order to be useful in a lightsaber, the Force user had to meditate during the creation process to embue the crystal with Force energy. Sith created very powerful crystals doing this. The process took 24 hours and a lot of intense meditation to create a lightsaber crystal, and failure meant having to start over. Sith always used synthetic crystals and most synthetic crystals came out red due to the forging process, but it was possible to tweak the materials and create other colors. For example, due to the rareness of Adegan and Ilum crystals, Luke Skywalker created a green synthetic crystal for his lightsaber.

The Kaiburr (pronounced: kyber) crystal. Ah, the Kaiburr crystal. Not a lightsaber crystal, but it's still necessary to cover this due to the sound alike name. In early drafts for the first film, George Lucas had the action focused around the search for the Kaiburr crystal. When he hired Alan Dean Foster to ghost write the novelization, he agreed to let Foster write a follow-up that could be filmed as a low budget sequel, should the first movie flop. (always good to have a backup plan) Foster decided to use Lucas's unused Kaiburr crystal idea. When the movie was a success, Lucas agreed to publish Foster's story as a novel. The novel, Splinter of the Mind's Eye
is the first novel in the EU. The novel follows Luke and Leia as they race Vader to find a mystic power crystal called the Kaiburr crystal. It enhances a Force user's power, that's why Vader wants it. The crystal wasn't a lightsaber crystal and lost its power when removed from the temple where it was found.

Now for canon. Kyber crystals are naturally occurring white crystals used in constructing lightsabers, among other things. Much like an Adegan and Ilum crystal, they grow in caves and young Jedi have to retrieve them. Then they have to meditate over them and can turn them green or blue. No other colors. Sith can "bleed"
them to turn them red. That's it. They were also used in the Death Star.

Now for issues. No other colors means Mace Windu's and the Temple Guard sabers can't be justified. Also, there's a question about how the Death Star laser was green. There's the fact that they took a much more complex crystal lore and turned it into a "They're magic" kind of simplistic thinking. Then there's the whole Kaiburr crystal thing. They seem to think that creating a sound alike will make it a cool callback to that and fans will like it. The same thinking went into putting a planet named Delta Vega in the Vulcan system in 2009's Star Trek. That didn't go over well either. Those are my main issues.

Well covered SFD, about the only things I'd add are that canon wise, crystals which have bled can now be healed turning them white.

Second there was the Hurrikaine crystal that explains Mace Windu's blade as far as the EU is concerned. However the Hurrikaine was possibly the rarest crystal out there. He was gifted around half a dozen Hurrikaine crystals from the native species of the planet Hurikane (they had skin covered in crystal) after a mission he completed as a Padawan. Later the purple crystals were named Windu's Guile in his honour.

Hurrikaine crystals first appeared in Star Wars Tales #13 and KOTOR II The Sith Lords. And I found this rather neat textless cover image from that issue of Windu and the purple blade.
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As far as I have seen they have never out right stated the can be no other colors, they just haven't explained them yet.  Ahsoka's white/silver blades have been explained.  Of all the changes Disney has made, this one I have the least problem with.  Star Wars seems to be making a shift toward focusing on Non-Force users..or pushing them to the background and honestly, that is the only thing about Tsar Wars I like.  So the more Force stuff the better to me.   

Great history with the Adegan and Ilum crystals, SFD. Have a point. Just as we started our discussion on the other post, I agree with you about the whole canon crystal that Disney has started.  I'm still leaning towards the Adegan crystal, canon or not since it's a much better story and has better characteristics than Disney's Kyber crystal which as you pointed out, has some loops holes.   Another one is how did Palpatine bleed his crystal if he started out as a Dark side apprentice?   He killed a Jedi or Padawan to get it?  It's a lazy way to tell a story in my opinion since to me, you can only tell the same story about a Sith killing a Jedi to bleed a Kyber crystal so many times before it gets boring.  Where the Adegan crystals were well thought of, it didn't seem like the Kyber crystal were thought up as well as it's predecessor (if we even want to call it that). 

Sure, maybe Disney is developing a story line to explain it all so we'll just have to wait but until then, some of the stuff just doesn't make any sense and it makes stories like Mace Windu's irrelevant and he's canon.  It just appears to me that Disney is just trying to bleed out more stories with this whole Kyber crystal thing hence the Darth Vader comic series that came out last year explaining the Kyber Crystal.  I get it, they're trying to make more money and tell more stories but it left a lot to be desired in my opinion.  Maybe it'll get better and things will be explained but I'm not holding my breath either.

Yes, basically. That's the only way a Sith can get a crystal. They can't mine them themselves, so they have to steal them from the Jedi.

Though, in the EU, Sith aren't even required to build lightsabers. Their masters give them lightsabers when they're ready. (remember, quick and easy path) Of course, some would go on to build their own, but it wasn't a requirement of being Sith, like it is for Jedi.

Here's a few larger crystals... the colors are naturally created by the Force.  :)



(https://i.imgur.com/5LvI1l9.jpg?5)


Am really enjoying this discussion and learning lots.  Thanks.  :)

It'll be a short story for any Sith then since it would be around the same way they would receive or build their first lightsaber: killing Jedi to retrieve and corrupt a crystal or have a lightsaber given to the Apprentice.  Stories like Kyle Katarn who eventually builds an orange saber or the story of Nomi Sunrider and the Sun Rider's Destiny crystal, etc. These stories are far more interesting and engaging that we both know but now, they're Legends.  In my eyes, their canon to me.  I like to refer the present "canon" as "Disney canon"


Beautiful crystals indeed. Did you grow those, D7?  I'm glad that you got this discussion resurrected, I've been wanting to discuss this for quite some time now.

I looked at earlier posts in the thread and I think I have an explanation for the Darksaber.

So Tarre Vizsla was the first (and only) Mandalorian Jedi, so I am thinking that if the Sith "Bleed" their crystals to make them red, what if when Tarre was meditating over his crystal, instead of going blue or green, the crystal learned that he was Mandalorian. And it decided that the Mandos were evil and the crystal became black to show its disapproval of an "evil" mando becoming a warrior of the light.
I don't know much of his backstory so I may be wrong about some of those things.

I do think it had something to do with Mando mentality, but I wouldn't say Evil.  We can thank George for the conundrum of the Darksaber.  I do wonder...was The Hilt of Dark saber made from beskar

Has there been anything in Canon saying that there cannot be any other crystals? Or is it just that we have yet to see any other ones? Personally I don't have a huge problem with the explanation Disney is giving. But I don't think that they are done. In my personal head-canon there are other crystals that can be used, but by in large, the vast majority of crystals found are Kyber. Some people use Synth, and some (like Windu and Vizla) found a different type of crystal other than Kyber. This is just y personal opinion and head-canon, but from what I've seen/read/heard, there is nothing in Canon saying that there are no other crystals available.

OK, I'm going to say it. The Darksaber is a stupid plot device. Sorry, it had to be said.  :P

(just my opinion, of course)

But it is so cool looking. ;D ;D

I don't even like how it looks. I enjoyed those episodes, but I didn't care for the Darksaber itself. I'd have liked it better if it was a proto saber with an external battery pack and a more normal blade, I think.

All you gotta do is stick two strips of black electrical insulation tape down either side of your MG or UE blade (180 degees opposite each other) and BINGO! Darksaber blade. And it would be duel-worthy as it isn't a flat acrylic blade!

Like I said, got Lucas himself to thank for that.  It was supposed to be an ancient Vibroblade, but he was insistent only a lightsaber could block another saber.  But hey had already done most of the animations.

See, I knew he didn't pay attention to his own EU. Cortosis is a lightsaber resistant material (not the only one, but the most common) and it's been firmly established that Cortosis is used in vibroblade construction. It's used specifically to give vibroblades the ability to block lightsabers. In fact, this is a conversation choice early in KOTOR. You're equipping a sword that's of the same type of blade construction as a vibroblade but not quite as strong, and you can ask your companion what happens if your enemies have lightsabers. He replies that the swords have Cortosis, a saber resistant material. Since George didn't invent vibroblades, he could have done a bit of research into them.

he never considered The EU as canon really.  Sad to say, Under Disney way more stuff from the EU has made into canon than under George.   Beskar was recently brought into canon

What were the red guys using in ep8?

Praetorian guards? Vibroblades, right?

Basically, yes.    What really is jarring is that Lucas had the Magma Guards weapons stopping lightsabers...guess he forgot about those to.

That’s what I was thinking myself

No he did not. He never even read any of the books.


Yeah, that one is the only one I'm not sure how Lucas would explain. Maybe they created a force field of some sort or something. We've seen force fields block sabers.

I'm hoping that Disney are working on more stories and how each color is achieved through their saber canon.  Each individual stories would help explain the green Death Star laser, Mace Windu's purple blade and quite a few other colors that exist along with what weapons can fight against a lightsaber.  I hope it's just a matter of when and not a matter of if in Disney's case, otherwise, my disappointment in them would grow exponentially.  Here's hoping to and a part of me isn't holding my breath.

Ok, after some digging I found that Pablo Hidalgo "answered" this in a tweet. 




“For what it's worth, those who see these crystals are always quite surprised they can even get that large. So there's something unknown and unprecedented about their attributes.” - Pablo Hidalgo


So, basically...there is no answer.  The large kyber crystals are such an anomaly that there isn't much know about them.  Apparently there is some info in the novel Catalyst about Gaylen Erso's experiments with the Kybers.  I have not read it, I might have to pick it up see if I can glean anything from it.   

I have read the novel catalyst and I sadly found it quite boring and it, unfortunately, had little info on Kybers that isn't common knowledge. although they did try to explain the big ones. I forgot how they did it though as it has been a while since I read it.

The crystals can change size.

That is the norm it seems for the new EU.  With few exceptions (namely the Thrawn Novels and Vader Comics) dull writing, attempt to push new characters to the front instead of and organic shift, dangling plotlines etc.  The old EU got a little messy, but its because it had decades of lore that had been tweaked and changed, the new EU is a bit of a mess but there is no excuse...they just don't know where they want to take it.

Exactly! there is no focus and story they are trying to follow. Disney is just going whichever way looks like could make the most money. they (obviously) do not care about continuity.

Agreed. I can’t help but feel that they just throw in an idea into the EU and start running with it without looking at everything that it may affect past, present and future.  A lot of these changes feel more like an afterthought than the original EU that was carefully planned and executed. 

I think they are allowing to many people to much freedom to do whatever they wish and no one is reigning them in.  Which is supposedly Pablo Hidalgo's Job.   Some of the ideas I don't have an issue with, its the execution.  Plus, I never thought in my life I would read the words "True That, true  That." in a Star Wars novel.

I can't agree with you more, Tepes. What? What novel did those words appear on? 

The First Aftermath novel, said by Dengar

that's understandable a bit. I mean I think I could see him saying that under the right context.

Wow, I don't know if I want to read that one.

I always encourage others to read/watch things for themselves, but imo the aftermath books were not good at all.  As I said before, focusing on new characters and attempting to make us care what happens to them, dangling plots (Acolytes of the Beyond) etc.  There just doesn't seem to be any focus

I normally like to experience things myself so I'll probably check it out

One of the new books I want to read is the Inferno Squad one. I don't think I've heard anything about how good it was, but the campaign for BFII was pretty fun, so I'd like to check the book out sometime.

I’ve heard that book is good as well, will pick that up.  Thanks Taegin

The campaign was fun but I am really kind of disappointed that they pulled the "redemption of the baddest villain" thing again. I was told that we were getting n all Imperial campaign and I was SO looking forward to it. the main character joined the rebellion like 4 stages in. I was so pissed

Honestly, I started playing the campaign and was like "wow, this is exactly the same story as Ralen Yorul" (character I created for RPing here). Other than name and places, it is essentially the exact same thing as I wrote.

Little tangent: TR's character Ralen is an EXCELLENT creation, fantastic back story, and wonderful to read about.  Definitely one of my favorite SW characters (including canon)  :)

I will definitely need to read about that.

Thank you very much, but it was your integration skills that brought him into the "Forumverse" and made him really stand out among the mercs.

what is the "Forumverse"?

It is my term for the stories written by Karmack, TheDutchman, Lord_S_Gray, TheDrunkenConsular and myself, that all share the same continuity and cross over with each other often. They are all posted in the Fan Fiction section of the forum.

That's cool. Reminds me of the Arrowverse

Kinda the inspiration for the name. ;)

makes sense