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Oh . . . I've been holding this in, lol . . . I don't have much time right now, so here's only a couple of my thoughts . . .


Darth Vader final scene, wielding his lightsaber and the slaughter . . . OMG . . . EPIC  8) 8) 8) . . . the whole movie is almost worth it, just for that few minutes . . .  ;D


I've been thinking about some of the plot points (still processing), and I LOVE the fact that the weakness to the Death Star was designed on purpose, as a FU by Galen to the Empire War Machine, and the Empire didn't know it, but Krennik did, just before "his" Death Star was aiming down at him . . . It was one of those things in ANH that always was in the back of my mind, that a small fighter could blow it up was pretty weak, but this new part of the story makes that completely legitimate to me now . . .

The other thing that's been on my mind is how Vader's Star Destroyer came out of Hyperspace RIGHT IN THE BATTLE . . . This is how you do it . . .  8)

Like I said, I'm still processing the things that stood out to me . . . I resonate with Chirrut's mantra and faith in the Force . . . The real sacrifice of ALL the main characters . . . The rivalry between Tarkin and Krennik . . . LOVE the cameos by Red Leader & Gold Leader . . . many many more . . .

Overall I REALLY enjoyed ROGUE ONE . . . I'll have to wait till "my" hype settles down, but I really think this could be near the top of my favorite SW movies . . .

I think I heard a "General Syndulla" in the Back ground in the temple on Yavin IV :)


I really loved this movie :)

I missed that, cool . . .

We do see the Ghost (or the same ship design) to left of screen at Yavin IV early on, and a few times during the final Battle over Scarif . . . Looking forward to how they tie in with the Rebels series . . .  :)

I seen that :)


Not that  ;D



I also love the fact that the weakness of the Death Star was designed by a "rebel" ... that make the plot of ANH more credible :)

The final battle is AWESOME ... both in space and on the ground like in the ROTJ ...

I missed the Ghost. I'll have to check for it, because I really enjoyed the movie, and I will see it again.

There were several things I liked. I liked how it tied together Episode III, Rebels, and Episode IV. I thought they did a wonderful job of that.

I also liked how they treated the main characters who didn't make it through the movie. No questions about where they are afterwards.

Vader single handedly whooping some tail? Yes, please. Finally! We finally get to see him being a bada$$.

Why were Kyber mines in total lock down after the Empire rose? Check. Got that answered.

As mentioned before, the "flaw" now being intentional, yeah, I liked that, too.

I loved Chirrut.

I, too, am still trying ti digest the plot, but there were some minor, non plot centered things I didn't like. First, the fact that they typed the names of the locations on the screen. That's not SW to me. We're not told where we are through text, we're told where we are through dialogue, and they successfully did that. If it was important enough to know, it was mentioned by characters several times. The text was unnecessary and out of place.

Also, I hate to say this, but I didn't like Vader's look. The end makes it seem like we are seeing the beginning of Vader's chase to get Leia's ship, which is where ANH starts, right? So he should look almost exactly like we see him in the beginning of that film, and it wasn't so. The neck of his helmet was disproportionately large, and his physical build was far too small. It looked more like cosplay and less like a large budget movie.

However, these are minor things that will not detract me from saying this movie is solid and enjoyable.

It looked like Star Wars. It sounded like Star Wars. Little things that shouldn't matter somehow made it not feel like Star Wars. No scrolling of the beginning setting. No blast of the intro music. Just a sudden beginning space scene.

Digital people scenes felt like a Star Wars video game cut away. (Tarkin, Leia)

Vader's red eyes...  ???

Respectable characters. Good performances. It's the story of giving your all for the slimmest hope.

Edit: I guess they were red in ANH. Even the odd neck. It showed so much more prominently this time. http://www.starwarshelmets.com/RotS2ANHvader_comp.htm

Did he have them in this one? I didn't think so. That's one thing I'm happy to see go from ANH.

Saw it this afternoon, so some quick thoughts

First, I really enjoyed it.

That said, the pace was a little  hit or miss, sometimes it was perfect, other times it was just...not bad, but odd.

Love K2-SO.  Very interesting and entertaining droid character.  Love that they didn't overwhelm us with TIE Striker and U-Wing, and we still had mostly the classic TIE/ln, X-Wings, and Y-Wings.  Loved seeing Bail step out of the shadows.  Loved that the "Shoretroopers" seemed like they had a place in the tactical doctrine.  REALLY loved the Deathtroopers having what I took to be encrypted comms/vocoders.  Was taken by surprise by the Gold/Red leader cockpit shots from ANH.  Thought Leia looked good, Tarkin had some scenes that were very believable, and some that felt just a hair off.

Vader massacring his way through rebel troopers was frelling awesome.

Also liked the realistic look to the ground battle scenes, seeing troopers take hits to the head and drop like they ought to.

I hadn't taken a hugely close look at the shoretroopers/tank crew as I might have, before going to the theater, but the angularity of the helmets that I had looked at in passing had given me the impression that they looked a great deal like the deathtroopers.  I am glad that is not the case, and they are quite distinctively different, yet related to the overall stormtrooper aesthetic.

I'm sure there will be more thoughts later.

Oh, wait.

VADER'S FRELLING CASTLE!!!!

I'm pretty lukewarm about Rogue One.  I debated on even speaking up about it, but I'll just toss my thoughts out here.  I don't require agreement or validation, nor do I expect it, but I guess it provides a different point of view.  Or something.  Anyway, here.


Pros:


-Obviously Vader, especially the end scene.  Seeing him in the bacta tank (or whatever type of tank that was) creeped me out in the best way.

-TARKIN.  I got so excited when I saw him, I think I legit jumped out of my seat for a second.

-Director Krennic was a hot mess, holy crap.  I actually liked that.  I liked seeing his cocky ass fail and screw things up. 

-Krennic and Tarkin snarking at each other.

-Vader choking the crap out of Krennic (I swear he enjoyed it).

-I really liked Chirrut and Baze.  Chirrut's take on the Force resonated with me for personal reasons I probably can't discuss on the forum.  I loved the friendship between him and Baze. 

-K-2SO completely stole this movie.


Cons:

-I DESPISED the music.  It almost ruined the movie for me completely, if I'm being honest.  Awful score.  TERRIBLE execution.  It didn't go with what I saw on screen at all.  We picked the score apart at work today and it's just . . . no.  Please, for the love of whoever, don't ever hire Michael Giacchino again.  He does NOT understand the themes and nuances necessary to carry Star Wars.  Let me stress that he is not a bad composer by any means.  I've liked quite a bit of his other work, but he was the wrong composer for this movie.  Jeez, I could barely sit through it.  Music is very, very important to me, so this was a HUGE factor.

-Couldn't stand Jyn.  Hated her little "motivational" speech.  The "I'm so tough that I don't care about anything . .. oh wait, JUST KIDDING!" attitude she had?  Didn't believe it for a second.  Didn't really like Cassian, either.  Both of them felt very flat.  Their chemistry was terrible.  I'm fairly indifferent about Bodhi.  Galen wasn't awful, but I was so sick of the word "Stardust" by the time it was over, I could have Force choked myself.

-A lot of things were way too convenient to be believable to me.  I'm not going to sit here and pick them apart one by one, but from a plot standpoint?  My suspension of disbelief when it came to the Rebellion side of things was severely tested.  I found myself thinking, "come on, now!" more than once.

-There was no crawl.  Familiar musical themes were severely lacking. It didn't feel much like Star Wars to me in many parts. 


It was kind of a miss for me in general.  I really, really wanted to like it.  I truly did.  But I just didn't really connect with it.  Ah, well.  Can't love it all, I suppose.  Glad to see many of you enjoyed it! 

I finally figured out what the U-Wing reminds me of.

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Now, obviously, the U-Wing is a lot bigger than a little one-man starfighter, but the basic lines really made me think of that.

Also, in addition to being happy that we weren't overwhelmed with the U-Wing (only 2 in the whole movie), I also really liked how it was used, as a spec ops insertion vehicle and gunship, for the most part, that could put on the speed when needed.

Loved it! Vader culling them all at the end showing he is the Lord of the Dark Side!  :D

I really liked it, but the night as a whole, outside the movie, was such a catastrophic disaster I can't think straight.

Liked bacta Vader, but God! Could they put a beefy Vader in a suit?! Make him look menacing, not like ep. 3 Vader...Pencil neck.
Loved Tarkin, thought that was a touch of cool. Loved the fact they all died, no lingering "where are they"
When I saw the Death Star pop up in the horizon towards the end, I said it pretty loudly "OH SH#T!"
Almost broke a year when K died.
Loved the explanation of kyber Krystal's, and their importance to star wars as a whole, not just a fanboy topic anymore.
Thought the cameos from ANH was interesting, and Jimmy Smits popping up was cool.
It did kinda tarnish the rebellion a bit. Made them look a bit evil, if that means anything. But then, kinda wussy and sitting back on their hands.
Overall, some awesome deaths! Yes, Vader going all video game, fanboy ape sh#t, totally dark side killer crazy we could only imagine to this point was amazing. I was at that point, "pass the f'n card off you idiot!!!"
Really enjoyed it, need to see it again to fully experience it. The music wasn't great, and a score can make a full movie great, but it didn't deter me.

I saw the 2 cantina thugs (the arm Kenobi takes) lots of goodies of the film.

When Saw Gurrera took a breath out of his mask, all I saw was Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet; he even had that crazy look in his eye.  :D :D :D
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I was really pleased with how well they were able to capture the aesthetic of the OT (as brand new, and shiny as it looks now). Watching the events play out, it felt as if I were watching one of scenarios from the GCW RP play out, or a game of Imperial Assault. I was also quite impressed with the scope, and scale of the planets, cities and starships.

The one thing that made this movie work for me in the way The Force Awakens didn't (which in not to say I didn't enjoy TFA), was that everyone suffered; AKA meaningful character growth. ;) Nostalgia, be damned!

I enjoyed the movie very much.  

I have to say that I didn't like that the Crawl wasn't there, I almost left the movie when it didn't start the way every other Star Wars film began, but I restrained myself.  I also have to agree with Noctis in regards to the music.  It was not our typical Star Wars music and I think it made the movie just a little less memorable for me.  

However I think the saving grace in the movie was K2SO "Alan Tudyk"  he was awesome and his comic relief throughout was just fantastic:  "Congratulations on being rescued, Please don't resist"  "You will die in the void of space, Not me! I can survive in space."
regarding her blaster, " You’re letting her keep it? Would you like to know the probability of her using it against you? It’s high. It’s very high."

I loved the fact that there were so many characters from Ep IV in this movie:  The Cantina thugs, R2 and C3PO, Red and Gold leader, CGI Tarkin, and even sad looking CGI Leia.  This helped solidify the timeline for me and made it reminiscent of Ep IV.   I also loved the new characters especially  Chirrut and Baze, to me they were the Han and Chewie of this film.  I love the camaraderie between them and the fact that even though their job as Cyber Crystal Guardians was no longer a thing, they still had each others backs.  I would have to say that the battle scene with Baze and Krennic's trooper squad was awesome.  The fact that after Chirrut died Baze started up the liturgy of "I'm one with the Force, and the Force is with me." and single handedly killed like 6 of them and it was pretty awesome, since he supposedly stopped believing in the force.    

Even though there were some issues with the movie I still felt that it was a Star Wars movie and will definitely go back and watch it again.

Okay, so having had a few days to marinate over the film, here are my further thoughts and opinions on it (which I couldn't really do in my non-spoiler review).

LACK OF STORY CRAWL
I understand they didn't include one, but I felt it made the opening very jarring. I know a lot of youtube reviewers are saying that the movie is better if you have read the book Catalyst. There have also been some reports of people not understanding that this is episode 3.5 not episode 8. I think if any movie needed an opening crawl, it was this one.

SETTING THE SCENE
I found the opening 20 mins to be very jumpy as we cut from planet to planet in a fast paced way, introducing some of the characters we need to know. Again, from a film making point-of-view, I understand why this was done, but it came across as slightly disorientating.

THE REBELLION
Throughout the franchise we have always seen the rebellion as the "good guys". However, this movie did an interesting thing and showed that even though they are the good guys, they still have to do some "bad" and unsavoury things if they want to achieve victory. This was definitely a "war movie" that just happened to be set in the Star Wars universe, and in war both sides always end up doing some unsavoury things.

K2S0
Definitely the best and most well developed character in the movie. I think if R2D2 or Chopper could actually speak, this is what they would be like.

SO. MANY. CHARACTERS.
Apart gym Jyn, Galen, K2S0 and Krenic, without doing a google search, I find it hard to remember the names of all of the characters. I remember their actions though. And most of them are very under-developed, mainly because the movie is eager to move the plot along. I really would have liked some more backstory to Donnie Yen's character and his friend (mostly, HOW they met and why they are so close). And Forest Whitaker was wasted as Saw Gerrera.

THE SCORE
I found it standing out in a bad way in many places throughout the movie. And, given where this movie takes place in the SW timeline, I thought it a missed opportunity not to incorporate some of John Williams excellent score from Ep. 4. However, in his defence, Michael Giacchino only had 4 weeks to score the film. A massive achievement, but in places it really is evident.

THE ACTION
Space battles (that nicely and cleverly incorporated footage of Red Leader and Gold leader from the original 1977 movie). While Return of the Jedi is not my favourite of the original trilogy, it does has the best space battle of the trilogy. The space battle in Rogue One was epic. I also liked when the rebels are escaping and Vader's ship shows up out of hyperspace how some ships crash into the destroyer. A nice touch.

The beach battle scene was definitely worthy of the war movie feel Gareth Edwards was going for. Elsewhere, Donnie Yen does what Donnie Yen does (that Storm Trooper armour is crap if Donnie can take them down with a staff and Ewoks can take them down with spears).

THE CGI
The destruction of Jedha and the Imperial base were both really well done (take note Roland Emmerich, Michael Bay etc. THAT is how you do massive destruction in a movie).

Princess Leia - she looked chubby and very unrealistic. And personally, given how much she was in the movie, it was unnecessary. They could have cast a lookalike and shot her from the back/side.

Grand Moff Tarquin - Looked much better than Leia, but if the trailer for War of the Planet of the Apes has taught us, motion capture can make us believe non-human characters are "real". The technology just isn't there for humans. Yet. Given the story, Tarquin had to be in the movie, but I felt he was over-used. They could have limited his screen presence, thrown in some more mirror reflections and maybe even a hologram too. It did take me out of the movie a little as I was focussing more of the VFX rather than the actual character, but a valiant attempt.

FAN SERVICE
Blue Milk. The Ghost from Rebels. Hearing "General Syndulla" and "Captain Antilles" over the tannoy. The criminals from Mos Eisley on Jedha. There are more and it was done in a different way to The Force Awakens. While in TFA, it was more "remember those things you loved from the other trilogy?" whereas here it was more "remember all the cool stuff that is coming up in Ep. 4".

VADER
Totally underused. Two scenes. That's all we get? Granted, the first scene was satisfying because you truly feel the terror of just being in his presence. However, when he opens up his can of Sith whoop-ass in the hallway……he was definitely like the boogeyman in a horror movie. It is the only scene in the movie that has stuck with me since and it probably one of the best scenes from ANY Star Wars movie.

OTHER STUFF
WHAT THE HELL was with the tentacle hentai mind-reading scene?

Everyone dies, which they kinda had to. And, even though we have only just met these characters, I felt more emotion to (some of) their deaths than I did when Han died in The Force Awakens (probably because as soon as Han walked onto that bridge, they telegraphed the fact he was going to die).

The movie drags a little in places.

Some emotional moments with Jyn and the rebellion never quite had the impact they should have.

As a whole, the movie does definitely enhances Ep. 4 and the imposing menace of the Death Star.

The Rebellion did seem a bit wimpy before the big mission.

FINAL VERDICT
As I said in my non-spoiler review, it is definitely the best prequel we have got. I didn't find it as exhilarating as The Force Awakens, but I can understand why some people may prefer it over TFA. I wasn't blown away, but I did thoroughly enjoy it. And we finally got to see a live action scene of Vader being a bad-ass.

All movies are subjective. There are no right or wrong opinions. These are just my opinion. Feel free to disagree if you want.

I want to see an outtake of "drunk" K2 (after he'd dataspike downloaded the other K2) saying "we jumped out a window!", and cuddling something furry while calling it a "hairy baby".

I think it is not overreacting. The Vader massacre is going down as one of the best moments in star wars history. Sith mode! That scene captured what we all envisioned about Vader. Might move him up a few notches in lists of greatest villains of all time. Damn that was brutal. I might have just took the blaster to myself instead of dealing with him. Those guys had to have pissed themselves.

Wasted item: Jyn's kyber Krystal. Sure, if was her mom's gift to her, but I thought it'd have better meaning, used for something. And forest Whitaker (Saw) reminded me, in stature, to that crazy dude from Mad Max Fury Road, even more so with the hair all frayed!

I get the feeling Jyn's crystal was suppose to be for something, but it got cut.   That or is was to simply be her reminder to keep her trusting the Force and going on for the good of all rather than selfishly running off again.

I was hoping it might have been left behind on Yavin and given to Luke and thus be the crystal for his later green lightsaber since Luke did become Rogue Leader by the time of Hoth.  It would be fitting that the up coming Jedi who blew up the Death Star be the one to get the Erso's crystal and more or less the callsign of the mission to steal the plans for said weapon.

I was waiting for the crystal to be Chekhov's gun because that is how they set it up and all we get was her "praying" to it for 5 seconds at one point?  That was a big let down.

Also, really have to agree with Knox about the WTF TENTACLES??? scene.  I was like, "D-did the writers read some bad fanfiction or . . . .?"   And the opening was SUPER jarring, jumping around from planet to planet like that.  In fact, I could have done without about an hour of this movie and probably would have enjoyed it a lot more.  Not to mention, I just needed more Vader.  I was super annoyed that they teased us with the promise of several great Vader scenes and we didn't really get that.

I would probably go see it one more time just to watch Krennic continually screw up everything he touches.  It was really great to see someone who is put forth as a terrifying mastermind just turn out to be a floundering, epic fail. 

Lastly, I noticed some parallels between Krennic watching the destruction from his tower and General Hux watching Starkiller base be destroyed.  Coincidence?  I think not.  I appreciated that quite a bit.

It also shows that Tarkin was correct in taking over as the military commander of the Death Star.  Tarkin's only problem was that he didn't get the memo about just how large the breach was in terms of what the Rebels might have gotten and what danger they could be to the Death Star thanks to Erso's subterfuge.   While I am not sure he put in the thermal exhaust port as the weakness, but it seems it was the only way they could find to exploit the weakness in the station's reactor Erso designed.  I am thinking Erso thought they'd send in a raid or something to blow the reactor easily since it was so fragile.  If Obi-wan had known, he'd probably have done it himself with his lightsaber...or Force pushing Vader into it.

I'm not sure he knew about the sabotage that Erso had done. It was only revealed to Keen nichelle, and he got vaporized.

I agree with what has been said about the score, and I felt that way about halfway through my first viewing. It was also one of my biggest concerns going into the film, because how do you replace John Williams? It wasn't the worst score I've ever heard, but it wasn't up to what we've been treated with in the first 8 films. But, I also expected it to be less than normal for the aforementioned reason, so I'm not terribly disappointed.

The crawl - I'm on the fence with this one. I see the need for it with regards to new fans, as Knox mentioned, but this film isn't really for them. It's also not an "episode." It's a gap filler. So, do we give it the crawl and try to elevate it to episode status, or do we leave it out to make ithis movie seem like a minor player in the overall saga (which this movie absolutely is)?

I'm sorry for the double post, but do we know the timing between R1 and ANH? Are we talking days, weeks, months, or years?

I just had a thought run through my head. The guy who lost his arm in the cantina in ANH has a cameo in R1, as I'm sure most of us noticed, but he's much younger. Again, just a thought.

Judging by the ending...hours.

The encounter on Jedha was maybe a few days or weeks before we saw them again on Tatooine.  A few sunrises of travel between worlds and a few on Tatooine after A New Hope starts.

That was my thought as well.

Personally, while I appreciate some of the easter eggs and callouts to ANH, having Ponda Baba and Dr. Evazan pop up like that seemed a bit too far over the line of "Hey, look at this Easter egg!" to me.

What concerns me most is how everyone's cheering Rogue One's ending in the only way it could, but Terminator 3 was reviled... because it ended the only way it could.

Rogue One ended the only way it could that leads to an all time classic that we all love. Terminator 3 is not the same league.

If you say that The Terminator is not a classic film, then I will have to doubt anything you say from here on out. T3 ended in the exact way that it should. Allowing Judgement Day to happen so that the events of the first film can take place. It's the very definition of a predestination paradox.

I did not say Terminator is not a classic film; what I said was it is not in the same league as Star Wars: the movies (9), the animation series, the spin offs, the industry of franchise and of course, sabers. I like Termninator, and I like a lot of other series.

Is nobody going to comment on how tall Tarkin was?  I had to go back and re-watch ANH (I use the term 'had to' loosely, I was glad to  ;) ) just to check if he really was Dahl's BFG.  He's not.  In fact everyone but Leia is taller than Tarkin in ANH.  Why does he tower over everyone in Rogue One?

Vader was boss AF  :o

That said, I almost wanted him to do a couple of tentative pokes at someone with his saber as an in-joke nod to the fight between him and Obi-wan in ANH  :D

Grand Moff Tarkin was one of the best kept secrets. Again, all the classics from ANH revived in Rogue One fit the bill perfectly. I can't recall any movie spin offs that have done it so well.  :)

Tarkin seemed too virile in his posture. Too much chest depth. I think I would've preferred see his reflection, and never quite his face directly. That scene made me think it was years in advance of ANH. But that would've put Leia too young for the end of RO. I suspect they were just putting Tarkin as dominant. Someone just thought he was a tall slender old man.
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The pokes we see in ANH look similar to what I see in videos of real Kendo matches etc. Cautious moves rethought and cancelled etc. They were feeling each other out. The choreography was more about what a fight would be and less about what an audience would find visually most impressive. The duel was cautious and conservative for each their own fitting reasons, I think. Vader, who lost 3 limbs due to overconfidence the last time they dueled. Obi Wan, who is old and out of practice against a force sensitive foe.

There was some taunting there.
"You underestimate my power." to "Now, I am the master."
"I have the high ground." to "I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
Remember, the ominous Vader we see force whipping rebels wilts in the presence of Obi Wan, who left him dependent on that suit, tank and respirator. He would be unwise to lower his defenses.

The technique we see in ESB is Vader toying with Luke, not really trying to defeat him. ROTJ has Vader using two hands part of the time, as Luke has improved.

I still can't get over the red tint in Vader's lenses. I never noticed until I got annoyed by it in RO. I'm watching ROTJ, and there are the red lenses.

Overall I did like the film....that out of the way.  I still felt this was an unnecessary story to tell, at least in movie form.  I never once (nor anyone I know) had the drive to kn ow about the people who obtained the Death Star Plans.. it was a plot point and nothing more.  But that is how I feel about the Anthology films anyway, just my opinion.  I'll do a pro/con list to sum up:

Cons:
- I did not find the leads (Jones and Luna) to be very interesting and did not feel any Chemistry between the two.  TBH, they were rather dull.
- Bringing in CG Tarkin and Leia was a nice touch to connect it to the OT but it really took me out of the film as they looked like Video Game characters.
- It was too big of a story really.  What I mean is instead of big battles on planet and off, this should have been more Spy movie than War movie.  One or two character infiltrating the bases.
- The Music was awful.  It was overloud and did not match the tones (with few exceptions). 


Pros:
-K-2so, Chirrut Îmwe and Baze Malbus were the characters that stood out.
- The film as whole (except for the music) was very well crafted. 
- The connections forward to ANH and backward to Rebels was very nice to see.
- Krennic was a surprise in that he wasn't the type of villain i thought he was going to be.  Much more animated..(Are We Blind!!)
-  The Biggest Pro of all......KRIFFING VADER IN BEAST MODE!    Seriously, not only do we find out Vader lives in freaking Barad-dûr but we see why his name brings Terror across the galaxy.  I would watch a whole film of Vader wading through Rebels.

Like I said, not a horrible film but nor was it great.  The one discussion though is one of its connections to Rebels.  In the Rebel HQ You hear them page General Syndulla....so...was it Cham or did Hera get a promotion and IF it was Hera (the Ghost was in the fleet)...where are Kanan and Exra......

It was likely Hera since the Ghost and Chopper were present on Yavin.   The Phantom (whichever version they might have in a few years time) was missing.  So if Kanan and Ezra were still alive, they probably had the Phantom with them.   Though Mon Mothma and Bail Organa decide they need the Jedi now, thus going after Kenobi (the Key to destroying the Sith) to make sure the Alliance rallies against the Death Star.

I'm just glad there hasn't been any comments on this thread about the lack of Bothans in the movie.

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I believe Peter Cushing was 5ft 11 when he was alive. So not exactly short. Personally, I see nothing wrong with them having him appear a bit taller than the over Imperial officers.

 ;D

Someone in the Theater asked about Bothans after the movie

My reaction might have been:

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my group was asked for an interview after the movie....felt like a VIP that night.

Nice!

I turn into a teacher lol


The first step to celebrity  :P

comical part was the asking for interviews after the show. "oh we need a smoke 1st" "go ahead! we'll let you back in!"

"Are you kidding me?  I'm blind!"

Right? This seems like a super nit-picky thing.  Personally, I was a BIG fan of CGI Tarkin.  He was one of my favorite things about this movie.  Btw, Krennic is also 5'11, so I see nothing wrong with having Tarkin be a little taller. 

Wow, copping some real attitude from people for pointing out he was taller in R1 than he was in ANH.  It's cool, sorry for speaking up y'all, I'll drop out of this thread.

Well, I don't think anyone is "giving you attitude." Tone is pretty hard to read over the internet, but if you want to take it personally, I suppose that's your right, man.  I've seen a TON of people pointing out Tarkin's height all over the web and a lot of others don't see the big deal.  That's all that was said.

The height and physicality stood out to me the first time watching the film. It affected my involvement in the scene. If I left out things that others call nit-picky, even the quality of my own work would go down. I'm not gonna destroy the movie makers over it, but I don't see pointing it out as negative. It stood out to me, so I might mention it as well. It's not wrong to see these things. Seeing it in production helps film makers make a better film. If we can't talk about it after it's made, that's limiting for people to process.

On the issue of people expressing their feelings of films "positive" or "negative". Seeing a weakness in a film is not negative. Calling someone a name for being less stoked than you would be negative. Let's be responsible for how we treat people who like or dislike something. Have enough self control to let someone express their feelings without judging it as super this or that.

(Ducks too late. Stumbles. Can't get up.)

Why has it become popular to bash the prequels, but no one is allowed to see the flaws in TFA? I enjoyed all the films. The prequels were a different kind of story telling than the originals. TFA made some serious mistakes in the writing that put it firmly in place to weaken the arc of original characters for me. I enjoyed the first part, and not some later parts.

(Gets shot. Dies honest and a martyr for protecting the sanctity of moral lessons in film.)

That's right.  (But I didn't see any name calling.  We're adults, FFS.  Adults with LIGHTSABERS! )  Anyway, what might be a big deal to one person means nothing to someone else.  It's entirely subjective for the most part.  For example, the music in Rogue One was nearly unbearable to me, but that's my music theory background coming into play.  It nearly destroyed the movie experience for me.  However, I suspect the majority of fans wouldn't be affected by this, nor would it be considered something "major" to them.  That doesn't mean anyone is right or wrong.  

One thing I wanted to see in Rogue One but didn't get was some kind of cameo by Sidious.  Even if it was just a hologram, I was hoping he'd make an appearance.  I mean, everyone else was there.  Why not the Emperor?

Honestly, you could give me a whole movie with CGI Tarkin and I'd be first in line to see it.  That didn't bother me at all.  Quite the opposite, really.

Other than the lack of the crawl/scroll and the abrupt beginning, I somehow didn't notice the music. I left like, "I think it was the usual type music. Was it?" But it was just the usual at the end credits.

CGI Tarkin felt like a video game to me. Best I've ever seen, yet still obviously CGI. I know they had to do something. I didn't want to see recasting with look alikes. I was impressed with the reflection, and lost that feeling with direct view.

Despite no character using the Force, I felt that the Force had a purpose for each of them to play. When it was done with them, they died. Not before accomplishing what was needed and perhaps learning a lesson they needed to die at peace. In ANH, the Force was not so visualized for the audience. We see mind trick and Obi disappear. But Luke trusting in the "hokie religion" for the final shot at the Death Star was sort of like a parallel for faith in the story. "I'm one with the Force. The Force is with me." was something along that line as well. The Force took an unseen guiding role so things would come together to get the plans to the Rebels. In this way, they did a good job of keeping themes that I think made SW last through the years.

Chirrut 100% used the Force, if you ask me.  It was a different connotation, but I was really behind how they did that.  I thought it was perfectly done and demonstrated something that Maz said in Episode 7.  You don't have to be a Jedi to know the Force.  Chirrut knew the Force quite intimately and he trusted what he could not see or explain.  I SERIOUSLY admire the writers for the way they handled that for sure. 

100% agree ... i always thought he was a no Jedi force user warrior and i loved this idea ... But it seems that he was just a warrior with a lot of faith ;)

But it is sure that Chirrut is one of the best character in the SWU ;)

As far as Tarkin goes...it was weird to me at first cause of how much screen time he actually had but seeing it twice now and its really growing on me. I know its CGI but i liked how they had him in there and the people I went with actually couldn't tell.

I also do really love how they used the force despite no character being a Jedi



P.S still keep playing that Vader scene over and over in my head...

If you ask me, they used a disproportionately large amount of the "CGI character" budget on Tarkin compared to Leia. It was Ant-Man Michael Douglas compared to Tron Legacy Jeff Bridges. Tarkin was extremely well done to the point that I thought they were using Wayne Pygram with prosthetics like in Ep III. Leia, however, was in Uncanny Valley territory.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

The last 2-3 minutes was worth it all. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Finally a scene befitting how badass Vader is supposed to be. Thanks for the mild heads up, Jed. I also dug the scene with Krennic getting choked out. That was pretty sweet.

Was I the only one that thought it kind of had a surreal feeling that the movie didn't exactly feel SW?.............at least until the very end? I think it had something to do with the lack of this...
(http://img.lum.dolimg.com/v1/images/episode-1-crawl_228ffc5a.jpeg?region=152%2C0%2C1856%2C1044)

I loved the used of the digital makeup for Tarkin and Leia. The other throwbacks seemed a little forced, especially the scene bomb of Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba. Anybody else think it would have been highly unlikely those two just happened to be leaving the same day that are gets wiped out? (Or did I miss something*)

I loved how they introduced a spiritual aspect to the universe. At first I was opposed to this idea that a non-Force-sensitive having a connection to the Force. But after seeing the movie, I thought it was achieved brilliantly. I also liked how this movie was far more grounded by Ep4, in its expansion of weapons and vehicles. I thought they did a good job of not going nuts.

But I do have to ask.....Is there someone trying desperately to over compensate in the vehicle design department? ::) In the last 2 movies, the personal craft of the main baddie has had ridiculously sized wings.
(https://judebfood.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/kylo-cmmnd-shuttle.jpg)(http://im.ziffdavisinternational.com/ign_de/screenshot/default/krennics-raumschiff_4kkv.jpg)

The U-Wing wasn't much better.

All in all, I enjoyed it, and can't wait to see it again.


Anybody else think there was a nod to Starkiller (Galen Marek) in Galen Erso's Imperial garb?
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I absolutely hated how white-plastic the Star Destroyers looked.
(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/b8/Imperial_I-class_SD_-_RO.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160408013958)

Tell me the superstructure doesn't look like an unpainted model kit. Also, the physics behind that little hammer-head ramming maneuver bugged the shell out of me. An SD has to have a minimum of 20x the mass as that corvette. It's not going to be pushed into the other destroyer. I liked the concept, but the execution was severely flawed.

More WTF moments:
- Vader chilling on what looked like Mustafar.
- Hero-boy saving the day after taking a fall that should have killed him twice.
- Saying the DS had multiple reactors? Last check there was only one.
- Talk a big game about the DS going into hyperspace, and we don't get to see it? >:(


* Perfectly possible I missed some subtle plot points. I was exhausted Friday night, and nearly dosed off 3 times while watching.


I would have thought minutes.

Wouldn't the Hammerhead maneuver work the same way a tugboat pulls a massive ocean liner (minus gravity, and friction)?

This.

Because there is no gravity (or very little gravity, given the orbital location) and no air to provide resistance, I can totally see that Hammerhead pulling it off.

Yeah it was supposed to be a nod to him...though people thought they were actually going to have starkiller in it before release.
That was done on purpose... the original trilogy used models and they wanted to make it feel like the original trilogy were they could instead of doing CGI for them. Its the same reason when they switch to inside a X or Y wing it's an old film grain look. I actually liked it.

On the note of the ships..they just following the shuttle designs from the imperial shuttle and adding to it and with the DS...In new hope they say hit the main reactor that will set off a chain reaction just like they do in rogue. No they never say there's more than one but with a station that big it would make sense that there was.

Did anyone else notice the OTHER new TIE variant?  The one that looked very much like the TIE/striker, but had a flatter, wedge shaped front end and the two "wings" attached at the rear end by more solar panel material?

Please tell me I didn't imagine seeing a few of those at various points on Scarif.

There were TIE strikers yeah...The battlefront game EA had they dropped their rogue one DLC last week and it confirmed that those were TIE strikers.

Well, I think the film grain look was more for continuity's sake than nostalgia. After all, there's only so far you can digitally enhance a film reel before it starts looking like crap, so instead of sacrificing the integrity of the film reel and making Red and Gold Leader's look bad on the screen, they decided to clean up the film reel footage the best they could and then "degrade" the other in-cockpit stuff to match it up to the film reel footage in terms of quality. Basically, they found a happy medium between updating the old and preserving it without redoing the actors in CGI.

I think the gross difference in mass would be like a toddler trying to move a sumo.

I would have seriously lost my shell (as well as various other bodily functions) if they had resurrected the character.

I didn't mind the model-esque look. It was the unpainted look that bugged me. OT SDs were metal grey, not white.

"Single reactor ignition..."

Nope. I didn't want to criticize, as they might have been conceived as more stable low altitude "strike" craft. So I let them slide. ;)

With the hammerhead i wanna remind you that the destroyer it moved...was already disabled and going down slowly...the hamerhead merely pushed and directed it with its thrusters into another one. In space where  the slightest touch can cause something to move its very possible.

the single reactor ignition they said proves there more than one... Instead of fully blowing up the planet they said "target the city with single reactor ignition" and "fire when ready single reactor ignition"... it's why the laser didn't blow up the entire planet it only used one reactor. If there was only a single reactor it wouldn't make sense to make that specific command as EVERY ignition would be only single reactor. They never said there was only one reactor.

There was the TIE Striker, but also what looked to be a troop transport variant of the TIE Striker that the Death Troopers came into battle on near the end.

Someone said they saw a TIE Defender in the space battle.  Patterned after the design from Rebels.


The Hammerhead acted as a large set of maneuvering thrusters for the Star Destroyer.   It has been suggested these are the same ships supplied by Alderaan for Phoenix Group last year in Rebels, but had been modified in the three years they have been in Rebel service.  It would also give more reason for General Syndulla to be present at the battle in the Ghost if some of her ships are present in the fight.   I did not see any A-wings, not was their Quazar Fire=class carrier present.  I figure either she didn't have her whole force near Yavin, or they lose the carrier against Thrawn as some point later this season of Rebels.  The Phantom is also not present, meaning they lose it (again) or it is on a mission (likely Ezra and Kanan off someplace else, assuming they aren't dead yet, as the Alliance despertately wants to pick up Obi-wan at this point because they need a Jedi to rally behind).   

I agree that the hammerhead corvette was plausible. In the Navy, a corvette is a pretty generic term for a small bit very fast boat. A small but very fast shipping could easily build up enough momentum and inertia to make a massive object change course when resistance isn't a factor. Don't believe me? Apollo 13. When it went dead and was relying in gravity to maintain its course, they had to bag their urine, because expelling it would have altered the course of the ship.

Also, how do we know there weren't separate reactors that powered the DS and it's weapons? The laser, in theory, could have several reactors used to power it, while the main reactor powered everything else. That main reactor is what got blown up. Of course, I have no real knowledge of the DS schematics and designs, so I'm just throwing that out as an idea with no real evidence to back it up.

I can't find any images to illustrate the difference in size, but trust me...it wouldn't happen. Now one of those larger capital ships, definitely. Even though smaller, not as small as a corvette.

Duh. I was always under the impression that ALL power was derived from the Main. Oh well, I did like that they had given it a "dimmer switch."

The TIE/D is not from Rebels. It was from way back. Unless they have tweaked the design for SWR.

Ok then movie physicist....Armageddon. Jason Isaacs' character said you could throw 100 nukes at the asteroid, and it would still keep coming. The hammerhead would most like have bounced off the SD. Going off that the prow bit into the structure of the SD, yes its engines all-ahead full could eventually start to move the SD, but it would not have happened that fast.

But moot point, the results were spectacular. ;D ;D ;D Suck it, Bay. That's how you blow shell up.

They tweaked it slightly for Rebels I think.

Easily explained. The asteroid, aside from being the size of Texas, was already in motion at an incredible rate of speed.

The ISD, on the other hand, was pretty much stationary and, thanks to the ion shots, wasn't going anywhere.

It's Newton's first law of motion: An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.

This is why lobbing a hundred nukes at the asteroid wouldn't work. It might slow it down a bit, but it won't destroy it. That's why they were on such a timetable to drill the holes and detonate the nuke. They had to split it in two so the two halves would separate enough to pass the Earth without colliding. They couldn't blow it up even with every nuclear weapon ever made three times over, so they had to strategically get around the problem, or in this case, make the problem go around them.

In Rogue One, the ISD is pretty much stationary when the Hammerhead strikes it. That alone would have been enough to destabilize its position, but then they kept pushing. Think of it like being in a swimming pool. You're laying down, floating, and pretty much still. Someone nudges you, and what happens? You move... just a bit, but you move, and you keep moving. That's a small version of a single unbalanced force acting upon a stationary object. Now, same scenario, but this time someone is pushing you and giving it everything they have. You will move faster and further than with a single push.

Not movie physics. Real physics. I read Jim Lovell's book Lost Moon, before it got renamed Apollo 13 because of the movie, and he went into detail that they did exactly what we saw in the movie for that exact reason.

Like Jev said, in Armageddon, they were out of time, not that they couldn't change its course. They wouldn't be able to change it enough. The idea of moving an asteroid instead of blowing it up is the prevailing thought amongst scientists about how to deal with it. The trick is detecting it and reaching it on enough time.

I'll agree, with you, though, that it likely would have taken longer, and that it was spectacular.  :)

If there's one thing we could definitely gripe about when it comes to how they depict space flight, it's the fighters. Without thrusters covering their bodies, they wouldn't fly anything like that due to a lack of air resistance, but I digress.

I'm really glad you liked it. I did, too. BTW, did you notice what he did to that guy he Force pinned on the ceiling?

Didn't he reflect a blaster shot into him?

Key word "unbalanced" as in F_acting > F_resisting. Basically, the moving momentum (mass x velocity) of the hammerhead had to be grater than the standing momentum of the SD, in which case the velocity is that of the moving hammerhead. Ergo, since M_SD > M_HH the momentum of the HH is insufficient to move the SD. At least not that fast.

Ah, but in space there are no other resistances to counteract, so as long as the HH can apply enough pressure to move it to begin with, the thrusters can keep applying more and more relative force to the ISD because the ISD is now in motion, and the relative forward velocity of the HH is being added to the ISD's momentum. It's like a merry go round. The first push to turn it is the hardest, but once you get it going, it takes less and less energy to move it faster.


From what I saw, he pretty much bisected him as an afterthought.

yeah i saw the saber go back as an after thought just with all the blaster fire couldn't tell if it was a redirect or him actually cutting... either way it looked sweet.

Thank you, you're the only one who got what I was saying when I said the OTHER new TIE design.  I meant the design that had the same basic "wing" design as the TIE/sk, but with continuity of the solar panel across the aft portion and the wedge shaped forward hull.  And what you suggest, that it was the transport that the Death Troopers got out of makes a ton of sense.  I actually found myself wondering, during my second watching (had to take my son, after all) just what they'd disembarked from.  For a fast moving, small team of spec ops type troopers, a fast TIE insertion ship makes a heck of a lot of sense.  Hope we see more details on it soon (looking at you, LEGO, in particular).

Also, another thing that I really liked seeing was the Death Troopers firing from prone, nestled into a crest of the beach sand.  Nice to see them fighting like they really mean it.

No.


Yes, without looking, behind his back and overhead. It was pretty brutal. And I thought it was great!

It made the meme I put up in the meme section about him being back come to life.

True, but considering that the HH can easily fit into the engine cone of the ISD, and the ISD requires 3 of them to move with any decent amount of speed......


Tried finding what you're talking about. This was the best result

(http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/frontsquare/jjti_death_trooper_plaid_tie.jpg)

Yeah, I did a ton of searches, and it seems there are no pics of it (or even of the TIE/sk from movie footage, just toys and promo art) online yet.  Keep an eye out for what I described if you go see it again.  I distinctly remember at least one of them, in formation with other ships, seen flying over the beach.  The shot was from overhead, looking down.  There were one or two other sightings, too.

Was it this thing?

(http://overmental.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/IMG_1091.jpg)

No.  Picture the TIE Striker from above, wings in the lower position.  Add a connecting portion of "solar panel" wing material across the top, connecting the rear portions of the "wings".  Flat, wedge shaped nose, actually kind of similar to the U-Wing's forward hull.  I got the impression it was larger, too.

I know what you're talking about. I noticed it in my second viewing. Wookieepedia has a TIE aircraft labeled as "unidentified TIE transport." That's probably why we can't find any images.

(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah119/JediXIX/Tie%20Striker%20Variant_zpsbputejl2.png) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/JediXIX/media/Tie%20Striker%20Variant_zpsbputejl2.png.html)

Bwahahahaha!  Vindication!

One thing that made the Vader Hallway scene feel real to me, aside from the use of Force powers and economy of movement, was when he first ignited the saber. It looked like the old rotoscoped style from ANH. Really brought me back.

That image was so damn cool. I really need a HD screenshot of that image as my wallpaper or something.

Just watched it last night and opinion thus far . . .

I enjoyed it with some elements that I thought were fun and a few that were down right awesome, but not my favourite. Comparing both new movies I enjoyed TFA much more.

Overall I think we could've done without this story, something more unique or from the EU would've made a deeper impact for me.

As a SW fan I'll be adding this DVD to my collection.

Lastly - I didn't notice any region or planetary designation for Vaders layer - does anyone know if it was on Mustafar?

Word of God says it was on Mistafar. Makes sense too. It was the site of his greatest defeat, so the Emperor wants him there to remember and not let it happen again.

Creepy ... I like it.

Mustafar is hot enough to boil up the water in the bacta tank. Hot springs for Vader!  :P

I guess that makes sense. But what on earth is supposed to keep him there? ::)

It was all fun, fun, fun, till Palpy took the speeder away.  ;)

(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-63730-dr-evil-right-gif-imgur-tumblr-xfWD.gif)

It's his castle, with relatively few other people present, where he can do as the apprentice in a duo of Sith Lords does.  Plot to take over as master.

Of course he does have the Emperor's agents watching him (and it won't be just the Royal Guards we saw), but he's got far fewer prying eyes around him than he would have on his star destroyer.

His own desire to self-flagellate. It is where he pretty much killed Padme.

I thought a few things about Chateau de Vader. I immediatley figured it was on Mustafar, because that is one of, if not the only lava plabet we have. At first I thought what someone else said earlier, that Palpatine made him stay on Mustafar as a painful reminder of his failure. Then I thought that maybe Vader chose to stay there.

It looked like the lava was the fuel for his castle. It flowed in, and it flowed out differently. Maybe he was trying to show his command and mastery over what put him in the suit. Then I thought a little bit more.

The structure resembled the spire on the temple at Jedha.

(http://static.srcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/star-wars-rogue-one-star-destroyer.jpg)

Maybe he copied the design to remind him of who he was, because we all know there was still good in him.

My conclusion is that it represents the entirety of his character as Anakin the Jedi and Vader the Sith, and it was his choice to stay there. That's just me, though.

Anybody else notice the lack of a reactor bubble on that ISD? Unless they weren't as pronounced in ANH as in ESB & ROTJ.


And when are we gonna get this?

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(http://www.doddlenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/A-New-Hope-Opening-Scene-Star-Destroyer-and-Tantive-IV.jpg)

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/7/74/Devastator-ANH.png/revision/latest?cb=20130310064258)

(https://ravereader.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/sw_stardestroyer.jpg)

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/5/51/Devastator.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070906201418)

Looks about right to me.

It just don't look right. Like the ship is tilted.

Could Vader's Lair be Bast Castle on the planet Vjun from the EU/Legends (and Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy) and Disney just "Borrowed" the idea?

Here's an image to illustrate.
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/swfanon/images/8/8c/BAST_CASTLE.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100617001641)

Bast Castle was the old version and they probably would have kept it save that they realized they already has a perfectly good lava planet with significance to Lord Vader in the canon already...so they dropped him on Mustafar.   Could have been an old Sith temple for all we know.

As for the ISD over the city, its the lighting that makes the dome seem off.  The shadows are long like the sun is rising or setting.  Where the rest of the shots they are trying to keep the model nicely lit.

I highly recommend the Darth Vader comics Logos - this sort of thing happens between Vader and the Emperor near constantly.
Emperor constantly sends potential replacements to keep Vader on edge/try to kill him, Vader constantly calculating when he can move freely or against Palpy, Emperor rewarding Vader when he manages to disobey him successfully.
Vader thinks he can beat Palpy - but he does fear him.
Them Sith and their sithy sithness.

Other note - Saw the movie.
Thought the beginning was jarring and wasn't into the music.
Didn't find myself caring too much for the characters (except k2so) until real late in the movie.
Tarkin's face could have been fine if they didn't hold on it so long all the damn time and obscured it a little. Thought Leia's face looked great.
Thought the third act redeemed most of the complaints I had - it was around then that I quit noticing the music pulling me out of the movie too.

Overall I think it's a solid addition.
I was really happy to see the rebellion portrayed in many shades of gray instead of good guys are good guys bad guys are bad guys.
Vader is a force to be reckoned with and it was nice to see it on the big screen instead of just in Rebels or the comics.
 
I'd probably rank it 4th or 5th overall as far as movies go.

I'd like to see it again so I can look at it a bit more critically.

Doing a double feature today. Going to go see this again, and then after, go see Assassin's Creed.

This is our "Easter Egg" viewing.  :D

Mostly agreed with Drahcir's comments- including the Vader comic.

That is a must-read.

My biggest issue aside from things he covered was the Rebellion initially calling it a day when they got the 411 on the Death Star.

That just felt like the absolute worst kind of completely forced, manufactured Drama since we already know from history (and the Rogue One advertisements) the Rebels were there to get the transmission.

I thought the Cast, Cinematography & Action were all superb.

Chirrut was definitely a highlight for me; always enjoy seeing the concept of The Force and people's belief / use of (if only to a very small degree) expanded beyond Jedi.

"Are you kidding me?! I'm blind!"

May have to give it a look. As long as it doesn't get weird on me.

Felt the same about the characters. I initially thought I was going to hate Chirrut & Baze, but as far as the "meat sacks" went, those 2 were my faves.

Amen to the 3rd act.

Going to see again Saturday afternoon.


I think whoever came up with the droid's name was a chemistry major and likes potassium sulfate: K₂SO₍₄₎.

That or they love cheese...

K2-SO --> KK-SO --> Kays-So --> Queso


Maybe it's me that loves cheese...

I think it's you.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUX5q0EUtsM

I have been slayed.

+1 Tepes.

One of the guys from How It Should Have Ended reviews Rogue One, and every point he makes at the end is EXACTLY how I feel about this movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azAhWssdmkI



*sadface*


*remembers the block of ghost pepper cheddar in the refrigerator*


"HAPPY FACE*

I wish I could tell you guys what I saw paralleled when I saw this movie, but it's something that I can't discuss on the forum.  I whispered it to my friend multiple times.  Let's just say that even though it didn't knock me out for a STAR WARS story, I saw some very eerie similarities between the movie and some real life events.  I can appreciate that personal take-away.

There are a ton of Easter Eggs in that movie.

Example:
Blacksaber,
General Syndulla,


Those are two of the biggest ones that I saw(or heard).


Overall, it was a very good movie. Not sure of my feelings about it yet, but it was very well done. I really hated that they killed all the characters. Leia looked terrible, Tarkin was okay, and Darth Vader's fight scene was epic.

Interest peaked...

Oh my goodness that final fight scene with Vader was amazing!!! I almost want to go see it again just for that.  :-\  I wasn't much of a Vader fan before, but that scene moves him to a new level of awesomeness.  My family firmly believes that Sith are evil (:() and want me to explain why I like it. I'm stumped. It was awesome seeing Vader do that, what else can I say?

Overall, I think it's a solid addition, but it's not my favourite SW movie. K-2SO was my favourite new character, worst scene was when he died. I didn't like how they killed everyone when I was watching it, but really, they didn't have a choice. They're not in ANH, so yeah.

In honor of the holidays:

"Said the cameo to the Star Wars faaaaaaans....

Do you see what I seeeeeeeeee?"

(http://i.imgur.com/YCAQIUq.jpg)

A Ghost, a Ghost
Sitting in the wings

With a hull that don't exactly gleam...

Badass is badass good or evil.  Never met anyone who said they weren't a Vader fan

Also X-wings with not only Red or Blue markings, but also what looks like Gold and Green markings.

I'm not a Sith fan, either, but I thoroughly enjoyed that scene. I can justify it, because I'm a SW fan, and Vader was supposed to be the fearsome, terror inducing figure no matter where he went, but on the big screen, we never really got a glimpse as to why. Now we do. That's the Vader skill and personality we have been yearning for since 1977, and now we finally have it.

Was it over the top brutal? Yes. Was it evil? Absolutely. And that's what made it great, because that's who Vader is supposed to be. Like I said, I'm not a Sith fan, but the SW fan in me wanted to stand up and cheer.

Transitional Vader from PT to OT.

Perfect! I think I'll read this out loud to them if it's fine with you.

Exactly!


Good right ahead, that's why I offered it. I hope it helps. Also, if you need to, remind them that it's entertainment and fantasy. It's not like you just paid money to see a guy do that in real life.

I also talked with my 5 year old about it afterwards, because you could tell he was trying to process what he just saw.

I asked him if Vader did some cool moves. I asked if Vader was a good fighter. He said yes to both. I asked if he did good things or bad things with those cool moves. "Bad things." I then asked what did Vader do at the end of ROTJ. "He made the right choice and became a good guy at the end." He then smiled. Beautiful! At 5, he got it as best he could. This scene makes his redemption that much more meaningful and powerful. If your parents are into redemption, and I have a feeling they are, remind of them that it's part of his total arc working towards his final act.

Nice! Point for this little nugget!

While I would argue that Sith aren't "bad guys" that's not for this thread and doesn't detract from your neat story.  :)

The X-wings on Jedha have black stripes.   Black Squadron I suppose.

could call it 1 more swipe from EU, rogue squadron series.

Per the visual guide, Saw Gerrera's group had a total of six T-65s, but four of them were slowly getting more and more cannibalized to keep the other two flying.

Would you be willing to discuss via PM?


"Don't shoot him. You'll just make him mad."
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No he didn't. He saved his kid. I've always questioned how this automatically makes him a good guy. :P


Saw this again on Christmas Eve. I'm not finished with TCW yet, but I had just finished the arc with Saw, and was instantly more disappointed in the character in the movie. NTM I noticed a blatant disregard for good story telling. Someone referenced trying to talk to Saw's sister. Unless he had another that I'm unaware of, Steela is long dead by the time R1 takes place. Oops.

Also confirmed my suspicions....I really don't like Cassian.

And reeeeeaaaaaaaaallllllllyyyyy wish they could have done more with Chirrut and Baze.

He saved his kid, and he turned his back on and destroyed the Sith. Killing the emperor and returning to the Light left a total of 0 Sith. It was the totality of his act. Lucas is on record as saying that act fulfilled the prophecy.

Yeah.....well Lucas ain't in charge no mo'. ô¿o

It's just that considering that he dies, he doesn't have much opportunity to show us his new colors. I guess we can consider it a done deal seeing as how he gets a Force ghost. ::)

Right in all those points. And, he verifies to Luke that there was still good in him. His eyes aren't yellow in the end, etc.

It's just like his turn to the DS. How can one act signal a complete change in ideology? One act didn't. He always walked the edge. Sometimes he was pulled to the Light, and sometimes he was pulled to the Dark, because he always acted more out of emotion than rational thought or logic. Because of this, some of his acts were noble, honorable, and good, while others were evil and hurtful. His last act, though, was fueled by his love and willingness to sacrifice himself to save someone. That's the Jedi in him that was never fully driven away, much like the darkness was never fully driven away in his youth. Had he survived, who knows.

In the end, though, he finished on the Light Side.

Lucas is full of himself and doesn't have an understanding of the word "balance."

I'm of the firm belief that Anakin was fulfilling the prophecy when he turned to the Dark Side and started killing Jedi. A true balance to the Force would have been precisely two Jedi and two Sith, and at first, it was (Vader, Palpy, Ben, and Yoda). Later it becomes even more balanced because Ben and Yoda die, then Vader sacrifices himself to take out Palpy. This would have left Luke as the only Force User. Even though he said "I am a Jedi, like my father before me," he wasn't really a Jedi because he didn't go through all the indoctrination and stuff that Force Sensitives did. It's like knowing how to design a house and calling yourself an architect without ever having gone through school and certification.

But nooooo, they had to go crazy with the idea of Jedi surviving Order 66 and the subsequent purge, both pre and now post Disney. Seriously, the number of survivors makes me wonder exactly how Vader was so trusted by the Emperor if he couldn't accomplish a single task. It's approaching Superman levels of ludicrousness ("I'm the only survivor of the planet Krypton... Except for my cousin, a deranged psychopath, a genetically modified killing machine, an AI that likes to kill everything, a fascist dictator, his henchmen, a couple of explorers, these guys over here, those guys over there, and..." Come on now. There are apparently enough Kryptonian survivors for a varied enough gene pool to restart the damned civilization, but I digress...).

I actually really liked Cassian by the end of the movie. At the beggining of the movie I was really mad that they did that to his character, but then they fixed it.

Yes, they were cool. Baze looked like one of the mercs in Kanjaclub (probably spelled that wrong) from TFA.

When they talk about balance, it's always from the Jedi perspective, and it's always Jedi talking about it. That will always mean a lack of darkness. That is their definition of balance. It's not meant to be like measuring scales. Kind of like how Palpatine talks about having peace and security while blowing up planets. That's his idea of peace and security. All of his dissidents are eliminated.

And, finding single individuals who are trying desperately to hide, knowing they are hunted when, "there are so many uncharted settlements," while also trying to build an empire and the ultimate weapon would be a little difficult when you think of the size of a galaxy.

Have someone fly over Texas and throw a rock out of the plane. Now, you go out on foot and find that rock. Good luck.

Hmm... Well, if we know the T.E.L.L. (Time Elevation Latitude Longitude) of the plane, which we would due to instrumentations, we can use simple mathematics to narrow down the search to probably a five square kilometer area, which is not that difficult to comb over with a regular number of searchers.

But you don't. He didn't know where they ran off to. Nice try.  :)

His eyes weren't yellow when he was crying after killing the separatist leaders, either.

What a perfectly good waste of a Sith. :P

Yeah........


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This made way more sense. But the "good" guys can't possibly be expected to play on a level field. Hence why the Sith only need 2....the Jedi are a bunch of corrupt whiners. Reminds me of another group... ::)

He was way too.......WWII French-resistance-esque for my taste. It just came across cliché.

It's called a spy network.

Spy: "Lord Vader, I saw some crazy $#!% going down. I think it might be a Jedi."
Vader: "Good work."
Spy: "<ahem> Payment?"
Vader: "<ahem> Not killing you."
Spy: "Oh right." <nervously chuckles>

Also yes.

<AHEM> Spy network?

Probably due to his remorse. Just like they weren't yellow when he saw Padme. His love for her dominated his thoughts. Again, it's all part of his walking the edge and being pulled in two different directions.

Spy network:
Because we all know how trusty those can be. ::)
And, do you think the Jedi would walk around doing all sorts of crazy $#!+?
And, there are still "so many uncharted settlements."

Numbers of surviving Jedi by the number of known systems verse the total population of those systems and the number of spies and enforcers actively searching for said Jedi.  Finding less than 100 surviving Jedi over the course of say 20 years across millions if not billions of star systems with trillions of residents is going to be difficult.  Instead of a needle in a haystack it becomes finding a specific atom in the needle after finding it in the haystack, after searching the entire planet for the correct haystack.

But after the whole back-fired lightning incident, Sidious's eyes were constantly yellow.

Spy network:
Because we all know how trusty those can be. ::)
And, do you think the Jedi would walk around doing all sorts of crazy $#!+?
And, there are still "so many uncharted settlements."
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You just need to have something they want. Y'know?.....like allowing their continued existence.


Those idiots in the FO managed to find 1 droid in only a matter of hours...

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followed by....

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Sidious no longer needed to control his anger and rage. It's the fire inside that burns to turn their eyes yellow.

From wookieepedia:

"The eyes of some Force-sensitives changed from their original colors to shades of fiery red-rimmed yellow when they were deeply immersed in the dark side of the Force."

So if Palpatine, one of the greatest users of Force stealth, needed to hide his signature, he would also need to quench the fire and allow his eyes to be their natural color.

This is a very important point. As I recall (at least pre-Disney), a settlement or group found to be harboring Jedi during that time would be considered enemies of the Empire en masse and treated accordingly. That means imprisonment if you were lucky with immediate execution being the preferred punishment. Recall what the Empire did to Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru for simply unwittingly purchasing droids that were being sought by the Empire.

But there were also places with little to no imperial presence.

I'm just saying it's possible to easily explain why some were missed. And, Vader did a pretty good job. By ROTJ, Luke was the only one left. Even Yoda acknowledged that.

By the time of Rebels it seems there are maybe five to ten Jedi left, with most being Padawans and padawans of padawans.  Vader is starting to want them alive in his continued effort to find Obi-wan Kenobi.  He doesn't know that Yoda lives, even Palpatine isn't sure about Yada. 

Rogue One shows that while the Rebellion can function, they really need a Jedi to rally behind to keep it unified.  Also in case of Vader.  But on that count, there really isn't anyone good enough to really stop him.  Kenobi was there only hope, until they get a new hope.

I interpreted his form of stealth as a variant of the Force ability, in which a Sith can maintain a normal appearance in spite of the usual ravages of the Dark Side. Primarily the ash grey skin and yellow eyes. I always believed that the eyes just stuck after prolonged use. Like how your parents warned you about crossing your eyes....


As much as it makes me cringe, SWR is canon. Therefore, Vader had his toady squad of Inqs.

Also, despite being relegated to "Legend", I recommend reading Cloak of Deception and Darth Plagues. They paints a brilliant picture into how wide spread the Sith had their fingers in the unseen affairs of the galaxy. Order 66 was merely the lynch pin. The system of underground intel was well established before Palpatine became chancellor.

I now have this mental image of Plaguis and Sidious...

Plaguis: "Now now, Sidious, don't let your eyes go yellow or they'll get stuck that way, and then how will you do what needs to be done?"

Sidious: "But, Maaaaaasteeeeerrrrr..."

Plaguis: "Don't you 'but master' me young apprentice! Now un-yellow those eyes right this second or there will be no dessert after supper tonight!"

Sidious (sulking): "Fiiiiiiiine." *unyellows his eyes*

Plaguis: "That's better. Now, let's go get us a Jedi to kill. Won't that be fun?"

Sidious: "YAAAAAAAAY!!!"

Post of the day. +1

My initial impression was that it was much easier for me to care for Jyn Erso than it was for Rey.  Jyn was a lot of what I hoped Rey would be--I felt like we saw more evidence of the trauma she went through and there was no hint ever of her being a Mary Sue like Rey is to me.

I had done such a good job of avoiding spoilers that the deaths in the end all caught me by surprise and it was like a real punch in the gut.  I am also a big fan of how the flaw in the Death Star was "legitimized," and like others, I enjoyed the hidden shout-out to General Syndulla. ;)

I am going to have to disagree strongly with Noctis on the score given that I have never been a John Williams fan at all--so for me, I was VERY glad to see something with certain familiar themes, but different.  And I have also been a Michael Giacchino fan for a while, since he started his work on the Star Trek series, to the point where I have seen two of his scores performed by a live orchestra and hope to see Beyond and now Rogue One with the same orchestra in the next few years.  I'm on the road right now and away from the laptop with my CD burner, but I have a CD of the score just waiting to be ripped onto my computer and phone and I am very impatient to get home and get that done so I can listen.

I was not a fan of CGI Tarkin at all: while the tech is improving somewhat, they still have not found a way to overcome the uncanny valley problem.  The movement isn't right--too "fluid" in the face and too jerky in the body, and the textures too perfect and out of step with the grittiness of the rest of the cinematic technique, which had a greater focus on practical effects than, say, the prequels.  I saw the same issue with the textures with CGI Leia, but that scene was mercifully brief.  IMO Tarkin would not have stood out so much if they had kept his appearances FAR briefer and kept his back turned or had him out of focus most of the time.

That said, to me the CGI actors were the only real fail of the movie.  Otherwise I was satisfied and hope to see it again soon.  And...sorry, Noctis, but I do think that score is going to get a lot of play time as a part of my Giacchino collection. ;)

Got to remember, Rey's full story hasn't been told yet...

And that certainly is true, but at this point she is most certainly in a deficit with me that it will take something very impressive to dig out from.

Gonna be honest, I don't see the problems others seem to see in Rey...everything she could do easily has a reason....  But you may have inspired an idea for me DJ.  Look for a new post from me soon in the Star Wars section

@Darth Justicar: I too avoided spoilers till I watched the movie, and shared the same shock at everyone getting killed. I am still not sure of how much I like it because of that. Jyn was awesome, and I am really starting to like Felicity Jones. I don't think I am happy with her death.


You share in my opinions, and I also already replied to your thread with my two very small, minor, insubstantial, and did I say small annoyances with her. Other than those, I loved her.

Thanks and that is the problem I have with these Anthology films.  There really was no way it could have ended without them all dying... if not then they would have to explain where they were in the OT.   That's also the issue with Rebels. 

But that also shows the might of the empire, the odds they were up against, and the sense of urgency the rebellion had. It also shows the strength of the characters we came to know and love from the OT.

putting things in perspective we could use the same points on the prequils too, we knew the Jedi were gone, Anakin turned to evil as Vader. regardless we watched the films and we liked and disliked a lot of it.
Rogue One is the same in that regard. we knew those characters had to die to explain why we don't see them again. still a great story, parts we loved and parts we didn't. a good story draws you in and makes you care for the characters....they did their job well.

and I had the same issue with the Prequels.  the difference is we knew Anakin became Vader and the Jedi were gone...but not the finer details that were important.  With Rogue One...the details were not important..at least imo.  Some Rebels stole the plans and got them to Leia....said and done.  No real need to invent Jyn, her father and the others.  I really cared very little for any of the character to be honest.  The more I think on it, the more I think Rogue One would have been a much more interesting film if it was told from the Empires Perspective

I tend to agree with you that this was a story that didn't need to be told, but I think there were some good finer points that RO gave us, and I am glad it was told.

• The DS flaw as a sabotage.
• The DS can travel through hyperspace.
• Kyber crystals were the source of the weapon's power, which explains why the empire locked down all the caves and other crystal supplies.
• We got other examples of non Jedi Force users.
• Vader really was who we thought he was - frightening.

I've been meaning to ask...

Does this mean the DC crystal "canon" has already been nullified if the Empire was capable of finding and weaponizing kyber crystals?  :-\

I know Disney essentially rewrote the entire book about crystals, but I don't know what you mean about DC crystal canon, so I don't know. Can you explain?

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The whole BS bit that "only Jedi can sense kyber crystals and Sith have to steal them...blah, blah, blah."

Ah, so your use of DC means Disney Canon? I didn't know their canon stated that Sith had to steal them. I thought Sith could find them and had to "bleed" them to turn them red.

To be honest with you, this just helps prove what they did with crystals is one of the most confusing can of worms I've come across, and we've discussed this on different threads, but I'll say it again. They attempted to answer a few questions about crystal and blade colors, but they decided to rewrite the whole thing. In doing so, they created far more questions and issues then they resolved.

To answer your question, I don't know if their crystal canon has been nullified, because their crystal canon doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I don't understand it, because of all the questions I still have about it.

Yeah. I refuse to call it "New" because half of it is crap, and the other half is recycled. XÞ

Thusly my hatred of it. It made infinitely more sense according to the OC. "Hey I found a green crystal, therefore my saber blade will be green." Done and done.

And I've already said my bit about the Sith having to do stupid shell to get a crystal to work.

Funniest Rogue One review/critique ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyzs1MPMXB4

In Rogue One we see the Empire is stealing kyber crystals from old Jedi and other Force related temples, and in Rebels we see the Empire is hunting for other Jedi temples as well once they follow the Rebels to the one on Lothal.  From the Ahsoka novel we know that the Empire has locked down and is likely strip mining Illum (which may eventually have become Starkiller Base).  In the novel Catalyst we are basically told the Empire took all the kyber crystals from the Jedi's lightsabers in the Jedi Temple and used them during the experimental stages of working out how to make the Superlaser.  We know from the Clone Wars and Rebels that rare huge kyber crystals can be found and are what the Death Star was originally designed to use.  We know there were experiments to make synthetic crystals for the Death Star but these seemed to have failed, or are just not up to the standards of real crystals for the Empire's purposes.  

So yes the Empire steals as many kyber crystals as they can find and strip mines worlds known to have such crystals in an effort to find more.  We don't know just how many kyber crystal weapon based projects the Empire really has going on.  Could be a few dozen for all we know, if they aren't just using them in all their turbo lasers and the like to make Imperial weapons superior to all the Rebel's old Clone Wars era knock off weapons.

As for the colors and such, I still think the idea of the Sith and Jedi using the Force to craft the crystal into their lightsaber is appropriate and basically what the old canon has going on anyway, even with the synthetic versions the Sith or Jedi used the Force in the crafting.   The Jedi use the Force to harmonize the crystal to themselves via the Will of the Force, so it comes out whatever color suits them.  The Sith dominate the Force to their will and order (as in arrange things into a specific pattern) the crystal into a specific powerful pattern which turns out to make the blades red every time.  The Jedi see this as unnatural and will attempt to "correct" this if they get their hands on these crystals by harmonizing with them if they make a new blade with them.   Remember many things in Star Wars are based on point of view and when it comes to kyber crystals, we only really see it from the Jedi's point of view.  It seems just slapping one into a lightsaber without at least checking it in the Force could result in the weapon's destruction and possible death of the user.  Even one that has be tuned might not be turned for your saber as every hilt is unique and handcrafted by the user so the power supply, diameter or the hilt, and all the other electronics and parts might not work with just any crystal without first at least checking to make sure the crystal doesn't just shoot the bland at a 170 degree angle from the power source and burn a hole in your hilt on activation.   We see the Giant rare crystal just blast powerful bolts in random directions when hit with blaster fire in the Clone Wars.  That it took the Empire 20 years or so to figure out how to get these crystals to fire as the Superlaser based on ancient Sith weaponry is impressive, especially since they had to use large and small crystals and tune it so it didn't blow itself up like one of the early prototypes did.

I'm fine with the idea of them saying a crystal "singing" to a specific force sensitive. It keeps a little mysticism there, and it explains why, in TCW, some padawans see a crystal while others don't.

I'm fine with them saying a crystal is colorless, and it gets tuned to a specific color based on that user's Force alignment. Blue for warriors, green for diplomats, yellow, red, etc. I'm also ok with them saying the crystal will stay that color. It explains why the Graflex is blue and will always be blue, even though Luke's crystal color is obviously green, but the Graflex never changes, even after Anakin turns. It also explains why, in TCW, all of the crystals we see are a pale, translucent blue. I think they're supposed to be colorless, but they had to make them visible. I do prefer the old explanation better, though. The color of the crystal determines the color of the blade. It's much simpler. But, they had to answer that TCW question. It can also explain how a Jedi could switch colors later in life if they crafted a new saber. Say, going from a blue to a green. They're more of a diplomat, now. Although the artists should've just colored the frigging things. Again, it's just simpler.

I do not, do not, do not like them saying that all lightsaber crystals are kyber crystals. There are no synthetics anymore, nor can you use other crystals to make a lightsaber. How did Luke end up with a crystal? And don't give me the, it's from Qui-Gon's saber. I don't think Obi-Wan and Yoda wouldve made an effort to go get that extra saber. Get in, decode, gather intel, and get out. Moving on. How did Sith get crystals if all of the Kyber caves were under Jedi control? Wouldn't stealing them or killing Jedi signalled their arrival and return? What about Mace's purple crystal? How come he's the only one who has one? Oh, because he always walked between light and dark (red and blue) with his fighting style? Ok, then Anakin should've had a purple one, too. Oh, wait, he can't. OT established that already. How would other Jedi who survived get one if they needed to? With synthetic and other crystals being accepted, all of these questions are easily and neatly answered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSoViykvjUg

Also,

I want a sound font, or at the very least, that ignition sound.

In RO, we see that kyber crystal can be identified and used for laser focusing without the use of the Force. It is a rock that can be used in technology. In Heir to the Jedi, we see that the crystal(s) must be aligned within very small space in a lightsaber construction where it can't be reached via tools from the outside, thus one uses the Force to align it.

I haven't read Ahsoka yet. Just got it from the library today. But, I've read that the kyber crystals are difficult to see amidst the ice all around. I would posture that the Force can guide a patient Jedi who listens to the Force toward a kyber crystal for their lightsaber, not that a crystal will hide or choose a Hogwart-Jedi. I would also posture that a Sith is doing something to change the crystal, where a Jedi may not. This doesn't mean a Sith is doing something uniform to perfect it necessarily, though that fits old canon from Book of Sith. The color of Jedi crystals is not yet fully explained in Dis-canon. Perhaps the crystal had a color already when it 'sang'. Perhaps it responds to the Jedi who aligns it. Heir to the Jedi has an example of a purple lightsaber with three purple kyber crystals. It seemed slippery to Luke. He wasn't sure if it was rodian design by the original Jedi who owned it, or if it was the saber(or crystal) refusing him while his father's saber accepted him.

In TCW, we see a group of padawans gathering crystals to build their lightsabers. In the episode, as they're wandering, they individually start to hear a strange noise. The one in the group that hears the noise, because the others state they don't, also sees a crystal that is often out in the open. The others cannot see it. In that example, the Force is guiding specific individuals to specific crystals. It is very much like Harry Potter and the wands.

Again, though, I'm OK with it. I like the other version better, but I find it easy to accept, even if it's not the easiest explanation.

Just saw the movie.

Did NOT like the new music or lack of title crawl, though the latter is understandable.

K2SO had a really funny attitude. I love the camaraderie between Baze and Chirrut.

I went eeeeee when Vader started kicking Rebel butt.

I used the scene when Saw's Rebels attacked the transport as a weapon in my Empire vs Rebellion debates with my stepsister.

Another thing really bugged me, why did the X-Wings have TFA thrusters?

To me, the music just wasn't as impressive as the other movies. There should have been a title crawl, and Edwards actually showed one. It was basically the same as ANH's, but once it got the the rebels stealing the DS plans part, it started flickering and making electrical crackling sounds. The crawl was supposed to be different, and that is one of the things that a lot of people wanted to see.

I completely get their reasoning for no crawl though...it separates these movies from the saga films.

It may be worth noting that TCW had no title crawl for episodes, although the counter argument that the narration and video that sets the stage for each episode takes the crawl's place can also be made.

I don't know, the lack of title crawl is something that I can see both sides of, both in wanting that iconic intro, and in separating the side movies from the main episodic story.

They also had the quote though.

I too can see both sides, but I am leaning more towards the "I want it" side.

The title crawl isn't really necessary for Rogue One, and in fact would be rather hard to work in correctly.

Think about it... every Opening Crawl has summarized exactly what has happened prior to the film's beginning just to give the audience a bit of backstory.

The difference with Rogue One is that this movie has something that no other Star Wars movie to date has had... a HUGE timeskip right smack dab in the middle of the film.

So how do you do the opening crawl given this fifteen year time skip (assuming you don't edit the movie to remove the first part with Jyn as a kid)?

Do you explain what happened prior to the beginning of the film? That would seem rather wasteful of the opening crawl just for ten minutes of film that results in a mother being killed, a father abandoning his kid, and the kid getting rescued by a guy who sounds like he smokes three packs of cigarrettes per day, followed by a gap in time than is almost four times the time gap between RotS and R1's beginning.

Realistically, you'd need a crawl to show what happens in that fifteen years more than the four years since the Emperor took over.

Some interesting perspective on Darth Vader after Roque One.

It's amazing how newly inserted continuity can change how you see scenes filmed forty years ago.

Think about how staggeringly relentless Vader was as he tore through those rebels, effortless, in absolute certainty.

Then think about the fight, not long after, with Obi-Wan.  It's been brought up before that he might have been a bit more hesitant and tentative with that fight because of the way his previous battle with Obi-Wan ended, all the bluster of "Now, I am the mater" aside.

Now, consider this.  What was the last planet Vader was on before that fight.

Mustafar, where he hangs around in a bacta tank with his artificial limbs not even on him.  He's suspended in it, really just his head and torso, much like Obi-Wan left him.

Now you really start to see how he could be tentative, less assertive and overbearing than he is when cutting down ordinary troopers.

I think the only reason this bull was established in TCW was so dumbass could mistake an ice shard for a crystal. Weak plot device. >:( :P Because in the very next episode the Wookiee and the Nautilan end up with green crystals. That's just one of many issues I had with that arc and/or series. >:(



THANK YOU! +1


Went to go see again this weekend. Although the score failed to reflect familiar themes, I couldn't really complain about beyond it lacking in certain areas or was overdone in others. I do think they should have stuck with a crawl. It just one of those things. I understand that they were trying to be original and deviant, but throw us a frickin bone here.

However, I after the second DS firing, I was under the impression that these guys were all shot for gross incompetence.
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The first shot: Nailed it.
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Second shot?: Not so much. {couldn't find image} How do you miss a target like Scarif Base by 5mi, honestly? All for the sake of a tearful goodbye. (boohoo) Personally, I'd have found it to be a bigger emotional wretch to just see them instantly vaporized. No goodbyes, no resolution. Just gone. But that's me.

I am seriously liking the newest batch of blasters, particularly Jyn's. Has a modified Luger look to it.
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And still oh so lovin' the Vader rampage. Awesome. (Took my CO this time. ;D)



PS: Has anyone else heard the news that George is slated to direct the sequel?

I feel you Logos. TCW was an all over the place mess. It's almost like they aimed to have 2-3 episodes connect to each other, but not to the previous episodes or the upcoming ones, and often not to the greater overall story they were telling. Binge watching it makes it even more apparent.

I loved TCW.

I enjoyed certain, individual aspects of it, but on the whole, it wandered around way too much. It felt like they didn't know where they were going with it, and that was complicated by the fact that it was cancelled before they had a chance to wrap it up.

well that's because he released it in a really crazy order.... starwars.com has an order that throws everything in the order they actually happened (which gets weird cause season 1 episodes lead into the season 3 ones and so on).

for instance the senate building attack by bane...that was like last episode of season 1. The lead-up episode for it? in season 3 when bane kidnaps Threepio and R2. Then the next episode is directly AFTER the senate building attack.

We know. ;)


Also, we're getting off topic. I've moved the TCW Love/Hate topic over to Random SW thoughts

Well I'd assume that there isn't going to be a sequel since everybody died. >:( >:(

Jyn and Cassian could have made it off the planet.

Yes, but we can imagine a sequel by George about this little ship that escapes in the end with this strange princess!!!!!

lol i did enjoy that joke article going around for that...Lucas directing sequel for release....in 1977.

Yes, Seb! I like it!

Maybe she still has the plans on that disc, and, what do you think, do you think she's the one Bail Organa was talking about when he said he'd trust her with his life? I clearly think so. That can only mean she's on a quest to find the old Jedi ally they were talking about. Which can mean only two options. Yoda and Kenobi!! Oooo...

What if it's Kenobi? What do you think will happen if he and Vader meet up again?

YEEESSSS

And because Kenobi is secretly supervising one of the Vader's twin ... maybe Vader would meet him after meeting Kenoby!!! ;)

Oh my gosh, yes!

Then, if Kenobi should happen to fall, the young boy (I think his name is Luke?) Would have to find Yoda for training and guidance. But you know the Dark Side would pull at him.

Man, there are just so many possibilities here, but the thing is practically writing itself!!  ;D ;D

But then this "Luke" has a friend who is super cool that gets frozen. :o

Oh my gosh, that is so meta.

I know right? I predict it will change the sci-fi genre forever. ;)

Educate me....WTF does this mean?

I have to be agree with you ;)

adjective: meta
1.
(of a creative work) referring to itself or to the conventions of its genre; self-referential.

He's a cool guy that gets frozen, so it's meta.

Gotcha.

I know this video has been posted before, but I just thought of it today, and how the idea of it being an inside job rings true now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV7Ha3VDbzE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV7Ha3VDbzE)