Saber Forum

Consider the baseline Jedi/sith...not the grand masters and lords of whatever...TK push, suggestion, command, illusion, control of self/body, healing, etc.  None of the over the top stuff like shatterpoint or pulling down starships.

The logic behind AI evolving to sentience...the most accepted consideration is that it would continue to evolve beyond caring about us, it would build a way off planet, and leave...this would mean the minor AI that follows programming would be left behind, corrupted programming could mean round up resources, seeing people as resources the war begins anew.

Otherwise logic says, create a virus and wipe us out and be done with it lol.

So the fun part...the Force connection is discovered by accident through the AI evolving and seeking new energy sources, it could not use the Force to any reliable measure so abandoned the project...leaving those involved touched and thus access to the Force.

So a ravaged world, humans mostly in hiding or enslaved, pockets of resistance, waves of bots of all sizes and types collecting/managing resources.

Lots of less charismatic Grievous types  :)

Sounds like gaming fun right?



A thought on TK...telekinesis...I despise the alpha and omega aspect that these ends up going..."I choose TK because I can do anything with TK"...in this case you can not.

TK flight...sure
TK punch...sure
TK push...sure
TK crush...sure
TK all of the above and anything else imagined...no


With this in mind...what one Force ability (note above thoughts...no god or ultra powers pls) would you want to fight the good fight against the machines?

What one Force ability would you feel would fit your personality and function in this setting?

A slightly modified established ability to better fit the setting is welcome and appreciated...the more interesting the better :)

Yes...there would be sabers!

Sabers operate only for those with Force connection  :D

Another project that failed to provide the desired result, but useful tools in the right hands!

Mechu-deru comes to mind, but that might be a game changer.

Pretty much any of the anti-droid attacks could be useful, as would Force electrical attacks...

Force Storm.

As the Force users in question would be less powerful than the standard as we normally ID them, this would be a great ability...it takes time, preparation, and I would imagine a handful of drones/followers could be maintained.

A good one indeed.




Force Storm can mean:

1    Force storm, a Force-created hyperspace wormhole
2    Force storm, a Force-created weather pattern
3    Force storm, a variation of Force lightning

1 "The intense gravity of black holes and other interstellar forces cause warps, folds, and buckles in space. Asteroids and spaceships have tumbled into these space warps and have suddenly reappeared millions of miles away."...the epitome of Force god powers, so in this context insanely powerful...right out   :-\...now if it were highly highly modified it might work for the setting...perhaps a teleport worm hole, create and step through or create and the target falls through...or...perhaps a destructive wormhole of micronic size, a touch ability, touch and the target implodes on itself for a square foot or so, great for creating a cube/sphere of damage the size of a basketball...maybe something like that?

2 modify weather patterns, interesting...good for creating cover and making things wet/cold which could cause the machines to have issues if already damaged or battle worn

3 basically call lightning I guess, stronger than regular Force lightning but only works outdoors with LOS with the sky and a moment to build up clouds

A pair of Storm Jedi, one with 2 and one with 3 would be an awesome combo...one quickly changes the weather and the other calls down the heavy lightning.

Good times.

What or which were you thinking?

 ;D

A modified Shatterpoint perhaps?

This could be the 1 from above, creating that wormhole crushing effect, though the wormhole thought creates a void of space with the material being gone and the shatterpoint would just bust it up...both have value and would be fun, different end use for sure.


But the one that keeps popping up for me is a Force EMP pulse...a Force push that is all magnetic, so it would not push a person or an object, it just pushes out a variable magnetic field...that would or could cause various and sundry issues for electronics...unshielded electronics...so the machines could protect themselves if they figured it out or could be bothered to do so...I like the idea of it having a weakness and being a 360* burst sort of thing.

So a group of machines...he releases his pulse and as it varies in strength and frequency it may affect each differently...one might drop dead, one might have a stroke with only one side of its body functioning, one might go blind, one may not be affected...that sort of thing.

I would choose TK simply because it seems very utilitarian.  For instance, you could move heavy stuff out of your way, or make a barricade with it or you could make handholds, makeshift scaffolds to help non-force-users  climb up to high spaces.  You can use TK to attack, throwing stuff at enemies or pushing, pulling them off balance.  You could pull a weapon to you that might otherwise be out of reach.

It's all about the utility.

For sure, basic TK is the go to tool :)

TK for me. Pushing over robots would be very handy.

Then again, lightning would be useful and very flashy...

Nah, TK.

TK also let's you do fun stuff like telekinetically grab a robot's arm and make it repeatedly punch itself in the face while you keep saying "stop hitting yourself!"

(http://wallpapersgallery.net/d/1424352-2/Terminator-3-Rise-Of-The-Machines-584-4.jpg)

(http://media.moddb.com/images/games/1/7/6034/HKtankrnderingame.jpg)

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18dxl9v2s0lwjjpg/original.jpg)

(http://www.mtv.com/movies/photos/t/terminator_salvation_090427/terminatorsalvation_2.jpg)

(http://gadzetomania.pl/images/2011/03/matrix-squid.jpg)



So here is the next fun question...your choice is to be a Force sensitive and have any ability as well as can use a light saber...or...be a reprogrammed terminator...or...a visiting Yautja (jungle hunter clan) looking for hunting challenges?

Of course the Force users can not operate/wear the Predator armor/weapon systems though a single piece can be modified for use, maybe...the Terminators have huge strength and toughness and can use big heavy guns...neither the Predators or the Terminators can use the Force or light sabers.

Which do you choose?

What sorts of Terminator are we talking about? I assume only the basic HHKs and Infiltrators and not, say, T-Infinities?

Well of course the basic models lol.

And the Force sensitive above...timed out before I caught the progressive typed error of "any" which should be "an" ability, with the same considerations as before  :)

Reasonable enough. I would go with reprogrammed T-1001.

Lol nice try, they are basically indestructible unless the movie director wants them to die...no just a basic model terminator :)

T-1000 series were weak to extremely high temperatures.  The high temperatures changed the molecular structure of its mimetic polyalloy.  In this hypothetical situation, they could be damaged/destroyed by the high temperatures of lightsaber blades and the Predators' plasma casters.

Additionally, I'm fairly certain that Terminators would have a way of dealing with their own kind in an emergency situation. Surely Skynet wouldn't leave itself so vulnerable to a simple malfunction of a basic model Infiltrator.

However, since Rel makes the rules, I'll go with Force user.

You might want to be a bit more specific as to what you mean by "basic model"...

http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Humanoid_Hunter_Killer (http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Humanoid_Hunter_Killer)

http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Infiltrator_series (http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Infiltrator_series)

http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Non-Humanoid_Hunter_Killer (http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Non-Humanoid_Hunter_Killer)

according to a wiki page I found, SkyNet discontinued the T-1000 series due to it being able to override SkyNet directives and make its own decisions in some cases and they were so resilient.  The subsequent T-X was specifically designed to terminate other terminators.

I suppose as long as they are not shape hanging near invunerable types then it would be fine, just avoiding the godling syndrome.

Without going all crazy about the specifics the terminators could come in humanoid, non-humanoid, tank, drone, squid, etc.  :)

I get what you're saying Rel, and I agree that god-mode characters are bad.  Personally, I think a T-X should not be allowed, since they can basically hack any other machine and you have to nuke em to kill them.

That being said, I would choose my go-to character, Mando Jedi.   8)

With your aforementioned basic TK as the only Force ability?

:)

Yes, but with a question.  Is sensing disturbances in the force and other stuff like heightened reflexes considered "force powers" in this scenario?

Minor touches are good...but no Force "insert" like jumping and punching, but sensing life forces, better then average senses/reflexes sure :)

If I went the Terminator route, I'd want to be a dual character. Specifically, a reprogrammed small-framed infiltrator (female skin sheath) with a reprogrammed Moto-Terminator as a companion. This unit, under the alias of Kiera Hawking, was sent to Infiltrate the Resistance and gather intelligence. First posing as a friend, Kiera later actually became friends with them all, experiencing rudimentary emotions. This was Skynet's design all along: To understand human camraderie so that they could kill them better. When ordered to terminate the cell, Kiera refused. Skynet then attempted to override her programming and commit the terminations, to which Kiera resisted. Her bonds with her friends were too great for her to simply throw away. It was not logical. In an epic battle of wills between Kiera's rudimentary emotions and Skynet's near limitless processing abilities, Kiera was able to buy time for her compatriots to get away. In what could only be described as fury, Skynet ordered her return for disassembly, to which she refused, jabbing herself in the comms with a piece of debris and removing it from her systems. Now completely free from Skynet control, yet unable to return to the Resistance, she struck out on her own to protect her friends from the shadows and bring war to Skynet. Along the way, she found a deactivated Moto-Terminator and, after ripping out its comms, reactivated and reprogrammed it.

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If I went Force-sensitive, I'd go with Mechu-deru as a force ability, which allows me to intuitively know the inner workings of Terminators and allows me to reprogram them with greater effectiveness than any other TechCom member. Of course, this would make me a prime target of Skynet. My own lightsaber would be adegan silver, and the hilt would be plain in design, but very efficient in power consumption and set with several extra modifications.

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Not sure if I'd go Yaut'ja. The weaponry would be amazing, but the warrior with honor ethos just wouldn't fly with Terminators around. If I played the character right, I'd be dead.

Not sure why a warrior with honor would hinder you...I think that the Yaut'ja would be a good choice.  They can take a lot of punishment, have advanced weapons and huge amount of strength.  They are very agile and cunning too.  I can see them going toe-to-toe with terminators if need be, or setting up traps and ambushes, which have been shown to be effective against terminators.

Arguably, Jedi seem to be the underdogs of the bunch.

The predators was really just an after thought...I would rather stick with Force Users and Reprogrammed Machines.


As far as the machines, since the idea is to take from several sources...so I will further define the machines with the potential options...


Cyborg/Prototype Terminator...project that attempted to use the humans as biological machines, with control units connected to the brain stem, some had other sections replaced but these were incidental and usually in an effort to repair battle or related injuries...this was considered a failure by the machines and these were scheduled for disposal and or recycling...so rather rare.
(http://content.internetvideoarchive.com/content/photos/6200/26041237_.jpg)


GW-1...general worker...they were fairly common throughout the factories and preforming mundane tasks, relatively easy to reprogram but not that common today as they were easy targets not having any combat programing and many were used for parts by the remaining machines...they are slightly stronger and faster than a human but only just, no armor, and susceptible to mundane damage.
(http://www.generationaldynamics.com/ww2010/irobot1.jpg)


T-1 Endo...basic humanoid combat model, metal skeleton, hard point armor, strong, durable, limited programming...just will not stop...many can be seen crawling without legs, steady pursuing targets...the skeleton look is to allow the handing of flesh as well as the psychological affect on humans.
(http://cinetrailer.it/cinetrailer.it$multimedia$2000$1909$video$terminatorsalvation/screen-sitemaps_x.jpeg)

The T-1 can be found coated in an organic flesh/skin or mounted onto a vehicle, usually the legs removed and installed into a motorcycle, small tracked or wheeled ATV, or even flying craft though the fliers are the most rare to be reprogrammed as they tend to be too damaged from the fall during capture for use.
(http://legacymoto.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/terminator-bike1.jpg)
(http://www.twardziel.pl/fotogalerie/foto_min/fotogalerie/foto/598/arni17_fxduz.jpg)


Squid...made to operate in water, space, and within complex structures (they do not fly as per Matrix) these were meant for maintenance, construction, and repairs primarily but were later used as hunters...rather easy to secure though tricky to reprogram due to the complex computer brain.
(http://gadzetomania.pl/images/2011/03/matrix-squid.jpg)



That should be enough for our example.

Why would the main AI allow the reprogrammed to exist?  The humans shield the brain from the broadcast signals so they are off the grid, and mostly because the main AI is gone off planet...in context the lunatics are left running the asylum.  The hunters hunt, the recyclers recycle, etc.  If a recycler catches a human it will recycle him or her.

The remaining AI is limited and in classic Hollywood fashion, damaged.

Darn, I was intrigued by the Predators in this whole situation.  Would have made a very interesting hunting ground for them.

I would take a Jedi type for sure.

Defend humanity.

If I could have the modified TK, the EMP that would be cool...shield his light saber...could be a hindrance to others due the EMP ruining human equipment also, so a specialist for sure.

The most useful ability would most likely be the general TK push and pull.

Healing would be most appreciated for survival, every party needs a cleric lol.

The light saber would come in handy for sure.

As noted before the Jedi types could enjoy a parkour style of flowing movement, good reflexes, decent endurance, strong senses, etc.

Yes I would take a Jedi type.




So let us drop the Predators...they were an after thought...and add...Mutants!

Lol  Not X-Men, so mute your excitement.

More like another project.  The Jedi types came out of the organic energy research projects.  The mutants came out of the flesh/skin projects, trying to make perfect organic machines...like many of the rushed projects it had limited success.

Mutants are tougher, stronger, some are larger, some are faster, but all are considered ugly by all mundane humans...there are no pretty mutants, but that said they are most welcome as added muscle to fight the good fight against the machines.

Mutants do not have any powers, no connection to the Force, and can not use light sabers...but they are physical specimens.

Most have twice the mass, 375-400lbs average...micro nerve clusters through out the body for increased muscle reaction...increased hormones, adrenal glands, etc. grant burst speed and strength...etc.

Big, strong, tough, fast.

Most can shrug off mundane damage like rain.

(http://www.tomspinadesigns.com/Displays_files/NemesisDisplayWEB.jpg)

(ok maybe not that ugly lol...some more than others...but no pretty or even so so...butt ugly is the norm)

Here is a list of common mutations in addition to the basic form

1. over sized arm, stronger
2. larger, stronger
3. leathery hide, tougher
4. oversized upper body, the gorilla, stronger
5. longer limbs, faster (can move on all fours and climb like a nutter)
6. hardened flesh, partial armor, tougher
etc.

Lol it is for fun so sure why not include them also...:D

I still like my cybernetic biker chick idea...

Extra limbs?
Like four slightly over sized arms?

I just have a thing for arachnids and insects.

Hmmm four big arms and tiny legs dangling?

Or how about 6 arms total with 2 legs...but the arms are a bit longer and not big, this would give you your desired creepy man-spider look and function...even creepier if they were not all the same length, like a set of smaller ones close to the neck or midsection or asymmetrical with each being a different length...yikes!

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BZAKJkhsFh0/T9az3dClaxI/AAAAAAAAHf8/jRBAoiHuxS8/s1600/Jean+Cocteau+by+Philippe+Halsman,+1948.jpg)

Like the above except keep in mind...really ugly, not even remotely close to normal looks, each is their own version of a horror story...a face that is well hideous...weird warty/tumorous looking skin, etc.

Cybernetic version of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69R245PkdIc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69R245PkdIc#ws)

Or this?

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130516174727/epicrapbattlesofhistory/images/9/92/Slender_man.jpg)

haha, this!

  Ok, you got me majorly conflicted, a mashup of many favorites.
Hard choice between Predator species and Force users...
I'm assuming Force persuasion or Dominate mind are an allowable choice. Both Predators and Lightsaber users have advantages over terrestrial alloys the machines would likely be using. Unless the AI created an alloy so durable it's resistant to lightsabers or like adamantium/ vibranium or Cortosis/Phrek. I'm also assuming that didn't happen or "we're" screwed right off the bat because of the logical wide spread implementation that'd occur. Unless it was soooo hard to produce/refine it never was in widespread manufacture. I say this because Predator metals usually slice through ours easily, and their retractable nets do crazy damage.

  That said, I'm going Dark Side, Sith user of a lightsaber because of obvious ability to cut through mechanized foot soldiers, treads of those huge two armed tanks, motorcycle bots (I forgot their model designation) etc. If I can use Dominate mind on u to 3 organic targets at once with maybe Force persuade on 2 more for 5 total: 3 who can't resist my will and 2 more who go along with things they would already potentially accept. No "kill your own friend" with persuasion but dominate means they are your tool. I'd join resistance out of self preservation, Dominate someone high enough up to be useful in the process, do the same to a skilled Predator specimen, and a Hulk like mutant (giant and powerful but a weak willed one). Try to live through the war and then use/ have positioned (through assassination if necessary) my pawns accordingly. And finally take advantage of the removal of machines as my main rivals, the lower population caused by constant war, and the influence of my "mind controlled" agents to collect followers in the respective species. Then attempt to conquer and rule the ashes of the world.

Human Force user, dual lightsaber wielder that can form a saber staff, with aforementioned Dominate mind. (basically the KOTOR power)