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The Sith have a new symbol in Star Wars canon, which seems to replace the one previously used in Legends. While Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine were the two Sith Lords in the original Star Wars trilogy, it wasn't until the prequels released that Lucasfilm dove deep into the history of the Sith in canon. Up until then, practically everything Star Wars fans knew about the Sith came from the Expanded Universe (later Legends). But that's slowly starting to change.

It seems the Sith are returning to play a part in J.J. Abrams' Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, which is why, leading up to the sequel's release in December 2019, Lucasfilm is making a big push with more Sith-related content. They began with Palpatine's return being confirmed at Star Wars Celebration, and then continued with an announcement shortly before San Diego Comic-Con that Sith troopers will appear in The Rise of Skywalker. And now, it looks like another bit of Sith lore has found its way online.

Gearing up for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker's big Force Friday event, the merchandising team at Lucasfilm unveiled a batch of clothing and other Star Wars-related goods on the official Star Wars website, including a phone case that featured a new symbol with the word "Sith" under it (which has since been removed, but there are other Sith-related items with the same symbol still up). It would be fair to link the two together by association, but this particular symbol previously appeared alongside Darth Vader in Star Wars: Who's Who in the Galaxy: Character Storybook.

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In that July 2019 book by Ella Patrick, there's a section that lists the Jedi and Sith in Star Wars canon, and to identify their allegiance, there's a symbol to represent both orders of the Force. While the Jedi symbol is one that's been around for several years, the Sith symbol was new - and it wasn't until now that it could be confirmed, without a doubt, that it's the new symbol to represent the dark side Force users in canon (at least ones that follow the Sith Order).

What's interesting is that there already was a Sith symbol before this one, but it was primarily (and possibly only) used in Star Wars Legends. While the Lucasfilm Story Group has been slowly but surely reintroducing various story and character elements from Legends back into canon, they've also been making sweeping changes (some at the behest of George Lucas himself). One of them was the Sith's homeworld - which changed from Korriban to Moraband - and now the next step, ahead of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker's release, is the official symbol of the Sith Order.

Its not a bad sigil, and you can certainly see the influence from the old design. Though it will take some getting used to. (Moraband still sounds wrong to me whenever i hear it)

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Thanks for summing up my feelings. +1

All because he though it sounded to much like Courscant

Kinda like how everyone confused Jedi Nox and Darth Knox?

Filoni's an idiot.

The Moraband thing was Lucas' call. 

Even phonetically it sounds inferior.

So, SO true...

Thanks for the laugh, Bob  :)

Points!

Back at ya, Dutch!

We haven't even talked about the new symbol. I'm so pissed about changing KORRIBAN'S name that I forgot all about it.

For the record I do NOT like the new symbol. Just as Moraband sounds weak, the new symbol lacks any of the power that the original evoked.

Well, those Sith Troopers will be easy kills. No elbow/knee joint armor, no armpit protection and the overlapping shoulder pauldrons will hinder melee weapon use.

Sith logo: I can live with it. Korriban replaced with Moraband..................well, I finished with playing SWTOR, but I played that for almost 7 years and Korriban was home for my Marauders & Sorcerers.

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I do think it would be better without the circle. I kinda get the imagery they were after but with the whole sigil dominated by a soft round shape it loses a little bit of its aggression. I feel like instead of the circle if you extended the two "prongs" it would look a touch meaner

YES. They need more than just a simple geometry with symmetric cut out notches.

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Sonnuva....

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Considering the popularity of this mask. Look at the negative space of the emblem and the mesh of the mask. It might be a stretch, but I think they may be working towards a ripoff.

Whats the mask from?

Its an air soft mask that is insanely popular with Old Republic Era Cosplayers



The old symbol had a long history to it and it was a great bit of visual storytelling that you could see the inspiration in Palpatine's Imperial Symbol.

Ahh, i think thats likely coincidence then but you never know. Did a kind of mock-up of what i was thinking of. What do you guys think of this?

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Yes. The actual design was from a game called Hell Gate.

Already looks better.

Do me a favor and nip the bottom 25% off.

Looks appropriately Sith-y  ;)

Agreed^^  It's a genuine improvement  :)

Point PS!

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Added a notch for detail, but i think i prefer the arrowhead design myself

But ... WHY??

Why do they do such things? Why Moraban? Why this sigil? Why JJ? .... WHYYYYYY?

So they can market SW as their own now. No longer as LucasArts, ILM or anything produced under the old Lucas umbrella.


Lucas made the originals because he wanted them made, his way. Disney is making their break away from all of that.

None of this is on JJ. The Story Group is..   Lucas himself changed Korriban to Morriband..because he thought it sounded to close to Courscant. and the symbol, like was said, is so they can market it and not share.  They are making Star Wars their own which I fully get..But this is a 40 year old franchise with multiple generations of fans.  Can't expect to change thing and no one make a stink.

The notch makes it look too much like a W.


The problem with this mentality is that the reason they wanted it bad enough to pay $4B for it is because of its marketability to older generations. Y'know,....the ones who kept interest in it for the last 40 years. And not just "I remember it." or "I liked it when I was little." But those that truly loved it regardless of age. By recklessly throwing out whatever they want, they are going to end up driving away more and more old fans. This in turn will inadvertently teach kids that this is something to eventually grow out of. Then the franchise will only be able to limp forward dependent on interest from the next generation of idiot kids, that are so easily impressed with all flash and no substance. But if they saw something that adults were still genuinely excited about, then they would in turn emulate that passion when they come into adulthood, and the cycle of prosperity will continue.

I speak from experience. The first year I counseled at youth camp, the guys in my bunk were all atwitter about Star Wars when it was discovered that I'm a huge fan with a ton of sabers. But all they knew was the movies, and sadly in particular the new movies. They all thought Emo Ren was a great bad guy. <facepalm> I started talking about the OEU and they went bug-eyed. Stories from the books that they had no idea about, the sat and listened to intently to. And the best part was they didn't address that there was no direct correlation with the movies.

Would you believe it stand for the Wsith?  ;D

Cuz that's the last sound a Jedi hears?

Agreed.  I expected a culling of the EU but not an outright purge.  There is another aspect to pushing away older fans...merchandise.  Star Wars has been the Powerhouse it was all these because of its Merchandising.  There's a reason it was a Joke in Spaceballs.  Many Studies have shown the younger generation isn't as into collecting as the older generation is.  So they are appealing to the younger fans who aren't gonna buy their stuff.  I wonder if its a coincidence that after the backlash of TLJ  Hot Toys has pushed their OT and PT characters more.  Speaking of My Hot Toys Dooku should be here any day.
      My Manager has recently wanted to get into Star Wars...she's seen some of the movies but really didn't pay attention.  So she asked for my help...nerd that I am I would up typing up an 8 page Cliff Notes about Star Wars.  Mostly its cinema history and a quick and dirty explanation of Jedi, Sith, Sabers and the Force.  Also the different ways she could view them.  I didn't add anything about the EU as I didn't want to bombard her but later I did explain about the Eu and how Disney disregarded almost all of it.  Her Response to that?....  "That's F***ed up...."  So even someone with no personal history with the Eu thought it was a bad move.

THANK YOU!

This is also why I was continually disappointed by TCW and even more so by SWR. Kids shows are made for ratings, not to deliver a quality story. There were too many points that defied all logic (ntm not in keeping with pre-established designs). Like....a medical assistant droid that has the ability to act as a small speeder bike? WTF. Or Sabine's little speeder bike being able to keep pace with military class speeder bike? Why does a boarding craft, with the ability to pierce and rip open star destroyer hull plating, needed a crew of droids with torches to cut open an escape pod, instead of simply popping it like a zit? And my personal "favorite": How TF does a Republic escape pod dock with comm array of a Firespray (aka Slave 1)? It's just a lot of shark jumping, but kids don't have the analytical skills to see it.