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Alright, first 2 episodes of Ahsoka are out, and I've been thinking about them, and thinking to myself "I wish a had a community I could talk to about them". Then I remembered that I do.😅

So lets get this discussion going. FYI, there will be spoilers in this thread.







***SPOILERS***


So how are we all feeling? Since we first found out that Ahsoka was going to be played in Live-Action by Rosario Dawson it's been my opinion that she's not the perfect choice for Ahsoka. I was willing to give her a chance though, because she's a great actress. However, after seeing her in Mando and Boba, and now the first 2 episodes of Ahsoka, I'm still not convinced. Part of the issue is I don't see Ahsoka, I see Rosario. The other part is that I currently see her trying to act like how she thinks Ahsoka should act, and not truly, fully, embodying Ahsoka. That could come with more time spent as the character though.

However, even with that, I'm able to listen to the words she's actually saying, and see that yes, the writing is that of Ahsoka. If Ashley Eckstein was saying these words, I would believe that it was Ahsoka. So at the moment, I can't criticize that area of the writing.

Some other thoughts though. After watching the first episode, I asked myself "am I interested and engaged in this show because the show is good? Or am I just going to watch episode 2 because it's Star Wars and it's available?" I haven't quite answered that yet. I didn't have time to watch both episodes back to back, so I had a full day in between watching them, and as I was going about my day on Wednesday waiting to watch episode 2, all I could think of was how I felt like I had watched another episode of Star Wars Rebels, and that told me that at the very least, it's doing something right.

Lothal looks fantastic (though the Lothcat does look a bit synthetic), and Huyang is a great addition to the show. It's always good to see different cultures, and I'm specifically referring to the exploration of the difference between Jedi and Nightsisters and their view of the Force. It's barely touched on, but you see it in the interactions between Baylon and Morgan.

And I'll end with this: who do we think Marrok is?
I've seen theories that it's Kanan, or Ezra, or Barriss, or Starkiller. And while I'm not sure, it's hard not to see the similarity between "Marrok" and "Marek" (which, for those who don't know, Starkiller's name is Galen Marek). And Filoni has talked about the idea of bringing back Starkiller as an inqusitor. I don't know what I want from it yet, but I'm leaning towards not wanting it to be Starkiller.

If you are enjoying the show and are optimistic about the series in general, then don't watch the video I linked! I don't want to dampen anyone's good times.
Sorry I'm always so negative.  I blame Disney.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBH-L87nJUk&pp=ygUxRGlzbmV5IHN0YXIgd2FycyB0dXJuZWQgcXVpIGdvbiBqaW5uIGludG8gYSBsb3Nlcg%3D%3D# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBH-L87nJUk&pp=ygUxRGlzbmV5IHN0YXIgd2FycyB0dXJuZWQgcXVpIGdvbiBqaW5uIGludG8gYSBsb3Nlcg%3D%3D#)

Honestly, the only actor that I feel correctly reflects the animated version is Ryder.  But then again, it is the OG actor and the original animation was actually modeled after him.  I can't see any of the others as their animated counter parts.  I never felt Dawson embodied Ahsoka, thought supposedly she researched (and lobbied) for the role.


I do think the writing is spot on for the characters and the "series" (let's face it, it is Rebels season 5).  But, considering this Rebels (and the character Ahsoka) is Filoni's baby, I wouldn't expect anything less.


I'm watching it because my wife is a HUGE Ahsoka fan.  She has watched both episodes five times each since they premiered.  If you do the math, that is five times in four days.  She watched them again Tuesday night.  But, I am also interested in the character of Ahsoka.  She is one of the most fully developed characters in SW with a huge amount of growth.  But, for me Rebels is my SW show.  It has a great arc and the character (and the show) grow from the beginning to the end.  I liek to think that this was by design.  Think about it: It aired on The Disney Channel and was geared towards kids.  As the intended audience grew more mature, so did the show and the themes.  Let's face it: "Jedi Night" could not have aired in season 1.


The look of the show is great.  I dare to say it is the best looking show of all of them.  Lothal looks exactly like it did in Rebels, but better. 


I wouldn't be surprised if they made Marrok Ezra, but it would mess with the narrative of the end of Rebels.  Ezra and Thrawn were lost together.  Thrawn is still missing.  If Erza is Marrok, how did he come back but not Thrawn.  I doubt it is Kanan as that would diminish the last few episodes of Rebels.  Barriss would be a good choice considering her history with Ahsoka.  I don't think they would bring in anyone from the EU/Legends.

It's sad that as much as I love Star Wars, I don't have a Star Wars show that I consider "my show". Rebels is close, and TCW is close, but neither of them are quite there. I loved Andor, but that's also not there yet. Maybe s2 can bring it. And I doubt Ahsoka will be able to be that for me. A strange choice, but I consider Attack of the Clones to be "my movie".  :D



Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks this.

I agree Dawson as Ahsoka thus far simply does not work, she doesn't seem at all like the character in Rebels of TCW, and frankly I find her the least interesting part of her own series thus far. 


Baylon and Morgan are actually far more engaging for me, I want to see more of them than any of the others.

There will be many people watching this who have not seen, and will never watch/cannot be expected to watch, Rebels, that is a fact, but the character intros have been done OK to catch people with zero interest in the animated shows up I think overall, albeit it means some scenes (notably Sabine returning to the ship) meant nothing to some people.   

Will see where it goes from here but I'd say its been an 'average' start. The stand out moments have been for me and mine anything with Baylon and co. (arguably not knowing their motives/background/relationships to each other makes them far more interesting as you don't know what to expect), the rest has been nothing exceptional or overly interesting.

Point to Taegin for starting this topic.  I came here looking for this.
My main issues with the first two episodes:
1. A jedi trained individual AND a 25000 year old robot could not solve a three axis puzzle
2. So much spinning (of the body) in fights
3. Living from gut stabs

I am not sure what else to say about the "rubix" sphere except I would hope the writers could come up with a better way to bring in Sabine.

Okay, I know the spinning adds drama. Sold. However, I counted 7 in the one duel on Lothal.  I would lose too if I made myself so dizzy.  Sabine should have been sliced multiple times. Can we please get a good technical fight with limited spinning? 

I am a fan of Qui-Gon so I am getting really irritated with EVERYONE else surviving plasma punches in the poop tubes.  Also, did the wound move from center to side or am I mistaken.

In closing, I am a fan and otherwise curious to see what they do with the rest of the story.   Also, bring me some Zeb already...
 

Oh my bad buddy KaiserSosay...I should have known. 
I posted first then watched the review link.  Clearly I agree...but I will still watch the show.   I do not look at crashes when I am driving but stare like a scarecrow when I am a passenger.
Some amputations in future episodes would be a good step toward redemption.

I agree Ahsoka seems dry but I blame the director.  They should have the vision and guide the actor toward it.

Hi there, now I don't have Disney+ so haven't seen Ahsoka but I have heard about the Sabine/Qui-Gon "controversy" and this seems to add to my feelings that QGJ was short changed (even if they tried to make it up to him by making him the first "Force Ghost").

Anyway I can contribute this for you Nunya....
(https://ftsabersite.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/ringedsaber-plate-base-2.png)
Can you believe I 3d modelled this THREE years ago now?

Beautiful!  This should be the next US release.
Point to you and thanks!

Agreed. Morgan being a descendant of nightsisters (doesn't sound like she was raised on Dathomir) is very intriguing. And Baylon (Ray) just has a gravitas about him that is definitely needed.



For some reason I didn't see this originally, but yeah. There is a slight difference between Sabine and Qui-Gon that I'll get to in just a second.



The first thing I'd have done when I got the cube globe would've been to start spinning things. But then it took Sabine way to long to figure out that not only did the pieces spin, but how they were supposed to line up. The very first thing you notice about the globe when Ahsoka pulls it out of the soot is that there's a triquetra on it, clear as day.



I noticed this as well. The occasional spin can look really good, but the fight really just wasn't that impressive. Also the way it was filmed was too many close up shots, and shaky-cam to really feel like the elegant duel it should be. Even with a more scrappy fighter like Sabine.



And I knew as soon as I saw this that the Reva Controversy would be restarted.
The problem with Reva was that she was stabbed (twice) and did not received immediate medical attention, only to then teleport to Tatooine and wander around wounded chasing after a certain character, and then wait until Obi-Wan conveniently also arrives at just the right time to talk and wait even longer. She should've been long dead.

With Sabine, she was stabbed in more of the lower right side, and then immediately was able to receive medical attention. So I have much less problem with her surviving, though it's still dumb that they keep doing that.

As for Qui-Gon, after rewatching the stabbing sequence, he is stabbed directly through the middle of his belly and his spine is severed. He then lies there dying for 5ish minutes waiting for Obi-Wan to slice Maul in half. He then willingly "gave up the ghost", a thing that has been established that Jedi can and will do since A New Hope in '77. But his wound was also far more severe than Sabine's was.



It's not fantastic. Hopefully it gets better.

Up to episode 4. So far it's OK...the 'villains' are still the most interesting part of it, it has been commented on by others I know who have not watched Clone Wars or Rebels, they don't get why Ahsoka and Sabine are main characters, and were rooting for them to get bumped off so they can see more of Baylon. Episode 4 especially, Baylon is just such a more fascinating character, not even really a villain, his motivations are uncertain but his pragmatism is great.  I'd be really interested to know how other people who haven't watched Rebels feel about this show, I suspect the ending to ep 4 baffled most of them.

While it is LSG's submission(s) that I'm most closely aligned to, I think that almost everything that everyone in this thread has stated has been dead-on balls accurate.

Ahsoka is the very example of "mediocre."  Ahsoka, Hera, and Sabine come off as flat.  I feel bad for anyone who is not familiar/has not seen "Star Wars: Rebels" as there is A LOT of characterization that is lost as a result.  Plus: their live-action counterparts are particularly underwhelming.

That said: Ray Stevenson (RIP  :() is a fantastic actor, one that I've loved ever since he came out in HBO's "Rome."  Unsurprisingly, Baylon IS an interesting character, made even better by the fact that he isn't some 2-dimensional, moustache-twirling villian who is EVUL4THELULZ.  I'm sincerely excited to see what his endgame is.

Also: I'm eager to see Thrawn in live-action, especially since Lars Mikkelsen was very good in "Rebels" and, as a book fan of the original Zahn "Heir To The Empire" Trilogy, I've been waiting almost 3 decades for this  ;)

Maybe (hopefully!) "Ahsoka" will improve significantly.  I have to admit that Episode 5 was better (some nice fanservice but still too many cringe-worthy scenes).

I'm really enjoying reading others' opinions regarding this series!

Episode 5 was much much better. And while yes, there were a lot of "fan-service" moments, they actually were also in service of the story as well.

I still think Rosario isn't right for Ahsoka, and after seeing episode 5, and seeing Ariana Greenblatt come in and play the character so much better, that opinion is even more reinforced. I was nearly crying during the Anakin scenes though. Hayden just absolutely killed it.

And actually, I kind of liked the stuff with Jacen. Any other world/story/character, and I think I would've hated it, but something about the way it was done, and the legacy of Kanan really worked in that moment for me. And anytime we get a LOTR reference, I appreciate it, so Ahsoka the White isn't a bad thing either.

So far I'm enjoying this series!

Although I have to say, the Purgil are a stupid concept, even by SW standards. That's been my feelings since Rebels and is so far my only major criticism of the Ahsoka series.

Episode 6 was a vast improvement, but highlighted to me the best characters and events of this series are the ones where Ahsoka is not involved. Thrawn, Baylon (notably his point on missing the 'idea of the Jedi Order, not the reality') are interesting and engaging, this version of Ahsoka is just not as engaging to watch, I'm watching it for those characters and genuinely interested in what their plans are - not Ahsoka or Hera or even Sabine who feel flat in comparison to me (though Sabine did better in Episode 6 when she was away from other characters). Sort of like Andor in a way, in many ways Andor himself was far less interesting than the characters around him.

if I had a lore criticism it is sending the Purgils to another galaxy.  That's not necessary, a single galaxy is vastly big and unexplored enough to have a place that is otherwise unreachable and inescapable without very precise directions for an exile (unknown regions, Wild Space, deep core etc.) 300-400 billion systems after all.

Ooh, that's a hot take. To me its more of "what's better than whales? SPACE WHALES!" 😅


I hate that I haven't been proven wrong, but I still hold that Rosario Dawson was the wrong choice for Ahsoka. And when she's the "lead" of the show, it doesn't make me want to watch it. Sabine is fine, but I definitely like her animated portrayal better. Thrawn is great. But this is really Baylon's show. Maybe it's just because we in this forum have been writing characters like him for years now, but I feel like I understand him so much better than many of the other, better established characters in this show. And yeah, that "I miss the idea of it" conversation was brilliant. I wish we could see him interact with TCW or Rebels Ahoska.

There is probably some element of Truth in that!

And I agree about the casting, it just hasn't worked for Ahsoka so far.  there is an element that people who know TCW are used to the animated versions, but even those unfamiliar with TCW/Rebels that I know find them lacklustre.

Consider a thought experiment.

Scenario A - Imagine if you took Ahsoka out of this series and just had the scenes with Baylon, Thrawn etc. and a 'generic Jedi' to be the Hero. I feel like very little apart from ep 5 would be different and it would still be equally interesting.

Scenario B - Conversely take Baylon/Thrawn out and just have Ahsoka/Hera/Sabine as they currently are and how interested would you be to watch more of it. I suspect interest would be waning very low.

Ahsoka should be an interesting charatcer, but for various reasons, not just the protrayal, but also the scripting for her, she is not.

I COMPLETELY agree^^

From TR's "Shadow Of The Outcast" to Karmack's Mak'Tor to LSG's Aethans and TDC's Templars, the "gray" characters are much, MUCH more interesting than anything that Disney has developed (although Baylon IS a stimulating character; the problem is that he has such limited screen time compared to the others).

Yeah, the casting has been quite Hit-or-Miss.  I don't think that Rosario Dawson is a bad actress per se, just not "right" for Ahsoka but Natasha Liu Bordizzo is...not good.  And LSG's "thought experiment" proves that.
Unfortunately, "Ahsoka" is just exemplary of Disney Era Star Wars: jettisoning an incredible legacy of EU stories with some truly fantastic characters in lieu of mediocre, 2-Dimensional walking cliches/tropes that often times do things because "the plot demands it" and not as an organic response/decision that characters should do as a natural progression of their character arc.

Here's to hoping that Episodes #7 and #8 are an improvement...but I'm not particularly convinced that they'll be anything other than status quo.

...Oh well; at least I can still read good stories here  ;D

So having now finished watching Ahsoka…in my opinion this series was.  Lacklustre.

It felt very slow overall, and the main heroes, I’m sorry to say, all fell really flat, Rosario Dawson as Ahsoka, for many reasons, simply didn’t work, she seemed as lifeless as a cardboard cut out, I think she was trying to do a ‘Mysterious Master’ kind of thig at times (especially after the ‘Ahsoka the White thing…) but it just came off to me as flat. Sabine/Ezra had ok moments but overall were non entities.

The only engaging characters were the villains and they were woefully underserved.  There were genuinely interesting things going on with Baylon (on his own bespoke quest), Shin (seemingly cast adrift at the end not sure where she now belongs without a master to follow), Thrawn, Morgan and the Mothers, but they were not given any meaningful time.

I would’ve loved to have seen a ‘flashback’, or even exposition, on what happened immediately after the Exile for Thrawn to ‘awaken’ and ally with the Mothers, how that changed his Troops who seem to have a dedication to them (ie when Morgan said you have the Great Mothers Blessings to them) and how Thrawn felt about that -practical necessity perhaps but did it rankle his Chiss clinical mind a bit? Massive missed opportunity.

A ’Special’ mention to the last episode.  There were some woeful Plot armour scenes. 

In particular the two TIE fighters barely able to hit Ahsoka’s barely moving ship on the first run, then barely able to hit it when not moving on the second pass…then collided into by Sabine!  No matter what armour that ship had, it was barely moving, it should’ve been slagged.  They certainly should not have been able to repair it in the short time period following.
That the heroes then suddenly appeared at the Temple/Star Destroyer almost instantly (travelling by those conveniently appearing then disappearing mounted animals) after makes me wonder how far they were at all. Then that the full underside of he Star Destroyer opening up didn’t hit them…Force reflexes I’ll buy that.

But inside the temple, the numbers of ‘crack’ storm troopers walking to their deaths against the anaemic display of blocking skills (a lot of the heroes actions, when not performed by stunt doubles looked noticeably bad, Ahsoka especially like she was playing with drum sticks or something)…Those troops should’ve set up defensive position throughout the Temple or concentrated all fire on one target at a time.

Credit where it is due the Necromancy was interesting and could’ve better explained sloppy Trooper tactics, and the latter fight against of Ezra/Sabine the 2 Commando/Death Trooper dude was good. They should’ve cut the larger battle and just had that two on two and it would’ve been vastly improved.  Ahsoka v Morgan one on one was good, but the constant addition of more Troopers to mow down unnecessary.

How Ezra then escaped from the Chimera, obtained a vessel and found his way to Hera was gleefully brushed over….

There are similarities here to Mando Season 3, and not in good ways in terms of dumb enemies and plot armour of characters, weak character interactions and development...here at least they have Jedi reflexes to explain the plot armour.

I can also say, everyone I know who watched this who hadn’t seen TCW or Rebels was absolutely perplexed by Ahsoka/Anakin relationship.  Quite simply to paraphrase one person “It doesn’t make sense, in Revenge of the Sith, he was on the Council but not a Master, that was why he was angry!?”.  It’s hard to argue with that. Star Wars has always had continuity issues, but for many people I suspect Ahsoka is a big orange walking one.

Again there was a lot of potential here, but poor casting/direction for the heroes, uneven action (the Duels were actually good, large set pieces and space combat very poor with baffling displays of ineptitude), and a meandering plot that did little but set up the next series really let it down.  I fell like they are still writing this like it is animated Rebels 5 to the detriment of all.

This won’t be remembered from much but a few memes already circulating notably Anakins ‘Incorrect’.

Anyway sure others will have different opinions.

This is EXACTLY how I feel. I left for 2 weeks right before the final episode aired, so I was waiting to come back and watch the finale. Only to watch it and be disappointed. :-\ Ahsoka is a top 3 Star Wars character for me, and this just wasn't her. I'm glad others are agreeing with my assessment that Rosario was the wrong choice for Ahsoka. And yeah, that "blocking" sequence was so bad. I know people on this forum who could do something that looks infinitely better than that (in fact, now I want to get together with a couple people and remake the sequence to where it could look good). Just everything about it was, as you put it, lacklustre.

I really wish we could've seen more of Baylon. By far the most interesting addition to the SW universe.

"Lacklustre"

That's precisely how I felt throughout most of the series, almost each episode leaving me with an overwhelming feeling of "MEH"  My wife--bless her soul--would watch it with me (despite not particularly being a Star Wars fan) and had the same comment/observation: were the characters--Ahsoka and Sabine in particular--always that bland?  Assuring her that that was not the case, we agreed that "Ahsoka," much like most of the Disney Star Wars projects, is yet another example of utter mediocrity.

As I've stated before, Baylon (RIP Ray Stevenson :() was a breath of fresh air amongst characters that were ultimately forgettable.  Actually, I'll make one concession: I did like the interaction between Thrawn and the Nightsisters...but it was NOT as good as it could have been.

...Which, really, is my complaint for the entire series.

I really, REALLY hope that "The Acolyte" and "Andor Season 2" are improvements to the Disney status quo.

Alright. Finally got up the courage to watch the first episode. All in all I wasn't disappointed but wasn't entirely thrilled, but what should I expect from Filoni? Here are my pro-cons for the first episode.

1.) The live-action casting. Albeit, I am beyond disgusted with Disney's continued campaign to ruin beloved classics with their woke agenda, I have to say the look-alike factor was uncanny. The 3 mains looked as one would imagine their SWR animated counterparts would look. Added bonus seeing Mrs. McGregor.  ;D
2.) Prosthetics. They did a way more convincing job on Ahsoka's lekku. Still not appropriate for an adult, but looked far less childish. Similarly to Hera's lekku being small for her age. However, I'm not opposed to the parallel to....human female anatomy, in which age is not a determination of size. Some women are simply larger/smaller than others. I also liked the material they used for Ahsoka's lekku. When it moves it wrinkles, giving it a more aged skin appearance. If this was planned, it was genius.
3.) I liked how they got back to Morgan. This left a horrible taste in my mouth from Mando S2. "How TF does some random Imp with a beskar spear able to go toe-toe with a former Jedi?" Now knowing that she is a Nightsister makes a helluva lot more sense.
4.) At first I was very opposed to the new dark apprentice garb...but upon looking closer, I noticed a familiar pattern. And those schooled in concept art will recognize this.....and then I did further research and continued my disappointment. I initially thought that Hati's top was inspired by the original concept art for Asajj Ventress. But then I looked closer and saw that the pattern macthed Skoll's top. I actually liked that neither of them is actually wearing black. I wasn't quite sure how I felt about the overt wearing of white, but I'm considering that it may be an allusion to martial arts belt rankings. She is the student (white belt) and the master wears dark (black belt). And although I liked the non-plastoid armor, I felt that hers was poorly fitting and ill-placed in spots; particularly the tasses (hip armor). They just look superfluous. Spaulders, bracers and greaves I get. But that's me.
5.) I absolutely hate Hati's bangs, and hair color.....and what gives with the "padawan" braid? The actress is a pretty girl, so why give her such a wretched hair style?
6.) THE MAP!?!?! I am trying to keep my lunch down over this. HOW TF is there always a map made long ago to a place that is relevant right NOW? Thrawn was taken to God knows where with a light-speed space creature. Who TF knows that they took him anywhere versus leaving him as (most probable) space trash. Also...way to rip off Treasure Planet.
7.) I'm lost on how Ezra got lost. Guess I need to rewatch SWR. But I will welcome any reminders.
8.) I liked the orange light sabers. Anxious to see where they go with this.
9.) I appreciated Hati's ferocity when attacking. It was nice to see that she knows her place as an implement for her master....if they are in fact Sith. Curious to see where this leads.
10.) The New Republic uniforms......are so horrible looking. I'm not even into fashion, and these make me shudder. <bughugh>
11.) I'm very confused about how a group of Nightsisters of Dathomir set up an entire city on Arcana. Wouldn't that by definition make them the Nightsisters of Arcana?
12.) Sabine got dead. WOOHOO! I know she's not dead cuz I've seen enough spots online to know she gets a haircut. But still.
13.) I'm calling BS on how devastating the droid self-destruct are. The whole premise is beyond stupid. More so in that the CIS droid army didn't simply send out waves of suicide bombers to win the war. Ntm, why the hell do the bombs have to be visible to activate? "Well we did this thing one time, so now we have to do it for everything." {Stupid Disney}
14.) I loved how they had the conference table on the ship retract into the floor. That was particularly smooth.

There is a lot of good in this series, but very little Great. I wish it was better than it is. And I still don't love the Ahsoka casting (and I like Rosario a lot in other things, I just don't feel she fits Ahsoka as well as most others seem to think). But there's also a lot in this series that is ... not great. And yeah, I agree with the map. Total ripoff of Treasure Planet (one of the only movies that I'd be okay with them doing a live-action remake of).

Ep. 2 pros/cons:

1.) From watching the recap, I am really not liking Hati's spaulders. They make her look like she's constantly shrugging or slouching her head. It's very unflattering.
2.) Not really sure how I felt about "Sith" Stone Henge. I kinda dig the parallel to the real one being a celestial viewing apparatus, but....if the map could be viewed without it at Sabine's place, why was it even necessary? Hopeful it will be explained later.
3.) Very hopeful that the idea of living beings being able to achieve intergalactic travel, is a fore-shadowing that the DC is working to incorporate the Yuuzhan Vong.
4.) I was bit disgruntled that Sabine got away with a mere flesh wound, when most die from a saber stab.
5.) I didn't like the hack job. Initially I thought the idea of finding the right power levels so you don't burn up the circuitry was pretty smart. But then they butchered it by making it a simple timing thing. Kinda not how that works.
6.) Oh boy. The fight in the ship yard. The droid...meh. What really caught my interest was the Inq (Can't remember his name). More specifically was that he didn't fight with the stupid fidget spinner function of the Inq saber. He actually fought straight double blade form. I appreciated him showing true skill with the saber instead of relying on gimmicks.
7.) WOW! Sabine looks way better with the shorter hair. To be fair, they could have used the nasty condition of her long hair to hightlight (you see what I did there?) what happens when you continually color your hair.
8.) Also, I liked how they made her armor more functional looking. Instead of the "I'm a cute, spunky Mando with cute spunky armor" it looked practical; like it was actually made for her petite frame, yet offered the same level of protection. Well done prop shop.
9.) I was not a fan of Chopper throwing crap out of the ship to rain down on bystanders, (especially when he is supposedly concerned that someone else had gone through his stuff) while at the same time having Hera overly concerned that shooting the transport down. Strategically, why not simply wait to break atmo, THEN open fire? And if you could stop the transport, target the cargo and make the acquisition useless? TBF, without the idiotically thrown tracker, they wouldn't have been able to track it to the assembly sight.

She is the perfect candidate physically. We've been watching the new Last Airbender series; some characters are perfectly cast physically, others....nah. But the post-TCW Ahsoka is just written too stiff; animated or other. Also, NO! No more live-action abominations. Too many aspects would be lost. But I can't argue that seeing the aliens CGI, yeah. Especially Scroop.

Ep. 3 pros/cons:

Not a lot to discuss, since not a terrible lot happened.

1.) Good Lessons. I can't remember what they were right now, but I remember that Ahsoka's lessons to Sabine were eloquent, simple, and very applicable (regardless of Force alignment).
2.) I liked how they designed Sabine's non-armor clothes were designed: simple and functional without superfluous features. I felt it was very befitting the Mando heritage.
3.) I hate how they keep reusing the inefficient fire rate of the tail guns, used in SWR. If it were merely a downside of the Phantom, so be it. But it's a horrible standard to have AA guns that fire so slowly. Especially considering how rapidly the enemy fighters (so cool btw) shoot, the tail gun was effectively semi-automatic.
4.) I did not like the down-to-the-wire scanning BS. It was unnecessary, contrived, and tactically unsound.
5.) WOOHOO! Everyone died again because of the stupid scan. Why not simply survive first, THEN run the stupid scan? Honestly! How did Huyang survive for 500+ years being that inflexible.
6.) Back to the fighters. Absolutely beautiful. I loved the WWII/racing plane style. Although, thinking back, they shot exceptionally fast, and I noticed that they really didn't seem to be hitting....Fulcrum? :-\ very hard. So perhaps (doubtful, but perhaps) I was too severe on the tail gun fire rate, since it took few hits to wreck the fighters. I would have balanced them better though. C'est la vie.

Ep. 4 pros/cons:

1.) I'm not sure how I feel about the Westar 35s opening. I like the aesthetic of them opening to mirror the idea of pulling back the slide of a pistol to check if it's loaded. But at the same time....it's a blaster.
2.) For as much as I've complained about Huyang.......DAYUM!!!! Old man knows how to hold his own in a fight. I particularly love how his combat style utilized all of his construction to great effect.
3.) WOW! What a great fight under the ship. I like that Ahsoka is not afraid to venture into the "darkside" by throwing one dude into another dude's line of fire. Didn't like how Sabine was so easily disarmed, but they made good direct use of her armor.
4.) Ugh! Jacen. By no fault of the character's, I hate this character. a) The name was just a cheap excuse to resurrect an OC classic. b) The design makes 0% sense. As already established in TCW, Human-Twi'lek hybrid children have blended traits of both parents: Shorter lekku, no hair, mixed patches of skin color. Jacen is just a human with green hair because............Disney doesn't understand genetics. (This couldn't be seen in any other areas. ::))
5.) Shin needs to.....idk. There is something about her fighting stance that bugs me.
6.) Baylon vs. Ahsoka: decent fight, but Baylon needs to use single-hand moves. Constantly using a 2-hand approach makes him look too rigid.
7.) Ahsoka burns her hand and now she can't fight.........WTELF? She can throw the apprentice around, but can't defend or fight with her good hand? This whole plot/prat point was just bad writing to facilitate what happened next.
8.) Sabine being tempted was predictable, but a well utilized trope. However, her obsession with Ezra is getting a little stale. (I may need to watch SWR again to find out why she's so attached) But for "family" one would think she would be more concerned with what was sacrificed to achieve the ends. This seems more like an unfulfilled romance that she is desperate "rescue".
9.) "Hey Snips." That is all.

I hated a lot about the stuff with Sabine in this episode. Especially how her helmet just randomly decides to fall off in the middle of a fight. But other than that, some good stuff in this one if I remember correctly. Love Baylan, but Ahsoka just isn't it for me. However, I'm excited to see your thoughts on Ep. 5.

You asked for it, and now you're gonna get it. Lot's of praise for this one. What is it about ep.5s that get so much right?

Ep. 5 pros/cons:

I'm going chronologically because.....well I've taken to taking notes while I watch. ;D

(1 & 2 are from watching the recap)
1.) How the hell does Baylan have ANY clue, let alone specifics, why Sabine wants the map? This makes precious no sense. He doesn't know her, nor has he been a part of her past to watch events unfold.
2.) Considering the energy requirements needed to make an intergalactic jump, the discharge of such energy should have destroyed every ship in its wake. This consideration is made with Disney canon <cringe> in mind: In TLJ, the Holdo Maneuver <double cringe> displaced so much energy (and even this depiction, captivating though it was, was misrepresentative of the actual theoretical physics) that is destroyed several SDs, and absolutely wrecked the Supremacy, which totally eclipsed the Executor in size. That was only standard lightspeed. So yeah, love Hera, but all the Reps needed to die for believability.

(3 on are from the current ep.)
3.) Hayden's been practicing. ;D I love the way his saber form flows. It seems to be a modified form of his usual aggressive technique, but more graceful and sneaky. Kind of akin to what we could have expected of Vader had he not lost the duel on Mustafar.
4.) UGH! F#$%ING Jacen. I hated the saber sounds in the waves. It was a weak means further the plot a force a search of the area.
5.) Really dig the live-action TCW flash-backs. There's something extremely satisfying seeing Hayden donning Anakin's iconic CW armor.
6.) I really appreciate the design of the Ghost for the live-action. As much as I hate to admit it, the Ghost has become as......lovable (?) as the Millennium Falcon.
7.) OMG! WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Non-suited Vader is cool to see again, but the mixed voices of Anakin and Vader just pushed it over the edge. That was an incredible nuance. Actually sent a chill down my spine.
8.) Very interesting make-up job on Ahsoka when she wakes up. Don't think we've ever seen a Togruta without a head adornment. I did research images of Shaak Ti and others. And even though the head/face line isn't necessarily covered, attention isn't really brought to it. Also, older renditions of this anatomical feature depict it as a fold and not a smooth transition. I think the smooth makes the lekku look much less prosthetic and more natural. Good job make-up dept.

Ok, I agree with 1. But Baylan is just such a charismatic character that it was just a joy to watch his performance.

as for 2, I want to agree with you, but even within the movies, we have contradictions, going all the way back to ANH when Han is talking about needing to calculate the jump correctly (although he's talking about supernovas and such). But if you look at R1, we see several ships attempt to jump into hyperspace, but run into the recently emerged SD. Sticking with R1 for a second here, they jump from within the atmosphere of Jedha, which should cause all sorts of issues, but it didn't (maybe because the atmosphere was already messed up due to the DS test, and maybe it couldn't cause anything to happen to the planet itself because it was already so broken). And then we go to Rebels. I believe it's S5 that Hera jumps through a space station. And then in TLJ, the Holdo maneuver causes all sorts of devastation (as you mentioned), and was supposedly 1 in a million or something like that (though then shown not to be the case at the end of TROS 🤦🏼‍♂️). So it's hard to really know what would actually happen with that. But I think it's safe to say that it depends on how far away from the object you are when you initiate the jump. The closer it gets to hyperspace, the more damage it will do. Or something along those lines. Who really knows for certain.

Alright, now to the good stuff!
Yes, Anakin. All the Anakin. Just utter perfection. The lightsaber truly looks like it belongs to him, and that he's been wielding it all his life. TCW flashbacks were utterly brilliant (no surprise), an young Ahsoka was perfect (far better than Rosario has ever been). And it absolutely is the nuanced performance of Anakin that we've been looking for. I always knew Hayden was great as Anakin. I'm just glad everyone else can see it now too. But also if you watch the BTS stuff about this show, Hayden is heavily involved in the process of bringing Anakin to life. And the way he thinks about the roll and the suggestions he has, it's abundantly clear that he knows this character (and how Lucas wanted him to be) so well. It's just great to see.
As for the unsettling nature of the Lekku without the foreheadlace, yeah, that was weird. Didn't like it, and didn't need to see it. But you are right in that it makes sense design-wise. I do believe that we have seen examples once or twice of other Togruta withought the thing though. Tales of the Jedi, maybe, and maybe even TCW once.

After some thought, I can concede that the characteristic does add to his mystique.

I'm having a slightly hard time following. In ANH, Han is worried about literally flying through an object at light speed. Unlike the the Halo universe (and various other sci-fi), hyperspace in SW is not a different plane of existence, it's merely the view as you travel at the speed of light. I don't know where you get that the Holdo (Force I hate even saying the name) maneuver was a long shot. It was a one-way trip for sure, but not a long shot. And I did a bit of research; the Supremacy made the the Executor look tiny. (Which in and of itself is ridiculous because where tf is the ragtag FO getting all these resources to build their war machine?) I didn't remember the instances in R1, but they shouldn't have been able to. Atmospheric friction should have ripped the ship apart. And any reference to erratically jumping to HS should just be scrubbed because anything less than what Han did in ANH is Russian roulette that you'll make it to your destination. As for TROS (read: TRASH ::)) I assume you're talking about <UGH> lightspeed skipping? That was a bad plot point to reinforce an even worse plot point. You can't track a jump without a tracker. So the TIEs wouldn't be able to follow the Falcon. More to the point, all of these examples are from standard jumps. The jump in question is intergalactic _(planetary); meaning it has to have way more push to make the distance. And considering the way that Morgan ordered the jump despite the numerous obstruction.....she was counting on the shock of the launch to annihilate the NR ships.

Hayden's post-Anakin work surprised many. It was the end-all-be-all argument that a good actor cannot trump bad direction. And as has been said before: if you want to know what he was actually able to bring to the character, pay attention to his unspoken lines; particularly when Anakin is very troubled or hurting.

I think you appreciated young Ahsoka more than you're letting on. The version that was still hopeful; that hadn't been jaded by a literal lifetime of fighting. Name one period of Ahsoka's life (pre-Anakin excluded) that she wasn't in the thick of it. That kind of life is going to result in the type of person that Rosario is depicting. (IMO)

I like when lekku go smooth.

Oh, I forgot about the lightspeed skipping thing. 🤦🏼‍♂️
I think it's in TROS that Poe says something about how the Holdo Maneuver was not likely to work again. But rewatch R1, because it was calculated, just very dangerous. I have so many issues with the Sequels, so not going to rehash that here and now. But suffice it to say, there's enough evidence from various movies and shows to show that the whole Lightspeed thing doesn't quite have any set rules.


I'll freely admit that I don't think I've ever watched something else with Hayden in it. But I've always appreciated his performance as Anakin, even if it was a little rough at times. And that's only grown as I've continued studying acting and filmmaking.


I don't think I can appreciate Young Ahsoka anymore than I do. Animated, or Live-Action. But Old Ahsoka (Rosario's) doesn't work for me at all. There's times where I don't hate what she's doing, but most the time, I feel like even for an older, more jaded and hardened Ahsoka, the way she's playing her doesn't make sense. It's not just hard, it's just straight up bland. And it's not that I dislike Rosario. I think she's great it other things. I've just never seen Ahsoka past the Rosario. If you go back and read my comments when I was watching the show the first time, and I explain my thoughts a bit clearer.

EDIT:
^^^ Here is the start of the conversation (first post in the thread).

Well Poe was an idiot written by a bigger idiot. I think the bigger reason most jumps take place out of atmo is because it offers a greater panorama of trajectories. Theoretically, shields might be able to negate the effects of atmospheric friction considering that there are very few examples of things burning up during reentry in SW. In ESB, the probe droid pods most likely weren't shielded because they are disposable. And in ROTS, the Invisible Hand was beyond wrecked......however I don't think the ship was critically damaged before reentry :-\. Unless Grievous shut down the shields and locked them before setting a collision course. IDK.

I've seen a couple of things with him in it, but I can't remember them well enough to comment on his performance, beyond that he's not bad.

And that's fine. One thing that I hate about how they do her and young Luke post-Empire is that all of a sudden they're all calm and sagely as "masters". I think teachers would be more to the point, but regardless, their personalities just kinda dried up when they take on the role. Unlike Luke though, Ahsoka I think has had far more dealings with seedy characters and has learned just to stay cool and collected. She may have also heeded the anti-lesson of Anakin and not prone to show her emotions.

In case it wasn't clear, I'm saying that Ahsoka (animated, and live-action young) is one of my favorite characters of all time. Probably #2 in Star Wars. 👍🏻

She is something. But that is because they gave her actual character growth. We literally got to see her grow up over 7 seasons of TCW, and they did it exceptionally well. So yeah, what's not to get attached to? However, there was a large divide between that character and what we got in SWR. Which then goes back to what I said about so many years in conflict jading her. Case in point, I always thought Vader was a great villain from just the OT. But I have to admit, despite pushing bull$#!% crystal canon and dumbass Force ideals, the Vader comics, and subsequently changes to the character in the DC productions......not gonna lie, they've been an improvement. Anakin was a textbook example of a closet rageaholic, but Vader from the OT was very calm and measured; which does kinda add to his sinister nature. But this newer nuance that his rage is always ready to boiler over lends itself to a better yin-yang dynamic between him and the emperor. But I digress, we can all agree the little Ani sucked.

Ep. 6 pros/cons: _{(Take 2, because the site crashed and lost my last review. Fortunately I still have my notes.)}

1.) Such a nice beginning to Huyang's story. Usually I am fervently opposed to such reckless and blatant use of nostalgic kitsch......but this was well placed and used. <golf clap>
2.) Awesome work on the galactic reentry. Though it does raise the question how you slow an object moving so fast without crashing into something. #ThingsthatmakeyougoHmmmm
3.) Ok, the Dathomiri came from Peridea in Galaxy X, and the purrgil "come to Peridea to die", then how did they get over to Galaxy 1? (I use X and 1 since intergalactic travel has only rarely been achieved, and name's are usually not given.....like Milky Way ::))
4.) How the hell does Baylan know every "left out" detail in any conversation? It's been kind of a major irk since the beginning of the series.
5.) Seeing the Sisters move in unison really ups the creep factor. Nice nails btw.
6.) The Sisters said Sabine "wreaked of Jedi." Are we to infer that they know what a Jedi from dealing with Ezra? Cuz these biddies come from a galaxy devoid of Jedi. Or am I completely mistaken about their origins?
7.) I completely forgot that the purrgil took the SD at the end of SWR. (Rewatched on YT.) But HOW did anyone survive on that bridge with the busted windows? I can only assume that it's in such rough shape because it wasn't designed to deal with the stresses of intergalactic travel.
8.) WTELF is with the trooper armor? Is the red ribbon supposed to be some sorta show of loyalty to the Sisters? The troopers should be loyal to Thrawn only, and his word would then be good enough for the Sisters. DUMB!
9.) No instructions how to ride the dog except "lay down"? Really? I guess 'hyah!' is a universal for any mount. :-\
10.) The dog scene was cute but dumb. She's all pissy cuz she lost her scanner, but all of her other gear (probably including water and rations) is on the dog, and she wants it to go? Dumb.
11.) Not entirely sure how I feel about Ezra's friends.

Not gonna repost my reply, because I don't remember what I said.😅

I only did it so there wouldn't be a gap in my reviews.

Ep. 7 pros/cons:

1.) Ok, that senator has the punch-face. Seriously needs some back handing to put him in his place. I'm a bit surprised Hera didn't simply hit him with "Do you have any military experience fighting Thrawn? 'Cause I have more than I want. And any leads that indicate his possible return should indicate a credible threat."
2.) Ugh! 3PO. But I have to admit it was good to hear him try to pull off Obi Wan; "You don't need to see my identifiation."\
3.) And the most UGH! I HAAAAAAAATTTTTTEEEEEEE the NR security uniforms. They are just so 1970's B-rated sci-fi bad fugly.
4.) Why all of a sudden is Ahsoka running short blades on both sabers? I sincerely doubt that she just randomly decided to go double shoto, Unless it just makes it easier not to slice up the ship while running drills. :-\
5.) HOLY FRIKKIN MINE FIELD!!!!!!!!!! It was beautiful to see, but not believable. The combined weight of that much ordinance would most likely rival the tonnage of the SD itself. But my OCD is telling me to shut up and enjoy the precision of that grid spacing. ;D ;D ;D "Un ne passe pas."
6.) They did a fantastic job casting Ezra. Not only the look, but the voice as well. The only thing I'm not sold on is the curly hair. He always had straight hair in SWR. Beyond that, it is a pure case of life imitating art.
7.) Now comes the chase......WTF? I'm sorry, I know it's the American way not to hurt dogs, but if they're carrying the guys who want to kill you, YOU SHOOT THE DOGS.
8.) UGH! I have not missed those ugly troop carriers. Just....<barf>
9.) It was kinda neat seeing Ezra be a Force monk. (No saber required.) I haven't seen something like this since Windu stoop alone in the Clone Wars microseries. But again...........LEAVE OUT THE @#$%ING SABER BLOCK. So tired of seeing that lame manuever.

Ep.8 pros/cons:

Alright let's wrap this up with a bow till next season.

1.) I loved the title of this episode: "The Jedi, the Witch, and the Warlord." It's a clear homage to The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. Classy and clever.
2.) The Nightsister ritual in Morgan's ascension was pretty cool. Great use of effects.
3.) The TIEs immediately taking off after.....DUMB! There's a frikkin tower parked in the middle of the docking bay. And let's face it, TIE pilots in tight spaces are about as reliable as stormtroopers at long range.
4.) I would say it's nice to see that the competence of the pre-rebellion era imps remains consistent in exile, but.......I hated the incompetence of the imps in SWR.
5.) OK, so now zombie troopers is a thing......again. Kinda cool, and a sound tactic. However, if Disney would just use a saber properly, ZOMBIES WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. >:(
6.) I'm gonna go ahead and call BIG BS. It defied belief, in the last episode, that they were able to deploy a (beautiful) mine field that should have taken days, if not weeks, in what seems like a few hours. But then, in an even shorter amount of time, the system is completely cleaned up just in time for the SD to get gone.
7.) I did like that they finally explained why Morgan's intergalactic "ship" was so enigmatically large: it's a hyperspace ring for a SD. This really tickled my engineering bones. Not entirely sold that this was structurally sound, but......I'll allow it.
8.) Way to phone it in Force-wise. Sabine made one Force pull and now she has full confidence in her tk.
9.) What a lame ending. No Ezra saving the day by stealing the ship. No explanation of what the "cargo" was. (I believe it is a great number of Nightsisters in stasis, waiting to unleash a reign of chaotic terror the likes of which the Empire could never match. But Disney ain't that malevolently creative.) No explanation of what Baylan was trying to accomplish (and now Ray's passed. :'() No explanation of where tf Shin is going? NOTHING!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

But I said I was going to wrap this up with a bow.

10.) Can we just take a moment and appreciate how good those Mando pants make Sabine's butt look? ;D ;D ;D Well done wardrobe dept. <golf clap>

I sure took my sweet time to watch the last episode.
I... I'm  kinda lost for words. There's so much stupid stuff it hurts. Just in the writing. Having Them stuck there. WTF would anyone do this?? It's a freaking waste. And even though Baylon told Shin to go back to Thrawn, she's still stuck there cause... they need an opponent to stay on the planet... And Baylon... not sure we'll ever know what his agenda was since the actor is now deceased.
I still love Sabine and Shin. BUT DAMN THOSE TERRIBLE WRITERS ARE A PAIN.

Feel ya, my dark brother.

Im willing the to see where they go before I call it a waste.  Im sure they are going to recast Baylon...(Graham McTavish would be my vote) which is sad because Ray killed that part.  Now Im gonna speak a blasphemy. rumor is Shin will be the Disney Mara Jade.

Good call on McTavish. -1

Considering they about to bastardize Plagueis, it wouldn't surprise me that they'll screw up Mara......until the fans revolt. I heard they're looking to try to bring Revan into the fold. There will be a march on Disney if the screw that character up. And let's face it, when they screw it up, I'll bring the popcorn.

I would actually enjoy a good Revan like during mandalorian wars. Leave that damn period alone. I can't stand what they've done as sequels. I'm not happy with the last cameo in Acolyte. ENOUGH. Go to other period. Do something else. I'd kill for something similar to SWTOR. Lots of sith. Lots of jedis. Lots of shenanigans. Too many siths to achieve anything because they are too busy betraying each other...

Disney plays it safe.... The Old Republic isn't safe.  The EU gave his Luke Skywalker's great grandson who was a Death Stick addicted Pirate who walked the line between Dark and Light....  Disney would never.

I want a live action rebel pilot series...

They can't do proper Old Republic stories because of their own idiotic narrative. The Sith ONLY ever number two. So where are you going to come up with an entire army? {LAME!}

Plus Darth Talon. ;D

But yes, Disney doesn't have the balls to actually attempt an original idea. They have to go off of ratings, and socially hyped BS, and progressive ideologies. They can't possibly just produce a good story front to back without some ulterior agenda.

If I'm not mistaken, Disney is set to bastardize Rogue Squadron at some point. So you can look forward to that.

I've been letting it go in the interest of actually having some discussion around here, for the first time in years, but I'm going to have to put the mod hat on right now. The talk in these show threads has skirted too close to politics for my liking. Please watch phrases like "progressive ideologies" "too much agenda" etc. Also watch the skirting close to foul language. (I'm talking to everyone, not just one person.)

Why would there always be only two? It made sense that at some point someone said enough infighting and implemented that rule. But it's way too dangerous to have always been in effect.
I'll skip the rest.

Please don't skip the rest!

 I've always thought the same kind of thing. All your eggs in one basket. Just having two doesn't make them any safer from outside threats. Only two doesn't makes the odds better for more than two to survive.  I've  got twelve and six get cracked? Six remaining is better than two at the start.
  I would love to hear more of your thoughts or opinions on this idea in more details!

Also I would like some eggs... and ham, on an english muffin, drowning in hollandaise sauce.

Oh I will skip the borderline politics.
But yeah, IIRC the rule of two was made to help flying under jedi's radar. Harness more power. Stop the sabotaging and conspiracies between siths against other siths instead of kicking jedi's ass. And, by forcing the apprentice to kill the master to claim the title, it should have made every generation stronger than the previous one. STILL. I WANT MORE SITHS

It was.  It's in the old EU.  The last war between the jedi and sith the Sith were losing not only because of the Jedi but their own infighting.  Bane was the surviving Lord and implemented the rule of two.

And Darth Zannah ended his RAIN as the ruler of the Sith.

(points to anyone who gets the joke!)  ;D

News flash: ideologies and agendas extend far beyond the realms of religious and political theatres.

To paraphrase what DSW has continually shown with their incompetent handling of the franchise: if a preestablished character's limited knowledge of galactic history said it, then it HAS TO BE. I.e. Yoda: "Always two there are. No more, no less." So George's character said it and that makes it an all encompassing world build point.

In contrast, I devised a way to circumvent the groan-fest mechanic of midichlorians being the connection to the Force. I know George wanted a way to have a definite metric with which to measure Force strength, and he was kind of onto something. But instead of the MC count defining Force strength, why not flip it: MCs thrive in Force sensative beings. So the stronger you are in the Force, the higher your count is. It achieves the same goal, but without the painfully dogmatic McGuffin.

Pro-con. Bane instituted Revan's logic, and refined it. Revan believed that there should always be 1 master to 1 apprentice to ensure that a strong master could not be usurped by multiple weak apprentices....like what happened to Treya :'(. Only a strong apprentice would have what it took to take the place of the master, and thus strengthen the Sith as a whole. Bane went further by limiting the Sith to number ONLY 2 so that they would exist only in rumor, since the Jedi believed that the order was completely exterminated on Ruusan. He believed that the power of the dark side was like a bottle wine; there's only so much to go around, and the only way to make it go further was to dilute it. With only 2, the dark side power would be concetrated and more potent. I also heard it theorized, and have explained before, (some believing that Bane understood this and counted on it, others that it was merely a side effect that aided his cause) that because there were tens of thousands of Jedi and only two Sith for over a millennium, that the Force pushed back and allowed the Jedi to be destroyed in order to "bring balance to the Force." Something about Anakin fulfilling some prophecy and a green dude conjecturing that it was misinterpretted. :-\

That's what I had in mind. I remember reading Bane's comics. Thanks for confirming and providing more info!

This is kind of how I've always understood it. It's not that the Midichlorians are literally the Force, but that they are merely one, scientifically measurable aspect. They alone don't dictate the Force (seeing as how it's an energy field that binds the galaxy together, and that it's in the rocks, the trees, etc.). It can't be. But it is also one way we can better understand the Force.

Okay but I'm fully capable of using context to know people are referring to political and social issues when they say this stuff. I'm just reminding everyone to be careful.

"No Religion. No Politics." Am I missing anything from the rules? Last I checked, social doesn't fall under either of the Nos.

When the social issues are politicized, it's politics.