Saber Forum

These past few weeks my friends have been complaining because all of my lightsabers are Dark. They say I need a Silver hilt to make a Jedi Saber, So Im just curious as to what you guys call "Jedi" Styled sabers and "Sith" Styled sabers. I don't think I could see some sabers as "Jedi". Like the Bane, Dark War Glaive, Raven, Overlord. But maybe thats just me. So here's my question for Discussion. What sabers do you consider "Jedi" and which do you consider "Sith"?

The Consular and Guardian for sure: Jedi. That's really all I can think of.



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The Liberator, Standard Issue, and normal Prophecy, normal Arbiter, Jedi. Dominix, Dark Liberator, Dark Standard Issue, Raven, Overlord, Dark War Glaive, and Dark Arbiter for Sith. So if you're looking for something cheaper you could go for the first 3 sabers I mentioned. Even the Bellicose could go both ways really if done right. Hope this helps.

When Anakin turned Sith What type of saber did he use on his slaughter house at the Jedi Temple? It's not the saber that makes you Jedi or Sith. You find the saber you like and roll with it.

The Bellicose is a great Jedi saber!
I got mine with a blue AV switch (it was the only color available at the time, but I'd still have picked it).
And I always keep my Guardian Blue MLS unit in it. I think blue looks best on that saber compared to
the other colors I've tried, which is all of them except the forum exclusive ones.

totally agree with this! It's all about preference and whether the saber is being used in a Sith like or Jedi like fashion.

I hesitate to label any of the standard sabers as Jedi or Sith.  It's all in how you customize it that gives it the personality.  Generally, however, I do think that the silver sabers tend to look more light side.  The darker sabers, however, seem to be generally "grey", giving the appearance that the wielder could go either way.

The saber that comes closest to being totally Sith for me is the Dark War Glaive, with it's black claws.  Someone on here also customized a pair of Dark Prophecies with DWG claws, giving them a very evil look.

I tend to agree. For me it's the claws that give the sabers that "evil" dark side look. Even if it's silver, to me those claws just look too aggressive for a light-sider to wield. So the War Glaives and Ravens for me are sith lightsabers. But if you remove the claws they end up with much a different look.

I just don't picture a lot of Jedi running around with pointy claws protruding from their lightsabers.

Well it's not so much the claws themselves for me.  I've got an RGB Raven, and it suits my Jedi persona very well.  Of course, my Jedi is a wookiee, but still.

For me, if there's anything that says "Sith", it's angles.  I picture Sith sabers having a lot of sharp-looking shrouds and windowed emitters of unusual shapes.

I was thinking about getting a Bellicose. Very nice and cheap ;D


True, but its difficult to find the perfect saber for a nice price :p '


I don't think it could properly fit into the Jedi ideals.

When Anakin turned to the Dark side he didn't exactly have a lot of time to work on his wardrobe.  He was kind of busy slaughtering children and other people at the time.  They (Annie and Palpatine) might have lost the element of surprise if Annie had decided to go on a quest to change clothes and build a "Sith" lightsaber (although it would have been a nice touch if Palpatine had a nice red lightsaber all ready for him - "Toss that Jedi trash, and use this.. it was once carried by Darth blablah...")

Killing the Jedi Order off would have been somewhat more difficult if the Jedi had realized they were under attack. 

@Zurth. The Bellicose would be a good saber for you. Heres an idea to do to it. Arctic Blue Ultra Edge Heavy Grade blade, gold or bronze button whichever you like, Obsidian with blue av button and li-ions, black blade holder, and long groove pommel. I think the long groove pommel contrasts with the black blade holder best. Just an idea though plus the saber would look good too.

Lol, the Bellicose I was looking at was Arctic Blue, UltraEdge Heavy, Blue Button, Obsidian w/ Blue AV, Black Blade Hold, and Short groove pommel. I really enjoy the short grooved pommel as it gives more silver to the blade, making most of the black just trim

Mortis Cycle. Being the Chosen One sort of makes him the most powerful being in the universe.... okay not even sort of.... I agree it would've been more difficult, but it would've happened anyways.


Darth Sidious.

Anyways, I don't find any sort of saber to be Sith or Jedi unless it's based on a Sith saber (the Bane, for example). I fancy myself a Light Sider and I wield a black anodized hilt with a red blade. No biggie.

Simple a jedi makes his saber to his specification with what he has on hang and then personal preferemces.

Sure darker colors may appear Sith but look at dooku, shinney....

My sabers will be Jedi, and probaly all dark color or shaded and matte so as not to reflect light.
My idea behind this is um light reflects.. cant sneak up on those pesky sith if they see u...

Aeons of all sorts, v2, v3, LE, regular, those are supurb. silver standard issues, the catalyst, archon, those are jedi to me. the war glave even all silver and jedi colored, just doesnt seem like a jedi saber. the claws dont seem very jedi-ish, more like a weapon Grevious or Maul would use,:P

I don't think there is really a "Jedi" or "Sith" saber personally. You find what you like, and use it. My next saber will definitely be a dark hilt but i still plan to use it as a Jedi.

I agree the War Glaive appears sith and sinister in appearance. I believe Jedi would be more focused on preventing battle then rushing in with their sabers.

i don't know about  that  preventing battles  statement i was always a fan of aggressive negotiations

Anakin was a fan of those. Then he became a Sith and killed his wife. Definitely not a Jedi move ;D just saaaying.

Regular Shock and Shock LE look like something a jedi would carry. The Dark Shock, to me, would fit either jedi or sith.
I would think that some jedi would design their hilt to be a little less shiny.

Key word being "some" let's not forget Mace Windu ;)

I don't think the color of the handle is as big of a deal either way, but like I mentioned earlier I just don't see a Jedi putting sharp pointy claws on the end of their lightsabers. It screams "I am going to attack you and do as much damage as I can in the process!"

And while many Jedi are prone to cutting people's arms off.... the intent of a Jedi should always be to draw their lightsaber in defense only, never with an intent to attack.

The claws to me represent someone who is trying to intimidate their opponent, an easy visual of a predator quickly comes to mind. That is the mindset of a Sith, not a Jedi.

However, if you put it that way, I could see a Jedi purposefully putting intimidating claws on his saber.  If the claws are intimidating, the saber might not even need to be drawn.

I know if I were some punk with a blaster, but then a Jedi with huge, clawed lightsaber showed up, I'd wet myself and surrender immediately.

But what happens when that Jedi is going to negotiation with a planet and his saber is intimidating. Its definitely a drawback. The style of Sith and Jedi are almost one in the same and unique to their owners. I agree with most that a saber is your own and does not define your character. Which is why I want to put a War Glaive claw on my Dark Initiate but im unsure of the size of the holes in the Claw.

It may be effective, but it's not the Jedi way. Jedi are supposed to project calm, and inner peace. They aren't supposed to be going around intimidating people into submission. Like I said, intimidation is a Sith tactic, not a Jedi tactic.

Now maybe a Grey Jedi would be willing to do that, but a true, "noble" Jedi following the codes of the council, no I don't think so.

This whole concept of "Grey Jedi" is hogwash. Dreamed up by the undecided. You either fall one way of the other there is no inbetween. plain and simple.

Qui-Gon was considered to be a Grey Jedi, because he didn't follow all of the rules such as the "noble" Jedi did.

Maybe it's the society's preconceived notion that horns/claws are evil. It transcended even to weapons. Horns/claws do not translate to being evil (there are a lot of Zabrak Jedis). For me a saber with claws or pointy are not necessarily Jedi or Sith. Even the slanted ones. Maybe it's about other uses.

A Bellicose's emitter can be a good bottle opener without using the force, he he he. The Raven's claws can be a used in flipping patties and barbecues.  ;D

More of Luca's Crap from the "new movies"

Dont forget  your force bugs

blaa blaaa bllaaa

Were the I-III not written before IV-VI?


Yea, but I guess for those whom have only seen the movies they only see Maul. So the Horns and Claws appear to be evil in nature. And Lol, I need a bottle opener. Coke is glass is the best.

A jedi's lightsaber is concealed behind their robes on their person. If a jedi settled a peace negotiation using intimidation(manipulating fear) he would not keep the comforting, peaceful, voice that oversees a settlement and acts as a conscience to those involved. Manipulating this fear could cause future conflict and be more destructive if one of those involved feels threatened. Thats why jedi conceal their lightsabers in the first place.
Sith however like Maul was a walking fear factor.(However leading to his demise when he decided to gloat to a thought-to-be doomed Obi)
Dooku used intimidation while he flashed his darkside power/curved saber offering a chance for his would be opponents to flee or submit(as in ep.II)
Grievous would try, but would flee if intimidation was not on his side.

All of which were not jedi techniques.
On a less technical note, using intimidation only ever got me darkside pointsXP

Dooku is a perfect example of a Jedi with a clawed saber. He built the saber in the movies BEFORE he fell to the darkside. All he did when he became a Sith was replace the blue crystal with a red one.

Someone also mentioned the Dark Shock being both a Jedi and Sith saber, and I have to agree. It has a very "Qui-Gon" look, yet still very different.

But it wasn't a claw really, Dooku being described as a expert duelist(somewhat close to resembling a fencer) it was a emitter guard, not a 'claw' per se.
I see what your saying though, as a sith he used it for that purpose, added to that serious, quick-draw dark side to his saber

It's not just a claw, it's a good old can opener!

As Goldleader said, it's not a claw. And he did not use it to intimidate. A few key points from wookieepedia:

"The emitter featured both an angular blade guard and a thumb trigger that activated the weapons dual-phase setting, shortening the blade for a close quarters surprise attack."

"Dooku constructed his lightsaber shortly after becoming a Jedi Master, deliberately using a design that had little connection to the standard lightsaber he had wielded as a Knight. The Master had entertained a long interest in such designs, including a short, handwritten comment to that effect in his copy of the The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force next to the brief description of a curved-hilt lightsaber."

"As the political leader of the Confederacy of Independent Systems, Dooku rarely engaged in battle, and his lightsaber remained largely idle."

When he did reach for his lightsaber it was to duel with another armed opponent. But again, it was never constructed in any attempt to intimidate.

I know, but it's still a claw. Yes, it's purpose was to act as an emitter guard, rather than intimidate, but it still was somewhat intimidating. Even if that wasn't it's intended purpose. ;)

Um isnt the lightsaber in general intimidating... i mean everyone oohs n ahhs when a jedi whips out his glowstick....

Dooku as powerful as he was always demonstrated dominance in some manner following his encouragment to his challengers to surrender or retreat. He usually tried to avoid combat unless it was s last ditch effort to prevent the enemy from going further, then he would engage them in combat. He put on a threatening dangerous act to try and overt battle, however the old man trying to intimdate some of the best jedi didnt really ever work out:P

First off, I'll just say that ANY saber can be wielded by a Sith or Jedi.  I've seen stereotypical Sith sabers look great in Jedi colors and vice versa.

That said, I agree that there are types of hilts that give off a certain "feel."  Silvery hilts appear more Jedi-themed while darker ones tend to work better as "Sith" sabers.  In addition, I would say that the details are key - stylish, edgy features like slanted emitters or gold plating tend to strike me as less Jedi-like than simple, utilitarian hilts (compare the Bellicose to the Consular for instance).

Naturally some builds have features which give it an aggressive look, for instance the claws on the War Glaive and Raven.  At the same time, you have other hilts like the Overlord which seem to match up with more subtle Sith Lords, someone more like Dooku or Cronfios (from the RP board).

If I had to make a list, I'd say the following:

Jedi:  Silver stunts (Aeon, SI, Liberator, Prophecy), Consular, Shock, Guardian, Archon.
Sith:  Dark stunts (Dominix, DSI, Dark Liberator, Dark Prophecy), Dark War Glaive, Raven, Overlord.
Either:  Bellicose, Bane, Catalyst.

Again, Sidious used a very shiny, but simple saber, whereas Windu used a saber that precisely matches your description of a saber that strikes you as Sith-like. So really any saber can look Sith (I would use crimson there instead of maroon, but to each his own ;)) or Jedi depending on the point of view. My view is that sabers are inanimate objects (perhaps with the exception of Anakin's) and the user entirely determines the perception of the weapon. There are stereotypes, sure, but I prefer to look beyond them. In short: perception is relative.

Indeed, that was my first point.  I love to see people breaking the stereotypes (as shown with the Sidious and Windu hilts).  At the same time, something so fancy as an electrum plated saber (like Windu's) seems far too gaudy for a Jedi.  These characters were partially based on Buddhist monks (and partially on Samurai) so we're talking a group of people who would carry the most bare bones, simplistic weapons on them.  The whole point of being a Jedi is that the lightsaber is your only real possession - a vow of poverty which once again comes from a monastic root.

I could see someone like Anakin having a fancy hilt, as the boy never really seems to learn the meaning of humility (at least not til his end), but the core of a Jedi's beliefs seems to point towards more humble styled hilts.

I think I've seen a few Raven's that made excellent Jedi sabers, Despite having claws.


I think the Consular is another one of the Eitheror sabers. It can be pretty scary, but also a good Jedi saber. I would certainly enjoy it as a Jedi Saber ;D and Initiates make great off-hand sabers for both sides (:

I would love to see a BR Sith Consular! Never thought of that until now....

Am I the only one that saw it in an Evil Environment? I might get one in Orange (: Maybe around April where I can work more.

Well Kham has one in BH, but that color never really seems Sith to me despite the name.... if you get one, post plenty of pics ;) I think it would look beastly in FO, PO, or BR for a Sithy saber.

Nothing Scarier than Banes Heart aka Magenta. Curious is the Shroud Finish the clawlike piece? The pictures just make it look like a metal rod.

The shroud is the metallic silvery part that is over the main black hilt.

This slightly off topic discussion pretty much proves that any saber can be Jedi or Sith....

My bad :p The Arbiter is one I don't think has been mentioned. Its on sale and how could we forget it :o Though I think the Dark Hilts are considered as Sith, but the size of the hilt just makes it feel dark even in silver.