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I know there are folks out there who love this game, even still play it to this day. So I was wondering... Why?

I bought the game when it first came out. I had trouble getting it to run on my PC - I had to start a new game every time I played and sit through the unskippable intro because for some reason it wouldn't load saved games until I had a game running. I lost interest quickly and took the game back for a refund.

A few years ago I picked up an SW games bundle on Steam, with KOTOR being one of them. I installed it, played through the first few hours or so up 'til the point where you start fighting the Rakghoul things. That's where I lost interest.

Maybe it's just me; I found the gameworld hard to navigate and combat frustrating, and the apparent need to obsessively manage inventory bugs me in any game I play, so that counted against it too. Even with the SW background and apparently wonderful story, I just couldn't get into it.

I feel I'm missing out here - this is the undisputed legend among SW games, even more so than TIE Fighter and the Rogue Squadron games, so hopefully someone on here can sell me on the game. I'd like to take another crack at it and see if I can get into it at last - that, or I'll just have to accept that it's always going to be a game I'll just never click with.

I recently bought it, and same as you, can't get into it. I had really high expectations and I was also expecting to play as a force user, being a SW game.

Let's see, I first played it way back in the day, 2004, I think, on the XBOX.  I played it all the way through and loved it.  I've played it through on the PC and I even have it on my Kindle Fire, along with an XBOX copy.  (the one I played 12 or so years ago wasn't mine, but I've since bought it)

The main reason I still play and love it to this day is due to the story.  I really love it.  It's long and well written.  The characters are all really cool, especially once you get into the back stories of your companion characters.  Aside from the story, there's lots to do in the game, plenty of quests and side quests.  Furthermore, the choice of going either Light Side or Dark Side is really cool, I've done both more than once.  You can also decide to play as either a male or female, and the game adapts to that.  Aside from deciding the path you take, you can also create any type of character you want, within the limits of the game engine.  Want to be a smuggler who becomes a Jedi Consular and throws Force Lightning?  Sure, why not?  You can literally pick any combination of abilities and powers that are available.  This adds to the replay value as you can make different choices next time and have a different experience.  Also, you have some say in how things go as, after the second planet, you can fly around the galaxy and do the next few planets in whatever order you want.  This also adds variety.  Unfortunately, many games today, even in the same genre, are missing this level of customization and going for more cookie cutter archetypes.  (looking at you, SWTOR)

But, I can see where this type of game isn't for everyone.  As I said, it's long.  It's not an action game, it's a roleplaying game.  Thus, there is a lot of story and there are long conversations to be had.  You have to do a lot of wandering around, exploring to find your quest goals, etc.  Some people prefer more straightforward games, and that's cool.  To each their own.  I like those too.

Anywho, that's what KOTOR is for me, just a wonderful SW experience.  However, it won't be for everyone.

So you do become a Force user? I suspected as much. I'm stuck trying to find Ragkhoul serum.

Yeah, the title is kind of a giveaway.  ;)  In the second game, you actually start as a Jedi who has lost their connection to the Force, but you start getting it back at level 1.  The first one makes you wait until level 8-10, depending on how much stuff you do on the first planet, to get to the point where you're a Jedi.  Both make you wait some time for that lightsaber, though.

A corpse in the Undercity has that serum you're looking for.

Thanks.

That's my problem, I can't figure out how to get to the undercity.  :-[

Ah.  It can take a bit of figuring out.  Have you made it to the Lower City or are you still in the Upper City?

It's been a little while. I think I quit in my room in the apartment building.

Both KOTORs really suffer from tedious intros (the second less so because it automatically introduces Force abilities), but once you get past them they're really worth it.

The first one is like a personal variation on ANH, capturing the same sense of fun as the movie with its own great cast of characters. The second one is more interesting because it directly challenges the binary view of the Force, changing how you view it while introducing fascinating developments to the lore (it's the only EU material I miss). However, KOTOR 2 doesn't reach the heights it should because of an unfortunately rushed production, but it's still worth it.

Just get past those annoying intro planets and you'll be fine. The first one is especially fun when you go through all of the sidequests.  :)

In the first one, you can really build up your character's other abilities before becoming a Jedi.  Though, I agree, it would be nice if you started out as one.  But, that's obviously not how they wanted to do it, and it does fit with the story.  Though, if you ignore everything else and only do the quests on Taris that will get you off the planet, you can leave at a lower level.  This has a lot of advantages, not the least of which is more Force power towards the end of the game, as they increase with each level.  I've done this before on some of my play throughs where I (obviously) wasn't as worried about 100% completion as I normally am.  ;)

I do like in the second game how you start off as a Jedi.  You start getting Force abilities back the first time you level up.  In a lot of ways, that game was an improvement over the first.  Too bad Obsidian made such a mess of things with the release and released a game that's notorious for its bugs and incomplete things.  Though, if you play it on the computer with the restored content mod, you can see just how much better the game is, as the mod fixes most of the issues.

Well, that would be an idea, too ;)
Twice so far I did it the hard way: Do every side-quest on Tarsis to gather experience, but do NOT click on the level up for my main char ;)
The advantage of this is that you can get several levels (six IIRC) in your selected Jedi class immediately after choosing it.

PS: Yes, even the arena duels; defeating Bendak Starkiller requires a lot of retries, luck and grenades ;)

Don't forget a good shield for Bendak.  That's a tough fight either way.  Personally, I don't worry about it.  I just do everything on Taris and level up as intended.  I usually have enough Force abilities later in the game to suffice.  In the second game, meanwhile, you will have massive Force power no matter what you do (or don't do) throughout the game.

Been a while since I've played, but let me give you an idea of how much I like it.

I almost never play games through to the end. Either I lose interest, or it just doesn't happen, or I spend all my time roaming around open worlds doing the little quests everywhere and never finishing the main (yep, done this many times across various Elderscrolls). It's a very large achievement for me to finish a game, one of the few others are Halo 1-3.

In saying that, I've finished KOTOR I and II a few times over (and on other occasions almost to the end, and other occasions part way through. I don't get so much time for gaming these days and if I've gone too long since playing I prefer to restart). I love the story, I love the characters, I love the worlds. I love that you need certain characters with you on certain quests. I love that your actions and interactions affect things. It can be a pain in the butt sometimes running back and forth completing missions since there's no quick travel but at the same time I also love that about the game. You cant 'cheat', you just gotta leg it. Yes it can be tedious, but I love the fact there are soooo many hours of gameplay- not like a modern game where the storyline lasts 4-8 hours and you are done... Until/ if they release more DLC gameplay. Yes its buggy, especially on Tatooine. Just settle in and wait while the computer/ console eventually catches up and let's you do the next few seconds of combat with the Sand People ::) . Personally I've always played it on Xbox, my steam copies I had a decade ago were so buggy all they did was crash, and it runs better than most Xbox original games on the 360.

I love all the side missions, all the little quests, the lore it adds to the SW EU. Best general advice, talk to anyone you can, and search and loot everything- which is what I love doing, yes I'm one of those strange people. My specialty in ES Morrowind is taking every little item that I can manage without getting caught :P not so much for the money but because I find it amusing to strip every building bare, mark and recall spells were my best friends :D (PS yes it is incredibly fun putting buckets on people's heads in Skyrim to steal stuff while they are watching became you are no longer considered in their line of sight!) so I tend to go nuts looting in most games if it's available, and it's a good tactic in KOTOR. You find side quests, bonuses and answers/ quest items that way. Also explore everything. I'm sure some people find that stuff boring, but I love that tedious stuff. From memory in KOTOR I choosing Dark or Light as opposed to grey was more advantageous in terms of powers, it really did affect them (eg lightning when you were a lightsider was more expensive to use and less effective but Light side powers were really strong and effective) whereas in KOTOR II they dumbed that down. Towards the end of the second all you did was walk into a room, use the Force Storm ability, everyone dies, on to the next room to repeat regardless of your alignment. Fun at first, but it gets a bit boring and overpowered after a while.

Also... I love the Ebon Hawk. I've got a soft spot for smuggler freighters, and I love it when you can run around your ship and interact with characters.

The KOTOR games are fantastic, but I'll admit that they can be a bit rough to start.  Both have somewhat tedious introductions, but once you get off Taris... everything is going to get really interesting, believe me!  There's a ton of awesome experiences in that game, as well as twists, so I think you'll find those entertaining.

I guess I should try playing again. It's trying to find that rakghoul serum thing that finally made me stop.

Finding that serum is a big pain in the butt.

It's my first time playing, so even more so for me. Progress has been made, I got the Sith armour and I quit standing in front of the open elevator to the lower city.

I started playing it last Christmas, and haven't played it since. However, what I did play of it seemed pretty fun. The only problem I had with it was that I would randomly get stuck, and my character could not move. The only way to get unstuck was to switch to the assisting character and continue on with the game. Is this normal?

Once you get into the Undercity, loot everything you find down there.  You will eventually come across the serum.


Nope, that's not normal at all.  On what system are you playing?  (IE: XBOX, PC, mobile)

I always take everything I find.  8)

It wasn't unusual for bugs to happen like that.

I was playing it on a computer, that might have something to do with it.

I'm playing on my iPad, no problems so far. But I've never had a problem with it, so it's no surprise for me.

I didn't know they made it for the ipad.

Not only iPad, any Apple device. I'm not sure if it's available on other mobile OS's.

It was $13.99, $15.81 including tax.

Hmm... I'll have to think about it, but I'm not sure that my ipad would run it, it is a 2.

Just to make sure, it's just an older iPad 2, not an Air 2? And what version of iOS is it running?

Well, looking at the (iOS) requirements, it should work:
http://www.aspyr.com/games/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-mobile
    Hardware: iPad 2, iPad mini, iPhone 4s, iPod touch 5 or newer (NOTE: THE GAME WILL NOT RUN ON EARLIER DEVICES!)
    OS version: iOS 6 or newer

Btw, there is Aspyr is holding a survey to find out whether people are interested in KOTOR 2 on iOS/Android ;) :
http://www.aspyr.com/games/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-ii-the-sith-lords

I have it on my Kindle Fire.  Though, I also have it for the XBOX and computer.  The second one for mobile would be pretty awesome, though I don't think my Kindle Fire has room for both.  It may, it has 16GB internal memory and it automatically sends most stuff to the micro SD card.  Though, I'd only want to play it with the restored content mod.  I'm not going back.  ;)

@Taegin Roan: The Windows version is the buggiest, though I can't say I've ever had that to where it keeps happening.  Though, the most modern version of Windows I've ever played on is Win7, and I understand from the Steam forums that the game has even more issues on 8 and 10.

That is probably why, the computer had Win8 at the time, and now has Win10, as well as it was played from Steam. Once I got to the planet, it happened a lot less, but still occasionally would. It was probably just becuase I was playing it on the Win8 computer. I don't think it is still downloaded on there, but I will have to look into playing it again. Or maybe on my ipad.

The mobile version is really solid.  Aspyr did a great job on the port.

Indeed. Please get the second one for iOS!

The slow intros to both of them are the only things that have stopped me from replaying it sometimes. Even so, I've played them both a few times all the way through. Not terribly heavy on action but the characters and lore were just fantastic. The whole Old Republic era with KOTOR and SWTOR I just love. I also have a bad habit of imagining entirely separate stories every time I play any of those games.

Might pick them both up again on PC (had them on xbox originally) but heard they were really buggy on PC.

On Windows, yes.  Especially Windows 10, or so I've read on the Steam forums.  However, the second one runs smooth as silk on Linux.  It's a shame the first one isn't available for Linux.

That is a shame only have a windows 10 machine

You could try the Steam discussions about the games and see if there are any Win10 fixes.  People on there are often good at workarounds.

NGL The first part of Taris is one of the best conversation places if you're female XD . Issue for a lot of people with KOTOR is that it's plot driven with lots of questing and puzzle challenges as opposed to action and combat based. Turn-base system forces a different type of combat strategy (personally I prefer it because I can control all of the actions of every character if I choose to in combat).

Teasing Carth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBRFCv_VMdg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBRFCv_VMdg)

What does this play best on?

I recently played through both games on Xbox one, they were released back in May as backwards compatible or as digital downloads from the store.  I’d say that’s probably the best way.  They’re straight ports, no upscaling. 

Another option would be the mobile version which is not bad at all.  The touch sceen controls work well and on a tablet it can be pretty fun to have on the go!

I’d just avoid the PC version at all costs unless you’re certain you can run it.  It’s never worked right for me on any of my computers.

I'll look into it on xbox one

I personally play PC or Mobile, but PC is preferrred. I feel like it has the most control in playing. Mobile is convenient and easy to record though, but drains battery fast. For some reason most screen recording programs don’t work well with KOTOR specifically. It’s an EXCELLENT game though, especially if you prefer plot driven and strategy to combat driven.

I purchased the Knights of the Old Republic for $9.99 well $10.79 after tax, it's 80.5% installed lol

Yeah, I was going to suggest XBOX One, but Sam beat me to it. The PC version can be very finicky about graphics cards. On Nvidia, it has a bad habit of minimizing when cut scenes play, along with other issues. On my Radeon RX580, the grass doesn't display properly. It looks and plays beautifully on the XBOX One. The mobile port is a bit of a pill due to the on screen controls.

My sister is testing it out first

Oh man. KoTOR. I remember my original play through on the Xbox, and saving up my allowance to buy KoTOR 2 lol. Good times. I've played through both of these games multiple times, as recently as this year.

They're not for everyone, and that's okay. I personally get super bored with mostly combat games. I hate grinding for experience, and I hate getting killed every ten minutes. I really like games that have a story line (Mass Effect, KoTOR, etc etc). So if you know you're a die hard action/FPS type, KoTOR may just not be your thing.

Taris does suck. I've definitely stopped a game out of annoyance that I couldn't skip Taris, and I believe I got stuck there on my first playthrough and almost never completed the game. In the same spot, actually. Trying to get into the undercity for the serum mission.

KoTOR and KoTOR 2 kind of set the bar for me in terms of what a good RPG could do, and that's why I keep coming back.

I found Taris more fun on my female playthrough, just because you can already start teasing Carth at that point. You spend most of Taris trying to rescue Bastila, so not much opportunity for teasing/romancing as a dude. If you really get into the RP aspect, Taris has a lot to offer. Planet I personally like the least is actually Tattooine. I feel that (other than the swoop racing) it finishes way too fast (discluding the extra companion missions for Canderous and Mission, since Bastila’s goes along with the main quest anyway, and discluding the box).

I will say though.... open the box. No other context to this statement. You will know which box I am talking about when the time comes. Just.... do yourself a favor and open the box.

I usually play through female first, so I do know what you mean. Me finding Taris tedious now, in fairness, is not a good indication of how I felt 10+ years ago on my first playthrough. I do remember having to restart the whole game because I somehow ended up stuck in the elevator down to the lower city, which probably forever soured me to Taris lol.

Ooof..... yeah, that’ll do it for you. I had something similar happen to me in the Kinrath cave in Dantooine in my current mobile play through (I think I got it on film too!!!). I ended up somehow running up a stilagmite and getting stuck in the ceiling. Luckily I could switch to a companion character and “Gwen” came back down lol

Taris isn't bad. I really don't like Manan, mostly because the Selkath speech drives me nuts. I don't know what it is about it, but it just irritates me. Plus, they annoy me as a species with their so-called neutrality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=1-bCIA_vyVc

Funny, but not at all like Manan. (and, yes, I've seen that episode) I don't want to give too much away, but for a neutral planet there's a marked lack of neutrality.

Ewwww nah, Manaan had too much politics. Screw Manan. I think Korriban was probably the most fun, actually XD Go figure...

I've changed my mind. Kashyyyk is awful for making you have to be in the Czerka outpost whenever you want to change party members XD Going all the way back up from the shadow lands now to grab Bastila so she can be in my party for the star map. Damned research >.< Kashyyyk is an important map too since you actually have to interact with it like Dantooine... Korriban is still Best planet. And Dustil is there. Yay Dulstil. Carth is happy now!

I love Korriban. I always save it for last because well... ;).

Yeah, Kashyyyk will steal your soul with its lack of quick travel. ::) Still, the Shadowlands are a lot of fun.

I think my favorite planet is probably Dantooine. Good times to be had on Dantooine. (it sucks in the sequel, though)

Dantooine is pretty fun too.... but you get the Box in Korriban. Dantooine has nothing on the box. just call me Pandora

I'm on Taris, and I think I have a date with some sith lady...

Eh, the Sith dude is a higher rank ;)

One date is bad enough!

It’s a crazy party though.... and they’re just doing their job. They’re not happy about the quarantine either


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Met her in a cantina, right? It's not that bad, and it's essential to getting your primary mission done. Though, if you don't pick that up in the cantina, there are other ways of doing it. ;)

There’s always more than one way to skin a.... thing that you can skin. But not a cat.... let’s say a bantha. There’s more than one day to skin a bantha...

Banthas are ugly, so we'll go with that. ;)

I have a Wookie now

Zalbaar! Just don't forget him somewhere ;)

How do you get past the rancor?

Either brute force with a lot of grenades and mines and junk or stealth. I personally prefer the stealth route. It has more of Revan's finesse

If you don't have stealth capabilities yourself, send Mission (the Twi'lek) and go to the pile of corpses. leave the grenades in the corpse and give it the pheromones you pick up off of the severed bith arm. Pheromones will attract the rancor, it will consume the grenades and blow up from the inside.

All of this I believe is in the datapad that you pick up off of the same severed arm

You should have found a severed arm from a Bek (ewwww) that was holding a dadapad. That pad holds clues to that. It's in your inventory.

Thanks.

As much as it sucks... you should really take the time to read the data pads. They often have EXTREMELY useful clues to completing puzzles and getting past specific areas.

Sage like advice.

Though, you can pretty much skip the one with Calo Nord's kills on it when you find that one. ::)

FML I already got Bacca's Blade. Now I have to go through the Wookiee nonsense before I can grab Bastila to have her present at the Star Map...

Y'all are making me want to play this game. I don't have time to though. >:( I love the fact that I know who all the characters you are talking about are (due to SW:GoH) :D

MUAHAHAHAHAHA! Finishing the Wookies means I can change my party members >:] Come on, Bastila. Let's go get a Sar Map... and get me some Dark Side points to balance out all of these light ones  in a row. Time for an unknown memory lapse....

You can get it on steam or in the mobile app store for $9.99. I'm currently playing on my phone because I need to record and it's the easiest method of doing so

Ha! I guess you let the Wookiees win. Even when I played the game Dark Side, I could never stand the Czerka, so I side with the Wookiees.

I don't even know these Czerka, I just like Wookiees!

Yeah, and now there's way too much blue shiny >.>

I know. I have too many other games to play. Not to mention books and movies (and school and Christmas shopping etc.). I actually started playing it 2 or three Christmases ago, but my playing it only lasted till Christmas was over.  :D I'd love to get into it sometime though.

Other games can wait ;)

Found Bastila  :)

dat bith... Huzzah! You're one step closer to ditching Taris!

Got my Lightsaber  :)

Great to see everyone reliving or newly experiencing this great game!

My Advice - Open the Box, Pet the Gizka, and go to Korriban LAST - much more atmospheric to go there after...stuff....

Yay! Which Route did you go? Guardian, Consular, or Sentinel?

FUN FACT: The role of Jedi Sentinel was invented first for KOTOR and adopted into canon after. #SentinelIsBestClass


ALL OF THIS! The box is the best, but the Gizka are great too... and Korriban there's SO MUCH amazing extra stuff if you wait for last. Hence why I'm struggling through my research play of not taking Carth near any landing areas until after the Leviathan XD

I went with Guardian just to match my own savior lol, though I did consider Sentinel.

Guardian is nice if you want to focus on a heavy combat-based approach to the game. It's a good starter class. Plus, you can always change your saber color later with different crystals you find. I believe the colors are blue, yellow, green, cyan, viridian, purple, red, orange, and silver.... but that might be including some of the KOTOR II colors. I forget which ones were added in the second.

Even SWTOR which is free? ;)

KOTOR > SWTOR



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Maybe so, but SWTOR is free, and I already have it downloaded.

*shrug* suit yourself. Just know they are quite different games.


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If it ever comes on sale on Steam again, I may grab it. Or I may grab it just because. We'll see.

I got KotOR for $10.79 [that's tax included] on xbox.

Price across all platforms is around $10 ($9.99 on Steam and also in the app Store and Google Play). Second one is also $9.99 on Steam, but isn't available on Moble as far as I am aware. No idea about how XBox purchases work, since I don't own the platform.

I'd get them on my computer if I ever decide to get them. I'll have to make sure I keep an eye out on Black Friday and Cyber Monday.

Worth it

KOTOR is great but, if you're really enjoying SWTOR, it makes sense to stick to that for the immediate future. Like you say, it's free. Star Wars games are often included in the big Steam sales. The Autumn sale starts on the 22nd, so it's nearly upon us. There's also GOG (Good old games) that has the SW PC collection. If they don't come up before them, there's always a big Star Wars sale for games across multiple platforms for May the 4th.

This is true. They Might have a package including some of the other games like KOTOR II or Jedi Academy

Yeah, both Steam and GOG will do those bundles. GOG should also have a big sale coming up.

Bleeeh, swoop racing is near impossible mobile >.<

Hi Everybody,

I don't know if this is of any use or interest but I remember a site that offered computer game downloads at cheap prices and they also made donations to a charity of your choice (allegedly, I don't know as I'm not subscribed). But I do know they had bundles of games such as the Star Wars X-Wing/Tie series etc.

The site is HumbleBundle.com and they have had two packs of SW games  that I know of (again, not sure if they are available at this moment but the second pack is shown) Might be worth taking a look at.

Seems at least worth checking into the legitemacy of the site... Thank you for the information, For :)

I don't remember having an issue with it. I made it as far as Tatooine on mobile, so I know I got past it.

Hi again, I just had another careful look around the site and they seemed to have around 40 packs/titles including the Jedi Academy games Rogue Squadron etc and KOTOR!

A few mates I know on a gaming site said they had purchased so I think it's legit (I was just unsure as I have never been able to use these DLC style sites like Steam etc)

Drift seems a lot more difficult to control then in the PC version. Probably just not used to the lack of buttons still >.<

Cool! I'll definitely check it out then. I was forced into Steam when I got my Occulus because Skyrim VR wasn't available in a physical copy. Granted, after getting it, I can't play it for longer than 5 minutes unless I have my accupressure bands on beause it makes me so motion sick :P  It ended up good though, because it's saved me having to get an external drive to run a lot of my old PC games like KOTOR (new laptop doesn't have a Disc drive :( )

I would have tried the site out myself a few years back but I kept my laptop for designing and running my software synthesizer collection (I am more of a keyboard player than I am  a game player) I only got interested in games again since I joined this forum ironically.

You'll have to let me know what you find and how you get on.

They have a LOT of the Jedi Knight games (more than steam) but I haven’t checked if you can get them individually. I found them in a package with 14 games, and I while the price is good for all 14.... I already have about 6 of them, so it’s not really worth it for me :(

They also have all of the LEGO Star Wars games. Never was into those myself, but my youngest brother loves them. He made his first pun while playing LEGO Star Wars :

Me: *bakes a pie*
Brother at 3: I want somethin’ Pie!
Me: You want somethin’ pie?
Brother at 3: *playing LEGO Star Wars and indicating to the screen* yeah, I use the Forks!

Needless to say, I gave him the pie.

Hello Lady Revan,

That's ok, I just recalled hearing about this site a couple of years ago and thought it might be of interest/use to some. As you get old like me this sort of information and stuff tends to accumulate!

And I never thought of little Siths having a sense of humour! He'll be doing comedy tours of Sith Florida before you know it.

p.s. is Sith Florida like Sarf Afrikkaa? (South Africa)

I was going to say that perhaps he's a Jedi, not a Sith... but he's definitely Sith. Either that or a really creepy Jedi. He likes to watch people sleeping and revels in being creepy. I frequently will walk up to people in the house, start petting them and declare "I'm petting you..."

....On second thought, He's definitely a Sith. Possibly Emperor material *shudders at the thought.* Maybe getting him his first lightsaber (technically second because I got him a toy one last year) for Christmas was a mistake...

He's not in Sith Florida though. All of the fam is scattered, and most are Jedi. They avoid Sith Florida when they can...

As to it being like Sarf Africa... I wouldn't know. Never been. It's possible, I suppose, but Sarf Africa is further from the equator, so I'mma go with probably not.

On the note of the site, it seems very good. When I have more time/Money, I may check about some of the other Jedi Knight games. I've liked the ones I've played (especially Jedi Academy), but they tend to be shorter than, say, KOTOR or KOTOR II (I can finish Jedi Academy in a Week on "Master" level if I have a mouse).

Well I'm glad I could alert you all to the site. I'm just slightly confused now...does your brother go round "petting" people or do you do that?  ;D  (I may have to be careful if I ever come to visit you!)

He does the petting. The "I " was quoting him.

Ah Ok understood. A lost in translation moment.

I don't know if it's due to back playing it on xbox one or bad luck but I've had files break twice now, and had to go back to a earlier save and do some stuff over, this most recent issue involves a sith lady on Dantooine.

It might be you chose the wrong save. Make sure to  check the play time on the save file to make sure it’s the most recent. ScifiDude, do you know of any issues of this sort with the Xbox version?

Well in this case the failure is that one of the files fails to load, the first time it was a manual save file that wasn't working so I had to go back to the last auto save, this second time the auto save file will not load, so I'll likely have to go back to my last manual save, it's not a major set back, but it is still quite annoying.

That’s probably an Xbox issue. Never had that issue before on PC

grr, will have to save more often on top of quite often as it was.

Sorry to hear about that :( hopefully the issue will sort itself out. Word of advice though, don’t save and exit inside of the sand people village on Tattooine if you’re going for the peaceful route. Lots of times it will bug when you come back in and they’ll start attacking.


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Sand people...but I'm a Jawa fan, not sure if that has anything to do with that, but lol

Hi Kazuto,

I know this might be obvious but how are the two files named? I know situations where file names can be the same when someone saves the manual save as "GameSave01" and then the computer or console also saves the Autosave as "GameSave01" because of the way the system allocates save slots.

In other words, do the two save files have distinct different names?

Sand?...it's coarse....it's irritating.....and it gets everywhere! ;D

It does.... but that will make more sense when you’re on Tattooine. Tattooine is best as one of the early planets, especially if you’re playing a male character, since Bastila’s side quest is there


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It's either bad luck or something specific to your unit, because I have no issues playing and loading files on the XBOX One.


Yes, manually save often. It will save you headaches later. It's not a fun time when you think you're doing great and you haven't moved between areas where it autosaves in a while. Then, you hit a tough group of enemies, or your defensive rolls aren't quite as good as they could be, or you use wrong tactics, or something. Either way, you die and have to go way back to a much earlier autosave.  ::)

"Better paranoid than dead!" -my motto always

No option to name the files, just auto save and whatever slot the manual is in.

Hi Kazuto,

Ok, just thought I would suggest it as duplicating file names is an easy mistake to make (and I have lost data in this way when I worked in a recording studio and my band mate did this to a song recording we had just spent 14 hours laying down!)

Just keep hitting the manual save key every 5-10 mins!
point incoming.

PC version gives the option to name, but Mobile and (it would seem) Xbox do not.

I appreciate the thought and the point, so one for you too.

Also at thy Lady Revan, I am doing the Male path, so look forward to Sand planet 1.0 lol

Best to get Tattooine out of the way early on then, so the Bastila romance line doesn't get interrupted. Don't worry about getting her quest at the spaceport, because you complete it by default when you do the quests to get the star map there. Just make sure to visit the cantina before and after you head out so you don't miss any parts.

Noted, though I'm on Dantooine right now still as I haven't gone on since the last load fail.

I would recommend Tattooine as either your first or second stop then, with Kashyyyk being the other. Kansan is best when you’ve finished Kashyyyk because a companion you get there has a Manaan side quest. You will likely have to re-visit Tattooine later (after the star map) for 3 other side quests though. Save Korriban for last. There’s extra content if you do


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Thanks for the tips :)

My pleasure! Technically speaking you can do the planets in any order, but some just work better than others.


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I've only just restarted playing this game but I'll be sure to check here if I have any questions  :D


"It's not paranoia if there really out to get you" Harold Finch (Person of Interest)  ;D

Happy to help! If I can’t answer your questions, ScifiDude probably can. We’ve both had more than our fair share of playthroughs, it would seem.

And so true!


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Hey everyone. I downloaded KOTOR I and II several months ago and just started the other day. I played I when it first came out and owned II but never got to it somehow. Just wanted to say hello to my fellow KOTOR fans. I may be dropping by here and there. :)

I need to get into this game

EEEEEEEEEY!

KotOR II  when it was released first had a lot of missing content that broke the plot line in many parts. Play this time through with the restored content  mod and it will make a HUGE difference.

Do you know if the restored content is available for a Mac? I've never actually played anything else on a computer. I've always played consoles.

Not sure, but likely. Do you have the game from steam or from somewhere else?

I just got it from the app store. I'll look into it the restored content. If it's out there for Mac I'm sure I can find it. :)

Wasn’t aware KOTOR II was in the App Store. I’ll have to check out if it’s compatible with iPhone. Would save a lot of headaches from my research playthrough of the 2nd game if it is.


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You're in luck! It is compatible with iPhone.

WHOOT! Guess I’m downloading when I get paid next week. I’m currently looking for the 4th star map in my research play of the 1st game


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WHOOT! Guess I’m downloading when I get paid next week. I’m currently looking for the 4th star map in my research play of the 1st game


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So the second one is in the App store, but It's showing it's only available on Mac and not iPhone :( There's been a push to release it for Mobile from what I can tell, but no development that I've been able to find... Maybe the second one will record better than the 1st on my laptop. Recording system I use on my laptop onl records sound with a black screen for original KOTOR.

I have completed my jedi trials, also for funzies I changed Bastila's saber color to blue so we'd match lol.

Cute! Bastila and I had default matching to begin with, because #SentinelSisters.... Oh my gosh, that was awful. Remind me to never say that again *shudders*

lol

My mistake. It's only the first one that's available on iPhone. Sorry to get you so exited.

Nah, you’re good. It’s the same developer, so there’s really no reason why they shouldn’t both be available. They may have already incorporated TSLRCM (the restored content mod) in the Mac version, judging from the ratings. Game is pretty broken without it. There’s some parts (like the disciples holocrons side quest for female characters) that still haven’t been restored over 10 years later. Sadly, that part might never be fully restored, so disciple will always remain lamest companion who had potential to be interesting but wasn’t


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If you use darkside powers does that give you darkside points?

No, but it costs more Force energy to use dark side powers if you are more aligned with the light.

If you’re trying to get dark side points fast, the easiest way is to kill a bunch of Gizka without poison

If you have Force persuasion powers and you want Dark Side points, you can do some really messed up stuff on Tatooine. You can get massive DS points messing with people in the hunting lodge and cantina. The first time I played, I was so Dark Side. I found out I could do these things and relished in it. (ah, my Dark Side younger days ;) )

Kashyyyk gives a lot of opportunity too... but much of that involves actions you’re not likely to approve of against the Wookiees... but you also have the computer there to help

Was just curious about shocking enemies lol.

Don’t worry, you can still shock droids with the light side. “Disable droid” and “destroy droid” are pretty much Sith lightning... just without using it on organic meatbags


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One great thing about this game and the sequel is that you can use whatever powers you want, unlike SWTOR. For the longest time, I'd always used Force Lightning (I think the highest level is an actual lightning storm) even for my Light Side characters. Yes, there's a penalty, but I didn't care. I've also used healing powers a lot as a Dark Side character.

Jedi do get their own “lightning” and Sith their own “heal” but they’re a bit different. What ScifiDude says is true though. Powers themselves are not inherently light or good and can be used by either side (albeit with the aforementioned penalty)

Czerka Corp wants a docking fee, yuck

On some planets, you can persuade them to wave the fee. On some, you need the powers of Force persuasion (be prepared for lectures from certain party members) but on others you can use other means.

Persuade is a useful skill. I haven’t paid a docking fee yet, and have only used minimal bribes on murder witnesses on Manaan

I got HK-47

I like to use Force persuasion on that one. That's also the only planet where it's not a one time fee. You have to pay every time you dock there. ::)

Yup. Manaan sucks. Can’t wait to get off of this fish planet.


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MAH BRO HK! BEST DROID IN THE GALAXY! I hope you’ve invested points in repair


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Will he die otherwise?

Nope, but he may kill less.... and that would sadden him greatly. Plus, you won't discover the stories of all of his past meatbag masters. It's quite amusing to hear of each of their various terminations.

Funzies

All the funzies! HK is one of my favorite characters from both games


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Calo Nord is deadzie

Ding Dong the witch is dead!!!! Don’t forget to loot him. He has great armor.

I did, gave it to Carth lol

Me too! Lol. If you started as a soldier, you can wear it yourself though


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Personally though, I like the blue robes


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That's what I'm wearing :O

Because they’re the coolest robes. Best thing to come out of Nemo’s death

Something like that lol, So how do you get rid of the Gizka or am I stuck with them?

There’s a guy on Manaan who will take them. Or you can kill them with Gizka poison. Or you can kill them by hand for dark side points... or you can keep them as pets 🐱

On Manaan you have to pay the guy unless your pursuance is high enough though. HAVE YOU PET THEM YET!? 8D play peek-a-boo!


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I've noticed the way Kashyyyk is pronounced varies.

Like Taris.


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OH! Also, Make sure you finish all of your Bastila romancing before you leave the planet after finding the 4th Star Map. Everything changes after then...

Zaalbar's brother is a jerk.

I think Jerk is an understatement, all things considered.

Which path let's me get rid of him and the Czerh people?

There's more than one. You can either outright side with their Dad and with Zalbaar, or you can suggest they talk it out and then brother gets angry and attacks.

Works for me.

I'm assuming you want the light side route. lol Either of the aforementioned options are possible for this

I go with what feels right.

So mostly light side then :)

Most of the time, I did threaten the guy to get the price of HK down to 2500 lol. And my team is complete

You cut yourself off from his store when you do... But honestly HK is the only thing he has worth buying anyway xD

My current run through I'm trying to keep mostly gray buy leaning light... that's difficult at this point though, when most of the decisions give far more alignment points than I can balance well...  Gosh darned research playthroughs making things more complicatedly specific than they need to be....

Well I got the Starmap on Dantooine, Tatooine and Kashyyyk

Are you headed to Manaan next or Korriban?

Probably Manaan as you suggested saving Korriban for last, but I need to wrap up things on Kashyyyk first.

Also make sure you wrap up anything on Dantooine before the 4th map...

Aye Aye my Lady  8)

buhuhuh... Manaaaaaaaaaaaaan...... Time to go raid another Sith base...

The Wookie Revolution was marvelous  ;D

Isn't it? Always the best strategy: Let the Wookiee Win

Well they finally kissed lol

You and Bastila? Ewwww... :P

No it was T3-M4 and HK-47, it was really awkward.

BAHAHAHAHAHA! Point for Sarcasm. On that note, it should open up some pretty interesting dialogue for HK... which also reminds me that he's due for repairs. Time to hear about how another Master was terminated

Couldn't resist, and I got to build my repair skills.

Fudge... Need more repair still >.< So close. Only one more master from repairs....

Any tips on the sith code, or should I just raid the base?

On Manaan? I Know the Answers... Most are relative;y simple... Most difficult is the 4th... Others should be straight forward, including the 5th.  Don't overthink it.

That being said, you achieve the same results all 3 ways of entry... so ultimately it doesn't matter what you do. I like to do all 3 for experience and funzies

Yeah, I've done them all too. Lots of fun. Though, I think interrogating the prisoner is the most annoying.

Autumn sale on Steam, both KOTOR games are on sale for $3.49 a piece. The Black Friday sale on GOG has them for the same price.

Fun fact! It’s possible to interrogate him without objecting anything if you’re persuasive enough. I Videoed it for this research play through.

I think I'm going to have to do two separate research plays. Mobile version is bugging out with the Dustil Quest... Need it to trigger before I leave Manaan. It *should* still work after the 4th Star map as long as I haven't taken off, but it's being stupid... :( Dustil needs to be in the fic....

There you have it! $3.49. Get while the Gettin's Good

Well it was like after 5 am, so my brain wasn't up for mathematics.

Would have also helped had a I read the screen  :-X

Fair. I hadn’t realized the time lol

Conquered the base  ;D

Yaaaaaas. Don’t let the fish face represent you. That’s a great way to get killed

I found that out the hard way before I fully explored the base on a second go around and found them missing Sleks, second time he wandered off after I showed him the datapad, then I showed the judges the token and freedom.

Yup. Selkath make horrible arbitors

Being underwater was painfully slow, and I feel being in space will be equally as painful

How many times have you had to do space battles after leaving a planet so far (other than Taris BC that one is unavoidable)

Like three, I meant the walk in space to get to the Leviathan Bridge, it might have been short, but slow as all hell. Also old metal jaw is lucky I am clearly not at full power with the force.

LOL sounds like someone has been binge playing in the last day

Little bit, and is everyones brother in this game a jerk, jeez Missions brother, slimeball.

Don't forget mother

Bastillas?

yeah... Your responses to her questions determines her level of jerk...

They patched it up some how, best bar ever "the drunk side"

XDDDD

Also with all this Dark Lord talk I am reminded of my own joke that Voldemort wanted to be Vader.

Oh? How does this joke go?

Well you take that Harry was raised by Muggles, so he likely seen Star Wars, so when he heard Voldemort being called the Dark Lord, if he wanted to be a smart ass, which honestly he should be given all the mental shell in his life, could be like "who do you bloody think you are Darth Vader, get over you're self"

LOLOLOL Point XD

I need to let the phone charge again :( Guess I'll have to do a separate recorded play through for Dustil. Couldn't get the dude to come, so I just left for the Leviathan instead. *le sigh* At least Carth loves Gwen Revan T^T

I reluctantly cave you a point too Revy  ;)

LOL thanks. How is Korriban so far? Have you found the box yet? Remember to ALWAYS open the box. Be Pandora. You won't regret it.... Just save first XD Just in case...

I've opened many tombs, which box? For T3-M4 is the true master tomb raider.

You get the box in the spaceport, I believe from a Rhodian. It will be on the Hawk in the cargo hold. He'll ask you to deliver it to a Hutt on Tattooine

The Spice guy? I might have turned that down.

NUUUUU Go back and say yes! It's great! I promise!!!!

I may have to start a new game, abandon my Light Side run, because I'm feeling a Dark Side run coming on. I may start with a nice, manipulative smuggler. Then go Jedi Guardian with him, make him awesome with a blade. I probably won't go full on Dark Side at first, but have enough DS decisions to keep me at least in the gray, hovering over the abyss. Besides, I'm waiting for something to download on my XBOX One, which is taking forever due to the time of day, holiday weekend and massive sale going on in the digital store. So, I need a diversion.

#switchingupgameplay

The Dustil quest issue is really bothering me. It’s a crucial element to my research run and I’ve never had this issue before. Ironically, I was able to complete Juhani’s quest without the usual bugs, so I’m wondering if the bugged quest is different on mobile... can anyone who has played the mobile version and attempted Carth’s side quest confirm this for me?

Yeah, it's been a long while since I've gone Dark Side in the game. I'll antagonize Carth until he no longer speaks to me. No Dustil quest when you do that. :P I also haven't decided if Juhani is surviving past Dantooine. Depends how the mood strikes me. ;)

Sorry, not playing on mobile, so I don't know what the bugs are.

Goodness! you're going all-on dark lol

Meanwhile I'm running around Korriban telling everyone that I'm Darth Revan. Even changed my crystal colors and armor for the occasion. Got Bandon's fibremesh on currently.

Guess I'll do another run through and try to trigger the quest after completing all of the 3rd star map dialogues (still completes the Romance, but leaves more wiggle room for the blasted Dustil quest...). I'd wanted to also complete the optional final dialogue with the kinky blaster convo... but I suppose I'll just combine the two runthroughs for the final product. That way Gwen is still Revan when they look for Dustil

The first time I played the game, I never knew why I didn't pick up a companion. I had a missing picture through the whole thing. I found out on a subsequent play through that I was supposed to save Juhani, not kill her. Oops. They said "cleanse the taint from the grove," they weren't specific as to how to do this. :P In other DS play throughs, I've saved her so she could accompany me and I could have the pleasure of killing her later. After all, she's a pretty powerful Jedi Guardian. Also, you don't have to endure as many lectures by other Jedi if you don't kill her. :P (Bastilla's lectures if you're even a little Dark Side get shrill enough) Plus, there's her side quest, but with a level cap of 20, I only do all of the side quests if I'm in a 100% mood.

TBH, I never really use Juhani. I do save her though... Usually just for the optional Lesbian romance XD

Heh, I've heard about that. It's funny if you ask her if she's hitting on you as a dude. "I would never be attracted to one such as YOU!" Good times.

She does come in handy later in the game.

You should do a female playthrough to try to trigger it sometime. It's pretty subtle though. Confesses her love to you right before dark Bastila tries to turn you. Though she strongly hints it after the reveal if you speak to her and have already finished her side quests

Female light side is easiest to trigger with...

On the star forge about to win the game I think.

On that note, I just lost the game. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, good for you. It's better that way. If not.... ;) :P

Yeah, if you're on the Star Forge, you're nearly to the end. Good times to be had on the Star Forge. ;)

lol.
Malak is dead!

Ding dong the witch is dead!

Now the only question is: Did you kill him and save the galaxy or kill him and take his place?

But if you killed him to save the galaxy, did you also try to save him, is the followup question....

Saved the Galaxy He tried to blame me for his life, I said it was his own damn fault, he died.

You should do a Dark Side run sometime, it's a lot of fun. You can take control of the Star Forge and Malak's armies. If you're a dude and did the romance plot with her, Bastilla becomes your lover. Either way, she becomes your apprentice. It's really cool. But, the Light Side ending is cool too.

She still said she loved me on the light side win, and yeah I'm going to do another run with each remaining class, a lady scout and a male scoundrel. One of them will go full darkside at the end.

But is it? Plot twists....

Hey made his own choices!

but what influenced those choices?

In the canon version of the story, they were married and still remained Jedi. They said their love kept them from the Dark Side. The council considered banishing them, but Revan was so popular in the Republic that they knew that was a bad idea. So, they were allowed to remain, provided they didn't spread their message about love. It was also deemed that no further training was required for either, since they'd endured more in a short while than most Jedi did in their lifetime and proved that they were beyond anything a Master could teach them. Revan was even made a Jedi Master.

Fun fact: Satele Shan is the head of the Jedi Council in SWTOR. She's the descendant of Revan and Bastilla. She's also voiced by Jennifer Hale, who was both the voice and character's look inspiration for Bastilla.

How is the New Scoundrel playthrough coming along?

I'm slacking. I haven't even gotten to the Undercity sewers yet.

And Kazuto? The Scout?

The Scout lady is on Dantooine, my own Scoundral is still in the first part of Taris lol


I will now list everything I watched that Jennifer Hale was in.

Spider-Man: The Animated Series
Pinky and the Brain
Cow and Chicken
Dexter’s Laboratory
Batman Beyond
Rocket Power
The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy
Avatar: The Last Airbender "Kyoshi!!!"

Yeah, Jennifer Hale is a major voice actress. Lots of animation and game credits. Many of the voice actors in KOTOR are major players in the voice acting scene. I understand there's good money in it when you can get steady work. I've actually seen Raphael Sbarge (Carth) in some live action, most notably Star Trek: Voyager, but he's bigger in the voice acting scene.

I need to keep at Korriban. >.< Lashoe is hard to pursuance if you’re not a dude, but I need her for research D:


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It's been a while, but I think I was able to persuade her when I played as a female. I think you can stroke her ego, no matter what gender you are. What are your persuasion and charisma set at?

My Scout Lady is a Jedi Consular and my Scoundrel Guy is a Jedi Sentinel.

You can, it just takes a lot of repetition. I've succeeded in 2/3 steps for a while... but I don't want to give her a lead, so I need the lie to work too is the issue. Charisma is 14+2 and Persuade is 9+2 (Persuade needs some work, but I can still talk my way out of most things). I was beefing up repair for a while to deal with HK lol. I'm just a damned bad liar...

Yeah, you've got plenty of charisma, definitely need more persuasion. Lashoe can be tough to persuade even as a dude.

Believe my lies, dammit! XD

Finished some open quests to level up and now I'm at 12+2 Persuade. I'mma go try again... after I open the box >:]

The fluff abounds! T^T Sound got all wonky when I trimmed the clip though.

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHIunh3qTKo#)

No need to talk to Jolee about it, he already knew.  ;)

Yup! lol. That wrinkly old troll... ;)

"Oh, I get it. Let's play with the old man's head, is it? He's half-senile, he'll forget I said anything! Wait, uh, what was this about, anyway?"

I love that Jolee has snarky comments most places you go... but especially on Korriban. Jolee is necessity for any Korriban parties

Jolee is just awesome in general. He and Mission are two of my favorite companions, as far as good comments when you're talking to NPCs.

The others do have their moments, but these two are best.

I like Jolee and Carth's back and forth on Korriban with the guessing how many Sith there are XDD

"What is this? Some sort of a raffle?" XDDD

You want funny Carth? Dantooine, the quest "Missing Companion." He's got some good ones for that.

Carth is always with me on Dantooine! Gotta have all of the teasing options when they first come up XD

Carth: I just don't like to feel out of the loop
FemRev: You were born out of the loop
Carth: Cute. Any cuter and you could pass for a Gammorian's sister
FemRev: Better than a Gammorian's mother

XDDD

I like the quest I mentioned, if you go with the Dark Side option and have the droid go back to the woman. She goes on about how she's going to oil the droid and make sure it never leaves her again. Carth says something about never having felt sorry for a droid before. ;D

Yup XD

Also the Sendral/Matale dispute if you have Bastila and Carth together:

B: "Wow Carth! That interjection was very Jedi-like"
C: "What can I say? You pick up a few things."

Yeah, that's another good one.

gosh darned rancors. Why you so many?

Oh guys...the nostalgia reading all your progress is bringing...

What I wouldn't give for KOTOR 1 and 2 to be redone with modern graphics and system overhaul...maybe expanded story line some crafting options like in Horizon Zero dawn and combat like Assassins creed or Batman...that thing would sell sooooo many copies.....

I could go for updated graphics, though KOTOR holds up much better than a lot of games from 2003, by today's standards. By 2003 standards, the graphics are stunning, it was a visual treat for the eyes. I believe the XBOX was the only game console powerful enough and with a big enough disc to handle the game back in that time. The Gamecube had the power, but those lower capacity tiny discs, and the PS2 just wasn't as powerful. However, I woudn't want anything added to or taken away from the game play or story. It's designed to be the way it is, not like those other games.

KOTOR2 has a really good crafting system. In fact, it was that game that made me fall in love with crafting items in RPGs. And, with the Restored Content mod, it's quite a complete game these days.

I still think that a proper KOTOR III (where you could set and play as both Revan and the Exile) would sell great. Could be set for one or two players accordingly, and you could ideally import your Revan and Exile from the first two games.

Plus a more complete Restored content mod for 2 (there are some parts where things weren't skinned or voice acted, so they still haven't been added back, such as the holocrons quest or Dustil in the Korriban Cave), and a more accessible and complete restored content mod for the first game (not as much cut, but you still have the alternative Dark side female ending, plus other smaller things like the return of Deadeye Duncan that I would love to play through).

I forgot to record it and now I have to defeat Malak all over again in my research run... Dx

After that, I guess it's onto the Dustil run since quest wouldn't trigger this time through :/

Well, I got really distracted and have to start over. On my original and only play through, I started out as a soldier and went as far to the light as possible. I don't really remember the difference in classes. I'd like to do a full Darkside run this time. Any tips on class and skills?
Thanks.

Most of my runs are light side or greyish (I prefer to play by the RP aspect more than the gaming aspect). Whether I chose light or dark side though, first power was always heal. You do get a force cost penalty for using it on dark side (in combat dark side it's better to use drain life). Disadvantage to only having "drain life" as a dark sider is that you need something to drain life from in order to heal. "Force Wave" is great in the second game (it's a LS power there but universal in the first) but I can't say I've invested points in it in the first game enough to tell you if it's worth the time. Whirlwind (one before it) is nice though). Also be sure to get affect/dominate mind to get the added Force Pursuade option in certain conversations.

TBH, I found soldier the most boring starting class :P What type of attacker do you prefer to be? Are you 1) very much physical combat, 2) prefer to deal with ranged attacks and buffs, or 3) more strategic (a little of each but also using things like stealth, mines, and other traps)?

If 1, Soldier/Guardian is best for you

2, Either Scout/Consular or Scoundrel/Consular

3, Scoundrel/Sentinel or Scout/Sentinel or Scoundrel/Consular

Personally I prefer to start Scoundrel and then go either Sentinel or Consular because I like my stealth. Soldier and Guardian classes get old really quickly for me because everything ends up being about brute strength -_- Nice thing about soldier though is that you can wear heavier armors. Keep in mind that some force powers though are restricted by armor if you have on anything other than Jedi/Sith Robes

In terms of stills, it really depends on what you want to focus on. Sometimes you can use your companions to make up for the skills that you're weak with (like using Mission Vao to collect mines and open locks if you're not skilled in demolitions or security). Things you SHOULD invest in though if you want all the extra tidbits are persuade (for conversation options) and repair (for learning about all of HK-47's previous Masters... and how they were terminated). Security and computers are nice, but most of the time you can make up for those with one of your companions. Same with demolitions. Only bother investing in stealth if you plan on using it (requires a stealth generator), and have enough treat injury that you're not inept XD

Attribute points are going to vary depending on your class build. Keep in mind though that if you're walking to sweet talk your way through stuff with persuade or Force persuade, invest in Charisma.

Also keep in mind with your weapon feat builds whether you're wanting to do single wielding or dual wield or staff. Two weapons can do less damage if you're not built for it.

Just downloaded the Restored Content mod for KOTOR 1, so I'm going to start a new DS female playthrough now. I need my feels ending Dx

I wish they had the Steam Workshop for the first game, like they do for the second one. It makes installing mods a breeze on Steam. But, such is life.

I can link you where I downloaded if you want. Working on posting a youtube of the first difference I noticed, when you wake up on Taris. Carth mentions that you were "slipping in and out of consciouness for a few days" but in the mod you actually get to see bits of it :D also, Carth needs a Sith uniform too to get into the base >.> Just finished the quest for the second uniform

Only thing is I'm not sure how you would get it to work on Xbox. I have no idea how that works...

It's on Nexus Mods

Nexus Mods KOTOR 1 Restored Content Modification (https://www.nexusmods.com/kotor/mods/54/?tab=description)

Thanks Lady Rev! this should be helpful. :)

Waking up on Taris Restored Content

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGtsRO2HbM#)

My pleasure! Just started a new game myself to try out this restored content mod. Going DS Female to try the cut ending :D Scoundrel/Consular this time

Doubtful it will work at all. Console games weren't exactly known for modability back then. That's changed in the current console gen. Even the XBOX 360 and XBOX One just run the games in an XBOX emulator that's designed to work flawlessly on the more modern system. You can't even connect to XBOX Live in the game anymore to download updates for it. You're basically left playing the disc, which is still awesome.

Ewwww.... Sorry about that. How do you manage KOTOR II? It's like two different games entirely...

I don't have KOTOR II on the XBOX, I only have it for the computer. The Steam version has the Steam Workshop, you can easily install mods with the Workshop.

Aaaah, I assumed you had it on Xbox also. Yes, Steam workshop version of TSLRCM is super convenient. Wonder why they don't have the first RCM in there also. There's no mod section for the first game

Also, there's a whole extra level of the Vulcar base with spice labs and a bar. It was intense x_x I ran out of medpacks and had to rely on Carth getting lucky XD

Here's a nice overview of skills, feats, equipment etc:
https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic
I used it a lot to plan my last playthrough…

And for the curious: Have you ever tried playing a 'skillerific' Jedi ;) ?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/xbox/556553-star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic/faqs/44048

I only bought KOTOR for the XBOX because it's not Linux compatible. I was running a Linux-based operating system on my computer and not any version of Windows for a few years. KOTOR II was released for Linux, so I grabbed that, but I had no good way to play the first one because the DVD copy I have would only run in a tiny window using WINE, the Microsoft compatibility layer. So, I picked up an XBOX copy several years ago. Well, earlier this year I bought a new gaming computer with Windows 10 on it, so I dual boot that and Linux, which allows me to once again play Windows only games. That's pretty much all I use Windows for, plus for some other software, like the Obsidian software.

These are the copies of the games I own:

KOTOR: Windows (Star Wars Best of PC Collection), Windows (Steam), XBOX and Fire OS (Android based OS on my Kindle Fire)

KOTOR II: PC (multi CD version) and PC (Steam)

So, four copies of KOTOR and two copies of KOTOR II. Multiple play options. :)

Aaaaah okay. Well then, you’re welcome to attempt RCM fir the first. I’m using it with the Steam Version on Windows and it’s fully functional. Just did an entire extra level of of the Black Vulcar base. Turns out that random guy you let go was supposed to sweetens the deal (he also became human instead of Twi’lek). He let me into the spice lab. Hoping to try out that cut DS redemption ending. I’ve watched playthroughs of it but never done it myself. There are a few parts that weren’t specifically listed in the changes but I’m hoping are included (Deadeye Duncan on Manaan and Dustil’s extra lines if you’re female and have been romancing Carth). I’m reminded at this run, however, how difficult it is to be full dark side without just being totally classless (at least on Taris). “Darth Gwevan” is going to need time before she’s “Darth” lol

I can never go full Dark Side. There are some things where even a Sith would be like: Dude, really? Hell, even Canderous, a freaking mercenary warrior with a massive body count, objects to some DS decisions. Plus, I can never let Czerka win on Kashyyyk. I hate Czerka.

I forgot all about that. I forgot most of the game to be honest. I can't go full DS either now that I think about it.  
I guess I'll just play how I feel and probably end up dark grey. Whenever I've played these types of games I always stuck to what I figured the game wanted me to do to end up with a certain alignment (Boring, I know). It should be way more fun making the decisions I want to make. I guess I missed the point of that freedom with most RPG's.

By the way, not to move on to talking at length about another game here, but I'm curious if you guys also liked or played the Mass Effect games.  

My scout girl is so far on the dark path she has Revan body suit undies.

My preferred method of obtaining dark side points is empty threats, blackmail, bounty hunting, and assassinations. Technically speaking you can have gone full light side the entire game and still follow the dark side ending depending on how you deal with Bastila. Trouble with this dark side run.... is that I need Dustil to live because I still need my research and because Carth romance ends if he doesn't, which defeats the whole purpose of me attempting a DS female run for the cut end game DX

I swear you're the only person I know who goes around checking how character underwear changes on each planet XD

It wasn't each planet :P

You sure about that?

Quite :P

Bad idea. You wind up gray. You get massive DS or LS points for that part, but not enough to completely flip your alignment. I did that once. I was full LS and decided to side with Bastilla on the temple roof. I wound up gray and couldn't wear the robes I picked up on the Star Forge or any other good Jedi/Sith robes, as they all require either light or dark alignment. Even killing the good Rataka and thinning your own group doesn't get you enough DS points.

Never said it was a practical idea. Just a technically possible one lol. I'm super excited for this new ending though!

Somehow I managed not to find Bastila's lightsaber, so she's currently dual wielding glowsticks (restored content from promised land searchers). They do crap for DPS, but it's the closest thing I have to lightsaber, so it will have to do XD. Also, THERE'S A HUTT ON DANTOOINE! Its name is Schuma. Schuma the Hutt. I also beat the crap out of a Black Vulcar scavenger, questioned him about Bastila, then killed him for dark side points after I still didn't get her lightsaber >.>

OH! and there's a re-entry area to the swoop track!

Did you loot Brejik's corpse? I think he has it. Him or one of the other Vulkars at the track.

Looted them all. Never had this issue before :(

Bastila is currently  the rave Jedi, running around and dual wielding glow sticks that I picked up off of two promised land outcast corpses. They're crap for DPS, but it's the visual that counts.

My guess is that it's a glitch or that  there was a save issue (I got stuck after combat in that point and had to reload so it's possible the reload save was before looting :( Ah well. I'll just give her one of the ones I pick up on Dantooine.

Yeah, that's odd. You don't think it's connected to that mod, do you? Sometimes, mods can introduce problems that weren't there previously. Fortunately, you pick up more sabers than you have Jedi for in that game, unlike the sequel. If you train everyone who is Force sensitive in KOTOR II, you definitely run short on sabers. ::)

It's possible. Though now that I consider it, I could always mod it back in since it's the PC version (I know how to mod items and quests and stats but prefer not to :P ) I think I'm just going to mod it back in XD Bastila not using her signature double blades just seems wrong. The cut scene still gets me every time XD

It has been done! Bastila has her lightsaber again and file save has a big giant "cheat used" across the image lol. Also turned on screenshots while I was at it. That may have been part of the issue with my screen recording, so I guess I'll test that now too...

At least you were able to put it back in. I know the restored content for KOTOR II caused some weird stuff to happen when I played through it with that mod. It's still a better game, though.

Sadly the screenshots on option doesn't fix the recording issue :( I've been wanting to do a "Let's play" for a while, but that's kind of impossible when the game only records as a black screen with sound.

In the end my lady Scout Consular was redeemed.  Perhaps my Scoundrel Sentinel will go the dark side ending.

Yes, but in what type of pantsu?  ;)

Dark side female ending without the restored content is too dark for me. You guys get it easy. Bastila becomes your lover and you rule the galaxy together. No such niceties for the ladies...

I had Bastilla kill Carth when I played as a female. I found it fun, but then I'm a dude. ;)

You monster! What did poor Carth ever do to you?

He actually used to get on my nerves a lot. I so wanted to kill him as a dude, but you can't do that. So, it was cathartic.

I guess I can relate in that sense.... I frequently save before Bastila's redemption so I can kill her for the satisfaction of it. Bastila still annoys me to this day.

huh?

I think he's asking what her underwear looked like XD

No idea, by that point in the game I wasn't stopping and clothes swamping lol

And now the world will never know what underwear the Girlscout finished in XD

IF motivated I could go look, the file is saved right before the Malak fight. but that is a big if lol.

XD Understandable

Slowly but surely working my way through the restored content mod for the first game. Tattooine desert is full of Jawa scavengers to go with the sand crawler now! :D Also, the Iriaz are back on Dantooine (which were mentioned in the one murder investigation quest on the Dantooine plains multiple times but the physical creatures weren't included in the release).

On another note, I'm so happy to be swoop racing on PC again instead of mobile. I can actually steer now! XD passed all 3 circuits on the first attempt on Tattooine. Granted, Manaan is more difficult, so that one will probably take more tries, especially if I end up helping the swoop n00b there... This is a dark side run... but experience points are nice. Also on Manaan, I've heard there's a Pazaak tournament that was cut from the original release, so I'm excited to try that out... I need to head over to Yavin first though and get the rhodian to give me a deck. Not wasting my credits paying for that :P

ALSO! I've never had this specific party with me when I've done this ending to the droid quest AND spoken to the chick the second time. Carth I know, but Canderous... I went back and did it again and recorded it just so I could share XD

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85Ev4HlaHp4&t=9s&index=5&list=LLbPDmYn790q5WrFWybEiTtQ#)

On another note! I just realized that at the VERY beginning of the video you get to see one of the Iriaz briefly

My Dark Scoundrel play through concluded in blood XD

Hey, Scifidude, any suggestions to help Kaz? He got KOTOR 2 on xbox and I have 0 idea how to guide in the process of TSLRCM in that situation...

Nope, not a clue. I have the game for the computer. It looks like it's doable from what I found in a quick search, but it's a giant pain in the butt to get it set up on XBOX. Also, XBOX doesn't seem to like mods that include models, from what I'm reading.

I do know that one thing you need before you can install files on an original XBOX is a USB adapter.

https://www.amazon.com/NEORTX-Adapter-Cable-Xbox-Black/dp/B00SMCJB4Y/ref=sr_1_4 (https://www.amazon.com/NEORTX-Adapter-Cable-Xbox-Black/dp/B00SMCJB4Y/ref=sr_1_4)

Unless you're trying to do this on an XBOX One, then I really have no clue. XBOX One will play original XBOX games, but it downloads a self contained emulator to run the game in.

My dark Gwen run is reminding me how short female scoundrel is. Jawas reach her shoulder XD

I finally found a screen recorder that works for KOTOR! :D hoping to do a play through for some of my real-life saber peeps who want to experience but don’t have time to play on their own. I can link here too as I go through if anyone is interested.

KOTOR 1 and 2 are on Xbox one backwards compatible and just picked them up! Just beat the first the other day. Played it as a kid but never beat it. Starting 2 today after work! I can’t wait!

Sweet! Both games are great. Just be prepared for the XBOX version of KOTORII to possibly have some bugs and you may not be able to complete some minor side quests, because it won't have the restored content mod. Still, it's a good and totally playable game.

I just finished Mass Effect 1 as I wanted to play through the whole trilogy as it was intended. I find it funny that both games were made by Bioware and we are revisiting both franchises at the same time.

Have fun!  :D

Also, they're two of Bioware's best franchises, in my opinion.

THIS! I would still recommend trying out the second on PC with the restored content mod later on if you get the chance.

I have it on my PC now but my PC is having issues so I never got to play it on there so I decided to buy it on Xbox. It’s a great game so far just got to Nar Shadda. I hebnt encountered any side quest bugs yet but if I do it won’t ruin the game for me. If a few side quests become unplayable but the main storyline works till the end I won’t be too disappointed

I think there's only one side quest that can't be finished, (at least, only one I can think of right now) and that's only if you go with light side options. If you dark side it, you can end the quest chain before you even get to the one that can't be finished. ;)

trying to no spoil anything here but is the side quest you are talking about the one where you can either kill a certain someone or convince him to step down for light side points?

If you mean on Dantooine, SHE should be convinced to stand down regardless of light side or dark side points. Puts you at a tactical disadvantage later in the game otherwise.