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Flash on Clash in an option that makes your blade flash a different color when the soundboard detects an impact and plays an impact sound.  The blade also flickers between those two colors when the lock-up sound plays.

• Flash on Clash in ONLY available in sabers with sound.  
• Any saber with Flash on Clash added will be made with a 10W RGB LED, not a Seoul P4 Star or a Luxeon Rebel Star.
• Please check the list below for available clash colors based on your blade color choice.  If you pick an unavailable color, the saber tech will make the saber flash the color they think is best.  (Please pick an available color)
• Any saber with the RGB blade color can only flash silver or orange.

(http://www.ultrasabers-uploads.com/websitefiles/foccolors.jpeg)


Other side notes:

If you want a forum only color or a forum only clash color (please make sure that the saber color/flash color combination is possible FIRST) then request it in the comments field of the order as always.  There is a $5 charge for forum only colors.

If you want any other specialty type orders, please emails us BEFORE you place your order.

Email any questions to info@ultrasabers.com


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKWQXmJpiOM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKWQXmJpiOM#ws)

so is the FoC achieved through a board add on like a pex or one of skottsabers flash drivers? or is it a new addition straight onto obsidian? and will it be available for purchase seperately for DIY?

Patience my friend, we can only announce one thing at a time.  For now, just know that you can get Flash on Clash in your new Ultra Saber.  More information will be given as soon as we can get it out.

To me this is the feature I would most want after sound.  The only other option that I would want this bad is a pulsating blade.  Congratutions and well done!!!

This I am getting when I get sound.

The blade pulsates too, forget to link the video... Incoming

You just blew my mind!!!!  ;D

Pu-l-s-a-tes....... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Have I told you I love you? Cause I do. All of you. You guys rock. This will be the subject of my geek dreams until I can buy an Archon set for this. My word.... it's beautiful.

WOOOWWW, NOW YES IT'S A SERIOUS SABER!  :o

Just a question: if I order a saber with FoC and quick disconnect, and I want a different color MLS unit, what color will be the related FoC? The same or a different one?  ???
 
May I advance a suggestion for the next announcement?: crystal chambers! Modular crystal chambers! The shape, color and number of crystals will be decided by Deep or another member of Ultrasabers. Simples, not too much detailed (to reduce the costs). "Do you want a crystal chamber? Ok, but this way only, no further mods!".

I know, I'm dreaming.  ::)

May I at least hope?  :)

Guys, why do you have to be SO AWESOME? WHY?! :(
Seriously though, I'm excited. I'm more than excited! Way to go US!

Oh this is SWEET!  I can't wait to hear if it will work well/play nice with quick disconnects!  (and whether there is a way to have it added to an already-equipped Obsidian sabre... just got my first sabre a month ago and would love to have this on it... :P)

peace,

Kannik

this is awesome!!!

Having the first saber (That I know of) to run the Obsidian FOC, I can say that it is a fantastic feature!
Way to go Ultra, keeping the hobby alive every day!

@ Deep:  A question:  Say I order a saber with quick disconnects in Blazing Red and want the FOC color to be Fire Orange.  If I decide to change out the mls to a Violet Amethyst (that I all ready have), what will the FOC color be...will it still remain Fire Orange, or will changing the mls affect the originally selected FOC color?

as i read on another section the foc will be incorporated into a rgb led, so you would need to get a mls with a foc????

I think changing colors using quick disconnects may not be an option if you have FoC.  The FoC uses an RGB led, not a Seoul or Luxeon.  So the LED is "tuned" to the color  that you selected with the FoC triggering a different combination of the three colors (probably by re-directing the voltage in a different combination).  It may be possible, I suppose, to get another RGB LED that is tuned to a different color with a different FoC color, but this  would have to be an MLS that has been specially prepared.  We haven't heard yet (and this is all very new) whether that will be offered.

FWIW, I'm willing to give up quick disconnects for FOC, though with two MLS units on the way, and only one saber at the moment with QD, it would be a shame for that to be the only saber I could use them in.

I recently purchased three Obsidian sabers, and I would've loved this option had it been available a month ago. Can I mail them in for this upgrade?

While ordering I was going to order a spare MLS and found out that they have added a FOC pull-down window to it, which answers my question.  Now hopfully all I have to do is order a FOC capable MLS for my other sound sabers.

Very Interesting Indeed... I Shall Have To Give This Some Thought ;)

I'm loving the FoC idea a lot! Too bad I do not have an RGB. When I get an RGB, I'm soooo getting this!

I have never been a fan of pulsating blades though, the ligtsabers in Star Wars pulsated very little if they did at all. I find led sabers that pulsate, do not pulsate the subtle way that they did in SW, but are way more, "out there" if you will.

Is it possible to get the FoC, without the pulsating blade?

Bye Darth S whoever you were ;)    Now back to retyping my answer for Stuxnet:  I checked with Deep about sending in sabers to make them FOC capable (cause I wanted some done);  I was told that it could be done, but they had to gut and rebuild the insides, changing out the sound board for a new one, and putting in a new and  more expensive MLS unit.  Deep gave me a very, very, very rough price quote, but I will not mention it because It was just that, a rough price quote, which in my opinion only covered parts, and no labor or shipping.

Will I get some redone...it's hard to say at this time.  Will see what my Overlord looks like with FOC.

Thanks for the info Tom. Would you mind PMing me that very, very, very rough price quote, just so I have a very, very, very rough sense of what it might cost me?  ;)

I can't wait to read your Overlord FOC review! 

Even if you won't give a full-on price quote, would you be willing to share a rough % of new sabre (with Obsidian and FOC added in) cost?  (my guess based on the obsidian and FOC MLS costs plus some labour would be about half...)

peace,

Kannik

I'm getting one too, but I'm a bit confused by the ordering process, hoping one of you fine folks can clears a few things up.

I want Sentinel Yellow with White FoC. So when ordering, do I ask for Arctic Blue as the main and RGB as the FoC, noting the actual color choices in the annotation? Do I have that right? Or is it Arctic Blue and White as the FoC? I'm a bit confused >.< Also, this does come with the quick disconnect MLS option, yes? And lastly, Emory posted that the "forum colors" were an extra $5, so am I adding that on top of the Arctic blue $5 upcharge? And if so, how?

Thanks.

@ Kannik:    Once I get the overlord and see it myself I will decide if I want to get some others converted.  I would suggest emailing Deep to coordinate converting them for you at info@ultrasabers.com, he may need other info that he didn't provide me.    Below is the excerpt from the email that Deep sent me about converting the saber to FOC capable.

You can, but the task of making it FoC capable isn't easy. We'd have to
> > dismantle and rebuild the entire saber and add a different soundboard
> > and a different much more exspensive LED.
> >
> > 1. It would cost about as much as a new saber (disassembling and
> > reassembling is much harder than just assembling). Probably around $200
> > per saber which would include all labor and parts.

@ Stuxnet:  For the main color you would pic one of the colors that cost $5.00 more than the others (VA, Arctic Blue, or Sunrider's Destiny).  When you get to the Flash on Clash box click on the Silver color.  The flash on clash is a special MLS unit.  If you would ever want to change the color of main color or flash color you would need to click on the quick disconnect box for "sure add them".  Once you are ready to check out you would go to the Order Comments box and state something like:  I would like the blade color to be Sentinel Yellow with Silver FOC.

This should take care of it.  Note:  A SY overlord with sound and Red AV switch, FOC Silver, quick disconnects, li-on setup, nickle finish, mid grade blade and a hex wrench is 311.00.

Excellent, thanks a tonne for the info.  Given what Deep says if I choose to get FoC I'll simply order more sabres.  A collection starts when you have two, right?  ;)

peace,

Kannik
(though it would be two of the same to start -- gotta get my fave in FoC before I start ordering more... like maybe that Bellicose, or a dark shock, or... and then add more MLS units... -grins- )

Being new here, I have some quick questions:  What does BH stand for and can someone provide pictures of Pyrestone and BH?  I am also assuming that SY stands for Sentinel Yellow.  Thanks.  JJ

BH stands for Bane's Heart, it is a more reddish Violet Amethyst, some have described it as a reg magenta, or even a pinkish Violet.
Pyrestone Orange (to me) is a more darker, evil looking Fire Orange

Here's one for Bane's Heart
http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=3485.0 (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=3485.0)

On page 16 of the below topic you will find some pics with the colors.  Keep in mind there are very few pics that will actually capture the exact color.
http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=438.225 (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=438.225)

Here's one for Sentinel Yellow
http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=3500.0 (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=3500.0)

Consular Green with blue flash would look good. Thats what I'm doing for my Consular saber.

Definently do a video review of it if you can :)    I would like to see it cause it may change my opinion.   That's what we should do start a new thread "Different Blade Colors with FOC".  This would give someone a visual as to the different color combinations.

@Tom. I only do demos mostly but I guess I can do at least a short review of what I think of the new flash on clash. I do think blue flash on clash would look good on a green blade.

I have to ask:  what is the battery life like on the new Obsidian boards with the FOC vs. the original boards?

Hi just A ? What are the SY BH & pyrestone Colors Thanks i am getting a Overlord with th red LED with Arctic Blue FOC so if you need two see my video just go two youtube and look up (SuperDarkside 13) and you will find it ok hope someone can tell me what the colors are MTFBWY Or MTDSBWY LOL Darth Dante

they are custom colors. Sy is sentinel yellow. Preystone is an orange red color. banes heart is like a magenta. they are custom colors that US can give you. all you have to do is pick an rgb color and in the  order comments, just politely ask for the color.

ok thanks darth tratus you are a nice guy sweet but i do not have a RGB saber can i still get the 2 Colors on my single saber Dante :) one more thing can i get this if i buy a MLS Unit

what i meant by an rgb color was violet amethyst arctic blue or srd. they are the 5 dollar extra colors. in the order comments just comment that you want SY BH or PO. for mls units its the same. just put it in the comments. with an rgb saber, the 3 switch one, i know you can get sentinel yellow.

ok but i do not have the money for a RGB only for a single Hilt & the MLS unit so if i ask for a MLS unit in Blazing Red and ask Them for the Sentinel Yellow than will give it two me yes i hope LOL thanks Mate :) Dante

Dear Darth Dante,

You are still not understanding.  The special colors do not require an RGB saber as you are conceiving it.  The following colors are a mix of two different LED colors, thus requiring multiple LEDs on one pad to make them.  They use one button to light both LEDs and then you can get SRD, AB, VA, DVA, BH, SY and Pyrestone.  So these are refered to as RGB colors because they use more than 1 LED mixed together to make them.

If you want a SY, BH, DVA or Pyrestone saber or MLS unit do the following:

When setting up your order, under "Choose the color of your blade" you need to select one of the following: Arctic Blue, Sunrider's Destiny or Violet Amythest.  As you progress through the order form you'll come to the shipping selection page.  In the comments box on that page you must write what special color you want.  This goes for buying a hilt or for buying a MLS unit.

Cheers.

@dante
this is exactly what i was trying to explain. sorry if i wasnt clear enough. hope you undersrtand now

ok thanks Master Artorius Vidnyl so if i buy a MLS Uint In red i pick the Arctic Blue & ask Ultrsaber if i can have the Sentinel Yellow or Pyrestone - Orange or Banes Heart - Magenta yes if this is right this would be swet LOL thanks mate i understand now sorry if i dont know :(

hey NP darth tratus your the best & so is Master Artorius Vidnyl thankyou both of you :) dante

What is SY, BH, and PYRESTONE?

Those are special colors you can get upon request.  SY = Sentinel Yellow, a golden yellow color.  BH = Bane's Heart, a magenta color made by putting more red in the Violet Amethyst.  Pyrestone is a deep reddish orange.  If you wish to get any of these, you just have to order one of the more expensive colors (Arctic Blue, Sunriders Destiny, and Violet Amethyst) and write in your order comments that you would like the color. 

For instance if I wanted a Pyrestone saber I would order the hilt and pick Sunriders Destiny, then write in "I would like Pyrestone for my blade color please" upon checkout.

Thank you good sir.

hi all just two let you know i ask emory off ultrasaber & he says that the Arctic Blue will not get you the Sentinel Yellow if you look at the list the blue gives you the Sentinel Yellow & the Green gets you the Banes Heart - & Silver gets you the Pyrestone - Orange this is what i see on the list so i just ask him for this i will let you know when he gets back two me & i will let you all know ok thanks :) dante i hope i am right LOL Maybe :)

hi all just two let you know that if you have the old Obsidian USB Soundboard you can not get the Clash on Flash or use it need the new Obsidian USB XT Soundboard Emroy from ultrsabers just email me & now i need two send my 2 sabers back two him two get the Obsidian USB XT Soundboards in them so i will let you all know how much it will be so if you need do do the same you will know ok thanks i hope you do have the Obsidian USB XT Soundboard in you saber i do not :(:(:( Dante thanks for your time :)

Yes, the flash effect will not happen on the old Obsidian, only the new Obsidian XT.  It's like expecting a PS2 to play a PS3 game lol

yes i konw But I Need It LOL :( so have you got FOC yet

Nope, but my next saber will have it!  Thinking of a Dark Shock in Sentinel Yellow ;)

Call me crazy, but I have absolutely NO desire to have FOC. I don't particularly care for it. *Shrug*

I am hesitant about it myself but I'm going to get one just so that I can say I've tried it.  The great thing is it's not a requirement with the  new board, it's an options.  Gives you more that you can do which is pretty awesome for some and just something extra for others.  Everybody wins.

Looking at Qui-Tom's pics of the LED units for the FoC LEDs, it looks like you might even be able to easily disable it if you spent the extra on quick disconnects, since there are two connections for the FoC LEDs instead of just one.

Can anyone confirm?

Confirmed.

Awesome. So a simple pull of the /secondary/ quick disconnect on a FoC LED Unit and voila, no more flashy on clashy. Easy peasy. This is also why you can use non FoC units in FoC hilts and FoC units in non FoC hilts. Yay for quick disconnect.

this is for Nero Attoru wow let me know if you get the Dark Shock in Sentinel Yellow i would love two look at that i will be getting a new saber with the FOC In the Pyrestone - Orange so i will show you that ok thanks mate :) Dante

Ok, I've read through this and have a question in regards to color. All colors with flash on clash will be made with RGB LEDs, right? So what's the difference between regular orange  and pyrestone?

If I want pyrestone, do I have to pick one of the $5 extra colors, or can I just ask for it, since everything is made with an RGB LED anyhow?

I am thisclose to ordering a pyrestone saber with blue FoC and AV switch!

In the following thread I did a vid of the Pyrestone Orange with Fire Orange FoC  http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=3829.0 (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=3829.0)     To me Pyrestone Orange looks to be a little more darker than Fire Orange.   Whenever I order a Pyrestone Orange I ask for one of the colors that costs $5.00 more (SRD, VA, AB), then specify I want Pyrestone Orange to be the primary blade color.

If you do order it and can do a youtube vid, please post what the colors look like in the topic above as I'm sure it would help other people to decide if they like those color schemes.

Ok, I got my saber with flash on clash today- I ordered pyrestone as my primary color with blue for flash. But here's the wierd thing- it flashes purple! No word of a lie, I didn't think that was even possible, given the available colors for pyrestone. VA is not one of the compatible colors, according to the chart. So what's up? Is something wrong with my saber?

Red+Blue=Purple.  Could be that the blue flashes on and the red is still on making purple.  Could be an optical illusion.  Not really sure.

Exactly, it's flashing blue but you some people might see purple, ie an optical illusion.

Updated with information about the type of RGB LED used.

ohh so thats why my sy saber flashes purple wen i requested blue???:)

Newb question probably... but What is a "forum only color"?

Custom colors discussed on here, available by picking one of the special colors (VA, SRD, AB) and putting a request for it in order comments.

They include Sentinel Yellow, Pyrestone Orange, Bane's Heart, and Dark Violet.  Do a search on any of those names and you will find reviews, comments, etc.

Back on topic...

For the XT board do I just wire the additional leads to the RGB LED with the color I want flashed? How much current do I get from the extra leads?

I'm getting a saber with DVA and was debating FoC color..Can someone point me in the direction of a Vid with DVA saber with AS FoC please and Thank you  ?

I don't have a vid posted, but my Prophecy V3 is DVA with silver FOC and I think it looks AWESOME! Very striking, and dramatic.

Cool beans, that's what I was hoping for. Thanks !

Would you mind posting a video? I'd like to see that.

I will try to post a vid Thursday or Friday if I can. ;D It's pretty cool, I'd like to show it off to folks.

Awesome ! Looking forward to it ! Ty so much in advance !

I was wondering if there was a way to control the Flash on Clash length in the Obsidian soundboard. I like the Flash on Clash alot but was wondering if there was a way too make it a really quick flash like in the movies. It's not a big deal but I was just wondering.  ;)

Any ETA on that?

I'd like to know if I have to wait before buying if I want the pulsating blade

Been trying to get some info on this but without any luck. Tried Emory as well...

What kind of battery pack is used on the 10w w/ FoC feature? Cuz I've been told that 3.7v trustfires wont work....

I have a Raven with DVA and silver FoC , it uses 2 Trustfire 14500 3.7v cells.

Thanks. How is the brightness and runtime on them.

You've been told wrong.

Thanks Deep! Care to give alittle more info?

How long is the runtime on the 3.7v when having a 10w?

and will the 3.7v give full brightness to the 10w? I'm thinking VA or AB or even BR all with FoC

u cant use a single trustfire 3.7V cause that is only enough voltage to run one die, on a 10W RGB, so you would need two 3.7V trustfire in series to get 7.4V, and if you want more runtime you need to use batteries with more  milliamps, a 3.7V 2600ma battery is twice the size of a AA battery.  Runtime will always vary

This is incorrect.  You can definitely use a single 3.7V battery to run a 10W RGB LED.  It's done all the time especially with 18650 cells.

The only thing that will change is the run time from using a single cell, but an single 18650 cell would give you more run time than 2x 3.7V 14500 cells.

Question, DVA is not on the list so is the color matching the same as VA? I am hoping to get DVA with Flash to CG.

Since DVA is VA with more emphasis on the Blue LED, I believe you will get the exact same FOC options as VA. 

so the RGB LED is 10W? how many watts are the non RGB led's? are the RGB led's brighter?

The RGB LED's used in FOC configurations are 10W.  The RGB's and other LED's used  in Non-FOC configurations are 5W.

1) With Flash on Clash, does brightness differ between the 10W RGB LED and Seoul P4 Star/Luxeon Rebel Star LED's? Is one brighter than the other?

2) Would the shade/intensity differ between the Seoul P4 Star/Luxeon Rebel Star in Sun Rider's Destiny and the FoC 10W RGB LED in Sun Rider's Destiny?

Sorry about the questions (and if they have been answered before, too), I am just getting ready to order a saber with Obsidian Sound and FoC, and I just want to get some things straight before I click on the checkout button. :)

I have a Guardian Blue Archon made with a 5W LED and a Guardian Blue War Glaive with a 10W LED.  I cannot tell a difference in the brightness.  No matter what you order, you are going to get a very bright LED.  The difference will be in how much longer your batteries last.

Alright, that's good to know. Thanks!

Hello once again Saberforum.
I ordered a consular hilt just a few days ago with the green colored LED + silver flash on clash option. It will arrive either tomorrow or the day after. (Over here it's actually today or tomorrow since I live in Germany  ;) )
Sadly it seems that I'm too stupid to find the answer to my question via the search function though so I have to ask a similar question to the one already asked by PeDDer27:

What about the Consular Green + foc silver[/white(?)] against the normal P4 version? Brightness is really important to me (and yeah I know they might be pretty close in brightness but I really want to know which one is brighter in the end ;) )
The shade itself is less important to me, since I think they both should do a decent job on that one.

Besides I'm also interested in the manufacturer of the 10w LED, is it the LedEngine 10 watt or something different? Ultrasaber isn't really clear on that one since they only mention a foc saber would use a 10watt RGB LED.

Mentor,

I do believe the only 10W star base attached LED is the LEDEngin.  We are talking 5 W difference so it will not be like a 40W vs 60W lightbulb.  Those you can see a noticeable difference.  I am sure that if you use a luminometer, the 10W will be brighter.  As to how the naked sees it, not so much.  Of course, I am writing based on the eyesight of a 38 year old male.  Females see light differences more clearly than males and age does affect light views as well. 

Often times, the brand of LED they choose in the 5W range depends on which company provides more lumens.  Seoul P4 has the brightest red but the deeper blue of Guardian Blue has to come from a Rebel Star.  I have owned Seoul P4 Blue and it looks nothing like my Guardian Blue.  Of course, price factors as well if the lumen difference is not significant.

On the subject of 10W vs 5W, they are not using all 4 dies on the LEDEngin so you are not getting a full 10W of power going through that thing.  Therefore, you have another factor of why you will not be getting a huge difference (or noticeable with my eyes) in the brightness. 

We do have a smith on here that has experimented with 10W single color LEDEngin and he has talked about the difficulty getting the power cells and resistance just right so that he got a full 10W of power going.  Often times, he just wires them in parallel rather than series and uses lower voltage to prevent heat buildup. 

Sorry about going off a technical tangent but in the end, you are getting brightness whether you purchase the single die Green or the Green + FOC. 

Blue

According to the list, VA with BH FoC would be possible, but BH with VA FoC is not possible. That seems a bit strange to me considering that all the other color/FoC combinations are symmetric (meaning that if color A with color B FoC is possible, then also color B with color A FoC is possible).

Is this a mistake in the list?

Not a mistake.  The resistor configuration makes the reverse impossible.  SRD can flash AB but AB can not flash SRD (even though I think it say's it can in the list).

VA can flash BH but BH can't flash VA  :(

 :(

Well, thanks for the answer, Deep.

I didn't expect it to be brighter than a 5W at all, actually I thought of the opposite because of the reasons you mentioned and indeed: I got my sword and ... well it's bright alright but still too dim for my eyes. With the blade attached it looks more like a very unevenly painted stick under normal lightning conditions while blinding you in total darkness of course.

My problem is that I love the foc effect, in my opinion it's totally worth it but it gives green-color-users like myself a real headache since if you buy via US you don't get the chance for a RGGB LED which would be really appreciated by me though I don't know if the 7.4V are even enough for GG+FoC.

What about the arctic blue option? That should be B+G and the white (or Red) as FoC but is that full power on both and serial wiring or // wiring with or without a resistor in between (for G and B of course)?

I'm currently wondering if I should buy a Rebel Star green MLS unit for best brightness in green or an Arctic Blue MLS unit with white foc for comparable or even better brightness and my beloved foc effect.
Maybe I will end up with both but I want to decide on one thing first.

Sadly I didn't find any shop offering the 5w LedEngine LED which is kinda weird since anyone seems to be in agreement that they are the brightest of the single die options.

I don't know if it's possible, but the new forum color Emerald Green is made with an RGB led I believe . It might be possible to have that FoC. Just a thought.

Hi everyone. I'm new to the forum and about to make my first purchase from ultrasabers. I'm based in the Uk and want to make sure I get everything right. I'd be grateful for some advice please guys. I'm ordering the Guardian hilt with the guardian blue blade. Questions:

1) what colour for flash on clash with the guardian blue (personally would like violet but don't know if it's possible)?
2) what battery configuration do I need (buck puck or resistor) difference?

I'm going to opt for a blue av switch also.

Thanks so much

On checking the table on p.1, it seems banes heart is the foc option to go for

BuckPuck is much better than the resistor. For Flash the Violet Ambethyst is not available with Gaurdian Blue. You can find a chart by selecting a saber with sound on the Ultra Sabers site, then scroll to the bottom.  Silver Flash looks great with all of the colors, yellow, red, green, orange, Pyrestone (red/orange) are the available flash colors for Gaurdian blue.

Thank you Vex, but am I right in saying that BH is also available for Guardian blue?

Nope, if you check the chart again on page 1. Only red, green, orange, silver, preystone or yellow can be foc colors for G Blue

I was reading the chart the wrong way around  ::) Thanks so much!

I think its going to have to be red  ;D

Does anybody know what FOC colors are available with DVA? I'm thinking DVA with a GB or AB FOC would be pretty killer, and I'd like to know what colors are available before I order.

It is the same ones available for Violet Amethyst. 

can anyone clarify for me what LED's are used for which colors?

are any of the colors actually brighter with FOC?

i see some people talking about FOC using different LEDs than the single colors, some people are saying that the FOC uses a 10W LED but that not all 10W get used?

I have one saber with FOC (srd with silver flash) and it does seem brighter than any of  my other sabers but is that just because SRD is a brighter color? or is it because it has FOC and is therefore a higher watt LED?

im curious because if the colors are indeed brighter with the FOC then i would be more likely to get  FOC on future sabers

I believe that BR, CG, and AS use 5W Seoul P4's; FO, GB, SRD, AB, and VA use Rebel Stars with the last three being a combination of 2 colors from an RGB model. 

All colors are brighter but not significantly brighter with Flash on Clash models as they use a 10W LED Engin. 

The non FOC sabers use the 5W LED's as they are either a single die or contain three dies on the RGB models.  The Flash on Clash sabers have 4 dies with a combined rating of 10W.  Since most of the sabers require 2-3 dies to make the primary color plus flash on clash, you will not be using the full 10W of power. 

The brightness comes from two factors:  the lumens a specific color produces and the number of dies used in the mixing of the colors.  For your example of SRD with AS FOC:  You have blue and green (the highest lumens of all colored LED's) mixed to produce the SRD.  The you have AS that comes from a white.  If you have 10W spread over 4 dies, that is 5W per side.  So on the wattage, you have a primary color that is equal to a 5W RGB used for a non flash on clash.  Most of what you are seeing is an optical illusion.  People see certain colors better than others.  You obviously are like most of the population in that the colors of Blue and Green are the brightest in your eyes. 

I have both non FOC and FOC sabers.  My Guardian Blue non vs my Guardian Blue FOC are no different in brightness.  In the end though, it all amounts to what you personally see.  One of the administrators, Deep, has a wonderful thread about blade types and what colors look best.  He reminds everyone that those are his opinions as he is basing his decisions on what he personally sees best.  Deep feel that Blazing Red should not be in UEHG blades while Zren Tobas has made a video with Blazing Red in an UEHG and he says it looks great to him. 

I say do the following:  if you have access to an FOC and non FOC saber of the same color, compare them.  If you think the color looks brighter in the FOC configuration, then I would recommend purchasing future sabers with that option. 

If you do not have access, then shoot me a PM.  I'll do a video of my Guardian Blue with Silver Flash on Clash using a 10W LED Engin LED in Heavy Grade Blade against my Guardian Blue saber with the 5W Rebel Star LED so that you can decide based on the video. 

I hope this long explanation gives you better information or helps move you toward a more informed decision.

Blue

What colors can Emerald Green flash?

Good question.  I've seen silver as an option (I think that's an excellent option for ANY color), but only Deep would know for sure.

It just occurred to me, doesn't Emerald Green have the same LEDs as Sunrider's Destiny, with the mix tweaked?  So maybe the flash colors would be red, orange, silver, and arctic blue?  I'd still like to know for sure, though.


Personally, I think Emerald Green with silver flash would be an excellent color for a Corellian saber.  :)

It very well may have the same options as SRD.  However, I think Bane's Heart has different options than VA, so you can never be sure really.  Like I said though, silver is always a good choice!

Wow! the list changed a LOT recently... how come so many combos are unavailable? I wanted several combos that you can't get anymore... :( sad face. I really like my PO with VA flash, and really wanted to see a VA with orange flash. and what happened to SRD with orange? that is an awesome combo..

I just sent an email asking this question.  Getting closer to doing something really cool but want to make sure I get the colors just right. 

The color "BH" for FoC....I am having trouble finding what color that is?

Edited.I think I found it....looks purple

After reading through some of this info I am totally confused. If I order a DVA what colors could I get the FoC to be?

After reading through some of this info I am totally confused. If I order a DVA what colors could I get the FoC to be?

Same as SRD

Same as VA (Silver or BH), not sure where the confusion lies though...

Hope that helps.

Deep,

How do we read the picture? I am interested in getting a sliver bladed Aeon v3 and would like the flash to be Red. Will this be possible?

the color of the blade is on the left, the color it can flash is marked by an X to the right of the color.

Akos_Amun,

Thank you for the help.

Just a quick question, would it be possible to send my saber in and be upgraded for FoC?  I ordered mine without and am kinda regretting it.

Drop them an email at info@ultrasabers.com for faster response.  My instinct tells me that the answer is going to be yes.

I want to send my Bellicose back for FOC silver upgrade but I don't know if its too late by now. Or for upgrades like this can we send back our sabers any time? Thanks.

Hi everyone this is my first post...My name is Sith SIGH and I'm an sabier alcoholic :-))
For my mistake I did not order my Bellicose with a FoC but is possible if you buy "Requisition Charge" my Bellicose will be shipped to Ultrasaber tomorrow for an SILVER FoC Upgrade...I may need to lei down quietly till I will get it back...an Sith Lord with out sabier is just trouble :-))

^ E mail and ask the procedure
info@ultrasabers.com

I'm curious, what you write here seems to contradict what Deep writes here (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=7855.0 (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=7855.0)).  According to you, SRD FOC is the same as a 5W single color, according to Deep SRD FOC (& other mixed colors) should technically be brighter (more wattage) than a 5W.  So who's right/wrong, and why?

This is what Deep wrote:

1. If 2+ Diodes are connected (for example Arctic Blue, Violet Amethyst, SRD, SY, BH, etc) then mathematically the 10W RGB is brighter.  If only one diode is connected then mathematically the Seoul P4 is brighter.  By seriously, you need to be looking with some kind of special light absorbing tool to see the difference.  They all look great.

I wrote that brightness comes from 2 factors:  lumens and dies.

Deep stated that the math supports more dies equals brighter BUT that you would need a special light absorbing tool to see the difference (ie. lumens).

We are not contradicting each other.  Just because something is rated with a higher wattage doesn't mean it is necessarily brighter.

I'll give you this example:  You own a car with tires rated to run 180 mph and I own a car with tires rated to run at 120 mph.  It is true that your car can safely run faster than my car but if both our cars cannot exceed 70 mph due to a speed limit, what does it honestly matter? 

The 10W LED's make FOC possible where the 5W LED's don't in US's setup.  Both sabers (FOC and Non-FOC) are running at 1000mA so brightness differences are non issue. 

Repeating what Deep said in his post, every one of them is bright and unless you want to invest in a lumen measuring tool, you are going to be hard pressed to determine what is the brightest.

No contradiction?  I'm confused.  You wrote "on the wattage, you have a primary color that is equal to a 5W RGB used for a non flash on clash."  Deep says a mixed color FOC setup is higher wattage.  Are you now agreeing with that?  It's higher wattage, you just think no one can see the difference?

What's the 4th die in your FOC description?  I understand a 3 die RGB, and you mix all 3 to get white.  Is Ultrasabers using a special 4 die LED and what's the 4th die for?

I've seen Deep (& others) post that people's perception of brightness, and color, varies.  Maybe he sees no appreciable difference between a lower wattage and a higher wattage, but others might.  No one's eyes have a "speed limit" (unless we're talking so bright that we're going to go temporarily blind).  I know I can tell the difference between a 75W bulb and a 100W bulb.  Can I tell the difference between a 5W saber and a higher Watt saber?  In a dark or bright room?  Maybe.

I did an entire video on this when people were arguing about battery voltages giving brighter colors and the majority saw no difference. 

The 10 Watt LED's have 4 dies:  A red, a green, a blue and the 4th is either a white or amber.  You can visit LEDEngin's websites to verify this.  These LED's are always used in the FOC configurations.

If you have a non FOC, then you either have a single color LED or a 5W RGB (3 die) LED that mixes colors to get the desired effect. 

The speed limit comment goes back to my video where I showing that it is the resistor that controls the brightness, not the voltage.  Same thing here, the resistor controls the brightness, not the wattage.

Wattage is a rating for a light bulb's power consumption and output.  Lumens is a measure of the light's brightness.

Honestly this is an old argument that I thought had long been resolved.  My thoughts are "what is the purpose of your question?"  Are you just looking for an argument or are you truly wanting more information? 

You need to look at what Deep also wrote a little deeper. 

(Here is his original post)

1. If 2+ Diodes are connected (for example Arctic Blue, Violet Amethyst, SRD, SY, BH, etc) then mathematically the 10W RGB is brighter.  If only one diode is connected then mathematically the Seoul P4 is brighter.  By seriously, you need to be looking with some kind of special light absorbing tool to see the difference.  They all look great.

(end quote)

Now if you look at it, Deep states that if you are using a combo color, then the 10W would be MATHEMATICALLY brighter but if you are using a single color MATHEMATICALLY the 5W would be brighter. 

If you want a 10W LED, then purchase the Flash on Clash.  That is the purpose this thread.  It is not to debate semantics. 

I own 5W single LED, 5W RGB, and 10W Flash on Clash sabers.  I never have people coming to me pointing and saying, that saber is brighter.  All I hear is that "D*mn, those sabers are bright." 

Go to the LED's websites.  Look at the lumens, wattages, forward voltages, resistance values, and do the math if you are wanting to find a miniscule difference in brightness.  More work that it is worth. 

Flash on Clash sabers use a 10W LED Engin RGBW or RGBA LED.  Non Flash on Clash Sabers use a 5W Seoul P4 or Rebel Star LED. 

This is my final statement on this.  I am not here to defend or contradict anyone else on this forum.  I am here to help people make a decision that will make them feel good about their saber purchase. 

Have a nice day.

I'm sorry, I think you've misunderstood me.  I'm not looking for defense.  I'm looking for info to make a decision.  I am new to these forums.  I haven't seen the "old arguments", and I didn't find them when searching.  And I don't know much about LEDs, electricity, or electronics.  But I do enjoy learning technical details because I'm curious that way.

I'm asking because I like FOC, but I'm also interested in the brightest saber I can get.  I'd gladly get/give-up FOC or get/give-up a certain color, if I thought another configuration could be brighter.

And since there seemed to be conflicting advice between you and Deep, I wanted to get more information, to help me decide.

Can you explain to me how a combo color FOC is mathematically brighter?  Or is that too complicated an explanation?  Is it only certain combo colors, based upon how many dies they require?  My memory right now is that all the combo colors were only 2 dies.

>All I hear is that "D*mn, those sabers are bright."

You've overloaded their eyes  ;)

From all I've learned so far, and Ultra's post ("Blue is still the brightest, but it's not out of place in the lineup.  All our colors are very comparable to each other in brightness, with Blue and Green having a bit more punch to them"), it sounds like something like Arctic Blue FOC or SRD FOC ought to be the brightest.  Mathematically at least based on the 10W LED? 

And I know human eyes are most sensitive to green/yellowish-green in the daylight, but in the dark that shifts more towards blue, which means green & blue colors ought to be perceived brighter than their lumens would indicate.

I'm going to try to find your video, I'm curious to see what's in it.

Hey guys, quick question, I am ordering my first FoC saber, Guardian w/sound and Guardian Blue blade, question is, does the FoC option show the normal blade color as bright as a saber without FoC?

Another question: have anyone tried using color filters in pair with FoC?

To change both the main color and the FoC color.

If "yes" - how was the impression?

This I would like to know as well.

Really? No one ever tried this idea???

Please, tell us, before the summer deals end))

Yes it works bit the effect depends on what filter you use and what your FOC is. I've been playing with some Lee filters on my CG Scorpion and I think the main reason it's so noticable is because my FOC is silver. I'll try to post pics later.

I am going to be ordering an Archon with Consular Green and I was curious if Silver or SRD was a better FoC color and which which might effect having a dimmer or brighter blade overall?

I was wanting to get a Manticore in sentinel yellow at some point.  What would be a good FOC color for that? 
My first though was fire orange but I wasn't sure if that would be enough difference in color to be noticeable.

Question about the FoC - I want it to be very sensitive, and trigger even when I just hit the handle with hand.

But, after playing with parameters I've noticed, that the saber just clashes first 3-4 seconds after the disconnect, and then there is no way to make a clash, no matter what will you do.

Has anyone encountered that?

I've tried 0-5 Impact Treshhold, and different motion parametars.

Restore defaults, and setting Impact Treshhold to 7 solved the problem. Not I can flicker my saber just bu hitting it)

http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=5612.msg189965#msg189965 (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=5612.msg189965#msg189965)

I talked in the sentinel yellow vid about how orange is a darker color and seems to give a dimming effect. it's not my favorite, but orange is a bigger contrast than silver.

Thanks.  I'll check that out when I'm not at work.

Guys would the 10w led be brighter than than the p4 or luxeon? Im trying to decide if flash on clash is worth it.
Also how does the pulsate/flicker option work?

Thanks :)

It might depend on the color.  Not that anyone's measured the various saber configurations with a light-measuring device.

If you're getting a non-mixed color (ones like CG, GB, etc):
The non-FOC is likely going to be a 5W single LED. 
The FOC version is likely going to be using a single die of a 4-die (RGBW or RGBA) 10W LedEngin. 
So, 5W vs 2.5W on non-mixed colors.

If you're getting a mixed color (SRD, AB, etc):
The non-FOC is likely going to be using 2 dies of a 3-die RGB 5W LedEngin. 
The FOC version is likely going to be using 2 dies of a 4-die (RGBW or RGBA) 10W LedEngin.
So, 3.3W vs 5W on mixed colors.

Although if they change what LEDs they use, then all of that will be wrong  :P

And none of this tells you actual brightness in lumens.  And then of course there's human eye sensitivity.

In daylight, the human eye is most sensitive to light at a wavelength of 555nm (yellow-green).  Think of "optic yellow" tennis/golf balls, and certain emergency vehicles:
http://rohanhill.com/tools/WaveToRGB/index.asp?wavelength=555 (http://rohanhill.com/tools/WaveToRGB/index.asp?wavelength=555)

In darkness, the eye is most sensitive to a wavelength of 505nm (blue-green):
http://rohanhill.com/tools/WaveToRGB/index.asp?wavelength=505 (http://rohanhill.com/tools/WaveToRGB/index.asp?wavelength=505)

I assume this means that a red LED vs a green LED of the same lumens, the green will look brighter.

Thanks for the information, after working it out I realised 35 dollars isnt that much for the extras involved. It sounds great converted in into gbp lol 215 dollars for bellicose with all the bells and whistles vs around 320 dollars.

can anyone give me some settings to have the saber pulsate slowly on idle?

I don't know that Obsidian does that. I don't know what you need to have but it seems like some sort of voltage driver to the LED would control the breathing effect you're talking about. The Flash on Clash thing is activating a different die in the LED. I've seen some custom sabers that do the slower idle pulse/breathing, but the smiths that make them charge bookoo bucks.

A CCD (Constant Current Driver) is around $50 at the other guys', and if you replace a buckpuck with it, you can get the shimmer and the ramp ups and ramp downs when you turn it on/off. A bit of an investment over a $16 buckpuck, but it is possible.

Does anyone have the info on what FoC colors are available for EG and DVA? 

It is my understanding that Emerald Green has the same FOC's as SRD and DVA has the same as VA.  Always best to see what you can get them to offer.  I requested an SRD with a FO FOC but I did so with the understanding that it would be experimental therefore it could not be just right.  My friend also got a GB with a Hot Pink FOC under the same understanding.  We are very happy with our purchases.  You can see my SRD with FO FOC under the SRD color thread started by Zren

Thank you sir.  8)

if I don't get Flash on Clash, Will the blade still flash when you strike another blade?

No, but the Obsidian will still make the clash sounds (and lockup too when you tap the buttton). It will look like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGN7iVuBBQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGN7iVuBBQ#ws)

I really do like eerockk's videos.

ok thanks

Sound Order. Set your pulse to 1. It helps.

I am sorry if this is a stupid question, but the "X" on the chart means the colours aren't compatible? So, if I wanted a red blade, I couldn't get a silver flash?

It's exactly the other way - an "X" marks the possible combinations. Blank fields mark impossible or, in the case of identical colours, useless combinations.

Ok thanks. :P

Hey guys, I'm new to this, so please show me grace. What are the Souel P4 Star or the Luxon Rebel Star?

They're two brands of LEDs used in Ultrasabers' LED Modules. I don't know the differences between these two, though, so I can't give you more information on this :-\

Thanks Racona!

They're just two different brand of LED, the folks at US tend to use them for different colors.  I don't have any inside or up to date info on them, so I can't clarify which one is used for which color.  They're virtually the same level of LED though, whereas the LEDengines are used for sabers with FoC I believe.

OK, that makes sense. Thanks Master

Just got my Manticore yesterday and the FoC works AWESOME. I was curious though, is it possable to switch the color set up. Right now my blade is Orange and flashes red. Can I switch it to red that flashes orange etc?

Unless you have a second LED Unit with that colour combo and Quick Disconnects on your saber and the LED or an Emerald saber, your only way to change this is rewiring the LED Unit. But you need a bit of knowledge on electronics and soldering.

Or you can send your saber back to US and let them do the work if you don't want to temper with the saber's guts...

hey all,

So Im building my first custom saber and Im looking for a little advice on a few topics. I set up a post actually, going over several of them , so If you prefer to find that, to asking me directly what im asking help for, please, feel free. I believe its titled; ' Building my first saber (Heeellppp) ' or something to that effect haha. Otherwise, the general gist of my questions have to do mainly with the internals/Electronics, but I also have a few compatability questions about some possible hilts I'd like to use for a custom saber. maybe not my first, but at some point. If anybody has knowledge about these things, please respond to my inquiry.

Id really appreciate any help I can get !  Also, I am attempting to determine the LED and Sound set ups I'd like to end up putting in my first saber. Obviously those are some major components to a complete fight-worthy saber, because naturally I don't want to build a saber that doesn't light up or make noise lol. Anyways, Please Help a brotha out, hit me with some knowledge, Im ready to learn ! haha

I have plenty of tutorials on www.youtube.com/bluespike1974 (http://www.youtube.com/bluespike1974).  If you cannot find something there, just hit me with a PM question.

Flash on clash is one of the best features ultrasabers has. I absolutely love it, and when I mess around with my MR Force FX lightsabers, they just fall short in comparison. I have a Shock LE with Emerald driver, and I love to be able to adjust the FOC to suit my blade color.

Quick question- been planning my saber for some time, and looking to get a cheaper option that could add the Flash on Clash option later.  Is this doable, and any specs strongly needed to allow for future upgrades?  (friend tells me pretty cool about this/mail ins for later features)

Looking at a Guardian Blue, and adding a silver or Amethyst flash down the line when funds allow. 

As long as you have a soundboard installed, it's no big deal to add FoC, I think. Don't know about the right LED unit, though, since they seem to differ from the ones used in non-FoC sabers...

The easiest way is of course a mail-in so that US ca handle this and maintain the warranty on your saber :) Just shoot them an e-mail at info@ultrasabers.com

or wait till the 90 days is up then have at it. You will need to make sure you have at least a 2 color LED. I think a 3 color is usually used.

They use the 10W LEDs for FoC/Emerald but not for non-FoC setups. All Obsidian boards support FoC by default, but you'll need a new LED and the extra wire installed to the FoC lead to the board, but Ultrasabers can definitely upgrade that for you at a later time. It is more cost efficient to wait for what you want and order it like that, though.

Actually warranty's been expanded to a full year :)

Hey everyone,

I have an Emerald Guardian (amazing!), but now looking to pick up a new saber with the Obsidian Board only.  With the Emerald Driver, I've found some settings (see pic) that I like (for blade shimmer as well as FoC to Black with fast timing) and I was wondering if these settings could be pre-programmed into an Obsidian setup or if you had to order the Emerald for these effects?

For Blue, the Shimmer basically goes from B 255 to B 240 so it wouldn't need another LED.
Lockup/FoC is similar in timing but goes between B 255 and B 0 (basically on and off).

(http://media1000.dropshots.com/photos/1254638/20150225/b_120343.jpg)

Just curious as to what the pre-programmed FoC/Lockup seetings are for the Obsidian only option and whether or not they can be pre-programmed.

Thanks!

You need the Emerald Driver for both your Pulse and FoC settings shown in the Launcher. It can't be transferred or programmed into an Obsidian sound board. Obsidian-only setups have no Pulse feature and they limit you to certain FoC settings and colours (available colours depend on your main colour).

However, if you order a saber equipped with Emerald and Obsidian boards it could be possible to ship the saber with these settings if you tell US your desired settings and they agree to do so.

Thanks Racona...do you happen to also know the default settings for FoC that comes programmed with the Sound Only sabers?  Just want to program them into the Emerald to demo what it would look like so that I can decide (although I'll probably go for another Emerald!).

It's quite difficult to transfer that to the Emerald Driver due to the technical differences between the two boards. Only the Lockup Flash time could be used which is 52ms by default (this can be increased up to 24ms which is my setting and far more realistic), but I have no idea how high the "Play x Times" settings is. What I remember is that my sabers only flashed once per impact, so I think that the built-in "Play x Times" setting is simply 1.

Thanks

 I have a question also, would anyone happen to have a blade in SY with flash on clash? I was unsure how visible the flash on clash would be with SY, I know that i'd like FoC, but i don't think i can justify the price difference between FoC and emerald just for a single colour.

 Thanks in advance!

I happen to have similar colour settings on my Emerald saber with the darker P(yrestone) O(range) as main colour and a true yellow taken from the colour picker in the Launcher. SY is a bit paler than my yellow AFAIK, so an AS FoC would not be that visible. I tend to vote for FO as FoC colour when choosing SY as main colour.

 Thank you for that Racona, good to know, i'd much rather spend on FoC than on emerald if i don't plan on changing the main colour!
   For some reason i was thinking of it in a Bellicose, with a gold button of course  ;)

Now that would be a nice combo, really looking forward to your review if you should decide on that setup ;)

Oh definitely, i never gave the Bellicose much of a second glance until recently, but it's grown on me rapidly (especially at that price point)  ;D

This message is about 6 months old so you've likely already decided.  On a standard LED saber with sound you have to pick something that has enough of a difference to stand out.  My SY saber flashes to Adegan Silver.  This works and is definitely noticeable.   My Archon was orange with flash to SY, and the difference was so small that it was barely noticeable.  I wound up swapping the Archon's LED module for Sunrider's Destiny with Silver FoC and that works great.  Silver FoC works great with just about anything.  If you have Silver as your main blade color, then red & blue work well for FoC.

FoC on a standard saber is $35 & that's 1/3rd the cost of going Emerald.  Then you can change color/FoC colors at will without limitation, plus have the pulse effect.   Something I noticed cool in the Emerald FoC settings is you can set it for minimum duration with 2-3 quick flashes.  Very cool gives a lightning strike effect.

Hello! I have a question, is it possible to turn the flashing off when I'll move my lightsaber and there will be sounds coming?

Hi :) It's of course possible to turn off the FoC feature. You need the UltraSabersLauncher which can be downloaded from here (Mac) (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=23236.0) or here (Windows) (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=23237.0) and a mini-USB cable (NOT micro-USB).

1) Install the launcher with administrator rights (for Windows 7: right-click the installer, choose "Run as Administrator")
2) Turn your saber on, connect it with the USB cable (use a USB 2.0 port). Wait for the driver(s) to be installed!
3) Run the launcher, again with admin rights (for Windows 7: right-click, Properties, Compatibility, check "Run program as Administrator" - then it always runs with admin rights once you double-click the icon).
4) After finishing your actions, close the launcher first! Then unplug your saber.

It's important to do this with full batteries! Also, stick to that sequence! Otherwise you may encounter issues like sound board malfunction.

Hello there
I have a "Dark Catalyst" almost 1y now.
I did a lot of upgrades with different parts and now I will add an QuadRebel RRRW LED.
That means, 3xRed LED as blade colour and 1xwhite for FOC.

My question:
Does the FOC Setting on the Obsidian turn off the main LED and turn on the FOC colour, or does it just turn on the FOC colour in addition?
Because that would suck for my purpose  :-[

You're in luck. The Obsidian has two Voltage in pins - one for the main and the other for FoC. The clash sensor swaps V1 for V2, so your main shuts off so the FoC can shine as intended. Sounds like your idea is going to work!

So... hypothetically, if I didn't understand how FOC worked, and, hypothetically thought that having a GB saber with GB FOC would just make it flash brighter when I ordered... what color FOC are the sabertechs likely to add (while I am hypothetically waiting arrival of my first saber)?

The most likely colour will be Adegan Silver, that's more or less the "universal" FoC colour for any saber colour - except Adegan Silver itself ;)

Can someone please confirm Deep's first post with the summary table of combinations for this thread is still currently applicable? Thanks.

Yes it is.  Just let us know your potential plans and members can tell you if the flash color that you are thinking of will look good and be distinguishable or not so much.  Also if you want to stay truer to a Cannon saber then the flash should be silver-white.  I like to have really bold and striking flashes.  It can be difficult to decide and some colors have limited choices on the summary table.   :)

Thanks! From all my readings so far, it seems AS is the "standard" safe option offering decent contrast for all blade colors. The exceptions are AS itself obviously and Fire Orange, is this a fair comment? Fire Orange blade color goes best with Blazing Red as FoC?

I won't say that orange is the best flash for red but a nice subtler effect.  Yellow is better.  White is still really good but can take on a pinker hue.  The core color on the blade will still flash white.  That's why many choose a violet amethyst, dark violet amethyst or a bright magenta-rose Banes Heart.   Unless you have an Emerald driver it generally is best to stay away from the blended colors for a flash.  :)

OOPS.  Got the colors reversed.  Red is a strong flash.  White can make the orange seem like a creamsicle so not offered as a flash.  Pyrestone orange may not have enough contrast.  If choosing this moderate blood-orange flash then might as well do the red for a real sithy look.   8)

Thanks, that all makes very good reasoning to me!  :)

Would Hot Pink as a blade color match with Silver FoC? Hot Pink is a color not listed in the summary table on page one.

Hi.  Hot Pink would fall under the category of Bane's heart.  Only comes with the Adegan Silver FoC.  The contrast will make for a super bright blade.   :o   I'm all for HP as an LED color choice.  Think bubblegum delicious.  Just yummy !   :D

I think the White LED would be used in a HP LED. Emerald would be the way to have this cake and eat it too.

Note to Ultrasabers: Seeing an Emerald saber live on Skype once was more amazing than reading pages upon pages of text with HQ photos. Consider me an Emerald fan after one was demonstrated to me. Holy. Cow.

Oh yes, I was sold on that thing right after watching Emory's intro videos! I think at least one Emerald saber must always be part of an Ultrasabers collection, otherwise it's not complete ;D

So 2 questions. And I apologize if it's been asked on previous pages, but it's late and I work early in the morning so reading 14 pages of forum posts sounds...exhausting. I ordered a Dark Initiate V4 with premium sound. Will I be able to turn on FoC with the launcher on my own? And will it have the pulse option? Obviously in the compatible colour options.

It only has the Pulse Mode when you ordered it with the Emerald Driver. Otherwise no, Pulse Mode can't be activated on a non-Emerald saber. But when you equipped your saber with FoC during your order, then you will be able to turn FoC on and off via the launcher. However, you're not able to change the FoC colour, it will stay what it was when you initially chose your FoC colour.

Racona Nova beat me to it, as i was taking a screen shot, yeah pulse only achieved with emerald. But since i already loaded the screenshot, heres the launcher " Highlighted" just uncheck the box and save then it can be activated or de-activated (http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o488/Bulvoy/Ultrasabers/set%20up%20foc%20on-off_zpslfhzel4m.jpg) (http://s1144.photobucket.com/user/Bulvoy/media/Ultrasabers/set%20up%20foc%20on-off_zpslfhzel4m.jpg.html)

Sorry ;D

Appreciation point to Racona and Bulvoy for the helpful information.  Always more understandable and easier to remember with clear direction and supporting photo/video.   :D

OK so pulse is Emerald only. And I understand turning FoC on and off if you chose to turn it on when ordering and not changing the colour, but what about turning it on AFTER the order and having forgotten to add FoC at time of purchase? Or is it stuck with no FoC unless I send it back?

Hi.  I'll reply to what I think you are asking.  To get the FoC feature or add on, you must purchase an Obsidian sound board.  The extra features such as the pulse/flicker are part of the Emerald color driver.

The FoC is an additional cost to the base level sound board and is wired in during your initial purchase.  Here are the different ways that you can get the FoC.

1.  Obs. LITE.  Can have flash option but this simple board cannot be connected to a computer program to make any changes.

2.  Obs. v3 + v4.  Can be connected to US launcher.  Will not be able to change main blade and FoC colors unless there is the suitable Emerald capabilities.  But the FoC can be turned on and off.

3.  Quick disconnect LED that has the FoC installed.  The flash can be disconnected or not connected when changing out the LED to another main blade color.  The initial saber electronics must have the FoC capability installed.

So after all that explanation, the bottom line is to get the flash with the initial setup.  You would have to contact US to see if a flash add on can be done and if it is cost effective.  Sometimes getting a new saber is the better choice.   :)

If you have experience in basic electronics (wiring, resistors, circuits), you can add that yourself even after the purchase. However, it's always better to let US do that upgrade because it's under warranty then.

So I'm a little confused by the chart, can someone explain? I'm guessing the blade color is the one on the left and if it has an x in a color column that means that your saber cannot flash on clash in that color?

If you undo the X the Flash on Clash is Enabled, which means it will not work unless you put the X back in it's spot. I think that's what your asking.

Haha I'm still confused. My current understanding is that the rows on the left indicate your original blade color and the columns on the top indicate flash on clash colors. For example, if you had a red blade there is an X in the orange column, which means you can't get orange flash in a red blade. Is this correct?

I'm sorry I guess I'm not sure what chart your referring to.  Are you talking about the Emerald driver? The above chart is on the Obsidian.

Oh i see, Yes your correct!

Alright cool! Thanks!

So this may be an obvious question with an even more obvious answer but, WHY CAN'T I GET BH AS MY FoC COLOUR WITH VA?!(unless using the Emerald driver)

Hi, hello from Spain.
I just buy a Manticore Saber with an obsidian board, i think its the older versión v2, because only runs with the v3 launcher, but i have a problema, i dont be able to set on the Flash on Clash, how can i do to enjoy this feature.
When i receive my saber it Works perfectly but one time i connect to the launcher, to change some parameters, the FOC dont work .
probably i change something but i dont know,  can you help  me please?
Regards,

I received my ultrasaber today and it is beautiful. However, after a random number of hits the clash sounds and flash on clash stop working. The motion and hum sounds still work even after the clash sounds stop. Anyone know how can I fix this? Thanks.

I have my Prophecy V3 with guardian blue with silver flash on clash

this chart need to be updated

Why do you think it needs an update?

it don't have Hot Pink or Emerald green on the chart

Oh, yeah, you're right. Haven't used the chart for a long time, didn't noticed that! Point ;)

Do u guys think that silver to silver(FoC) will be visible? :-\ ::) ???



Hi guys I have a concern just now(lol) I ordered a saber w/ flash on clash, and the blade That I ordered is silver and the FoC is silver too. Do u think it'll match? or does anyone of u guys did the same like guardian blue blade & FoC? If ever can anyone show me a clip or review on it? & if ever can they change the foc to arctic blue?



Thanks saber forum/family!  8)

May the force be with you!

US will definitely change that to a colour that will be available and visible. A good choice would have been Arctic Blue, I think that's what the technicians will also choose.

Hi.  You won't be able to have a silver FoC  with an AS blade.  US will put on a default color which lately has been GB unless you quickly contact them.  There are multiple color choices on the FoC chart for a silver main LED.  Contact US with your order # at ultrasabers@shipping.com  .

I have an AS with a GB flash.  My preference in hindsight would have been something more striking and different, but other members like the more icy look of this combination.  AB would be a nice subtle combo as well.   :)

YES! thanks a lot! Marlena told me that she changed the foc to arctic blue already!stoked! ordered a prophecy & i cant wait to duel w/ it :) :) :) :) :)


tyvm! may the force be with you!

Hello! yea i thought so. thanks for the tip Dauntless, i realized (and just as u said it) that putting the same color of the blade and the foc wont work, luckily my orders is out of stock in the moment,. thank you so much for the help! ;D :D:) do u have a review of your AS w/ foc GB?

You are welcome.  I have not done any video reviews.  My next order will be similar to yours.  A silver Prophecy with AS blade.  If you get the AB flash it will look really sleek and smashing.   :)   Here's a point for having such good taste.   ;)

EDIT:  Oops, sorry but didn't see your neutral request.  Will give a ds point later to cancel it.

Flash on clash is great a must have on all sabers well worth the money highly recommended

I was just looking at this chart. (planning a down the road when I have more money purchase)  I have a question.  If Sunrider's Destiny can FoC to Arctic Blue, why can't Arctic Blue FoC to Sunrider's Destiny?  Clearly, they use the same LED setup, or you couldn't get SD to flash to AB.

Sorry for the necropost but I am also wondering something similar, can SRD have CG for an FOC?

Hi.  Unfortunately not... just silver or AB.  I have a saber with SRD as the main LED and an AB flash.  The FoC is noticeable and the combo is lovely.  A softer color combo that goes well with both silver and black anodized sabers.

I would imagine that a CG flash would overpower the SRD.  Not sure what green color would be produced.  :)