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Title: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Saso Is-kor on October 09, 2018, 07:55:54 PM
I thought this might be a fun little thread.

The Star Wars universe is chock full of epic lightsaber duels, the movies have them, the cartoons have some good ones, even the novels contain some epics. So what's your favorite duel that actually never happened? Qui-Gon Jinn was a rebellious student of Master Dooku, what if the long-haired and blunt Jedi Master had survived Episode 1, only to eventually duel his former master?

Before meeting his demise, Darth Maul was an aging part-man, part-machine Sith, not unlike the feared figure in black, Darth Vader. What if Maul had sought to take his rightful place at his old master's side by disposing of Vader in a clash of crimson lightsabers?

Post up some cool ones, the more juicy details... the better!


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 10, 2018, 05:46:13 AM
I'm actually pretty sure Maul faced Vader sometime between Solo and when we see him in Rebels.   Maul wasn't trying to hide anymore since he willingly showed himself to the Inquisitors, plus he knew he could best them....he already had killed one and took their saber.  But he was intent on getting off malachor V before " The Emperor's Creature" (as he called Vader) showed up.  So I imagine Vader nearly killed him.   

Anakin VS Palpatine.  What if Anakin had not turned to the Dark Side..but engaged Palpatine in a Duel along side Mace.  All three used rather aggressive styles of combat so it would have been a hell of a fight.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Logos on October 10, 2018, 07:17:21 AM
I thought this might be a fun little thread.

The Star Wars universe is chock full of epic lightsaber duels, the movies have them, the cartoons have some good ones, even the novels contain some epics. So what's your favorite duel that actually never happened? Qui-Gon Jinn was a rebellious student of Master Dooku, what if the long-haired and blunt Jedi Master had survived Episode 1, only to eventually duel his former master?

Before meeting his demise, Darth Maul was an aging part-man, part-machine Sith, not unlike the feared figure in black, Darth Vader. What if Maul had sought to take his rightful place at his old master's side by disposing of Vader in a clash of crimson lightsabers?

Post up some cool ones, the more juicy details... the better!
QGJ v. DT - that would be an interesting fight, but I think Dooku would have easily won.

Maul v. Vader: I don't see this ever coming to be for these reasons. After TPM, Maul was pretty much a creature of revenge; as is evidenced in his vendetta against Kenobi. But he also had it out for Sidious as well, for casting him aside. From what I gleaned from TCW, Maul wanted Sidious dead in the worst way. Now Vader being in the way of this end I can see a fight breaking out.


I'm actually pretty sure Maul faced Vader sometime between Solo and when we see him in Rebels.   Maul wasn't trying to hide anymore since he willingly showed himself to the Inquisitors, plus he knew he could best them....he already had killed one and took their saber.  But he was intent on getting off malachor V before " The Emperor's Creature" (as he called Vader) showed up.  So I imagine Vader nearly killed him. 
Ummmm..... ::) I don't recall any Inq.s making it off Malachor V in the S2 finale. So what did I miss in "Maul's reveal to the Inq.s"?



For my dream fight, I'd like to see Darth Malgus v. Mace Windu. I just think that would be a fight for the ages.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 10, 2018, 07:25:27 AM
QGJ v. DT - that would be an interesting fight, but I think Dooku would have easily won.

Maul v. Vader: I don't see this ever coming to be for these reasons. After TPM, Maul was pretty much a creature of revenge; as is evidenced in his vendetta against Kenobi. But he also had it out for Sidious as well, for casting him aside. From what I gleaned from TCW, Maul wanted Sidious dead in the worst way. Now Vader being in the way of this end I can see a fight breaking out.

Ummmm..... ::) I don't recall any Inq.s making it off Malachor V in the S2 finale. So what did I miss in "Maul's reveal to the Inq.s"?



For my dream fight, I'd like to see Darth Malgus v. Mace Windu. I just think that would be a fight for the ages.

That's what I mean,  Maul wasn't trying to avoid the Inquisitors on Malachor V because he knew they wouldn't leave alive.  But he was intent of getting off himself before Vader arrived.  To me that says he wasn't to keen on facing him and perhaps had faced him before.   Looking at Solo Maul is in charge of major Crime Syndicate...then just a few scant years later in Rebels he seems to have nothing.  The Emperor would regularly wipe out crime syndicates if they were a threat and I'm pretty sure Maul was causing trouble.  Not far fetched to think Vader paid him a visit.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Infinit01 on October 10, 2018, 07:32:40 AM
I say Mara Jade and Luke Skywalker when they first met with her being a smuggler and having a hatred towards Luke along with still abiding by the Emperor's last words to her which was "Kill Luke Skywalker".  I imagine that Luke will best her and the scenes will be the opposite of him fighting Vader who tried to recruit him to the Dark side telling him to give into his anger and use the full potential of the Dark side so that he can join him and become his Dark Apprentice while fighting them but this time, Luke is trying to being her out of the Dark side and into the Light as well as trying to understanding why she hates him.  I think that Luke will tell her to let go of the Dark side and the past and even telling her that he had no hand in killing the Emperor and the man responsible for the death of the Emperor is his father, Darth Vader.  The conflict in Mara Jade brings out her anger and she aggressively tries to kill Luke after hearing those words and fighting within herself as to know believe anything this Jedi is saying. She then swings and strikes back to back, trying to kill this man before her, the man that the Emperor himself ordered her to kill to fulfill and complete her mission but he keeps parrying or ducking out of the way.  He eventually closes in on her using her own anger against her and blocks a deadly blow and disables her lightsaber while extinguishing his showing her mercy and telling her that he has no intentions on killing her since it's not the Jedi way.


Obi Wan and the Emperor. I think that would of been a pretty epic battle maybe taking place between episode 3 and 4 when the Emperor ventured out of his confinements without Vader following him and gets greeted by the former General himself.  I think Obi Wan would more than likely bested the Emperor since he's a Jedi with more combat experience while the Emperor's more political and plots assassination while the victim is asleep or he hires someone to do his dirty work.  The battle would drag on with the Emperor using Force lightning and trying to hurl objects at Obi Wan but Obi Wan will either deflect the objects or cut them in half with his saber closing in the Emperor.  Eventually, Obi Wan will best him in saber and close quarter combat and Obi Wan can do anything further, the Emperor has a hidden switch of some sort that will alert his personal guards along with a garrison of Troopers driving Obi Wan to escape.  

General Grievous and all of the Jedi that he killed when building his lightsaber collection(I know some of them are in Clone Wars).  I would like to see a more detailed version of how Dooku trained and taught Grevious saber combat and how he gained his collection one at a time with slaying Jedi after Jedi. I can imagine few padawans and masters thinking that they had the upper hand due to Grievous not having any type of Force sensitivity or training to their knowledge but fell to their demise by Grievous' hand(s).  I also don't think that Grievous would of fought fairly at times and would have a few droids interfere in a fight with the Jedi or two in case he got bested in combat or the Jedi is about to kill him then he would regain himself and go in for the kill.  This isn't to say that he did kill Jedi on his own, in which he did.

These are all my visions of course and most may think of the opposite but these are my scenarios of fights that I think would happen. 


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Edon Bluewolf on October 10, 2018, 07:51:35 AM
I would like to see Grievous vs Maul


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Logos on October 10, 2018, 08:00:14 AM
That's what I mean,  Maul wasn't trying to avoid the Inquisitors on Malachor V because he knew they wouldn't leave alive.  But he was intent of getting off himself before Vader arrived.  To me that says he wasn't to keen on facing him and perhaps had faced him before.   Looking at Solo Maul is in charge of major Crime Syndicate...then just a few scant years later in Rebels he seems to have nothing.  The Emperor would regularly wipe out crime syndicates if they were a threat and I'm pretty sure Maul was causing trouble.  Not far fetched to think Vader paid him a visit.
Actually, Solo takes place between S3 and his eventual fall to Kenobi on Tatooine. I did get to see to first half of S3 when he took over the Crimson Dawn.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Saso Is-kor on October 10, 2018, 09:38:09 AM
I would like to see Grievous vs Maul

That'd be cool!


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 10, 2018, 09:45:20 AM
Actually, Solo takes place between S3 and his eventual fall to Kenobi on Tatooine. I did get to see to first half of S3 when he took over the Crimson Dawn.

Hmm, every source I've seen has Solo listed as 10 BBY...5 years before Rebels Season 1.  Season 2 of Rebels takes place a year later or so, so when we see Maul on Malachor V, its been about 6 years since his appearance in Solo. 


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Saso Is-kor on October 10, 2018, 09:50:03 AM
Actually, Solo takes place between S3 and his eventual fall to Kenobi on Tatooine. I did get to see to first half of S3 when he took over the Crimson Dawn.

Season 3 of Rebels?? I don't remember anything about Crimson Dawn being the series, I thought they hadn't actually come up with the whole concept yet at that point.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Logos on October 10, 2018, 10:10:28 AM
Hmm, every source I've seen has Solo listed as 10 BBY...5 years before Rebels Season 1.  Season 2 of Rebels takes place a year later or so, so when we see Maul on Malachor V, its been about 6 years since his appearance in Solo. 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Maul never uses a saber staff in TCW, yes? I distinctly remember a scene where Maul busts in on the C.D. higher-ups, spin-throws a saber staff down the length of the table, decapitating all the council members, and takes over. This was in SWR, correct?


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Golden Fedora on October 10, 2018, 10:47:58 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Maul never uses a saber staff in TCW, yes? I distinctly remember a scene where Maul busts in on the C.D. higher-ups, spin-throws a saber staff down the length of the table, decapitating all the council members, and takes over. This was in SWR, correct?

that was the black sun in TCW(Maul's mandalore arc), and Savage Opress threw that saber


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Infinit01 on October 10, 2018, 10:52:19 AM
that was the black sun in TCW(Maul's mandalore arc), and Savage Opress threw that saber

Yes, if I remembered correctly, he had his single saber until Rebels, correct? Haven't seen Rebels yet so not sure when he got the saber from an inquisitor.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 10, 2018, 11:05:51 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Maul never uses a saber staff in TCW, yes? I distinctly remember a scene where Maul busts in on the C.D. higher-ups, spin-throws a saber staff down the length of the table, decapitating all the council members, and takes over. This was in SWR, correct?

As GF said, that was The Black Sun (straight out of the old EU) and Savage threw the saber.  Crimson Dawn wasn't formed until after the Clone Wars


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Logos on October 10, 2018, 11:18:28 AM
that was the black sun in TCW(Maul's mandalore arc), and Savage Opress threw that saber
Ok, a Zabrak threw a saber staff, and killed many. (Thought I remembered a lacky) So if he took out Black Sun, why is he the head of Crimson Dawn? Reorganization & name change?

Yes, if I remembered correctly, he had his single saber until Rebels, correct? Haven't seen Rebels yet so not sure when he got the saber from an inquisitor.
Never explains. He just has a saber, that bears a suspicious resemblance to the Grand Inq's saber (minus dummy ring).....which should have been destroyer in a star destroyer explosion. :-\

Points to all for refreshing my memory.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Infinit01 on October 10, 2018, 11:38:26 AM
Ok, a Zabrak threw a saber staff, and killed many. (Thought I remembered a lacky) So if he took out Black Sun, why is he the head of Crimson Dawn? Reorganization & name change?
Never explains. He just has a saber, that bears a suspicious resemblance to the Grand Inq's saber (minus dummy ring).....which should have been destroyer in a star destroyer explosion. :-\

Points to all for refreshing my memory.


No it doesn't, I pretty much read up on side stories and found channels like this one below which are fan theories of course but they put it together rather than leaving things unexplained like the current Disney canon

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68oU9FdTmOg#)


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 10, 2018, 11:47:16 AM
Ok, a Zabrak threw a saber staff, and killed many. (Thought I remembered a lacky) So if he took out Black Sun, why is he the head of Crimson Dawn? Reorganization & name change?
Never explains. He just has a saber, that bears a suspicious resemblance to the Grand Inq's saber (minus dummy ring).....which should have been destroyer in a star destroyer explosion. :-\

Points to all for refreshing my memory.

Crimson Dawn is the recombined elements of his coalition.  Remember he had more than just Black Sun at his beck and call.  That saber design is standard for all Inquisitors.  He must have killed one and took their saber


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Saso Is-kor on October 10, 2018, 12:39:40 PM
With Clone Wars coming back we'll probably see a bit more of Maul, there were echoes of him in the kid's novel Ahsoka but it was just partial flashback stuff, nothing substantial.

I don't know how many of you have read the Darth Bane novels but Bane comes across as a rabid, hard-hitting kind of duelist. I can't think of another beefy duelist other than the crazy Pong Krell. They're about the same size and that would make a sick match up.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 10, 2018, 12:49:54 PM
With Clone Wars coming back we'll probably see a bit more of Maul, there were echoes of him in the kid's novel Ahsoka but it was just partial flashback stuff, nothing substantial.

I don't know how many of you have read the Darth Bane novels but Bane comes across as a rabid, hard-hitting kind of duelist. I can't think of another beefy duelist other than the crazy Pong Krell. They're about the same size and that would make a sick match up.

Both Malgus and Vader are the same way.  Malgus was relentless.  By the Force I want to see him in a film voiced by Cumberbatch but played by Halphtor (The Mountain from GOT)


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Golden Fedora on October 10, 2018, 01:22:19 PM
In RotS if Mace had sensed what Anakin was about to do and Mace and Anakin went at it. That woul have been friggin epic!


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Logos on October 10, 2018, 01:22:43 PM
Crimson Dawn is the recombined elements of his coalition.  Remember he had more than just Black Sun at his beck and call. 
No, I didn't remember.

Quote
That saber design is standard for all Inquisitors.  He must have killed one and took their saber
Grand Inq.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/e/e3/Rise_of_the_Old_Masters_Concept_Art_06.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141028031854)

8th Bro.
(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/reb_ca_1489_a211ebb1.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1280%2C888)

7th Sis
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/c/ca/SeventhSistersLightsaber.png/revision/latest?cb=20160110120711)

Not standard issues, despite similar construction.

Now here's Maul's "new" saber.

(https://i.redd.it/zymgs95djv011.jpg)

Sorry I01. But your video's theory is mistaken.


I don't know how many of you have read the Darth Bane novels but Bane comes across as a rabid, hard-hitting kind of duelist. I can't think of another beefy duelist other than the crazy Pong Krell. They're about the same size and that would make a sick match up.
A beast for sure, but by no means rabid. He was calculating and precise, just very powerful, both physically and within the Force.

Both Malgus and Vader are the same way.  Malgus was relentless.  By the Force I want to see him in a film voiced by Cumberbatch but played by Halphtor (The Mountain from GOT)
I vote for Dave Bautista or Vin Diesel.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 10, 2018, 03:09:49 PM


A beast for sure, but by no means rabid. He was calculating and precise, just very powerful, both physically and within the Force.
I vote for Dave Bautista or Vin Diesel.

Hmm..how about the Kurgan himself Clancy Brown.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Infinit01 on October 10, 2018, 03:53:12 PM
Hey there, Dutch. The video was just an example, a bad one I must say.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 10, 2018, 06:29:59 PM
hmm interesting tidbit here... good thing the actors pay attention since the film makers obviously dont :P

In an interview with The Star Wars Show, Sam Witwer explained that the production of Solo: A Star Wars Story had originally planned to reintroduce Maul's original lightsaber during his scene with Qi'ra. Witwer, who had voiced the character in his later appearance in Star Wars Rebels, suggested that they should use another lightsaber associated with Maul; either the Darksaber or his Rebels lightsaber. Eventually, it was decided to use the latter, as possessing an Inquisitor's lightsaber would suggest that Maul was being hunted by the Empire


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Infinit01 on October 10, 2018, 06:59:38 PM
hmm interesting tidbit here... good thing the actors pay attention since the film makers obviously dont :P

In an interview with The Star Wars Show, Sam Witwer explained that the production of Solo: A Star Wars Story had originally planned to reintroduce Maul's original lightsaber during his scene with Qi'ra. Witwer, who had voiced the character in his later appearance in Star Wars Rebels, suggested that they should use another lightsaber associated with Maul; either the Darksaber or his Rebels lightsaber. Eventually, it was decided to use the latter, as possessing an Inquisitor's lightsaber would suggest that Maul was being hunted by the Empire

Interesting tidbit there, Tepes. Itís good to know about Maul and Sam Witwer, have a point


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Logos on October 11, 2018, 07:46:05 AM
Hmm..how about the Kurgan himself Clancy Brown.
Technically.....Google has a rumor that Dave is slated to reprise the role....the Kurgan still stands with my recommendation. Plus everyone already easily recognize his voice as Savage O. And I know that the argument about Sam Witwer is coming that he does Maul and SK (and also the Emperor in TFU), but Sam changed it significantly for each role. But Clancy gets paid because people want that awesome bass voice of his. And it is awesome.

(https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2015/02/kurrgan-batista-600x400.jpg)

Plus he already has the physical presence to fill the role. I'm just not sure how he can handle a saber.

As Vin, I just love his voice. I always thought the original voice for Malgus was too nasally.

Interesting tidbit there, Tepes. Itís good to know about Maul and Sam Witwer, have a point
That just shows how much Saw loves Star Wars. (Plus....he has the same initials. ;D)


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 11, 2018, 11:06:57 AM
Technically.....Google has a rumor that Dave is slated to reprise the role....the Kurgan still stands with my recommendation. Plus everyone already easily recognize his voice as Savage O. And I know that the argument about Sam Witwer is coming that he does Maul and SK (and also the Emperor in TFU), but Sam changed it significantly for each role. But Clancy gets paid because people want that awesome bass voice of his. And it is awesome.

(https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2015/02/kurrgan-batista-600x400.jpg)

Plus he already has the physical presence to fill the role. I'm just not sure how he can handle a saber.

As Vin, I just love his voice. I always thought the original voice for Malgus was too nasally.
That just shows how much Saw loves Star Wars. (Plus....he has the same initials. ;D)

Ye that rumor about Batuista has been around a while...the Highlander reboot has been in development hell for a while now.  While I like Vin and Bautista...imo...neither have the gravitas Malgus has.   You mean the voice from the Cut scene or Audio book?


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Logos on October 11, 2018, 11:17:08 AM
Ye that rumor about Batuista has been around a while...the Highlander reboot has been in development hell for a while now.  While I like Vin and Bautista...imo...neither have the gravitas Malgus has.   You mean the voice from the Cut scene or Audio book?
Promo movies. Not really sure what you mean by gravitas. Acting chops?


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 11, 2018, 12:55:16 PM
Promo movies. Not really sure what you mean by gravitas. Acting chops?

Perhaps not the best word for it.  Presence would be better.  Basically, When I see Vin and Bautista..I see a couple of tough guys who I have no doubt could handle themselves.  Malgus is much more.  Much like Vader when he walks into a room everyone should instantly fear him.  Vin and Dave, to me, don't have that.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Logos on October 11, 2018, 01:56:35 PM
Perhaps not the best word for it.  Presence would be better.  Basically, When I see Vin and Bautista..I see a couple of tough guys who I have no doubt could handle themselves.  Malgus is much more.  Much like Vader when he walks into a room everyone should instantly fear him.  Vin and Dave, to me, don't have that.
Oh. I get that from Vin just watching the Riddick movies.

Plus look at the facial resemblance.
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/ee87/th/pre/f/2012/055/a/1/darth_malgus_by_skywita-d4qudfz.jpg)(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/vin-diesel-2.jpg)

Tell me Malgus' design wasn't based on Vin.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Edon Bluewolf on October 11, 2018, 04:02:22 PM
Pretty good side by side comparison there DL. 

The Darth Bane books are next on my reading list Saso, so many have recommended I am very much looking forward to them just hard to find the time.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Obese Wan Kenobese on October 11, 2018, 06:56:44 PM
Darth Scourge turned against Revan when they were planning to face the Sith Emperor together. I'd like it if Scourge didn't wuss out of that fight. Together, they defeat The Emperor. Revan takes over as the leader of the Sith, teaching his Jedi and Sith Apprentices, ushering in a new era of Sith with different knowledge and rules.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Logos on October 12, 2018, 05:28:45 AM
Pretty good side by side comparison there DL. 

The Darth Bane books are next on my reading list Saso, so many have recommended I am very much looking forward to them just hard to find the time.
You will be so sad that they aren't canon any longer. :(


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Infinit01 on October 12, 2018, 07:17:29 AM
StarKiller versus Kylo Ren. To me, StarKiller will take Kylo out with Kylo putting up a good fight but with StarKillerís background of being trained by Vader himself and then General Kota among his own experience fighting, heíll overtake Kylo with saber combat alone but adding his skills with a force powers, Kylo will be in over his head. I also donít think that Kylo would be able to match StarKillers fighting style either


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 12, 2018, 08:47:19 AM
StarKiller versus Kylo Ren. To me, StarKiller will take Kylo out with Kylo putting up a good fight but with StarKillerís background of being trained by Vader himself and then General Kota among his own experience fighting, heíll overtake Kylo with saber combat alone but adding his skills with a force powers, Kylo will be in over his head. I also donít think that Kylo would be able to match StarKillers fighting style either

In the end, no matter how powerful Kylo is...he has very little experience in one on one saber combat..per out discussion about training the other day.  Saw a good example of this in the Power Rangers comic.  Tommy faced off against his Evil counterpart from another dimension (Lord Drakkon).  While Drakkon had amassed power and used it to conquer, Tommy had kept training and using his skills over his power.  When it came down to a hand to hand fight..Tommy easily won.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Logos on October 12, 2018, 09:06:34 AM
StarKiller versus Kylo Ren. To me, StarKiller will take Kylo out with Kylo putting up a good fight but with StarKillerís background of being trained by Vader himself and then General Kota among his own experience fighting, heíll overtake Kylo with saber combat alone but adding his skills with a force powers, Kylo will be in over his head. I also donít think that Kylo would be able to match StarKillers fighting style either
Skill vs. skill, or power vs. power; the result is the same: (unbiased by canon favoritism) Starkiller outclasses Ren in every aspect. Of course SK was trained by a true master of the dark side.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 12, 2018, 09:12:32 AM
Skill vs. skill, or power vs. power; the result is the same: (unbiased by canon favoritism) Starkiller outclasses Ren in every aspect. Of course SK was trained by a true master of the dark side.

I feel Kylo has just as much raw (not to quote snoke Hefner directly) power as SK.  But, as we've all said...One was trained by Vader...the other was trained by....whatever snoke was


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Logos on October 12, 2018, 09:31:58 AM
I feel Kylo has just as much raw (not to quote snoke Hefner directly) power as SK.  But, as we've all said...One was trained by Vader...the other was trained by....whatever snoke was
Raw power is one thing, ability to control it is another. Even if Ren is more powerful, he continually shows that hasn't learned how to control it. SK on the other hand does know control, and in my mind that makes him more powerful.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: For Tyeth on October 12, 2018, 10:06:25 AM
Raw power is one thing, ability to control it is another. Even if Ren is more powerful, he continually shows that hasn't learned how to control it. SK on the other hand does know control, and in my mind that makes him more powerful.

This is soo true, even in real life. There apparently is lightsaber combat championship tournament in the USA and one particular person I know of took part.
He was bragging about how he won the previous year and how he was gonna defend his title by having this grand weight lifting and strength building regime to prepare.
He was gonna win cos he had "greater reach and strength to overwhelm my opponent" then he got his backside handed to him as his opponent ran rings round him with superior technique.

I laughed soo hard when I heard he became a Number Two.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Silenoz on October 12, 2018, 10:22:47 AM
Raw power is one thing, ability to control it is another. Even if Ren is more powerful, he continually shows that hasn't learned how to control it. SK on the other hand does know control, and in my mind that makes him more powerful.

This^. I'm one of the few people that actually like Ren, but come on, SK would mop the floor with him.

Shout outs to Snoke Hefner and Big Daddy Bane.  ;D


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 12, 2018, 10:59:42 AM
Raw power is one thing, ability to control it is another. Even if Ren is more powerful, he continually shows that hasn't learned how to control it. SK on the other hand does know control, and in my mind that makes him more powerful.

Of course.  Ren vs SK is the perfect example of how natural talent is useless without training to hone it.  Both were born with immense reserves of power...but SK had superior training.  I think we're all on the same pager about this match up.  Ok...Rey vs Mara Jade ;D


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Logos on October 12, 2018, 11:58:36 AM
Ok...Rey vs Mara Jade ;D
All depends on the writer. Are we going to Mary-Sue Rey? :P


Exar Kun vs. Darth Maul


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Silenoz on October 12, 2018, 12:00:35 PM
Of course.  Ren vs SK is the perfect example of how natural talent is useless without training to hone it.  Both were born with immense reserves of power...but SK had superior training.  I think we're all on the same pager about this match up.  Ok...Rey vs Mara Jade ;D

Wait!!!
Let me just get behind this blast shield before this debate starts...

O.K. GO!


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 12, 2018, 12:15:29 PM
All depends on the writer. Are we going to Mary-Sue Rey? :P




Rey as she is presented now :P   Not what she should have been *Cough* Jaina *Cough*



Exar Kun vs. Darth Maul

Hmm First to use the Double blade in Combat vs Most Famous Double Blade Wielder.   Close call considering as we've discussed, The Sith kept their skills up more than the Jedi did.  But, still in the End those of the OR era are still going to be more skilled I feel.  I give it to Kun.   All this talk of the OR makes me want to start a new Sith in SWTOR.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Infinit01 on October 12, 2018, 01:03:22 PM
In the end, no matter how powerful Kylo is...he has very little experience in one on one saber combat..per out discussion about training the other day.  Saw a good example of this in the Power Rangers comic.  Tommy faced off against his Evil counterpart from another dimension (Lord Drakkon).  While Drakkon had amassed power and used it to conquer, Tommy had kept training and using his skills over his power.  When it came down to a hand to hand fight..Tommy easily won.

Iím late into the mix.  SK outclasses Kylo in every way from skill, to experience, and knowing how to control and use his powers. SK also knew how to control his emotion and use it in battle.  Kylo, well, as we can see, Kylo doesnít. He let his emotions run amok and his training isnít from someone like Vader who had Jedi and Sith training and experience. Vadernknew how to harness the Dark side and taught SK the same techniques that he uses while Kylo was trained in whatever way that Snoke taught him. 

This^. I'm one of the few people that actually like Ren, but come on, SK would mop the floor with him.

Shout outs to Snoke Hefner and Big Daddy Bane.  ;D


I have nothing against Kylo and actually like the character. I just believe that heís no match to SK in combat


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Logos on October 12, 2018, 01:56:57 PM
Rey as she is presented now :P   Not what she should have been *Cough* Jaina *Cough*
WELL then. I guess Rey wins because she's uber powerful (despite never being taught how to control the Force) and she has mad saber skillz (despite never having combat lesson 1){and don't give me that crap about she knows how to fight with a staff}.

Iím late into the mix.  SK outclasses Kylo in every way from skill, to experience, and knowing how to control and use his powers. SK also knew how to control his emotion and use it in battle.  Kylo, well, as we can see, Kylo doesnít. He let his emotions run amok and his training isnít from someone like Vader who had Jedi and Sith training and experience. Vader knew how to harness the Dark side and taught SK the same techniques that he uses while Kylo was trained in whatever way that Snoke taught him. 
Exactly this.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 12, 2018, 02:07:09 PM
WELL then. I guess Rey wins because she's uber powerful (despite never being taught how to control the Force) and she has mad saber skillz (despite never having combat lesson 1){and don't give me that crap about she knows how to fight with a staff}.
Exactly this.

Like I've said before, her fight with Kylo was fine.  She was using the Saber with a lot of thrusts (like her staff) and every strike was countered by Kylo which would result in her running.  She only won when she opened herself to the Force, which I am pretty sure she accessed the Dark Side there.  But Ep 8 really kicked it up to stupid for me.  All of a sudden shes this Saber master.  The ONLY way I could see this explained is if she had a ability much like Quinlan Vos, which I suspected she had anyway because of her seeing the "memories" of the Saber, and she was channeling Anakin.   I can think of a million ways it could be explained...but I know if we get one...it won't make any sense.  Ugh.  Now I'm sad.  To SWTOR I go then.   

How about.....  Revan (Dark Side) vs Vader...or do we want the galaxy to stay intact :P


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Golden Fedora on October 15, 2018, 11:19:16 AM
How about.....  Revan (Dark Side) vs Vader...or do we want the galaxy to stay intact :P

screw continuity, I wanna see that.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Infinit01 on October 15, 2018, 11:39:25 AM
How about.....  Revan (Dark Side) vs Vader...or do we want the galaxy to stay intact :P

I vote for this epic Sith battle


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Golden Fedora on October 15, 2018, 12:22:03 PM
or we can go towards video game characters and have something like Arcann vs. Starkiller. That would be AWESOME!!


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 15, 2018, 12:22:37 PM
screw continuity, I wanna see that.

I meant intact in that..."Holy Crap these guys are going to rip the universe apart in their battle"


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Golden Fedora on October 15, 2018, 12:27:20 PM
ah, that probably would have happened anyway.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Karmack on October 15, 2018, 12:38:15 PM
I'd like to see Luke at his peak vs Palpatine...


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Golden Fedora on October 15, 2018, 12:42:50 PM
I'd like to see Luke at his peak vs Palpatine...

would Palps be using his sabers or his lightning? Luke vs. a CW era Palpatine would be cool.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 15, 2018, 01:01:08 PM
I'd like to see Luke at his peak vs Palpatine...

Luke (Grandmaster) was (I believe) so close to what the Jedi were during the Old Republic Era I think Papa Palpatine would have been thrown off guard quickly.  not and Easy win mind you but I have no doubt Luke would have won.  After all, Luke was taking on Multiple Sith Lords...and winning.  A favorite of mine.  Don't know which book, but Luke was dueling one sith lord when another leaped from behind, after a shout from Ben Luke pushed the one in front away, turned and grabbed the other out of the air and used him as a club against the one he was dueling.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Golden Fedora on October 15, 2018, 01:12:55 PM
Luke (Grandmaster) was (I believe) so close to what the Jedi were during the Old Republic Era I think Papa Palpatine would have been thrown off guard quickly.  not and Easy win mind you but I have no doubt Luke would have won.  After all, Luke was taking on Multiple Sith Lords...and winning.  A favorite of mine.  Don't know which book, but Luke was dueling one sith lord when another leaped from behind, after a shout from Ben Luke pushed the one in front away, turned and grabbed the other out of the air and used him as a club against the one he was dueling.

that sounds epic, what was that in?


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Tepes on October 15, 2018, 01:14:54 PM
that sounds epic, what was that in?

One of the last series that came out in the Old EU..I'll see if I can find the title


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Golden Fedora on October 15, 2018, 01:18:55 PM
One of the last series that came out in the Old EU..I'll see if I can find the title

Thanks, That sounds like a really good read.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Darth Logos on October 15, 2018, 01:33:50 PM
Like I've said before, her fight with Kylo was fine.  She was using the Saber with a lot of thrusts (like her staff) and every strike was countered by Kylo which would result in her running.  She only won when she opened herself to the Force, which I am pretty sure she accessed the Dark Side there.  But Ep 8 really kicked it up to stupid for me.  All of a sudden shes this Saber master.  The ONLY way I could see this explained is if she had a ability much like Quinlan Vos, which I suspected she had anyway because of her seeing the "memories" of the Saber, and she was channeling Anakin.   I can think of a million ways it could be explained...but I know if we get one...it won't make any sense.  Ugh.  Now I'm sad.  To SWTOR I go then.   
That could vaguely make sense.......if I were really really drunk.

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How about.....  Revan (Dark Side) vs Vader...or do we want the galaxy to stay intact :P
Vader-kin....before all the cybernetics and asthma problems.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Infinit01 on October 15, 2018, 01:35:01 PM
I think Arcaan vs SK would be good but I believe SK would take him in that Prince Arcaan fights himself and has internal wars within himself. Heís not completely confident in himself. SK has the raw power like Prince Arcaan but has no doubts in himself. He unleashes his raw power without hesitation nor pause when he was a Dark or Light Apprentice making him formidable despite what side heís on.  Also, SK really had nothing to lose whereas PA had everything to lose and each character fight as such.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: Golden Fedora on October 16, 2018, 05:20:57 AM
I think Arcaan vs SK would be good but I believe SK would take him in that Prince Arcaan fights himself and has internal wars within himself. Heís not completely confident in himself. SK has the raw power like Prince Arcaan but has no doubts in himself. He unleashes his raw power without hesitation nor pause when he was a Dark or Light Apprentice making him formidable despite what side heís on.  Also, SK really had nothing to lose whereas PA had everything to lose and each character fight as such.

I never knew a lot about Arcann so I was going off what I knew so...

I think it could be kind of equaled out if Arcann was told that if he lost, he would lose everything, so he would be fighting for more than his life, but for what he loves. (does he love anything?)


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: DarthProdigal on February 19, 2021, 06:08:27 PM
Just throwing this out there too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQQePvoVQ8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQQePvoVQ8#)

Since apparently there is a huge fan debate about Vader VS Xenomorphs.
I'd say (unlike the video) if the physics adhere to SW physics, then yeah it'd be an interesting battle instead. I could see Sith training against them like Predators do... as a test of worthiness and skill VS predatory and dangerous creatures. They'd fit pretty well in SW EU in some horrible way.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: JoleeBindo on February 19, 2021, 09:08:17 PM
Depends on how many XMs.  Vader could force crush a round half dozen at once, in his prime, I believe.  While simultaneously sabering down a few more. Vader really is horrifying powerful.  We've just gotten so used to seeing him that we forget that.



I also want to toss in a vote for Darth Jar Jar vs Hordak.


Title: Re: Best lightsaber duel that *never* happened!
Post by: DarthProdigal on February 19, 2021, 11:22:34 PM
Depends on how many XMs.  Vader could force crush a round half dozen at once, in his prime, I believe.  While simultaneously sabering down a few more. Vader really is horrifying powerful.  We've just gotten so used to seeing him that we forget that.

I also want to toss in a vote for Darth Jar Jar vs Hordak.

True, he doesn't even mention Force choking them, or simply basically snapping their necks with the Force in between tossing away waves of them... Not to mention even if (and it's a next level kind of IF) the physics of lightsabers "explode" enemies... then you have the lightsaber throw! You're a very safe distance away then.

But I can't quite find it in me to dignify the 2nd part with a legit reply... And I'm one to enjoy Darth Jar Jar in many lights. But sadly we have no data on his combat prowess outside of limited action in VS separatist droids. Dang it, you made me articulate some semblance of a reply...