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I’ve never watched this. I’m not sure why. But I’m enjoying the first season. However, I read that there were seasons 7 and 8 planned that never got slated by Disney after they took over. Am I going to be disappointed with how it all ends? Or does it continue to be anthology stories that are at least self contained within the completed seasons?

They're working on more episodes.

Yup.

TCW is my ultimate Star Wars, it's my favourite part of anything put on screen by the franchise.  I just love it, and I will confidently say it gets better going fwd from the first season.

Good find, haz!

How deep do you like your plot concepts?

Thanks, brother :)

Extremely deep.

And thanks for the update, guys. Glad they’ll be making more. Because so far this is a welcome addition to the prequel storyline and fleshes things out rather well :)

Haz...I’m not even finished with season one, but from what I have gleaned of the storyline, I can see those spoilers, especially Asoka. Wasn’t there a line in one of the films that mentioned Anakin losing his Padawan? But joining the clones looks VERY interesting indeed! Looking forward.

Seasons 1 and 2 are my least favorite. Starting at 3 they are absolutely amazing. Also, on one of you next watch throughs, I'd suggest watching them in chronological order. It makes even the stupid episodes that I despised on my first watch through bearable. Also, Logos is well known for disliking the show ( ;) ), so just know that even though he is loud about it, there are many many people on here who do like it. ;D

Thanks, Teag. Glad to know the best is yet to come.

Logos—I would totally like to hear your thoughts once I am a little further along with it. At this point, I probably wouldn’t be able to agree or disagree with you. But I appreciate strong opinions. In the long run, I expect I will find things to enjoy about the show even if it doesn’t live up to my expectations...because, hey, Star Wars, and secondly, the prequel stories is when I worked on some of the comics, so it will always have a certain place in my heart even though it has it’s flaws.

I've seen up to about halfway through season 3, back when I had Netflix. It really does get better as it goes. Ahsoka grows up a bit in season 3, which helps a lot, in my opinion. Also, while the show remained family friendly, it gets less childish. I mean, the first 2 seasons are good, but they really upped their game for 3.

I despised season 1 and tolerated season 2.  Season 3 and beyond are much better with the last "real" season being the best.  I almost stopped watching it after the first episode when Yoda had to sit down with the clone troopers and give them a "pep talk".  Really?  I honestly don't like any of the Yoda centered episodes.  But, my wife (who had already watched the entire series) promised it would get better.  I am excited about the new upcoming seasons.  It can't be any worse than "Resistance".  I find nothing enjoyable about that show but my wife insists on watching it.  

So the general consensus is season 3 is where things take off.  I’ve overlooked a few oddball things in favor of the stories adding to the period the movie trilogy short changed a lot. We hear of these fantastic adventures Obi Wan and Anakin were on, but I always had the feeling that the movies were a hodpoge of scenes showing highlights of the bigger story. They were visually gorgeous, but I felt portrayed Anakin as being right on the edge of slipping into Vader so fast. And I wished there had been more to the story and progression of his temper and impatience. Because Lord Sidious manipulated him too easily. And I also wanted to see more of their relationship building.

Hoping CW builds on these things further.

There's some good stuff in the first two seasons for sure. But, yeah, the third is where it really gets good. I need to finish the series one of these days. I have the Blu-Rays, but I stopped watching those after season 1.  :-[

I hated Ahsoka until she got a bit older. Then she became one of my favorite characters.


Ironically, this episode was the first one I ever remember watching, and this was long before I had Netflix and actually watched the show. It was on cable at my grandparents house (probably airing or something), and I felt the same way then as you do now. I do need to watch Resistance, but I tried the first 3 episodes and couldn't get into it. I'll probably watch it sometime, but right now I have other things to watch (Young Justice Season 3 anyone?).


Yes it does. And it does it very well (IMO). It also gives us a look at the clones as people. In the movies, we never really see anything about them, and so they are never thought about. After watching TCW you really start to realize they were important in so many ways. I think the first time I actually felt something for them was in (I think) season 3 episode 1. One of my favorite episodes of the series right there. Heavily centered on a squad of clones, two of which go on to become two of my favorite characters in the show.


Lucky. I'd like to get them all on Blu-Ray sometime just so I can have them.

Luck has nothing to do with it, I paid for them. ;)

The first five seasons are actually a European box set I bought on Amazon. Fortunately, I play them on my PS4 or XBOX One, which are region free. :)

I pay homage to what the first two seasons offered but going fwd ... damn sweet. Don't buy into any hype though, SD, search your feelings as things progress and you'll know for yourself how good it'll get.

I usual do my own take on these things—didn’t become a story detective for nothing...LOL! But in spite of the technical precision being right or wrong, I always learn from things, good stories and bad. Then there’s plain old nostalgia. Which is something we all have that dictates certain likes and personal tastes. And on that score, we can all agree, or agree to disagree. Because it’s hard to strike a personal chord for everyone. I do like to hear why things work or don’t work for people. As a creator, there’s things to learn from that as well. Something current movie makers and corporate entities have forgotten.

I’m glad to hear the series build on the period and characters, and that it gets better. I’m not minding season 1. There are some interesting moments.  Not all of them masterful or sophisticated. I can see the family friendly label getting in the way of certain stories being better, but I expected that. In fact, that’s the main reason I haven’t watched it before now. I figured it would be nice little SW tales with zero impact or importance to the SW universe as a whole. When I went through the descriptions on Netflix and decided to watch a couple of episodes, I saw there was a bit of continuity and decided to take the plunge.

Ashoka is a character I began to like within a few episodes, actually. I could see a bit of a feisty, sassy attitude that on some levels paralleled Anakin. And that made me curious as to where things might progress between the two. I also figured the fact that many saber companies have a version of her lightsaber meant her character did go to some place interesting or she wouldn’t hold any kind of popularity. 1+1 for us story detectives. So right away I was intrigued to find out more :)

Ahsoka is one of the greatest examples of introducing a new character organically and having her grow.  The fact she is now on the level of the OT characters in terms of popularity is a testament to that.  Many thought as you did, that the Clone Wars had no impact, but it really fleshed things out and gave us the Anakin we should have seen more of in the prequels...a kind hearted young man who was willing to do what it takes to save people.  It also really showcases his and Obi-Wan's relationship and how much like Brothers they were.  Its not a perfect series by any means but it is perfect in its intention.  To flesh out Anakin's descent into Darkness.

And that descent is really the heart of Star Wars. And something I wanted to see more of. I believe there are many stories to be told on that score. And if Disney wants to produce SW stories, I really hope it is something they approach in the future to expand on the franchise. Considering the popularity of the Vader comic you mentioned, and the recent Vader fan film getting such a huge amount of views...it’s something I believe should be pursued. And hire the guy who made that fan film, cultivate his skills and ideas.

Then you're going to be very disappointed. At least until later seasons, but don't get your hopes up too high. The show is first and foremost developed for kids, so the bad guys are easily out smarted and ridiculously ruthless. And far too much time is wasted on after-school-special type life lessons than actual story development. After my first viewing, I gave the series a solid C+.

I feel you will likely be on the money, and my hopes are not raised all that high. I’m right at the end of season 1, and while the SW fan in me has enjoyed certain moments—like seeing Mace Windu in action in ep. 21. The bridge scene was nicely done. And I can see those life lessons. Not that this is a bad thing. Morals can sometimes be lacking in entertainment aimed at kids.

So I’m pretty much viewing with two sets of eyes, the SW fan who wants to see more of these characters and enjoys the moments where they shine, and the more critical thinker who is is hoping I’ll see some good things, but not holding my breath for perfection. Nothing is perfect, unless it’s perfectly wrong. Or so an editor told me just before he shot me down when I was seventeen years old and trying to be a perfectionist :)

Season 2 has some great moments imo.  Particularly a scene involving Anakin.  Not going to spoil anything

The.....interigation?   ô¿ô

Aye

Sounds intriguing. I’ll be there soon!

Cheeky ... ha  ;D

Only on ocassion :D

Yeah.........that was one of very few things done great.

One thing...maybe a picky thing. The lightsabers. Within TCW universe they seem to be consistent, but not all are exactly like the movies. Mace Windu’s saber is the most obviously different. Unless there’s something in the books, games, or comics, which states his saber changed, or was a work in progress. This change is good for the saber makers. It really does look more like the US hilt, except for the emitter. It is a much longer hilt than the movies, but looks quite different proportionately.

On that score, the picky score...back when I was working on the comics, the prequel trilogy wasn’t finished, episode 1 hadn’t even hit the theaters when I worked on the first series. So granted, the creators were not altogether familiar with the sabers. And even when reference was given, some artists would make mistakes, giving the character the wrong saber, or getting the details wrong. In which case, the editor would be faxing me the correct photos and I would redraw the saber to make sure it was correct.

This type of attention to detail and continuity was something which deepened my appreciation of Star Wars. But if they’re just going to allow folks to take those liberties, it kinda says things have gotten too big and they’ve lost control. Unfortunately, it is an inherent flaw in big corporate entities to feel such things are not cost effective. If there’s another explanation here, please let me know.

The 2D clone wars cartoon was THE best!

PREACH! PREACH!


Looks accurate to me.

(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110727031518/universalprotectioncouncil/images/3/3d/Mace_windu_clone_wars.jpg)

Interesting. That was one of the things that I loved about TCW. The sabers where accurate. Maybe I missed something though (highly possible).

To me, it looked like the movie saber was a short, almost one handed. Fat grip section and very skinny tapered pommel. TCW version retains all the elements but is much thinner and longer in the grip section, widening from the halfway point up to the emitter.

I’ve seen replicas proportioned like that and now I at least know what inspired them :)

It very well may be an animation choice to ease the animators jobs.  Happens a lot. 

Probably. It certainly looks easier to wield. The grips on the movie version stick out so far they look like they were designed more for style than functionality.

A few episodes into season 2 at present. Kind of liking the Cad Bane character. He’s tricky and at least skilled enough to present a challenge—in spite of the floppy hat :)

Ooh, you're just getting started with Mister Bane. One of the stand out characters from the show for sure. And one of my favorite bounty hunters. ;D

Kidnapping the young kings for experimentation seemed to be a more devious, mature plot than much of the first season as well. I was pretty pretty surprised and pleased with that episode. I think the fights are looking a bit more interesting so far as well. Anti-gravity battle was fairly original.

Bane was one of the few delights I took in watching.

Also, there is a reddit post that some delightful nerd worked out, that lists ALL the episode + movie in chronological order. I found it to be much more enjoyable.

And this is where you post a link

fine



https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/31ij0p/the_clone_wars_in_chronological_order_w_links_to/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/31ij0p/the_clone_wars_in_chronological_order_w_links_to/)

Thank you   ;D

Bookmarked the link for future reference...thanks, DL.

My previous post about Mace Windu’s saber being a bit different from the movie definitely seems to be the animators choice. In the 4th episode of season 2, there’s a shot of Mace holding his saber and it’s spot on accurate with the grips sticking out far like the movie. And the next scene where he is sitting in his chair in the Jedi council chamber, the grips look relatively flat on the hilt. And I can see those tall grips really being a pain to get right from every angle.

I know Starwars.com released an official chronological order for all episodes as well.

At this point, I think I want to take this first run through in the order they were released in. If I like continue to like it, I’ll definitely want to get them on disc. Which will be easier organize in sequence.

I’ve only last year finally watched the movies in chronological order. Something i kept putting off until next time—and finally did it. It was certainly a different experience, but also made me see the indoscrepancies in ANH. But that’s a whole other subject :)

I am of the mind, at least for someone who has never seen Star Wars, the films should be watched in the order they came out.  For first time viewers the shock of the reveal of Vader being Luke's father would be ruined if they watched the prequels first. 

That’s exactly my take. And watching the prequels first, it seems like such a huge coincidence that Vader takes Leia prisoner, who just happens to be his daughter, then the droids who escape end up on a planet, and in the possession of his son. It’s alway the large thing we have to accept in an otherwise exemplary screenplay that has held up as an example for screenwriters to learn from decades later. But would stand out as potentially seeming ridiculous to a potential newcomer who watched the prequels first. I think you have to experience SW in the order they were released in to get caught up in the story in the way it was intended for folks.

Other than screwing up your Netflix queue for episodes, there really isn't a lot of jumping around.

THANKS FOR THE SPOILER. Now I won't be able to sleep for a week. :P

Good to see Ki-Adi-Mundi being used in some of the stories. One of the most underused of the Jedi Council!

Same with Plo Koon

Agreed. And considering George Lucas has a history for each of these characters more vast than could ever be explained in the movies...it’s nice to see them being used a bit more in this series.

I watched the interrogation episode this morning. Very Vader. An overall good episode for Ahsoka’s character as well. I liked the discussion between the two Palawan, especially Ahsoka’s views on Anakin. And since he is teaching her...lots of interesting possibilities ahead  :)

Aye.  When My wife and I first watched that episode I told her that was his "Vader" walk as he was coming down the corridor.  Of course the Imperial March was the cincher on it.  This is one of the strengths of Clone Wars.  Showing the "small" moments Vader began to peak out.

I will agree with that.

There was actually a deleted scene from TPM, in which Anakin gets into a fight with a known Rodian. ;) I wish they would have left it in. It would have helped establish that Anakin, though good natured, has a temper.

Feel the same.  That's why in all honestly I think Anakin should have been a bit older.  15-16 is what I always envisioned.

How about the 'Machete Order'?
https://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/ (https://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/)

I used it to introduce my wife to Star Wars and in my opinion it worked quite well ;)

The what-the-wha?

NM, read part of the article. He makes a valid point.

I can see his points...but I don't agree with them.  For one his only complaint about the Release Order is Hayden's appearance in ROTJ.  This heavily implies people will ONLY show the Re mastered versions to someone....I don't.  Secondly, Star Wars is actually not about Luke...its about Anakin.  Yes Luke was the first hero we saw but Lucas always had the rough shape of the story in his mind...direct quote from Lucas:

 "It’s a certain story about Anakin Skywalker and once Anakin Skywalker dies, that’s kind of the end of the story. There is no story about Luke Skywalker, I mean apart from the books. But there’s three worlds: There’s my world that I made up, there’s the licensing world that’s the books, the comics, all that kind of stuff, the games, which is their world, and then there’s the fans’ world, which is also very rich in imagination, but they don’t always mesh. All I’m in charge of is my world. I can’t be in charge of those other people’s world, because I can’t keep up with it."


So, first 6 films are actually Anakin's story...his rise, fall and redemption. 

I was under the impression that the saga was about the Skywalkers as a family; which is why if Rey isn't Luke's, we riot.

Re-mastered? More like re-trash-tered. There was only one...count 'em...ONE edit that even remotely added to the story, despite simultaneously detracting slightly: Jabba showing in ANH. Yes it was filmed, back in the day, but it was before the Hutts were really fleshed out as giant slugs. And honestly it really didn't add anything that hadn't been previously established verbally: Han owes Jabba a $#!%-ton of money. Theatrically it was a let down because back then you spent 2 movies wondering who/what the hell Jabba was, and then ROTJ....BAM! He's a giant slug of a crime boss.

And you just gave me a horrifying idea that they are going to try to have Anakin's ghost show up and have a heart to heart with Kyle. <barf>

Well, I'm not sure why Hayden had to appear in ROTJ, but I can ignore it enough to not be bothered ;)

Alas I have to :(  The 'oldest' stuff in my closet is the 1997 VHS Special Edition, but as my VHS player has abandoned me, I'm stuck with 'more enhanced' releases...

Consider me ignorant, but I'm more of a 'the movies are about Star Wars' guy ;D  They feature several (recurring) characters I have strong feelings about, but I never considered one of them to be main character everything is revolving around…

Afterthought: Maybe with the exception of R2-D2:
That little droid is in every 'main' movie, so he might be even more important to the story than Anakin ;D

Because people are stupid, and they might think it was a different Anakin if his ghost didn't look the same as he did before he went into the armor. ::)

You poor thing. You should have got the '06 metal box DVD release. It came with both "remastered" and OTR versions.....like I did. ;D And I was never happier that I did until I saw latest abortion of the end of ROTJ when Vader screams. <suddenly loses appetite>

Exactly. People are so self centered that they think the movies are about the humans. Points for a droid right. :P

And you are never getting your ‘06 metal box DVD release back! Muhahahahaha

As Logos said, there was that release with the Unchanged OT....I too bought it when to was released.  We all have our own focus but when it comes down to it...Lucas word is (was) law when it comes to the 6 films.  To him the story is about Anakin.

I know where you live. -_-

Just try it >:D

Your devil bird doesn't frighten me

It has always been about Anakin. If you watch ch. 1 with this in mind, you’ll see that discovering him was the turning point in the lives of the Jedi and the entire galaxy.

Point being, the current stories are really kind of an aftermath. The empire had all this power and control which Vader was largely responsible for. Other’s moved in to replace the head of the dragon. None of them are Vader, or the emperor for that matter. But I see it as cleaning up the mess Vader left, vying for power and the resistance trying to maintain control.

The problem is—and this may go some way to looking at the latest trilogy—is that no matter what the victory seemed like when Anakin redeemed himself, whatever the social impact on the galaxy this had, the culture will always divide and subdived because there no event which would have evolved things in a new direction. Nothing to pull up the roots of the empire.

So I could, on some level, see Luke having doubts about a life lived fighting for a cause he was adamant about and made no real difference in. It happens. Even to the most talented and devoted to their cause.

From a story standpoint,the next movie has to pull things back to Anakin a bit. There has to also be a large event that works as an epiphany, sending the social strata of what defines the sense of power, the need for conquest, control, in a direction that in a sense becomes a very large awakening. A shift in the force that actually evolves the bedrock of the universe. Otherwise, society will once again divide and subdivide.

Historically, it’s where we have been in our own galaxy for centuries. People don’t change—and realistically, neither will the beings in that galaxy far,far away without something huge which creates a shift, creates an opportunity which allows that change. Maybe theirs an “awakening” in store for them all...because often endings have a direct link to beginnings, and that’s how this latest trilogy began.

Season 2 thoughts...

I thought it started out okay. Things seemed to be progressing in terms of Anakin looking a bit more grim. So I figured they were bring things along slowly, taking steps with each season with characters developing.

About two-thirds through it and realized I haven’t seen a whole lot to add to this notion since the first 5 or 6 episodes. Really has plagued out in the middle of this season. Pushing through since most people said S3 steps things up. Otherwise, I would be getting fairly annoyed with things about now.

Yeah, I understand what you are saying. The first two seasons are better when you watch it it chronological order.

I’m beginning to understand that. The different storylines are fun, but can detract from the continuity that builds up in one by jumping into the other. That’s probably the only real complaint I have at this point. As a writer, I know it’s hard to build all of these stories equally when you’re producing on a production schedule. At the same time, when they get moving well in one direction and drop it for a storyline that lacks the same punch for 4 or 5 episodes, you’re really counting on the fans to be patient while it all gets pieced together. I really would’ve opted for each season to be self contained within a specific sequence or timeline. The anthology style might work best to have multiple people working on different storylines at the same time and speed up production, but it can be harder on the audience who may not understand this, or be a part of forums like this with folks who already watched it and have some insights.