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Alright, I'm tired of not being able to talk about this, so lets get it started. This is your last warning. There will be SPOILERS ahead.




What did you guys think? Anything you really liked or didn't? Any Easter Eggs I may have missed?

I'll start with the Elephant in the room (or more precisely the *Baby* elephant). I've have had a theory for the past few years that Yoda's species possibly comes from Kashyyyk. Why? Well, when talking about the "droid attack on the wookiees", Yoda talk's about having good relations with the wookiees. Not only that, but when he goes into exile, he chooses Degobah, which is a jungle planet. What is Kashyyyk? A jungle planet. Of course we learn in TCW that Degobah is a nexus for the Force, so he may have just chosen it for that reason, but there are many planets like that, so why choose Degobah if he didn't already like that climate? Anyways, I am thinking that might not be the case anymore, but what do you guys think? Any merit to my theory?

And then the only other thing I really really want to mention is in the Mandalorian Sewers (that's what I'm calling it until we have an official name of some sort), when we see in the background a Mando wearing armor of the same color scheme and design as that of Boba Fett. Is it Boba? I don't really think so, but Filoni and Favreau would not stick something like that in there without reason.

Also, in case any of you didn't know this, the little old guy that helps Mandalorian with the Bluurg is an Ughnaught, and the species that was protecting the compound were predominantly Nikto (red and green). 

Is anyone else already loving Greef Carga?

Im really enjoying the more percussive soundtrack. Fits better than the traditional orchesatra I think.

Didnt notice the Fett-esque character, but I've been mulling over if the Mandalorian Smith is supposed to be of Clan Wren due to her Spartan-inspired visor, similar to Sabine's.

I've been really enjoying all the secondary characters, I dont think I actively dislike any character from the pilot except maybe the brute at the beginning. Though even he served his purpose, it was nice seeing that reflection of Obi-Wan's cantina incident through an "ordinary" person.

I Have Spoken  ;).

I believe his name is Kuill. (correct me if I'm wrong)


I heard someone call it the Mandalorian Enclave which (I think) is from SWTOR

Also, just a little thing I liked, during the blurrg scene after he falls for the second time or so, when he puts his hand on the blurrg's head the thing that popped into my head was, "How to Train Your Blurrg; A Star Wars story."

Kuill is his name and he’s being played by Nick Nolte. He plays a good Ugnaught


I like this series and think that it’ll do good. I like that the Mandos are being explored and having more stories. They chose the right actor to play

Ok so did no one else notice a ship that looked very much like the Shadow Castor when he was coming in to land on the planet to turn in his bounties?

Also that IG bounty hunter was awesome.

Off the top, the series show what a bad-ass the Mandalorian is with taking down a bunch of thugs and claiming his bounty.  And then there's the Razor Crest, it's a beauty inside and out, quite tough as well since when the giant ice serpent was trying to pull it down, you can see sparks which are occurring because of damage being dealt when it's fighting that serpent to fly away. After, the landing gears retract without issue moving forward

Let's talk about the Mando Bekar steel, as a fellow owner of swords and knifes, I love to know about different steel and although this is a fake metal, it reminds me of Damascus steel

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0912/7762/products/BARBARA-camel-bone-damascus-steel-hunting-knife_1024x1024.jpg?v=1541548237)

Of course, the swirls in the Beskar steel aren't as dark as Damascus steel swirls but it does give remind me of it. Of course, this is explained in The Clone Wars and Rebels which is pretty neat since they're mixing those elements in this series. A ton of Mandalorians wore Beskar steel as armor, but much of this was eventually co-opted by Darth Maul when his criminal syndicate briefly took over the planet Mandalore. So, when Maul appears in Solo, there’s a very real chance he’s still dealing in Beskar.  Beskar steel is immensely valuable in the Star Wars universe, and the first episode of The Mandalorian already showed it deflecting blaster fire. It was even

When we learn that the Mando is just one of many Mandalorians living in hiding, bringing this scrap of Beskar back to his people is a pretty big deal. The Mandalorian who is in charge of the forge mentions that much of the Beskar was lost in the “great purge,” which probably means the Jedi purge, but also possibly could refer to Darth Maul taking over Mandalore, or something else entirely. I like to see more Mandos in this forge area that they are in and I don't mean by our Mando just walking by them, I want to see them out and about

IG-11 was great, he was funny even though he was trying to be logical about everything and even though our Mando killed him to save that baby of Yoda's species, I think he may come back to life, maybe.  The fight scenes with the Mando and IG-11 against those thugs were nicely choreographed.  It gives you a really good idea how the IG series fight and kill.

Seeing the baby of Yoda's species was a twist that I didn't see at the end but I enjoyed and wanted more after IG-11 was shot in the head by our Mando. 

Anyone else think the Razorcrest looks like the Jaster's Legacy? Cause i immediately thought it was a reference but havent seen it mentioned here?

It does look like a slightly slimmed down version yes.

I enjoyed Chapter I...

The Mando himself:  Can we all agree that he's pretty much Boba Fett, only 25% different so GL doesn't get royalties?

Carbonite Freezing:  Lots of nitpicking about this around the fandom.  I see it as Vader improvising with a 'crude facility.'  It was intended for Luke on his 'journey to the Emperor,' but was tested on Solo.  Once the word spread throughout the bounty hunter world that it was a viable and tested means of transporting bounties, the freezing practice caught on.  Eventually the tech was perfected and miniaturized to enable shipboard units.

Although...I had issues with the Mando's first bounty character - the blue guy.  His lack of accent and manner of speech was way too contemporary and kinda takes the viewer out of the world.  Also, his easy access to the Mando's gun cabinet was not credible - he could have easily opened the gun storage area accidentally while looking for the toilet, or something.  Unfortunate.

Blurgs:  Okay, fine, but I would have loved a credible reason why they had to use them for the journey...just...some little fact about the terrain or something would have been better.  I like Kuill a lot.

Musical Score: LOTS of opinions on this either way.  It's not necessarily bad, but SO different from what we're accustomed to, that it's almost distracting.  I have to experience more to make a final determination on that one.

Callouts & World Building:  Some would consider all the references to the past films as fan service, others would consider it world building.  I like to see all the nods and easter eggs, as it serves to anchor the viewer to the Star Wars universe - the look, the feel, and everything else in between that makes a futuristic western a STAR WARS western.

So, it's a good start I suppose, but I don't trust Star Wars in the hands of Disney.  Glad to have Filoni & Favreau on the job, but I'll need to see more.

$ .02

Take into account Lucas was on set and provided feedback and consultation

Thank God.  Hopefully it's not too little too late...  I'll give it a good honest chance either way.

Just finished the 2nd episode. Anyone else?

Really liked episode 1. Episode 2 is just as good, maybe even better, but the pratfalls kind of annoyed me, unless this Mandalorian is lacking some of the combat skills usually attributed to the more combative Mandalorian Clans. Yes, I know he's a foundling and is getting his chops. BUT......................I did like how he had zero compunction about desigtirating Jawas who stole most of his ship. Now you understand why Han parked in the Spaceport.  




When I woke up this morning, I saw it was released and immediately downloaded it to my phone and watched it while eating breakfast.

I personally found the Jawas part to be my favorite of the episode. I have always wanted to see more of them and to see the sand crawler in action.

I think the point of him being weak against the creatures was to show the bad ass potential the Yoda-ling could have in the future.

I really like that they showed us a bit of the Jawa culture. They are their own unique species with their own ideals, and seeing that was fun. I also feel like we got a bit of Ughnaught culture too. But Baby Yoda is awesome. Possibly the cutest thing I've ever seen.

(http://preview.redd.it/qkdgkuu38cy31.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=497051108362dfb79871a00ae013df77679401bb)

How long do I have to wait before I can set it as my avatar?

Just watched Chapter 2...ohhhhhh boy, this show might be winning me over...MAYBE  :D

Like others have said - Jawas!  The command bridge of their sandcrawler, how they antagonize the Mando, how the Mando tosses a few off the roof, vaporizes a few - HAHAHAHA!!  Loved that whole sequence.  Kuill is great - how he guided the Mando in negotiating with Jawas, helping him piece the Razor Crest back together.

My one nitpick is how the Rhino beast died from a tiny stab...I'm just assuming a poisoned blade.

Pretty good stuff so far.  

Is there a rule concerning that?  Is the image blocked?

Do it now Taegin. :)

I was wondering the same thing. I assumed he had stabbed it in the eye, but that wasn't the case. My only theory is that somehow Baby Yoda helped somehow.


The only thing is Spoilers. I know most people will have already watched it, but for those who haven't, I don't want to spoil the cuteness overload surprise.

I want to know how long I have to wait for a toy of it

+1


LOLZ

Not only is everyone praising the show as being good so far...but everyone agrees baby Yoda is the cutest kriffing thing since Gizmo.....

Well, the holidays are coming up, and Disney isn't one to pass up a money-making opportunity, so...

The Good, the Bad, and the Jawa. I loved this episode!

I love that the rifle is based on Boba Fett's Holiday Special back in 1978. Jon Favreau being the nerd that he is, added that to the series.

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(https://dailypop.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/starwars_bobafett-holidayspecial.jpg)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsNwP_1kTZQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsNwP_1kTZQ#)

Supposedly Favreau has an idea for a new holiday special as well.

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I heard that but it was "he has plans for" and "he may".  I hope he does

Ok, where to begin? I'll start on a high note

(https://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/the-mandalorian-baby-yoda-slice-1-600x200.jpg)

Cutest #$%&ing thing EVER! Can I get one for Christmas?


On to the questions/gripes.

1.) I know species exhibit changes as they grow, but why are the baby's eyes so much larger than the adults'?
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Also, how is this thing 50yo and can't talk? If the species has an equivalency of 50yo = 1yo human, then Yoda should have only been in his teens. I think 10yo would have been better. But it also makes me think that Yoda was an exception to his species in that he spoke Basic. Considering the child-like characteristics of this new LGF, and his already formidable grasp (albeit unmastered strength) of the Force, it makes me wonder if the species on the whole is Force sensitive, and communicate telepathically through it. This would explain why a 50yo can't talk.

2.) This is an UgNOT
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It's too tall, speaks Basic.....and Jawa? Way to jump the shark already because NOSTALGIA. Don't get me wrong, I like the character and where he fits in the story, but frelling hell come up with something new instead butchering what was established. Ugnaughts are small, and like Wookiees, lack the physical ability to vocalize in Basic.

3.) Seriously? They had to bring these things back?
(https://media.comicbook.com/2019/08/caravan-of-courage-the-mandalorian-blurrg-1185309-1280x0.jpeg)

They were so badly rendered in TCW that I didn't even register they had been resurrected. Also this just smacked a bit much of something else

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECtTu13WsAAYJ3z.jpg)(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81B8q0deOmL._RI_.jpg)

4.) Why is the Empire in possession of beskar, and WHY is it in stamped ingots? And why does it look like Damascus in ingot form but not once forged.
(https://nypdecider.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/mandalorian-1-beskar-steel.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=1024)(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/LhFZ4QLMSVe9CErMAWy94WM1Tlg=/0x0:1894x793/1200x800/filters:focal(793x229:1095x531)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/65689227/pauldron.0.jpg)
I'm also curious as why/how he already has "beskar" armor, but then needs new parts. Unless it is merely assumed that all of his armor is beskar already.

5.) I actually like the soundtrack to this show. My only complaint is that it....doesn't....feel Star Wars.

6.) Werner Herzog........awesome.

7.) Is it just me, or do these troopers look a little......underfed?

(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/ss-remnant-stormtroopers_5e1938a4.jpeg?region=161%2C0%2C958%2C539)

8.) I was under the impression that Jawas were indigenous to Tatooine. And if not, their sandcrawlers were unique to the Tatooine tribes, and also much larger. More useless nostalgia. XÞ

9.) At first I was pissed that they had to throw in an IG unit that wasn't IG-88, but I guess they kinda spun it in a reasonable fashion. I did love how the droid's abilities were showcased. But oh no, the "self-destruct" just has to be a spherical thermal detonator in the chest because NOSTALGIA. And then, after ALL the hype he's shellcanned after 5min.

10.) I'm not a fan of how short the episodes are.

11.) I wasn't thrilled by how they depicted the carbonite freezing process. Chronologically only 6 years prior, it took an entire chamber with heavy machinery to freeze 1 person, and now you just push 'em into a box and hit the freeze button? Go go Filoni nostalgia rape.

12.) The tracking fob. WTF? What happened to the days when hunters had to actually track down a target through info gathering. The bail jumpers I could get behind having some sort of tracking implant, but why the hell would Yoda-baby have one? <puke>

13.) I will admit, the mystery baby and the Remnant's interest in (assuming) has MY interests piqued. That and the Mando....refugees?....are my only interests in the show thus far. I fear that the release of this show at THIS time is because something minute is going to play into TROS.

14.) Can anyone say "dead"?
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/5f5feb5f73931e444e12001887613ac1/tenor.gif?itemid=15570516)

Beskar might be nigh indestructible, but the rib cage beneath it is not. Plus, how is his little boot knife gonna drop this thing?

15.) I'm not even going to ask how TF a bounty hunter and a farmer rebuild a ship in just 1 night. Also a characteristic flaw in the Jawas: they wouldn't have left the engines behind for that pointless sputter shot. Granted he showed up, and they may not have had the time to pick that heap as clean as they usually would.

16.) As much as I was liking see all the Mandos, what gives with them never taking off their helmets? Seemed overly dramatic and mysterious to a lame level.


Overall, I give the first 2 episodes a C-. Let's hope it gets better.


SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTE!
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I figure Baby can't speak because of how he seems to have been just given basic care...in short.  They Fed him but didn't teach him how to speak

The Republic freed Mandalore from Maul's rule, this is where Ahsoka faked her death and it is the plot of the season of Clone Wars about to premire on Disney+.   Once the Empire was born Palps had it stripped of Beskar for the empires use.

According to Sabine, Mando's inherit their armor and rework it to fit each user.  Through the years pieces go missing or are sold.

As to Jawa's home planet, I cant say  but the Sandcrawlers were utilized by a now defunct desert mining company..the Jawa's commandeered them



The carbonite freezing on Cloud City was meant for other things...they had to retrofit it for human freezing.  I assume these in the show are specially made with humans in mind 


The Armor helped..but it was him sinking in the mud that saved him.  I've had a car run over my foot on mud and it was not broken....scared the crap out of me...but I was fine


.....But yes  Cutest fing thing ever...where. are. the. damn. toys already

Also I can throw in an additional answer with his armor - not all of it is Beskar. Assuming the Imperials scrounged up most (if not all) Beskar commercially available - not alot if left for our Mandos - and it shows. Only the high luster silvery portions of his armor are Beskar. The rest he's scrounged up from various sources, for instance before his pauldron was replaced, that shoulder is actually lifted from an Imperial Shoretrooper.

(https://i.imgur.com/nysECZ3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PsU8rzM.jpg)

Considering there are promo shots of him wearing full Beskar'gam, I'm guessing as the series goes on he'll replace more and more of his (likely durasteel) armor with proper Beskar


ALSO! (just thought of this) this is very much just my personal fan theory but regarding the Beskar ingot, considering that not only does it not retain the Damascus pattern post forging, it also looks like the pauldron is larger than the ingot *and* the forgemaster noted there would be spare. Is it possible I wonder if the Imperials found a way to compress Beskar into smaller ingots to make it easier to transport? The wave pattern being a byproduct of compressing the metal. So when you melted it it might expand a bit? Idk could be a better explanation but its something i thought of.

Also my assumption about his armor, since he's a foundling - not sure HOW this relates to Mandalorian Clans - he may have to earn his armor parts to prove he's worthy of being considered a full blood Mando.

Mandos jealously guarded the secrets of beskar manufacturing. If memory serves, it was never sold nor produced for offworlders. But that first scene in the bar, the idiot asked if it was beskar, and tested it. But being an idiot, he may have made a poor assessment.

I had the same thought. My question is what is the difference in style between what he is wearing and the Fett armor style? Shoulders in particular.

I questioned that as well. But she pretty much melted it down into a much thinner plate, and then formed it into the curvier shape of a pauldron. I think volumetrically, the ingot would be enough to make a pauldron plate. UH OH. Looks like an excuse to rewatch. ::)

Also, you ever try to compress steel? Good luck.

For 50 years?

I can live with this. But what would the Empire do with it, not knowing how to process it?

This I knew, but since Jawas aren't star faring, how would they get this thing to another planet? I know a Jawa clan was relocated to Raxus Prime by scavengers in TFU.

Meh. Maybe

How did I know someone was going to use that? Maybe, but that is a LOT of tonnage to absorb, even for mud.

For 50 years?
I can live with this. But what would the Empire do with it, not knowing how to process it?
This I knew, but since Jawas aren't star faring, how would they get this thing to another planet? I know a Jawa clan was relocated to Raxus Prime by scavengers in TFU.



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It doesn't seem as if he was being guarded by loving caring being these decades.  Instructed to keep it alive..not teach it to talk.

Rebels showed there was a faction of Mandalorians who sided with the Empire.... easily could have gotten it from them.

They aren't...but doesn't mean they can't barter for passage on a transport to another planet

Also with the baby Yoda thing, like Tepes is saying, they were probably told to keep it alive, but also if you notice, the guards are primarily Nikto. Would a Nikto really speak basic if they didn't have too? They would probably be speaking Huttese or (not sure if this is a real language or not, I'd have to look) the Nikto language. A baby wouldn't pick up basic if nobody was speaking it.

It's a nice theory, but frelltard Feloni already used it in TCW, so Vader never pioneered anything. I will concede that it is possible that the concept of freezing a living being in carbonite was already proven (as shown in TCW), the risk in ESB came from the aforementioned "crude facility" not being up to the caliber of a medical carbonite freezing facility. Boba sees Vader do it and starts a trend. Because bounty hunters being such sticklers for the safety and well-being of their bounty heads. ::)

Agreed. "Oh, I found the gun rack while looking for the obviously located shellter. Better leave them and snoop around further."

Also agreed. "OMG, one can't possibly jump across a 2ft crevasses in the oversized mud cracks. But it's not a problem when you're making the return trip." :-\ Way to shoehorn in 5min of useless Horse Whisperer BS. (I retract if I'm mistaken about the return trip. I just don't remember him riding much, if any, on the return trip.)

I was also disturbed by this:
(https://filmgoblin.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/the-mandalorian-review-crumb.jpg)

Especially while the caged one watches. These creatures were classified as semi-sentient. But frell it because fans won't know it's Star Wars unless we cram every last nook and cranny with NOSTALGIA.

Baby sitting for 50 years? I'll let this rest for a bit. We're only 2 eps in, with a ton of questions.

I never put much stock into Rebels

I guess that works. Would have been nice had they just dropped in a blurb about how they did it. They could address many small questions like this had they spent the money to produce an hour long show. Being only 30min, it fall into the same lackluster story genre that the cartoons do.

I took the cooking of the Monkey Lizard as a sign of how brutal this place was.

If you want "brutal", I'd have gone with a Gamorean on the spit. ;) That'd feed a family for a month.

Ugh....the smell would be horrendous

You don't like pork?

Love it...but roasting pork...like over a spit...can sometimes not smell to great until its close to being done.

So all good things in due time. ;D

Alright folks who has seen episode three?
This is your spoiler warning if you haven’t yet.

Saw it and was irked by a couple of the scenes. But since Disney owns both Star Wars and Marvel, I guess they will pillage from both.

Now I'm intrigued.  FYI, I don't have Disney+ nor do I plan on getting it anytime soon.  But I am interested in the Mandalorian and spoilers do not phase me.

Basically the fact that Jon Favreau directed Iron Man was referenced in this episode. I actually really liked it though.

As for the episode as a whole, holy cow! There was some awesome things that happened. The scene in the sewers where the Mandalorian and Favreau's Mando went at it was awesome. And then when they all came flying to the rescue at the end in full Mandalorian style was epic! I love that they are exploring the Mandalorian culture. Yeah, Mando Jon (Imma call him that for now) may have disagreed with some of what The Mandalorian did/said, they are still mandos, and that is enough for him to come and help.

And I think my favorite scene from this episode was when he handed Baby Yoda the knob. I love their relationship, and I love Baby Yoda's character. I've said it before, but I completely trust Jon and Dave with this series.

Favreau played another Mando?

Yes. Obviously not Vizla, but he played a "heavy infantry" character I believe it was called. I only knew because of his voice, and I don't think many other people have realized it yet.

That's cool... Gina Cerano show up yet?

Nope not yet. I suspect probably Chapter 4.

Yeah I totally didn’t realize it was him but I was so caught up in the story I wasn’t really paying attention to the voices.

Not only was the part where he gave him the knob cool but when he started to leave before getting the yoda. When he touched the knob getting ready to take off and that was what finalized his decision.

So I need to correct this statement. Favreau obviously did not play Pre Vizla. The character's name is Paz Vizla. So he did play a Vizla again, which is really cool.


Also, yep.

That is cool.  So...Pre Vizla's son? Nephew? 

I don't know yet. So far he is just a member of Clan Vizla.

Also, just another little nod to the Vizla's, when our Mando was getting his next bounty, the quarry was on Carlac, which was the planet that the Death Watch had their base on in S4 & 5 of TCW.

And I knew Jon Favreau was the heavy infantry dude even though I had not read/seen anything beforehand, I recognized him because of the voice he used. I'm rather proud of myself for that.

How do you figure this is a rip off. Favreau already had a hand in SW: he was the voice of Pre Viszla.

I did find the Iron Man-esque fly-by salute to be a bit campy, but screw it. What really bugged me was this:


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Anybody else notice this useless relic propped up in the alley on his return trip to the Imp hideout?


Ok, so you were aware. I had to explain the why he sounded like Pre to someone last night.

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I was exceptionally pissed at the disgusting overuse and idiotic operation of the tracking fobs. Ok, the bounty has been claimed, so why the #$%& does every asshole in the bar start getting pinged when the dead job is now on the move? Also, why did they make such a big deal about the Mando being offered the baby Yoda job if EVERYBODY tried to collect? I thought the plot device was contrived and stupid.

I'm also not impressed with this whole BS of not removing the helmet. "It is the way."

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You don't kno da wae.

We've seen Mandos take their helmets off left and right.


Two things I was beyond happy about in this episode.

1) THIS
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<chanting> ICE CREAM! ICE CREAM! ICE CREAM! ICE CREAM! ICE CREAM!


When I first read the backstory of Wilrow Hood and that thing under his arm being "a database of Rebel names" I wanted to puke. But now that it has officially been made a containment device, I am gleefully happy. ;D

But that's not all.....

(http://www.aveleyman.com/Gallery/2019/11/t18067-4584-20191112-0.jpg)
What kind of healing baths?

SAY IT WITH ME NOW......TWĪ - LEK! It took me a while to identify the emotion that I experienced, it having been so long since I've associated it with Star Wars. JOY. I was giddy. I cackled for a solid 5min.


(https://noguiltdisney.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/baby-yoda-meme-baby-yoda-show-e1574305066480.jpg)

I'm usually not terribly jaded or cynical but its a refresher to have something in Star Wars thats legitimately cute and not just puppy eyes on a stuffed animal. Baby Yoda must be protected at all costs.

I was actually referencing the smart missiles and the flyby, but yes I did miss the "brace" that was sitting in the alley. Nice catch.

Side note: i'm irked by the glasses being worn in the Episode. You would think that if they have spaceships, blasters, lightsabers and the Force, they could correct bad vision or have ocular adaptation, unless they're "smart glasses" or some such.

The fly-by was the Iron Man reference I was referring to.

The tracking fob thing still annoys me as well, but whatever.


Agreed. The glasses annoyed me as well. Not that I have anything against someone having poor eyesight or anything, they just looked off in a SW production.

I enjoyed the Iron Man reference used in the fly by from Pre Vizsla

Ah. I didn't even relate the....what were they..."whispering birds"? (Looked up, Whistling Birds)....to IM's micro-Macross-missiles. But now that you mention it.

Wouldn't be the first time. I remember reading that the podracer Clegg Holdfast wore a HUD visor that linked up with his pod. And almost every pilot in that scene was wearing eye protection. Considering the nature of a doctor's work, perhaps they are 'smart', or auto dim for like laser surgery.

Plus don't forget these gems:

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Glasses/corrective lenses aren't a new thing, just rare.




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Also....have you ever seen Hondo without his "goggles"? Makes me think he's really hiding the fact that he needs glasses by having them made into cool goggles. More pirate-y.


That's Paz

I'm so glad it's not just me.

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Also...how long until I can start posting these memes in MEMES?

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WOW! I'm the first to comment on last week's show? Eerie.

It's a shocker, but I'm actually enjoying this show the further it goes.

First things first.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTE!

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This plus the penchant for mischief has me thinking that despite his diminutive stature, "baby" is a misnomer. He's capable of feeding himself as well as being able to reason out that he doesn't want to listen, especially evident that he never stays put when told. Odds are looking better and better that his lack of speech is due to the species' communication through the Force.

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Always a pleasure seeing Gina ;D.
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And even though I thought the character was a little forced, at the same time it worked. I was particularly happy that even though they were depicting yet another female badass rebel (and in this case Rebel) loaner, she wasn't invincible. She took as many hits as she dished out. My only gripe about that fight was....and I don't who you are or how badass...you punch beskar, you're breaking a hand. Although, I will concede that I could use a second viewing to gather more details.

The Lothcat. Despite hating all things Lothal, I have to admit that I appreciated the subtlety of this Easter egg, as well as how well the cartoon was translated into live action.
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I've got mixed feelings on what is appearing to be overuse of OT species. In the first episode we had a group of Nikto with a smattering of Klaatu. And now the incantation is completed again with the attacking Barada. On the one hand I'm happy they're not rolling out fistfuls of new species every week, but I would like to see more species that didn't have standout scenes in the first 6. Or better yet...I would like to see more "neighborhoods" in the galaxy. Basically you don't see large groups of species (except humans...cuz them critters get e'rywher) out too far from their homeworld, at least not without some mass migration or in the case of Jawas, relocation.

I didn't like the lack of originality of naming the giant blue krill....."krill".

I was initially pissed when I saw the red eyes on the AT-ST, but after I thought about it, it made really good sense. Red is a good low light illumination for inside the cockpit that wouldn't obscure the pilot and gunner's night vision for looking out the portholes. It also had the added bonus terror level considering the dark environment.
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How long until this is a reality?

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The more I think about that scene the more I think that AT-ST was fitted with a Droid core.  Not only did we get a couple good shots of the cockpit (which seemed empty from the angles we got) it acted like it was on its own accord rather than being piloted, it "looking" down at the pond and moving its foot back looked less like an input and more like a reaction.

Can confirm though, general aviation pilots actually specifically buy red tinted flashlights for nightflights for the very reason you listed!

As far as not seeing pilot/gunner, think about any movie scene with this kind of lighting, and recall the overall lack of detail. It is my belief that we simply couldn't (or weren't supposed to) make out the details of occupants.

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The behavior suggests (to me) a sentient pilot. It bypassed the the need to support the main force in order to annihilate a single opponent of unknown potential threat. This doesn't strike me as a droid thought process.

To me, i'd have to point out there's another movie that had a semi-sentient mecha that had tough decisions to make:

ED-209 from Robo-cop.

In my mind, considering the rag-tag nature of these bandits, it is unlikely that they would have such a high end piece of tech.

I rewatched last night. Most of the camera angles of the walker's "face" were such that the crew wouldn't be seen anyway. But one shot in particular didn't show anyone in there. I'm thoroughly opposed to the idea of a "droid core" for several reasons.

1) The Imperial AT-ST was piloted by direct sight. The "eyes" are windows, not sensors. A droid brain would have required a sensor package, and most likely would have been noticeable.
2) Somebody (I believe it was Cara) shot it in the "eye", tripping it up. It would be highly convenient that a shot like that would have actually damaged a primary drive system at that angle. More likely it scared the piss out of the pilot who bumped the controls.
3) If this actually was what they did, it's another fine example of Disney regime idiocy and shoehorning in crap to fit a weak narrative while trying way too hard to be edgy. I'm trying to stay positive and like this show.
4) All the toys depict at least one occupant (pilot). :P

I found it kinda creepy that the widow is that eager to fall in love with him. Unless it was lost in the time lapse. I think he was there for a couple of weeks, but I'm having a hard time braining today.


Also.....What......the......#$%&.......? We're doing mercenaries with cheek cheers now?

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I'm pretty sure the Walker originally had two occupants. When Cara shot into the window, I think the shot disintegrated one of the pilots scaring the other like Logos said. I mean, if my copilot just poofed into dust, I'd freak out too.

Its the Rebel Symbol...Military more often than not get tattoos of their branch/unit.  Plus..think about the "balls" to do that.  She was openly declaring her loyalty to the Rebellion.


But...I just popped in real quick from my hiatus to inform everyone........ BABY YODA MERCH IS UP FOR PREORDER!!!!

https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/107975 (https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/107975)

Good call +1. I forgot she was using that vaporizor stick.

I know that, but the tiny thing on her cheek? I thought it was a mole until I saw the POP! Vinyl. UGH. I'd have been better with it being big and on her upper arm instead of the ambiguous....whatever rectangles.

Yeah. :'( Waiting till after the New Year restock. Also, that thing looks like a green cabbage Patch Kid with big ears.

But I did find my ugly Christmas Sweater.

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With the AT-ST being operated via manned or droid, it doesn't matter to me storywise, but I would tend to go with manned, per the reasons stated by others. Especially since how the AT-ST reacted to the water trap. I was waiting for it to try and go around it, because obviously it could not see the bottom.

I threw the ED-209 reference in, basically to get the reaction I got.

About the widow. We don't know her backstory and I wonder if there will be one or not. Since she's more than proficient shooting wise, there's all sorts of background they could throw on her. Time will tell I guess.

I know. I voiced Mando's internal monologue while watching her shoot: "I want to have her babies."

Point for that, it made me laugh.

I think with having it on her face it drove home the point she wasn't hiding her allegiance during the GCW.  A tat on the arm could be covered with armor or clothing...but face tats are much more obvious.  But...more than likely it was "Hot Bad Ass with Cute Tattoo on face." Mentality.    But its Gina so I can let it slide :P





My "Head Canon"  is she is the daughter of one of the Clones that left to lead normal lives.


Ok..  Am I alone in thinking Favreau should be the one to Bring an Old Republic show/film to life....  Funny to think the guy who played Daredevils friend (Foggy) in the Affleck film would go on to Begin the MCU.... the biggest film franchise since Star Wars.  Then go on to breath life back into Star Wars itself.  Making some of the first new content under Disney that isn't hugely divisive....yet.

Also true. BUT I'm with the consensus that face tats outside of tribal reasons are lame. Besides, as I stated, it was SO small that I easily mistook it for a mole. So what's the point? If you're gonna show your balls through dedication, go bigger.


Please no.

We'll put him on the short list of candidates. Part of me wants to see what Joss Whedon could do with it. Oh hell, let's go nuts with MCU directors; we'll get Branaugh to do it. ;D

Whats wrong with her being the child of a clone......


Branaugh: Yes.  Whedon: No.   I know it Geek Heresy but I am not a fan of Joss Whedon. 

Cuz I'm reeeeaaaalllllyyyyy tired of every little thing being tied to something from the past movies or shows. Like Snap is Wedge's step son.

Because?...

It depends for me.  That is just JJ Abrams giving his  buddy a big Star Wars fantasy.  But a Clone going way out in the middle of know where to live a peaceful life isn't far fetched nor him having Children.  As well, again IMO, the more it ties back the better.  I want those connections because they already shown me they can't much with anything new.


Because... I just don't find the majority of his work...good.  A few gems here and there but overall.....not. 

Then the idea was already done in TCW. And according to SWR, weren't Rex, Wolf, and Gregor the only three that retired?

C'est la vie.

Yes, it was shown in TCW...which is why that Theory in my head.  I don't think it said specifically they were the only ones...but I never meant retired.  Went Awol, left for dead, etc.  All kinds of differents ways he could have been there.  With Thousands of Clones fighting in Dozens of Systems..there cant have just be one who left the army.

I guess that could work, but it's kinda phoned in.

For me it would show how Far Reaching the Clone Wars really changed the Galaxy.  But, her Husband may have shown her and its just an interesting part of her character with no connection.

Alright who’s seen episode five? This is your spoiler warning.
Man what a trip down memory lane.

I dunno. Episode 5 felt kinda weak to me. I didn't dislike it, it just didn't feel like it added a whole lot to the story whatsoever. The ending scene is the only thing that had me at all interested in anything. Still, know Filoni, nothing he does is ever just "filler", so we'll see what happens with it.

I felt like the last two were kind of weak.  Ch. 4 was your typically predictable "Let's teach the locals how to stand up to the bullies" episode that just about every other sci-fi show has done.  It was almost beat for beat like every one of those types of episodes.  This one was again predictable as one of those "I'll help the new guy" episodes.  I still enjoyed them but I hope they don't keep following the same predictable tropes. 

I did enjoy the callbacks to ANH.

Agreed. My brother literally called it a rip off of The Magnificent Seven. Which is definitely true, but I instantly thought of the episodes of TCW rather than Magnificent Seven. Still, a decent episode, but nothing special. I'm hoping these ones are the only ones that are like this, and we don't get a lot of meh episodes.

It didn't.....at least not foreseeable.

For those that aren't terribly versed in the classics, the style of this series is that of a Western. "Mando" or "The Mandalorian" are what others call him, but he literally is The Man{do :P} with No Name. He's the lone gunslinger; dark and mysterious. He can't stay put, so he drifts from place to place looking for means to survive. In fact, most of the characters have no names, only generalized character descriptions. 'The Child', 'the Client', etc. I actually respect the simplicity they've employed to tell this story.

What really sells this to me as a Western is the cheesy dialogue. It's over emphasized and sometimes even superfluous. I noticed this most with Greef Karga.


As far as the episode, I was a little disappointed by the phoned in locale, BUT it did make some sense. Considering the history of the franchise, Tatooine always shows up. This may be one tradition faux pas that is killing the sequels: No Tatooine. But back to the show. Given that the bounty had professional ties to the Hutt Cartel, it could stand to reason that she was very familiar with the area, and possibly had places to hole up. I won't discount that Mando just happened to be in that general area by chance.

I wasn't a fan of how the dog fight played out. I know different craft have different specs and abilities, but I thought it was a bit overkill that the Razor Crest is taking hits with minor damage, but then one shot and the enemy goes down like a lady of ill-repute. But what I hated most was the Top Gun ripoff of hitting the brakes. YOU'RE IN SPACE! There are NO brakes. Reverse thrust, yes. But NO BRAKES.

After researching, I was pleased that they didn't blatantly ripoff Owen Lars' swoop design. I'm not opposed to that speeder bike design being favorable for the hot desert terrain of Tatooine. I really enjoyed just cruisin' over the Dune sea.

And then there was the mystery cliffhanger dude. WTF? I hate you all, die in a fire. I MUST KNOW WHO THIS IS, NNNNNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUU. I cannot wait a week, or however long they decide to bring this to fruition.

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I wasn't a fan of how the dog fight played out. I know different craft have different specs and abilities, but I thought it was a bit overkill that the Razor Crest is taking hits with minor damage, but then one shot and the enemy goes down like a lady of ill-repute. But what I hated most was the Top Gun ripoff of hitting the brakes. YOU'RE IN SPACE! There are NO brakes. Reverse thrust, yes. But NO BRAKES.”

I will agree with the taking hits then killing the other guy with one shot but it all comes down to shields. It’s quite possible that the guy chasing him had his shields all toward the front and when caught off guard didn’t get to switch them to the rear. Though I’m just reaching at this point for a possible reason.

As far as the “Top Gun” maneuver. I will have to watch it again but I could have swore when he did that it showed flaps opening on the thrusters to become reverse thrusters.

Can confirm, the flaps opening on the engine were meant to mimic modern thrust reversers on big airline engines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=filq88Yvt5I# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=filq88Yvt5I#)

It's one of those pieces of tech that looks kinda stupid because its the most basic idea possible; panels move into place to literally just redirect the thrust flow backwards.

Hi all,

Using "Vectored Thrust" has been a feature of military air combat for quite a while. During the Falklands conflict Harrier Jump Jet pilots of the RAF used to perform a maneuver known as "VIFFing" or Vectoring In Forward Flight. The Harrier has engine nozzles that pivot approx 100degs from fully aft (giving forward thrust) through to about 10 degrees forward of vertical down for vertical and short take off and landings.

To perform a VIFF the aircraft begins with the nozzles fully aft for forward flight and when needed the pilot moves the nozzle position lever to swing the nozzles to the forward position. This slows the jet like applying the speed brake however the Harrier pilot could also just move the lever to point the nozzles down vertical which made the aircraft "Jump" making any chasing aircraft overshoot underneath allowing the Harrier to drop back down behind the chase plane.

This was way back in 1982 - four years before Top Gun did their "breaking maneuvers". Nice to hear that this trick s being used in a galaxy in the future!!

To add to this, thrust vectoring is also used prominently (though not to the same degree as the Harrier) on some modern aircraft such as the Sukhoi SU-57 and F-22A making the capable of "supermanueverability" where the aircraft can continue to perform and orient even while in a stall condition (also called a Post Stall Maneuver)

I intentionally left out the F-35 because its hot trash and i refuse to give it credit. I digress, back to Mando

That scene bugged me, so I rewatched. If I saw it correctly, then I saw what you did. The flaps were venting forward thrust in order to brake. But the bogey's flight mask was spontaneously removed so we could see him scream. <rolls eyes>


AND HOW THE #$%& DID I FORGET ABOUT THE TUSKENS? I thought that was really neat how he just coolly starts negotiation for passage. I particularly loved that it shows them as simply misunderstood and therefore perpetually pissed off because everyone regards them as "mindless animals".

Not so hyped about the retro droids showing up. The pit droids were less objectionable because of their inherent function of maintenance and repair, but also because....well, they're silly.

My reference to Top Gun was merely the line "I'm gonna hit the brakes and let him fly right by." I always took this to mean he was going to drastically cut his thrust, not that the F-14 had brakes.

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I didn't know about the Top Gun thing, but in the Old canon, Boba Fett used this same move on IG-88 using inertial dampeners (or some other random science jargon) That's what I thought he did, and that would work better than brakes because there's still inertia in space.

FUN FACT! Most aircraft *do* have brakes of kind! Airbrakes are a kind of flap that deploy perpendicular to the air-stream to drastically reduce speed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w01jrFK_Pnk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w01jrFK_Pnk#)

This video showcases the brakes on the F-14 airframe


I also really appreciated the Tusken's depiction. Reminded me of Kotor. Especially the line "Tuskens see themselves as the natives - everyone else is a trespasser"

Inertial dampers are what keep you from flying into a bulkhead every time there is a shift in the momentum of a ship. (Provided that you aren't already strapped in.) Thrust, thus far, is the only tried and true method of maneuvering in space.

I stand corrected/reminded. HOWEVER, such a device would still not work in space. ;) What's truly remarkable about such a device is that it takes a surprisingly small area to have a tremendous effect.

I have no real problems with the space combat..........other than the guy who was shooting at the Mando was either very green in space combat, or a moron..............or both. Mando's one shot kill is easy to explain. Better weaponry and better made or up armored ship.

I keep going back to a 90's sci-fi show and their kinetic combat..................Babylon 5. The Starfuries worked on the same flight principles used in this episode we're discussing.

I loved B5, and still watch it.  But I keep going back to the fact that this is a sci-fi show and everything doesn't have to make "scientific sense" just "narrative sense".  Heck, if everything in sci-fi had to make "scientific sense" then all sci-fi would be a joke.

I watched, yet again, last night. This time I paid better attention to the size of Mando's forward blasters: they big. So a direct hit (assuming that the fighter's shields were all front) would totally annihilate that craft.

Speaking of blasters: I love how blaster shots leave the target smoking/steaming from the heat of the laser being dissipated. Even when Mando took that direct hit to the chest.


POINTS! I was going to reference this but didn't remember what they were called. I loved the attention to astrophysics that was applied to this craft. Every maneuver was the result of a thruster.

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Doesn't ALL have to make sense, but it's been my experience that when you pay attention to what details can be properly managed, the bigger suspensions of disbelief are easier to make.

This joke about the legendary accuracy of stormtroopers  ;D

Think you're in the wrong thread.

I spoke about a kind of joke early in ep.6

Just finished watching episode 6 for the 2nd time. I really really liked this one. They really thought this one out.

I know. That was so perfectly timed. I actually really liked this episode. I think it had the best Cameos of any so far. I do wish Matt Lanter could have had a bigger role. I'd love to see him go on and do something big in Live Action SW. There was just so much about this episode I loved. I feel like it was far stronger than the previous two.

I busted out laughing when Baby Yoda tries to use the force on Zero then looks at his own hand when Mando takes out Zero.  Classic! 

This episode was great.... but too short!!

I'll be getting the talking Child plushie next year so, totally the coolest and cutest thing ever to happen so far :P

YAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Word.
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"DAYUM! I am frikkin AWESOME!"

I'll give it a "mostly" thought out. There were some minor issues I had with the execution, but the overall spirit of the episode was........sublime.

GRIPES:

1) The Twi'leks in general bugged me.

  a) Although the purple skin was a hot look, I'm not familiar with it as canon in either case. My only conclusion is that it's the simplistic result of the pairing of Rutian and Lethan Twi'leks.
  b) I thought the lekku on both were too short for their age, unless short lekku are a family trait.
  c) What's with the vampire fangs? For that matter, what's with the vampire act? Both of them act like generic TV vampires. They even looked like generic TV vampires.
  d) What happened to Twi'leks (in general) being exceptionally attractive as a species.? Qin was particularly ugly. The end credit concept art got it right; both of them were beautiful.
 
2) I've done a little research, and no where in either canon does it describe Devaronians as fireproof.

3) Cool as it was to see X-wings kicking ass, did anyone else think their attack was a little fascist? It was all based on assumptions.

4) Why would you have a distress beacon in a remote? :-\ I know it ended up kicking ass, but it was a bit weak as a plot device.

5) You guys seriously had to recycle the droid from ep. 3 to make Zero?

6) How are the guard droids blaster proof one minute, then not as well as susceptible to knife attack?

7) How does one ship dock hard enough that the occupants are shaken, and the other ship doesn't raise a red flag?

8.) The movie throwbacks were awful in this episode.
   a) the Ardennian
   b) the reuse of Jinn's blaster
   c) the reference to Canto Bight _{me}
   d) the Gungan reference
   e) the Rogue class starfighter.......(citing but not complaining)
   f) zero using the same carbine as Boba
 
Alright, enough of that. Time for

SQUEES:

1) The cast: Bill Burr, Clancy Brown, Natalia Tena, Mark Boone Jr., Matt Lanter (despite the lame character). Fun fact: Bill Burr is actually a stand up comedian
2) The Meme drop. Love it.
3) The overall vibe and pacing of the story. Despite my many minute gripes, this episode left me with an exceptional feeling of satisfaction.
4) The lead-ins to Mando's past.

I'm curious how they make a talking plushie of a character that doesn't...........talk. :-\

When you squeeze it, Its just Mando's exasperated sigh /s

Yeah I agree about the Twi’leks. They bothered me. The characterization was fine but the look was wrong.

I thought the Gungan joke was kinda funny. Some of the other things I didn’t catch or didn’t bother me enough t worry over. Though I tend to let a lot of things just go in the Starwars universe.


Heads up in case you haven’t heard. Episode 7 will be dropping on Wednesday instead of Friday. Supposedly so it won’t compete with the movie. Plus I guess it will have a special sneak peak at the movie. Some people are saying it also has a tie-in but as far as I have read that’s just rumor.

My 2 cents..............since this is being targeted for all audiences, my guess is that they want good characters to look nice/pretty and the bad characters to look sly/evil. So the kids can tell who's the baddies vs goodies.

Not sure why they had pointed teeth, unless they filed them down to be more intimidating looking. Many cultures on Earth did that too.

Another line: The twilike (slaves) shown in the original movies (dancers, etc), to ME, were bred for the look/athleticism - by their owners. In the prequels, most shown were Jedi, so as the "good guys" were shown in a better light.

I knew you would notice it  ;D

POINTS!


Well I had read your post before seeing it, so I know to pay attention for it. My money is on Mayfeld is an ex Scout Trooper.

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About the characterization: Xi'an's perpetual hissing, is what bothered me. Coupled with the fangs, the performance was more akin to vampire than anything else.

Concerning the look: I'm particularly let down that even since Filoni uber-fanboy-ed on TCW and modeled ALL Twi'lek off what is seen in Jabba's palace, we've been stuck with ugly males with bulbous heads and sharp teeth. Case is point: Cham Syndulla.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/1/1c/Cham_Syndulla_CT.png/revision/latest?cb=20161113104420)

And now is just as good a time as any to point out the inconsistency of Twi'lek female horns. The original, Oola, was wearing a headdress that had horn shaped covers over her ears. My first proof is the other Twi'lek backup singer:

(https://pm1.narvii.com/6031/e3959341fb8fd3e7f3de7c4c6cadce6254287c26_hq.jpg)

No points on the side of her head.

Then there was this little minx in the Coruscant bar:

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/banthapedia/images/d/d3/Ayy_vida_7.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091028150115)

Again, no protrusion, and the covering would not be high enough to cover horns.

And finally we come to Xi'an, wearing the traditional leather boxers on her head, shows the same amount of bulge at the temples as her brother.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/3/36/Xian_The_Mandalorian.png/revision/latest?cb=20191213123630)(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/4/4d/QinCH6.png/revision/latest?cb=20191214012207)

Way to iron out those canonic inconsistencies, Disney.



I just thought it was a little contrived, beyond the obvious insult that Gungan's are generally classified as simple minded. I guess my hangup on such things stems from the understanding that in a galactic realm of story telling, idioms can only go so far before it's just stupid to assume that everybody in the galaxy knows what you're talking about.  :-\


Thanks for the heads up. +1


Either way, their canines were over exaggerated, and it served no purpose.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that Bib Fortuna and whatever the hell this is, should have been classified as a different species and only been similar to Twi'leks.

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I liked this episode quite a bit. Sad ending though. Also, Mando should know better than to call someone on a comlink when there are imperials who could easily be listening in on your conversation. Just saying.

This was the best episode since the third one.  The ending was fantastic.  I don't think I'm going to be able to concentrate on "The Rise of Skywalker" tomorrow night knowing Baby Yoda might be in danger.  I just have to keep telling myself, "They haven't released any merchandise so they won't hurt Baby Yoda".  Kuiil getting killed is definitely a downer and the sadest moment on the series so far.

Enjoyed this Episode very much.
I really liked seeing the TIE fighter transform into landing mode. At the same time it bothered me just a little bit because after all these years of movies and shows they just now decided to do this? I mean at this point we were pretty much used to the fact that they landed on their “fins”. A nit pick I know.

My guess is this is a special TIE sort of like Vader’s.  Even before the “fins” did their thing it looked a little different.

Its definitely a specialized TIE. We have even new canon sources of TIEs being landed on their wingtips such at the Battlefront II campaign. He is/was a Moff after all.


Also detail I noticed, at some point in the episode something was said about Baby Yoda and nurture vs nature (dont remember the exact line) but it got me thinking

When we first met the little green guy he was terrified of violence, shying away whenever Mando got in a fight. But even a couple episodes later we seen him watching Mando closely during fights, even "cheering him on" in his own way. Its not so surprising that we see him use a Dark Side ability from nowhere now, hes been imprinting off of Mando's violent tendencies. I wonder how that will flesh out.

I gotta refute this. Despite the realization of and old concept drawing, I hated this design. Plus, why wouldn't someone as important as a Moff come in on something with.....shields? :-\ A TIE-Advanced I could see, not.....this thing.

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Also, where the hell is the landing gear supposed to go? Leave to the Disney era numbnuts to think that every possible thing can be crammed beneath the surface of a thing because no machine has functional internal components that take up space. v_v

Nit pick away my fiend. I can't stress how important it is in story telling to nail the fine details because then it makes suspension of disbelief easier for big details.

The stalks are shorter, which might actually make engineering sense to help reduce the amount of landing area needed. The OGs would have slightly longer stalks in order to better accommodate rack clamps.

TIEs have always been able to land on their wings. They're just not very easy to get in and out of......which was kinda the way the Empire wanted it.

I loved the little dark side moment. It showed him reacting off of instinct to help his friend. It also goes to show that there is no light and dark in the Force.

I also loved the "other" incident:

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"I'm helping to fly, daddy."

Also, looking at this close up of Mando's bracer: how the hell does he work that keypad with fat glove fingers?


Did anyone else catch the scout troopers helmet about to flop open?

I loved that they brought in our brethren/sistren in the 501 to help shoot this episode.
Also loved the reuse of the Death Troopers. That whole scene was pretty epic in execution.

Hated that they showed Kuiil like 5' from the ramp, and still manages to get shot down. And where the #$%& was that useless droid?

What gives with Cara covering her stripes and not the Rebel cheek-cheer? What lame story did they concoct for the meaning of the stripes?

Speaking of Cara: I love how they aren't afraid to show her taking hits. Just because she's a kickass hottie doesn't automatically mean you can't hit a girl. What I did hate was the energy binder belts. It started off ok, but then they were able to grab them. If this is how they were supposed to work, then why didn't Jar Jar get tangled instead of shocked? :-\ Same dumb physics as Ezra's slingshot?

I loved how they portrayed the "client" as a zealot. He truly believes that the galaxy thrived under Imperial rule.

Thought the convenience of scouts listening to all the radio chatter was a little hinky, but made sense. What didn't make sense is how they know immediately what direction to go.

And if this was the end of the season, I hate those malicious bastards a) for ending on only 7eps, and b) for dropping such a heart wrenching cliffhanger on us. >:( >:( >:(

Good news then, Logos: Season 1 consists of 8 episodes  ;)

I may be wrong but there was another TIE variant of a variant that is meant to be canon which was named the "TIE/sh VIP shuttle". This was a modified TIE-Bomber and had a set of landing gear and boarding ramp. It was able to carry four passengers and two days' provisions. It also had a low powered cannon and a shield generator. However the TIE/sh VIP was only a short range ship with no hyperdrive and needed escort fighters if enemy ships were nearby. This meant a lot of people preferred the Lambda Class shuttles for it's longer range, avionics/sensors and greater comfort.

Vader's Death Squadron utilised a fleet of TIE/sh shuttles during the Hoth conflict and  the search for the Falcon as radio transmissions between Star Destroyers would have interfered with the sensor sweeps.

Captain Needa's "last voyage" was on a TIE/sh shuttle before Vader choked his aspirations. Around 44ABY in Legends/EU an Ithorian politician named Snaplaunce had an old TIE shuttle painted bright yellow (featured in the book, The Truce at Bakura).

YES! To the first.

YES! To the second.

As for the direction I assumed if they could snoop on the transmission, they might've got a ping on where the receiver was.

I thought the same thing about the directions up until just now. I just realized that they knew which way to go, because they saw which way Greef, Mando and Cara came from.

How 'bout that finale?

Got to see another side of "filler" characters.

Can't wait till we figure out how to make practical Star Wars technology for every day use, so I can watch people be even more suicidal on World's Dumbest Videos.

That was a great finale!  Taika Waititi just needs to be given his own Star Wars movies to do.  My wife totally freaked when the Dark Saber made its appearance.  Too bad we have to wait until the Fall of 2020 for the next season.  Luckily, we will get the final season of "Clone Wars" in February 2020 which will focus on the Siege of Mandalore. 

That was awesome. I was sad to see IG go boom but I get it. I totally expected for Gideion to reappear but not with the Dark Saber. I totally geeked out when that happened. I want to know how he got his hands on it. I gotta rewatch stuff now because didn’t Sabine have ownership of the Dark Saber at one point in time?

Who else wants to see Baby Yoda wearing Beskar armor now?

I've been thinking about this for a while now. I wan't it so bad.

Sabine had it for a while in “Rebels” then gave it to Bo-Katan so they could lead Mandalore.  My guess is there was a second siege of Mandalore by the Empire between that time and the end of the war and Gideon was involved some how.

Oh and how bad ass was the Madolorian smith. I hope we see more of her later.

All Mandolorians are bad ass, but she did have some wicked moves.  She took out those troopers with such ease.  You could almost imagine a bored expression on her face while dumping into the smelter and smashing their helmets in. 

Also did anyone else get a “troopers” vibe from the bit with the scout troopers talking?

That was a great ending to the first season. Was not expecting to see the darksaber, especially in a live action show. I never thought I would get emotional about a droid sacrificing itself, RIP IG.

I've heard speculation that "Mandalore the Great" is a renaming of "Mandalore the Ultimate" and supposed to be referring to the Mandalorian Wars. Thoughts?

I had the same thoughts/ Especially since they referred to Mandalore the Great having a large war with the Jedi. Tantalizing bit of dialogue there.

Also appreciation to the forgemaster who took out a squad of stormtroopers with a forge hammer and a crucible.

Also loved that Djin's sigil is a Mudhorn

My research revealed the same. Plus the LCS is just a bitchin' ride. 8)

A'ight Captain Jack. This isn't a bad notion considering that they were in scout gear.

I'll give it a solid maybe, but there was no guarantee that one could cut a straight path from the landing sight to the city.

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As for the finale....

SQUEEEEEE. That was awesome.

I need some clarification:

They said that Mandalorian isn't a race, but a creed......so what do they call the denizens of Mandalore? :-\

I was waiting with bated breath for one of them to say "You ever wonder why we're here?" ;D ;D ;D

Has it been established that this new batch of troopers aren't holdovers from the Empire, and aren't fully trained? Considering that scout also act as snipers, I find it dismally bad canon-keeping for them to be that laughably bad at shooting.

And seriously? Can't anybody get those helmets to stay closed?


All the points for IG-11. Dropping troops like it's going out of style. BOOYA! However, why didn't he detect the threat in ep7 and render aid to Kuiil?

I thought it was a bit of a stretch that his combat chassis could survive walking through lava, but it made for a good story. I had more problems with the gondolier.

Although I saw it a mile away, I liked how IG argued that being a droid, he is not living, and therefore would not break "the Way" by seeing his face in order to help him. Although, it was a bit sappy that Mando gets all mushy at the prospect of IG sacrificing himself.


As for the Armorer.........I want to have her babies.

(https://assets1.ignimgs.com/2019/11/15/emily-swallow-mandalorian-armorer-1573837206742.jpg) (Yes this is what she looks like under the armor. ;D)

Although I was confused how she managed to track and strip all those fallen Mandos and get the beskar back to the covert without being detected, I'm hoping that it only adds to just how truly badass she really is. Speaking of truly badass, anybody get the notion that she is the one that found him, as well as all the others in the covert, and then trained them?

And did anyone else notice this on the pauldron of the Mando that found him?

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So explain: would this have been another faction of Death Watch; not the one led by Pre Vizsla?


Speaking of which............<sigh> mark this date in history......I liked what they did with the Dark Saber. ::) It was longer and sleeker, less asymmetric short sword looking. I can get behind this iteration, even if it is still flat.

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I am very much liking Gideon. Pity he had such a short presence in this season. He is utterly ruthless, and honest about it. Finally a proper villain. Was it to be assumed that he is the one that approached Fennec Shand's body? Cuz they never got back to that, and it irked me.


According to Wookieepedia, the Great was around during the Clone Wars while the Ultimate died on Malachor V at the hand of Revan. NM


All in all, it is truly sad that

Wookieepedia says no such thing.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mandalore_the_Great


That's literally all there is on the topic.

Then I misread it.

And now I can die happy and fulfilled.

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Excuse me, but the quote is: "WHAT? No. Why are we here; in this box canyon?"

I paraphrased a bit for the purpose of the setting :P

given that Navarro seems like it doesnt have too many canyons.

Ah.

Alright, lets get this discussion started again!

Thoughts everyone?

I quite enjoyed the first episode. I’m curious who the person was at the end watching the Mando ride off into the sunset.

That's Boba Fett, I'm 99% sure

That’s my thought too, I was just wondering if there is any confirmation yet?

None but it makes the most sense.  If it was another clone it would be a lot older...but since Boba didn't have his age accelerated it fits.

Boba is the only one that makes sense. Plus if you listen closely, you can hear that he still wears the spurs. Which also means that it was Boba that walked up on Fennec Shand's body in Chapter 5.

I did confirm that’s the same actor that played Jango at the very least so all my bets are on Boba.

Disney ... Solo, Rogue One, Rebels, Clone Wars and the Mandalorian .... How can Disney make a so awful trilogy and so great stand alone movies and shows ...

Jon Favreau .... I LOVE THIS GUY  ;D

The Western ambiance, the dragon .... the last picture ... perfection ....

Because Solo, R1, Rebels, TCW and Mando are all made by Star Wars fans. The trilogy were made by movie fans who happen to like and have been influenced by Star Wars (but seriously, who hasn't in the movie business).

SERIOUSLY!?!? That was Temuera Morrison. How could you NOT know who the character was?

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THIS

I've heard this about last season, as well. And now that you bring it up, I had a 'HOLY $#!%' moment in the form of remembering hearing Boba walking through Bespin as they took Solo to Slave I. He had the sound of spurs. Now I seriously hope that it's just supposed to be a sound effect for something else, as spurs on an interstellar bounty hunter makes about as much sense as gills on a desert bird.

Now I remember also hearing a rumor that Rex could show up. There was much speculation about age. I was of the mind that he would be positively ancient.

Meh. I wouldn't say they were great. They had some good moments, but also had some real stinkers. And IMO, Filoni is far more miss than hit.

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Ok, now on to the review.

Getting back to Tatooine is always fun. I cannot get enough of the scenes of a speeder cruising the sand dunes. It is just supremely relaxing. I thought it was exceptionally neglectful for Mando to just stuff the kid in a satchel bag with no eye protection or sand filtration. And then he spontaneously switches sides of the speeder. :P YAY for Timothy Olyphant. Took me a minute to recognize him. The grey goatee threw me off. MOAR YAY for the modified Radon-Ulzer 620C into Cobb's speeder. However, if they even hint at that being specifically one of Anankin's engines, Ima completely burn Disney to the #$%&ing ground. Also, that thing should have left Mando's piddly speeder in the dust. The overall story wasn't bad. I'm torn on how they depicted the Krayt. I was excited as hell to finally see one live action. However, I was a bit let down that they turned it into a sand worm. All source material indicated that it was a giant lizard, or literally a dragon, like the Komodo. But at the same time, when we see the skeleton in ANH, no legs are shown. I can cut them some slack on that, but honestly I was a bit underwhelmed that they ripped off Tremors. And seriously? The pearl? A widely accepted alternative crystal for a lightsaber.......is the size of a basketball. Way to do your research you overpaid tools. And what the hell did they do to the bantha? They looked cheap as hell, AND the dummies made them all the same age (look at the horns). NTM Tuskens have a powerful bond with their bantha that approaches symbiotic. I don't see them willingly sacrificing them. Not a terribly great showing for the first episode of the season.

On a wildlife life note: Kath wanted me to pass on that if it were using it's stomach acid offensively, blowing its guts open would spoil the meat.

To my understanding, this can also depend on whether its stomach acid or if the liquid in question comes from a separate dedicated organ. Hard to argue anatomy with so little info though. I'd also argue the Marshall's speeder could outpace Djin's rustbucket if he needed it to but he was leading Mando to the nest so no reason to. I'd also like to raise the Tusken language and culture as a high point of the episode, Banthas aside, we see firsthand how willing they are to communicate as long as you know how, which has been a theme occasionally in Legends that was nice to see. Also apparently the sign language component of their language was invented with the assistance of a deaf individual fluent in ASL to make it as realistic as possible which is neat.

I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. As soon as Tatooine and Mandalorian were mentioned in the same sentence my hair stood on end, because it meant Boba was coming back. Not a huge surprise for me personally because in the EU he made it out of the Sarlacc as well and so always figured one day they would incorporate him back in. This was really one of those times where I almost hated being as much of a Star Wars junkie because I figured they might include a Krayt Dragon and literally 10 minutes after thinking it, boom, there it was on screen. I've wanted to see a live one since we saw the skeleton in A New Hope. It's... different from how I imagined, Logos nailed my feelings on that.

It's a pretty good start to the series and as my excitement only grows I just hope they don't screw things up, especially with one of my favorite Jedi poised to make her live action debut.  ;)


I kinda hate to say it but it totally looks like part of Anakin's pod. Only had the chance to see it once but the coloring seems to be a dead match. It's about 41 years after Anakin turned Sebulba's ride into spare parts. Quite a long time, but I'd imagine on a planet like Tatooine they'd still be using it.

Okay, time to get Logos all riled up again about them not doing research.

What were the Tuskan's launchers made from? Because it sure looked like wood to me, and there is no wood on Tatooine (unless imported, in which case, the Tuskan's wouldn't have it, because the settlers wouldn't allow them too), and they looked like a design that the Tuskan's had had for many many years.

As for the thing about the Tuskan culture, I agree. One of the best things about The Mandalorian so far is how much it has delved into the cultures of the various species. Ugnaughts, Jawas, Tuskans, Mandos, etc. As someone who has a deep love for that kind of thing, this is a huge positive for the show.

Ooh, guys I just found this out about Krayt Dragons!

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Krayt_dragon

There are two species. Greater Krayt dragons (like we saw in Mando), and Canyon Krayt Dragons (the more lizard looking).

Correct.  The only difference between This "Canon" Greater Krayt Dragon and its Old EU Counterpart was the Acid Spit and having no visible legs.  The swimming through sand and developing much larger pearls are the same. So, Sorry Logos...their research was good on this.


Now as to the Bantha thing...that I wonder about as well.  Both current and old canon talk about the bond between Bantha and Tusken.  Perhaps the Bantha's used were NOT the Tuskens.  Everyone on Tattoine domesticated the Bantha (as seen with the first Bantha ate was at the settlement).  Maybe it was the villiagers Bantha's they were using.  But then you would have to figure would the Tusken's allow that?  or not care since it wasn't theirs.  



ALSO:  Sam Witwer Cameo

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Even in Canon there seems to be two varieties of Krayt Dragon though. If you look specifically at the canon page, it talks about there being two varieties, we just know more about the Greater Krayt species ATM.

As much as I love the Witwer cameo, I really wish they would do more than just give cameos to these actors. I would love to see them get a solid character to play with. Sam is a great actor (as we've seen over and over again), an he could use a solid, reoccurring role. Same with Matt Lanter. He was in the one episode, but they killed him instantly. I'd love to see the voice actors with live action experience have a semi-significant role.

We already have a chat on that point and I fully understand your point of view ;)

Jon Favreau is a fan ... and like every SW fans, he certainly has his favorite moments in the EU (old and new) and he enjoys to create new stories based on that. And I love that (even if he makes some mistake and you are right about that)

Just imagine if he made Ep. 7 to 9 ...

Perhaps, but considering that it was not just coming from the mouth, but the throat, it is a safe bet that it was regurgitated stomach acid.

Maybe, but I find it difficult to believe that it would have the ability to throttle down to that slow. C'est la vie. That was the least of my gripes.

Exactly. It was a great character aspect that he was extremely difficult to kill. But I remember hearing early in the speculations of TFA that the Disney regime fervently denounced his survival, and that the character was officially dead.

Well, I am podracing tifosi. Radon-Ulzer is a manufacturer, and the 620C is merely one model of engine design.

Collor Pondrat was another manufacturer. Sebulba used their Behemoth model with a split-X configuration. A concept drawing had them as twin Vs.
(https://img.swcombine.com//vehicles/58/large.jpg)

Mars Guo also used Collor Pondrat engines, but his were the Gargantuan series.
(https://dev-images.swcombine.com//vehicles/57/large.jpg)

Ben Quadinaros used Balta Trabat BT310 Quadra-pod.
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Anyway, the marshal's speeder is definitely the same model of engine that Anakin used. Of that I have no doubt or problem. But every time a simple nostalgic nod turns into a full-on direct affiliation, I get irate. It's like they think we won't be able to recognize that the story is still SW unless we're reminded every 5 minutes by having something we've already seen this exact thing in a previous installment, or that is has a direct association with a well known character or event. It's frelling insulting and I'm sick of it.

I assume you're talking about the "slug-thrower" rifles that they use? One of 2 theories:

1) the "wood" isn't wood. The shoulder stocks might be made of bone that has been stained.
2) as was pointed out in this episode, Tuskens ARE raiders. There is a good chance that wood would be stolen from those that either brought it with them from off world, or imported it.

This is known as anthropology. I am enjoying it as well. Provided they don't get ridiculous. But....no. They totally screwed the pooch on Ugnaughts.

Excellent find. Points

Oh, I love it when someone pays better attention to the details than me. Huzzah! Like when I was initially disappointed in Solo, that they were building SDs on Corellia. I remember think "Those dummies. SDs are from Kuat Drive Yards. But then I remembered Han's line about "the big Corellian ships", and was like "WHOA!"

Maybe.

Woo? But such a waste.

No doubts. Had HE done 7, 8, & 9 I probably would have been excited for the subsequent releases as well as greater things to come. I may not always agree with directions he takes, but I'm far less disappointed.

Nope, I'm talking about the crossbow ballista thingies. The rifles never bothered me.

Oh yeah. Those stupid things. No idea.

Stupid as in design?  Cause those were the pride of the Roman Army.  Or stupid in that Tuskan's have them?  Because like you said....They are raiders.  Those could have been taken from a settlement or the materials.  Pretty much I assume that anything the Tuskan's have that isn't a Bantha was taken from a settlement.

They seemed a bit janky. Plus,.....sure, the Tuskens just HAPPENED to have ballistae for such an occasion.

Not really far fetched to imo.  They obviously have had to defend or hunt Krayt's before so it would stand to reason they would have weapons capable of using against them.  This maybe the first time they went against a Greater Dragon before though.  In real life they could be disassembled for transportation so I see no reason to think it different in SW.

This. Like Djin himself said, Tuskens survived for thousands of years in the Dune Sea...this wasn't their first rodeo with a Krayt. My guess is the tribe was either too small to deal with a Greater Krayt or had only dealt with lesser Krayts prior.

True. I will give the contingency of defending against canyon krayts. But I would have thought canyon krayts, being smaller, would be too fast for a ballista to be of use. But I could be wrong. Different Terran lizards have varying speed capabilities regardless of size.

Better question: Is Krayt a proper name? I see many of you capitalizing it.

I've always seen in presented as such.

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Tepes, you hunt. Your thoughts on stomach acid that strong not only spoiling the meat but still be caustic enough to burn on contact

Forgive me..I'm not braining well today.  Are you asking do I think a predator like the Krayt would have/utilize such a process?  If so then I have to say no.  Most of the animals I know of that have defense mechanisms like that are either prey, carrion or smaller predators like lizards.  Larger Alpha predators generally don't need such a defense.  So...it was odd to see...unless you consider a scary thought......maybe that was a small one :P

Actually have a note on the acid, found on the canon page for Krayts on Wookieepedia:

"Their bodies produced krayt venom, which helped the dragons as an acid in pre-digestion of their food.[5] If a krayt dragon felt threatened, it could project the venom from its mouth, instantly dissolving any organic tissue that the venom came into contact with."

Appears to be a an acidic venom produced somewhere in the back of the throat.

Also from the Legends portion of the article concerning pearl size:

"Similar to their smaller kin, the greater krayt dragon developed pearls inside their gizzard, called Krayt dragon pearls. However, these were much larger and more valuable than standard krayt dragon pearls."

Which is not uncommon to see in animals....except for Alpha Predators like the Krayt.  So.....just no real research into animal science and just done to look cool OR There's a bigger fish that can threaten a Krayt.

 
Doubtful, considering Greater Krayts canonically and in legends will even go after Sarlaccs. Maybe an oversight in the realism department but I'm willing to pass it under "rule of cool"


Personally, I just have a bad habit of capitalizing nouns.

No, I’m in agreement with you on an apex predator using such a gimmick for attack/defense. I’m saying the idea that stomach acid that caustic would spoil meat and possibly be strong enough to still do damage to the Tusken while they were digging. My thoughts went to a gut shot X100. That crud would’ve seeped into everything and pretty much all the exposed meat would be tainted. My second thought was when predator trapping you have to lay them on their backs because within a few hours the stomach acid will eat through the stomach and cause green belly. Obviously the dragons acid is so caustic it melts on contact therefore I believe it coating chunks of meat in the carcass could/would still burn on contact



And now it seems to be a moot point. Venom seems overdone in a predator that size but whatever

Oh yea......see not braining.  Plus, cards on the table I still have not ponied up the dough for Disney+ and just watch clips and read the synopsis to keep up with the Mandalorian.  I did not realize they were harvesting the meat until I saw the full clip a few movements ago.  But yes, 100%.  there is no way that much if any of that meat would be salvageable.  Of course it was so large if even 5% of it survived it would be enough...but still.   Even if the acid was from its throat its actual stomach acid would still be an issue.  From a realistic pov.  I have had the displeasure of having my hand in a carcass when an idiot nicked the stomach.....literal S**t show.    

Ep. 2 in 22h .... too long  :'(

I am seeing teaser trailers with speeder bikes taking sick jumps off of a cliff.....HOW SOON TILL THAT?

And Ahsoka ... When????

I saw something about that on Google last night. It looked like a Hot Toys figure of Rosario as Ahsoka. I think the biggest shock to the system will be Ahsoka going from Ashley's soprano to Rosario's alto. Kinda like what happened with 2 generations of Lando.

I actually thought that Donald Glover did an excellent job matching Billy Dee Williams intonations and cadence as Lando.  That said, you're right that BDW is more baritone versus DG's tenor.

Still, one could chalk up Ahsoka's deepened voice to age and experience (say living in the harsh desert climes of Tatooine or the like).  Regardless, I am looking forward to seeing Ahsoka in a live action setting and consider the casting of Rosario Dawson perfect  :)

Well, they take the same French actress for dubbing Ahsoka so I think we will not have voice issue here ...

I will watch the original version too ....

I know the Indian Star Wars social media put up something last week straight up confirming Rosario as Ahsoka and it was quickly taken down.  Maybe though this is the biggest troll in history :P.  My main issue with the Mandalorian is that...it is doing what the Sequels should have done...respecting the past while moving forward.  We get the awesome new characters who fit perfectly in the SW universe.  Din, The Child, Greef, Cara, Cobb....then we're going to see Ahsoka, Bo Katan and maybe Sabine show up.  Hell Maybe Sasha Banks is playing Bariss and they just edited out her tattoos for the trailer.  But we know....they won't be heavily involved in the main storyline.....and it sucks.

Maybe after it's said and done we find out Ahsoka started a group of Force Users in secret now lead by an armor wearing Baby Yoda wielding the Darksaber who comes out of hiding to aid Rey against a new threat. :p

Don't get me wrong, Donald nailed everything (and THAT is saying something) that I expected for Lando.....just not the voice. But that's because only one actor sounds like Lando.

Yeah that.

Only 1h30 to wait for Ep.02 .... this lockdown has some advantages  ;D

Done ... I will wait for you to watch it to before spoiling ;)

Why wouldn't they simply offer the role to the original actress? Granted all she did was stand around looking padawan-ish in the prequels, but still.

And now you've just completely ruined the franchise. Way to go. -_-

Four more hours before I get home and can watch!!!

You misspelled "saved".....

So, we have to wait for knowing the role of Ahsoka ;)

So what about this episode ??

First contact withe the New Republic, X-Wings, Spiders ...

Just a "Monster of the week" episode. I used to enjoy this type of episodes in the past when watching X-Files. But X-Files Seasons were 20+ episodes. Here, we have seasons with only 8 episodes ... I hope there will be not a lot of episodes like this.

We already had contact with the fascist New Republic and X-wings last season.

No I didn't. You said "Rey". That's enough to ruin anything.

Hey...sometimes you got to take what you get.  But if Baby Yoda comes in ultra badass and shows up Rey Fakewalker...we celebrate

He already did in Ep.1. He showed up, and was adorable, and didn't say anything. Game, set, match: Baby Yoda.

My mistake!!

I spoke about this current season ;)

Meh. Was less than thrilled by the Reps showing up.

Touché

I always love to see X-Wings ...

... but they are just a Deus Ex Machina in this episode ....

I think the point of this EP was to show the Republic is aware of Din and "friendly" towards him.  I'm sure that will come to play.    Looking at the Episode List...there is of course no Titles on the rest of the episodes or even directors...Except for Ep. 5 (13 overall).  It lists Filoni as Director.  If I had to put money on which episode Ahsoka would show up in...its that one.

Are those the same kinda spiders from Rebels?

Also anyone else find Baby Yoda eating the eggs a bit disturbing? I get the idea of it but I didn’t like the idea of him eating that last remaining line of a family. I actually didn’t find the end where he snuck one last egg to be cute or funny.
I know the show is fiction and all that but it still bothered me for some reason.

That's right. :P

Not the same spiders as from Rebels. Those were Krykna. These are based off of the White Spider or Knobby White Spider from Ralph McQuarrie's concept art for Degobah.

My theory about The Child wanting to eat as much as he does, is that he needs to eat a lot more food than he does in order to grow. If we look at this in relation to Yoda, we know that Yoda was 100 when he began to train other Jedi. If the child is already 50, than he has a long ways to go in a relatively short amount of time. I think up until recently, he hasn't been given enough food to eat in order to grow at the pace that he should be, and that is the reason why there is such a focus on him wanting to eat stuff. If you notice in this episode, he has eaten more than in all other episodes combined.

As to your point about it being disturbing, I can definitely see why you would think so. Personally it wasn't really one way or the other for me, but I can definitley see why someone would be bothered by it.

Yeah you point on him needing to eat is kinda the same thought I had. I also get that was what they were going for with him constantly thing to get at the eggs, eating a spider out of the shell and then sneaking another egg at the end. I understood the concept they were going for.
I just felt making him eat something that was a creatures last chance at continuing their line a bit disturbing for me. However I also realize that they needed a mcguffin for getting him in that tight spot and the creatures urgency to keep moving. For them to throw in some other “item” for baby Yoda to eat that he shouldn’t eat would have been a bit much jamming things in.
I won’t say it was a bad episode. Enjoyed the X-Wings even if pointless. I enjoyed watching him pilot the Razor Crest like that. Also they did a good job creeping me out and keeping me on edge with those spider but I don’t like spiders in the first place.

But overall this is the first episode I could pass on watching again when I inevitably rewatch the season.

That's what I initially thought, but then I remembered, or at least thought I remembered, that the spiders from SWR were impervious to even a saber, never mind blasters. Perhaps a subspecies.

I have mixed feelings on the subject. On the one hand, they were just unfertilized eggs; they contained no young. On the other, they were ova of a sentient race. Further more, the fact that the little $#!% kept eating them, after he was told not to, did little to endear him this episode.

My thoughts on his perpetual appetite goes all the way back to ESB: "How you get so big, eating food of this kind?" As with Taegin, makes me think that the "Yoda" species goes through an aggressive puberty like phase in which mass quantities must be consumed in order to grow into their full adult size. The Child is not getting the proper nourishment and therefore is eating everything in sight. But I still thought he needed an ass whoopin after the second egg.

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Now onto my own thoughts:

What a waste of time. First off.....what the $%^& is with a pair of X-Wings "patrolling" the Outer Rim. IT'S FRIKKIN HUGE. It's like having 2 city cops going on patrol in the MID WEST. It's a painfully useless and lame effort to establish that Republic has our hero on the proverbial radar. Then there's the other aspects of WTF (and this is just surrounding the Xs):

1) #$%&-up Filoni back in the cockpit. <puke>
2) When did blaster rifles become standard issue gear for pilots?
3) How the flying fark did those idiots find the Crest, if he lost them that easily?
4) What the hell is a "ping", and why was it needed?
5) What the hell are "tabs"? No it didn't sound like it was in the context of "keeping tabs on someone".
6) Am I the only one seeing how utterly Nazi-esque the New Republic is being?
7) How the hell did they know anything that had transpired aboard the prison ship, especially on a personal level?

I'm probably missing others, but I think I've made my point. X-wings are becoming a bad omen.

Next let's talk about the spideys. The whole setup of the nest was good. It better have been considering that they ripped right out of the Alien franchise. The dormant eggs suddenly hatch when a heat source is detected, indicating food. I was alright with the immediate threat of the nest......but the others? Seriously? It wasn't bad enough that they rip off Aliens, now they have to rip-off frikkin Harry Potter...again? And if we're ripping off HP, why didn't we get any magic-hand-thing, baby?

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Moving on. The Frog. This franchise is seriously beiginning to bat 1000 in horrible clichés. What is a member of a seemingly amphibious species doing on a desert planet? Then she has to get to "the only planet suitable for her babies to grow". Really.....that would be the species' planet of origin? ô¿o Did we get a writer that dumbed out of biology? If it was so important for you continue your family line, YOU DON'T GO JUMPING AROUND SPACE. Especially getting your dumbass stuck not being able to jump through hyperspace. And why can't your unfertilized eggs "survive" hyperspace? I thought was ridiculously lame twist. Mostly because IMO even with their superior engine tech, it would take a lllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg time to cover almost any traversable distance via sub-light. And that's assuming it's a straight shot.

What was the deal with the bandits, and why would they waste their time trying to pick off 1 speeder bike? It was an awful contrivance, and ultimately served no point beyond a lame joke about launching a Jawa wannabe with remote-control-action. And that turd was nothing more than another lame throw back to the ST. <barf>

My only solace is that it took the first season 3 episodes to really find its footing, maybe the 2^nd will follow that pattern.

Yeah beyond the whole yoda/egg thing you list reasons I really didn’t care for this episode. It just felt like an excuse to set up things. The moment they said no hyperspace I was like yep this is lame. Saw the whole X-wing thin leg coming a mile a way. I did enjoy the dog fight.  I was hoping it would be one of those “the force at work” things and they would find a unexpected direction for their journey but nope. Also thought the rebels showing up in the nic of time to save the day was stupid. If they were gonna introduce them in the show I would have rather it been a thing where they are constantly trying to catch him but he always gets away from either luck or skill. Kinda of a “fugitive” type situation but even that would have been super cliche.

I didn’t mind the bandit thing. I viewed it differently. One fo the bandits told another one to grab the child. So I was under the impression that it was either a bunch of thugs out to claim the bounty or possibly some guys working for Boba Fett to catch Mando because he isn’t ready to reveal himself yet.

Like I said before, disturbing stuff aside, this so far is the weakest episode for me. Hopefully they tie it in somehow that makes it a important episode later.

Ok Darth Nitpick :P    Allow me to maybe answer a few of these and we'll see if they satisfy you.


I don't think its fair to judge an episode as a waste of time when the season has barely started.  Who knows what will come into play later.  They plainly said that area was now under New Republic Authority....so patrols are to be expected.  No one said they were the only 2 out there.  Do you see Every cop in the city at the same time?  Stands to reason this was the patrol pair for this section.



Just let it go Elsa.....its his baby and he's gonna show up as much as he wants.  Better than KK being in the Cockpit,


Do we know it wasn't?  Especially for this new era of patrols.  Highway patrol (at least where I'm from) Have Ar-15's in their trunks.  Not far fetched to think they had more than a blaster in case they had to crash land.

That's like asking "How did Qui-Gon just happen to wind up on the same planet as The Chosen One"  Will of the Force/Writers.  Every show/movie/book has things like this in it.

A Ping or Sensor Ping is a way of targeting and identifying ships.  Its used in a few of the Flight Star Wars games including the recent Squadrons.  Basically in this case since he didn't have a transponder they wanted a ping...kind of like running is Plate/ship description.


Must have missed that part.  Where was that said?



This is a direction they began with the first Disney Canon novel Aftermath.  Basically meet the new boss same as the old boss situation. Not a fan.

Pretty damn sure every inch of that ship was being recorded.  They saw everything we did and word got around.


We know many species and families got displaced during the Galactic Civil War.  Either their planet was destroyed or this particular family was banished/in hiding.  So the husband hides his wife on a desert planet (who would look for them there) and finds a planet they can raise a family on.  Works and eeks out a life and then calls for her. 

My guess is the Cronau Radiation emitted by hyperdrives.  Many things as fragile as an egg would be affected by that even if everyone else isn't.

From what I can tell Sub Light is any speed bellow lightspeed so even 1 or 2 kph below lightspeed is considered sublight.  Now, I'm not an engineer, scientist, mathematician etc.  Just a brute that likes to hit things with sticks but that seems to me that would cut travel from hours to days.  Especially since it was close by.


Since one of them clearly said "grab the kid" i'm betting Moff Giedion still has a hit on them.  But a Mando's jet pack was too much for that guy to resist.  How was a it a throwback?  Was it something that happened in TROS?  Because I still have not watched it.


Now as for the egg thing...maybe I'm heartless but it didn't bother me.  I was more focused on why BY was so voracious.  He was looking like that Dragon Steak was all his.  I'm with everyone on that this maybe some biologically induced urge.  We know Yoda was training Jedi by the time he was 100 so the Child should at least be much further along in his development.  But no interaction and bare minimum nutrition may have stunted him.   As for the Frog Lady I don't think we've seen the last of her....she has her own character poster so I doubt she's a one and done.
 

Hey .... I can not stop thinking to her in the cockpit now ;D

Well This should piss some people off LOL!

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First let me say that I don’t judge anyone on how they feel about the child/egg thing. I don’t think your heartless for it not bothering you. Honestly I was surprised it bothered me so much cause it’s fiction it’s not real.

Second if they are ac happy making toys/figures around this scene it seems to solidify to me that it’s an important scene in the growth of the baby. Cause you know for them to have that avalible already they had to have some images and lead time to work on it.

Just had the same convo with an Employee....

And that may just be what this is. Stand-alone, it blows chunks, but added to a larger whole it may yield results.

That brings up ANOTHER WTF X-Wing moment: WHY, for the the love all that is good and awesome in SW, would random dipstick pilots say "May the Force be with you"? It makes no sense. It's a Jedi salutation. Now considering it's heritage in Rogue Squadron, I'll let it pass if it was them saying to one another. But this just came across like creepy cultists ambushing you at the airport. (Sorry, just watched Airplane! over the weekend.)

True. But it'd be fun. It's not like they magically a treasure trove of original story concepts when they started this project.

Maybe, but unlikely. The Client is dead, and the bounty on Mando has been rescinded.

I'm a Sith engineer. It's what I do. Shut up.

Granted. But seriously. Think about how many craft it would take to effectively patrol the Outer Rim. Plus, in this little illustration, there's a lovely section distinctly marked Hutt Space. Fairly certain they haven't liberated that. And considering that he couldn't jump from Tatooine space, it's a good bet that the entire episode took place in Hutt Space.

WRONG! It is Favreau's baby. Filoni didn't even direct. It's just Disney reminding us that we're watching SW in their usual fashion.

Also, touché.

Ok, but in the cockpit? After watching ESB, we all know that X-Wings have a usable payload beyond torpedoes. Luke pulled a rather healthy amount of supplies out. Further research reveals that the cargo bay is located below and just aft of the cockpit. I assumed it is accessible from both the main exterior hatch, but also from behind the pilot's seat. Having a rifle in the supplies stored in the hold I can understand. Having a good pistol in the cockpit I can understand, but not a rifle.

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Meh. Will of the Force is a lame cop out. And then no one ever talks about how the Force "willed" the destruction of the Jedi and the fall of the Republic. :-\

So it was a nod to the gaming community? I can live with that.

Same scene. First they asked for a ping, then they started talking about tabs. Then they locked s-foils in attack position.

But I thought Zero scrambled all sensors on board. Otherwise, IMO, they would have been made as soon as the hatch opened.

Maybe. But this just seemed awfully set up for the sake of a story. "I lost my home world, I need to get to my husband, this is the last hope for my family line, AND I can't travel via hyperspace."

Maybe, but why not then make an egg pod that protects AGAINST said known harmful thing.......and locks so sticky fingered imps can't get their hands on said precious contents. Y'know....something smart? Instead we get the same old predictably stupid way of developing conflict.

Look at it this way: When the Death Star arrived in the Yavin System (which I have yet to hear if a "system" is named for solar or planetary), it took a fair amount of time for it to be able to move into range at sub-light speed. And it took a fair amount of minutes to do so. This also meant that our valiant heroes had to fly even farther to reach the surface of the station, taking well more than the few minutes that were shown. I estimate that even under the rules of the fictional science, Red and Gold Squadrons would have taken anywhere from 30m to an hour to fly from Rebel Base to intercept the Death Star. This distance was within the sphere of Yavin Prime; tantamount to the earth to the moon. So I can easily imagine travelling sub-light to a neighboring star system taking weeks at the fastest. And this may have been implied and not mentioned, just sayin'. Not impossible but extremely inconvenient.

I've seen the mask before. I don't think Gideon is too proud to rely on subcontractors to get what he deems as his. He would have sent Imps to get the job done. People he could trust to follow his orders to the letter. Especially after what happened the last time.

Saw it last week, even before I saw the episode.

I'd just like to quickly point this out to Logos. You know, if you don't like the show, or don't like what Disney is doing with Star Wars, you are not and never have been forced to watch it. Just saying.

And one more thing really quickly, Filoni in an acting role can only be a good thing for him as a director. By having that first-hand experience as an actor, he now has a better understanding of what it involves, and how to more accurately communicate to those under his direction what he wants.

Imagine Peter Jackson managed to get his nasty Hollywood hands on the rights to all of Tolkien's writings, and now had carte blanche to do whatever he wanted with them. Does this thought make you happy?

That still won't stop him from wrecking almost everything he touches.

Not particularly, because I believe that the rights belong to the Tolkien Estates. That being said, I don't hate the LOTR or Hobbit Trilogies, I just don't think they are good representations of Tolkien's books. But, I would absolutely watch every movie/tv show created around that IP at least once to see if it was any good, because I would love to see a good adaption. Here's the difference between LOTR and SW, LOTR started as books. The books are the originals, there is nothing "canon" to Tolkien's works that he did not directly have his hand in writing. Any adaption could not possibly be canon, because Tolkien wrote books, not movies.
SW on the other hand was created by George Lucas as a series of movies telling the story of the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker. When his story was told, he made a tv show called The Clone Wars that was related to, but did not directly effect his story. He then gave Dave Filoni (his apprentice) the power to do pretty much whatever he wanted within the galaxy he had thought up. Then he sold SW to Disney so they could continue on the legacy of his story (which, for better or worse, they did). Now Disney is working with people like Filoni and Favreau who know and love SW like you and I do in order to make something that is almost universally loved by SW fans (of course there are those who don't like it, and that is fine, media is subjective), whereas the ST was extremely divisive.

No one is forcing you or me to watch Mando, just like no one would force me or Tepes to watch anything related to Tolkien's works. We watch it because we want to. Once we find out we don't like it, we quit watching. I'm not saying that you should quit watching Mando, that is a choice you need to make for yourself, but it is an option.


I'm sorry you feel that way.

It was said my more than a few people who weren't Rogue Squadron or Jedi in the OT.   Two Main examples are the guy who gave the driefing in ANH (sorry character name eludes me) and Admiral Ackbar just before the assault on DS II.  It seems as if it was taken up by the Rebellion as another aspect of defiance against Papa Palpatine.


He will be directing the 5th Episode and its both of theirs really.  But after looking up somethings it seems as if Filoni and the other two directors/creators who made cameos as X-Wing pilots was an inside joke between Filoni and Favreau that Favreau went ahead and implemented.



Just going on context Tabs maybe like a plate or Vin number.  "Oh no Transponder or ping?  OK.  Your going to have to come with us so we can physically check your ship."





If every character did "smart" things...there would be no stories.  Don't get me wrong Lazy Writing exists but I don't automatically equate plot convince with lazy.  Outer Rim, Post Empire, poor creatures....stands to reason their not rolling in resources.  If they were she could have chartered a more comfortable and reliable flight.

I said "imagine". But then you go hit the nail on the head. I watch with the hope that it gets better.

I guess you're not getting it. Trust me, "love" for something does not always equate to best care despite best intentions. Case in point: take a look at how many have small dogs that are morbidly obese. :-\

Mando is pretty much the only thing that even comes close to really feeling SW in like the last decade. And I can't totally say that my frustration of late is solely due to Disney #$%&ing up SW. Sadly, my OCD makes it difficult to quit something before it is finished, more so if it something that I invested myself in. And I hate to come off as a troll, but until I find a someone more responsible than the DIRECTOR to pin the ever-higher pile of #$%& ups, my wrath falls on Filoni.

But it was still used within confines of Rebel activety. Granted, the OT didn't have much to do outside of the rebellion, but still....

Ok?

Take you word for now. Need to watch again.

She's smart enough to hot-wire a droid to act as a translator, but not enough fix the bigger reason she's in trouble?

Maybe

Just pointing out it wasn't an ego trip on Filoni's part...but a decision made by Faverau.

I actually wasn't trying to blame Filoni directly for that bit. It's just, as I explained, the Outer Rim is not a small place, so the odds of randomly running into someone that you barely had a chance almost encounter with has an unbelievably low probability.

My only conclusion is that somewhere in their market research, Lucasfilm{D} discovered that people like seeing things that they've already seen before. I being the exception, unless the repetition serves a defined purpose. Even still, Lucasfilm{D} overuses this way too much; to a level of they truly believe we won't get that we're watching SW unless it's crammed full of $#!% that we already saw in other SW installments. To me it's insulting, but it wouldn't be the first I had personal disagreement with the way mainstream humanity thinks. :-\

Also, henceforth I will no longer be blaming Disney for my SW gripes, but rather the Disney era regime of Lucasfilm which I have designated Lucasfilm{D}.

Storywise I think it has to do with the New Republic being stretched so thin and losing so many pilots during the GCW.  So yea the Outer Rim is huge but if you do run into an Xwing good chance it will be someone familiar.  But like a lot of things in star wars there is a real world explaniation they had to work around....namely its cheaper to use someone already on the pay role for a couple of seconds of screen time than hiring a new actor.







Man people just can't let the egg thing go.  Some are just ready to "cancel" Baby Yoda.  I really hate this current climate around art and entertainment.  You can't just not like something....you have to try and wipe it from existence.  There is a conversation there but its topic is Verboten.

Let me just say that while I found the egg thing “disturbing” I never hated it or disliked it so much it changed my view of the show or of the baby character. I agree some of these people are taking it too far and making a huge deal of it.

I love when a show surprises me ... and I love to discover a baby Yoda that is not only a cute thing for merchandising ... And I love that even after being saved by the mother, he still eat an egg. That may be disturbing but it is a very interesting development ...


On the other hand, I have a 4 YO daughter ... good luck to make her listen to you if you ask her to not eat something she wants to eat ....  ;D

Right, people are forgetting he's still a baby with no moral compass.  Mando may be protective but he isn't exactly raising a productive member of society.

That makes even less sense. The Rebel Alliance was small. The New Republic is big. They should have their pick of the litter for new pilots. NTM the number of Imp pilots that jumped ship to be on the new winning side. Strategically speaking, if the New Republic was that stretched for manpower, they would place it where it was needed most, not patrolling the Rim. I would like to think that, yes there are several NR garrisons stationed across the Rim with hundreds of pilots. But they would still be stretched thin due to the size of it.

But seriously, I can't even remember if he even had any lines. How difficult would it have been to grab a random set hand, throw 'em in a flight suit, and tell them to sit down, shut up and look pretty? For me, what now makes even less sense (but it may be due to a lack of military procedural understanding) but if we saw Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum, and Tweedle Dipshell all show up in response the the emergency transponder from the prison ship, wouldn't it make sense to have them fly as a squad? So if Filoni were there, the other two director-pilots should be there as well.

I feel you on that. Something about "It doesn't fill me with warm fuzzies, so it has to labeled 'evil' and must be destroyed"? ::)

I actually like that it is disturbing people. NEWS FLASH: if you don't discipline your children, they will do whatever the hell they want regardless of your "rules" of what is right and wrong. Go figure.

Exactly

Bryce Dallas Howard for this one .... and it is a nice one that makes me impatient for the next one !!!

Will wait for some of you watched it before chatting about it ;)

Now THAT was an episode.   So on to spoilers.....


Even though it wasn't Sherlock level detecting I'm smug about my theory that the Din's  group was a fringe clan being right.

Bo Katan translated amazingly to live action...helps Katee Sackoff voiced her in Clone Wars.

Maybe Baby Yoda's care of the little pollywogs will silence the outraged groups.

Then they just name drop Ahsoka...no coyness, hinting or anything.  Just Boom..."Go see Ahsoka Tano".   Now that raises the questions:  Is Sabine with her?  Did they find Ezra and Thrawn?  Does she have any plans of seeking Luke?

Yess !!!! But she should be 55 or 60 ... maybe Bo Katan is the heiress of Bo Katan ... and she wanted to advenge her mother for the Black Saber ... OR maybe it is just an aging issue #Obi Wan

Interesting it will be to watch how Mando will consider the fact that there are true Mandalorian that have other interpretation of the WAY ...

Depends on how old Bo was during the clone wars.  If she was 20 or so it would match up since Katie Sackoff is 40.

Only 20 Year between TCW and The Mandalorian ?? I though it was 30 ...

So, if you are right, this is not an aging issue ;)

hmm no you are actually right...still easily explainable that she just ages well.

Yep ... i checked and it is 28 years ...

Assuming she was 18 during TCW, she is 46 during The Mandalorian ... So, aging is OK and it is not a daughter :P



By the Way : Very nice episode to me :)

Grr, damn and blast. It will be Monday before I can re-enter this thread.

Damn.... going somewhere with no net or just super busy

As we must work from home now, I take a "break" every Friday between 10H00 and 10h45 CET  ;D

NO! I haven't watched the episode yet, and you know me. I prefer foruming on a desktop.....which I won't have until Monday. Plus y'know....Sith fiancée that will hurt me if I watch without her.

I take it, from minimal reading, that my theory was correct; 3^rd ep of the season get things at 'good'?

The Big Stuff starts happening.  Really not to much to spoil though since somethings were long ago confirmed and others were not confirmed but still known.



I wish I had a job that allowed me to work from home.....not because I'm afraid of The Thing.....but because I dislike leaving my comfortable home to deal with....people.

Ok that was a great episode. Totally geeking out about quite a few things including the Gozanti class ship and getting to see if fly like that.
This episode totally felt like a live action TCW/SWR episode and it was awesome.
And yeah I can’t wait to see the next episode?
So who was that girl spying on Mando early on?
I hope we get to see Sabine Wren as well.

That was Koska Reeves (Sasha Banks), the other female Mando with Bo Katan.  That's how they knew what ship he was on.

Ok I will have to watch again and play closer attention. I was so caught up with seeing Bo Katan an everything else I didn’t put the two together.

100% I hope we do. I have a feeling that Ahsoka will lead to Sabine which will lead the the darksaber and Gideon. I also think Ahsoka and Sabine will team up with Mando and Baby Yoda to find Ezra so Baby Yoda has a teacher. Honestly these are theories, and I think a lot of people think the same thing, but as much as they are theories I also really hope they happen. It's the geek in me who would LOVE to see that. What do y'all think? I loved the end of ep3 though. The first two were really good, but now we are getting into the good stuff.

I read somewhere that the actor for Moff Gideon said that season 2 was just laying the ground work for what’s to come in Season 3 and 4. That’s apparently when we will get the meat of the story and most of the answers to everything.
They are already starting to discuss spin off shows based on characters from this show.

This show is paving the way for the future of Star Wars and tv/movies in general as well with all the new tech and techniques they are creating for the show.

While I wish Didn't have to wait that long  :P , that makes me really excited for what's coming!!!!

Shouldn't be that long of a wait.  Favreau said that they were beginning season 3 in Dec and they have the whole covid situation under control since most of the characters have masks or helmets on.  So I don't foresee having to wait longer than fall/winter of 21

Is anyone else sitting here waiting to see Darth Logos thoughts on this episode?

He’ll get around to it sometime today. Didn’t get to watch it until last night and he is super busy at work

All good, can completely understand about bing busy. I just always look forward to his perspective on the episodes.

Rejoice, my people. I have arrived

That was an episode.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO happy they finally explained that. And better.....IT MADE SENSE. I was actually excited.

:o Right? Even Kath was amazed by how well she transitioned into the real world. I thought they actually did an incredible job with the Bo's crew, especially in how they moved in combat. Just bold as brass-bitch please-I've already won-#$%& you Imperial swine-attitude.

And I want a pair of these blasters.
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Doubtful. I had the thought that lessened my ire at the happenings of the last episode: What was the first thing we saw him eat? A FROG. I'm thinking that he views similar species as food, unless properly parented. Also, calling bull$#!% on the eggs being fertilized, and gestating to tadpoles in less than 24hrs. And then that same tadpole growing legs in another less-than-a-day.

I had a similar thought, but more: will we be seeing Sabine in this series? Just hope they fix her armor.

Actually, if Bo was an idealistic teen during TCW, then she would only be mid-40s, and only a few years older than the actress.

"There are known knowns, and there are known unknowns. But there are also unknown unknowns; things we don't know that we don't know."

I would like that as well, but......I leave all of my best distractions at home, so nothing would ever get done.

For those looking for a familiar name in the credits, you won't find it. She went by her real name: Mercedes Varnado.

I think you're asking too much. By now Luke is already known and has started the New Jedi Order. Doubtful that Ezra would be the teacher for Baby Yoda. Plus, it's incredibly bad writing to need the success of the current show to stand on the....I'll say 'popularity' (since "success" is too strong a word) of another show.

Speaking of, we noticed the gaping butthole of the current story. Last season, Mando was tasked with "reuniting the Child with his kind," which I and many others took to mean the Yoda-species. Now all of a sudden he is trying to return him to the Jedi. The Jedi are not his kind. If they were trying to infer that since he is Force sensitive that the Jedi might be able to find his species so he can properly return him, they did a lousy job of wording it.

Which then leads to the prolapse of said gaping hole: If Mando was rescued by Death Watch DURING the Clone Wars, while his village/city/settlement whatever was under attack by droids, HOW IN THE NAME OF SON'S SHINY BALD HEAD DOES HE NOT KNOW ABOUT THE JEDI? Even Anakin knew about the Jedi.

Won't deny, I'm a bit more excited by this.

This is less reassuring. They haven't really established any characters in this show that would be worthy of a spinoff.

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Other thoughts:

WTF is with the horrible Quarran masks? Why do all of them have their tongues hanging out. Kinda makes it a little hard to speak.

I thought it was awfully contrived that the brother knew a) the his brother had been killed already, b) that a Mandolorian did it, and c) exactly where to find our hero. This was actually my biggest complaint about the episode.

I loved the new vehicle designs. They didn't look like the typical throwback trash, where something that is already well known gets repurposed. The crane walker was perfect in form and function, and looked like it was developed for that specific task. The fishing vessel did the same. No flash, but still looked like it perfectly fit.

I hated wasting a villainous talent like Titus Welliver to being a no-name Imp stooge, but I LOVED how it was done. A SW-era cyanide fake tooth. THAT was awesome.

Why is it that everyone references things from Tatooine as though it were something akin to "Duh! Everyone knows everything about Tatooine. Didn't you watch A New Hope?" This of course being in response to the line about "couldn't hit the side of a bantha."

And then my engineering gripe. There is no way in the Seven Kingdoms that ship have even made it through reentry, let alone survived the stresses of decelerating to land. And apparently cargo nets are the Mon Calamari equivalent of duct tape.

Ask and ye shall receive.

Well since my last post didn't work, lets try again. Logos and I agree on a Mando Episode!
I believe the Quarren have beaks not tongues that stick out (much like squid).
The fertilization and gestation didn't take nearly enough time (at least it seems that way). It couldn't have been more than 6 hours between the time that Frog man and Frog lady met until the time we saw tadpole hatch.
And agreed also on Titus Welliver. Absolutely should've had a bigger role.

I think that was everything, although I believe that Luke has not yet established the new Jedi Order. He would still be out in the galaxy looking for relics at this time (at least according the established canon, though that could be changed if they wanted to).

At this point Luke had not yet begun his academy (in Disney Lore).  At this point Luke pretty much disappeared from public view and went searching for knowledge of the Force.  When Kylo was 10 Leia sent him with Luke and he became his first Padawan.   Shortly after is when Luke began gathering other students and started his Temple....still in secret.  This is why Luke is still considered a "Legend" in TFA.  Mandalorian takes place about 9 ABY...Kylo was born in 5 ABY.  So he's only about 4 years old at this point.



During that whole conversation about reuniting him with his Kind they are speaking of the Jedi.  Remember they don't think in terms of species but tribe.  Jedi are "sorcerers" BY uses Sorcery.... ipso facto...Jedi.  At least in their POV.



Din was rescued in 19 ABY..which was the end of the Clone Wars.  Depending on how far out in the Outer Rim he was its not unreasonable to think he never heard of Jedi.  Even in the old EU many further away from the Core thought the Jedi only myth and story.  It seemed as if Mando's people were simple and may not have delved into what they saw as "myths".    Kind of like the equivalent of a blue collar worker telling his child to stop reading fantasy books and focus on his work.

Thanks you Logos your perspective is always enjoyed. I tend to watch a lot of things at face value so others perspectives sometimes bring different points of view into my focus.

Counter thoughts.

I agree on the reentry bit with the ship. I just think they have put that thing through the ringer and don't wanna completely destroy it. Although having the hero ship being a "hunk of junk" might be a bit cliche at this moment. Personally I enjoyed the reentry bit even if unrealistic. I got a Firefly vibe off of it when he first started to reenter. The part that bugged me was how quickly he came to a hover in the nick of time without having a bunch of crap inside and outside the rip up. Though when the engine blew and the ship fell into the water I quickly forgotten as I was busy laughing.

The walker crane was great. I hope we see some kinda of model kit or lego set for that.

The "you killed my brother" bit is probably my least favorite. It just feels forced and pointless. I also explained it away in my head that the brother was in on the deal the whole time so he knew the Mando was on his boat and when he saw the explosion just kinda rolled with it.

I also agree about the egg hatching thing being so fast. Also why only one hatched? You would think they would have fertalized more then one and they would all be in similar stages of development. Once again a bit that was rushed and really not needed. I just let it go cause I didn't care about the frog family anymore and was more interested in what was about to happen.

This brings me too my biggest issue with the episode. It running time. This one could have really used more screen time, but my understanding is that it was shorter then normal. On top of that they felt the need to have two side stories that were rushed to get to the meat.

I really enjoyed the Titus Welliver character. I was disappointed that he offed himself but I understood the point behind it. I was kinda hoping he would be a "Agent Callus" type character where Moff Gideon is the "Thrawn" of this show. Albeit without the changing of sides. One thing to note about him killing himself. They showed it, up close and in your face. This really shows how this show is targeted at adults and not kids like SWR where actual deaths were off camera. Yet I find it interesting that we are getting way more toys for this show then the cartoon. The dark saber has been around for how many years now and we are just now seeing a toy of it on the shelf?

As far as getting the child to his own kind, I still interpret that to mean that he is looking for his species. Just that finding a Jedi is the next step in his path. Mando is a super focused guy when on a mission. He goes to point before he head to the second one. He is not a fan of distractions or side missions. He concentrated on finding other Mandolrians first as he understood that they would lead him to the Jedi. Now that he has a lead on the Jedi thats his focus. Part of me wonders if we will actually see Ashoka next episode or if he will have another "side track" along the way. Will Ashoka even be able to tell him the species? My guess is no. I think she will be able to tell him about who Yoda was so he can search info about him. She may also help the child "unlock/control" some of the force abilities or at least explain them to the Mando.

Speaking of finding more Mandalorians, Im pretty sure it was a good thing he didn't meet Boba Fett first cause I doubt he would have helped because Im pretty sure he still hates the Jedi for killing his dad.

I thought Mando took place 5 ABY?

EDIT: NVM, it is 5 years after ROTJ. You are correct. Carry on.

Carl Weathers for this one ...

Once again, I will wait for you to watch it before chasing about it ;)

I think I remember that Darth Tepes once said that Ahsoka will be in Ep.05 after analyzing the list of episodes directors .... I think he will be right ;)

Have not watched yet, still six hours away before I get home from work.
However this has been the consensus between some of us at work. One based on the director for episode 5 it makes sense. Second it was always a good bet they werent gonna have her show up after hyping her with a name drop.
I’m also not expecting this episode to be as awesome as the last one. But hoping it still better then episode 2.

This episode is too short considering the story it has to tell .... so there are bad consequences regarding to the coherence of some scenes ...

I’m finding myself feeling that way about quite a few episodes. The short run time is really stating to hurt the story telling. This show is making money all over the place I don’t see what they can’t budget for longer episode length.

While I can agree the shorter run times are disappointing I don't feel they are hurting the story at all, of course IMO. 


When considering they pushed back the majority of the merch to the point it was going on sale when they were finishing up season 2...none of that revenue really was there.  The test will be season 3.


Another good episode...of course I didn't hate Ep 2 like many seem to have.  More Cara Dune is always welcome for many reasons.

The Child is maturing but still rather iffy on the moral areas of life....which I'm sure will come into play somewhere down the line.

WTF is Moff Gideon up to....I have my suspicions of course.

M-Count I am going to assume is Midicholrians...they said because the child was so small it was hard to harvest enough.  Well.....Mando is apparently leading them to someone a bit bigger.

Yesssss

But toooooooo short.

The Ship is fixed too quickly considering what they have discussed ... They approach the imperial base too easily considering the importance of this one ...

I agree that these are minor things ... but it is because the episode is too short ...

Unless specified I always assume there is a time jump.  Like I don't think they went right to the Imperial Base the same day Mando landed it was at least a day or 2 later.

It is not clear ... Baby Yoda has exactly the same pack of cakes (look like macarons by the way ;) ) ...

hmm  good point.  Still Always possible he got more from some kids lunch box

Maybe ...

Well .... good episode but too short  :P

Gah  people need to get off work and watch the episode so we can talk about it.  I just wake up at 4 am and watch it.....

Yes too short.
First off I don’t hate episode two it’s just me least favorite.
I easily able to assume time jumps as happening since you wanna plan things out like invading a base. I did the same for episode two. Though it is harder with the child still having the same cookies.
I saw the whole “I put a tracking device in the ship” thing coming the moment that one character kept looking back at the Mando and child.

So are we not gonna talk about that ending?
Isn’t this the first official screen time for Dark Troopers? How freaking awesome is that. I barely played the games and know what they are. It’s gonna get crazy in here.

I have a jet lag advantage :)

I wake up at 5 am to leave for work at 5:30 everyday anyway...so on Fridays I wake up an hour earlier, fix a big breakfast (today it was Steak, Eggs and seasoned potatoes) and watch the episode. 

I’m usually at work by 3-3:30am and have a hard enough time getting up for that especially since I usually don’t get to bed any earlier the  8pm and that’s if I’m lucky.

Don't worry, I'm sure we'll find something to argue about soon. ;D

Blah blah blah

Perhaps. Considering that Mandalorian was originally a species that inhabited Coruscant (if memory serves) until Humans took it over. Over time, Mandalorian was less about species and more about culture and life style. Maybe I was just really excited to get away from Jedi for a bit, and thought they'd focus on a species that has always had poor representation.

You mean BBY. The story is only at 9 ABY. :P

Maybe, but considering how much older the Armorer is supposed to be than him, she should know far more. Also oddball thought: If he was rescued by Death Watch, how did he end up with the crazies?

THAT! The stress on the frame from the thrusters firing should have ripped the engines off.

Don't tempt me, boy. I have a weakness for walkers.

They looked to be in pretty open water, so I doubt anyone saw the explosion.

Meh. It's pointless family friendly BS.

Define "toys".

Toy light saber, as in plastic, made by Hasbro, sale for $40-$50, can be found in Walmart and Target in the toy aisle.

I thought this was a great episode. I absolutely see some people being outraged by what it apparently is setting up, but to me it literally felt like something the Empire would actually be trying to do in this time. I was happy to see it wasn't 31 minutes, and actually 37, though I'd honestly still prefer full 45 minute episodes, or better yet, 56. Still, it was fun.

Also, whoever mentioned the timeframe thing with the repairs for the Crest, I was thinking the exact same thing. I was literally thinking "how are they going to get out of this, the Crest won't be repaired yet", and then boom, Razor Crest. Still, if that's my only problem with an episode, I'll take it.

Eh... You know me.   More Force less normies is my cup o tea.  I'd love for Mando to be Force Sensitive, obtain the Dark Saber, Rule Mandalore and the next movie series is about Force Using Mando's fighting the One Sith.



Hey, I don't like it either....but just pointing out what to expect if it comes up.

Does it ever really say how much older she is?  She may not be all that older age wise...just been with the tribe longer.  Death Watch are the crazies.



I know it wont satisfy you science types...but the whole reentry scene was a deliberate homage to Apollo 13.  Ron Howard's daughter directing the episode and all.


I mean...it wouldn't be hard to figure out:  "My brother took the mando out to kill him and get his armor.  Hmmm.  I haven't heard from him...maybe something happened.  Come on Boys..lets go stake out the dock to see who comes back.  Welp...I see the Mando alive so that must mean my brother is dead."







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WRONG! Baby Yoda get inducted into the fold, and then HE takes up the Dark Saber and rules Mandalore. He will be MANDALORE THE ADORABLE. :D :D ;D

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<shudders>

Unless....the Children of the Watch were fanatics that broke off from Death Watch. Originally in it with the promise of resurrecting the Way, but realized that Viszla was more interested in re-seating his line on the throne.

I kinda had the same thought.  Death Watch was itself a fringe group...but then had another smaller fringe group break from that.

I don't think the Quarrens were all too concerned about anyone seeing them.  It seemed pretty obvious this port wasn't the safest or well policed.  They took Din and BY out there to have them at a disadvantage IMO.


1.) I was thinking the same thing
2.) Few thoughts.  I'm pretty sure that was the backdoor and they didn't usually go out that way.  They said the Lava Tide would eventually come in so that leads back to this is the back door.  I'll have to go back to look closer.
3.) Eh.....
4.) They Seem to be Dark Troopers is what many are thinking.  Force Sensitive troopers.
5.) I think you answered your own question on that one.  I'm betting he's a Sith Worshiper like Dryden Vos.
6.) Ever since she retired from MMA her weight seems to fluctuate here and there.  Not uncommon in athletes who no longer compete. She'll always be hot though.
7.) Agreed
8.) Had the same thought...
9.) Agreed
10.) I think because it doesn't have a transponder it doesn't technically have an official name.  Razor Crest's don't seem to be common anymore so they just call it by what it is.

My guess as far as the name for Razor Crest is that it doesn’t have a name so they just call it by it’s ship designation. Plus it’s a rare ship at this point. Possibly the only one still flying. So people that know the Mando or the type of ship just call it that. It’s also obvious not every one knows the exact designation of the ship or the NR x-wings wouldn’t have needed verification of his ships identity.

Real world exploration it’s easier to say razor crest and have viewers know what they are talking about.
I did notice though that Wookiepedia calls it “the Razor Crest” and not “a Razor Crest”. I find the naming style of the ship odd for normal nailing conventions in Starwars were most ships have a official ship designation and a ship name.

One note of interest. Ships manufactured by Mandalorians have names and not designations like the Star Viper and Kom’rk.
The Slave-1 being the exception and being a named version of a Firesparay-31

Ok, then why do we call it the Millennium Falcon instead the YT-1300? Or why isn't it Firespray 31 instead of Slave I? These are literally the ONLY ones we ever see on screen. Why does it have a name? Because it is loved. Mando loves that ship. It's probably the biggest reason he keeps fixing it instead of them using it as an excuse to merch a new ship every few episodes.

Now in passing conversation, I can understand someone arbitrarily calling it what it is simply because they aren't familiar with the name. So the X-Wing pilots get a pass. But Mando wouldn't call it Razor Crest in such a fashion. He'd simply call it "the ship". Much like we say "I'm going to the car" or "I left it at the house". It's the only one he owns, so it's the only one he'd have access to, despite being one of many that fall under the same designation.

EDIT: HA!

More point of interest: Slave I is not Mandalorian. It was manufactured by Kuat Systems Engineering. They initially produced 6 prototypes that were deployed on Oovo IV. Jango destroyed 5/6 during a prison break, and we all know what happened to #6. Due to the financial loss of the protos, KSE scrapped the project. This is why we only EVER see one. I'm tickled pink that this info holds in both canons. ;D ;D ;D

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Firespray-31-class_patrol_and_attack_craft

Like I said above the Fire Spray-31 is the only Mandalorian ship I am aware of that has a named version. All the other ones have straight up class names with out any numbers or a “name” though I no longer own my X-Wing Miniature cards to double check with them since they are technically cannon I think.

But he’s they Mando himself calling the Razor Crest implies that it’s the name of the ship where anyone else calling it the Razor Crest it just using its ship type to talk about it. I’ve gotten so used to it being called that at this point that I really didn’t give it much thought how it’s being referenced.

Back to the “Back door” idea. I can totally buy that as this is not the first base we have seen built into a cliff and it almost looked like Cara was gonna drive back into the base to look for another way out.
However when they first open the hanger door you see the speeders parked facing out the door like that was their preferred method of travel direction.

Ugh timing issues of typing and other posting haha.

Yeah I was kinda aware that the ship wasn’t Mandalorian manufacture. I actually didn’t think any ships were but when I did a search on the Star Viper, the only ship I remembered having a name and not designation it came up as a ship made by MandoMotors. Then when I did a quick “Mandalorian ship” search the Slave-I as on the list.
But yeah if they didn’t make then the naming conventions still hold up

As I just said, Slave I is NOT Mandalorian.

That's like naming your son 'boy'.

Halls seemed awfully narrow to get that transport through. However, you did spark a thought: perhaps when the base was installed, there used to be more canyon wall that allowed such vehicles to safely access both the cliff surface as well as the canyon floor. They did mention a lava tide, which makes me think that over the years the rock was stripped away.

Yeah the whole Slave-1 thing was a timing issue with me trying to respond while you were I’m on the same page with you now on that one. Honestly I’m curious of the current status of that ship. Maybe it will be covered in this show
Yeah that part about the Razor Crest thing had a bunch of spelling errors and I’m not even sure what my point was anymore with that comment.
It is quite possible that part of the canyon was changed by lava but the elevator door at the base of the canyon suggests otherwise. But still plausible.
Also possible that the hallway behind the hangar door was a straight shot with a ramp or elevator heading up. No way to know as anything we come up with is speculative at this point and really doesn’t matter since the base went kaboom.
I’m curious why the empire likes to build into cliff sides.

Won't deny it, I won't be upset if Mando ends up inheriting Slave I. I friggin' love that ship.

Meh. MOAR KOFFY!

That's easy: 83% of the base if protected by rock. Plus it's not easily seen from every angle.

On the issue of why the ship is called the Razor Crest as well as being a Razor Crest, honestly, Mando seems to me to be the type of person who doesn't name stuff. He hasn't even given The Child a name yet. He often calls it "the Crest", so maybe his name for it is Razor Crest. My family has a Honda Pilot that they didn't give a name to, they just call it "the Pilot". That seems to me to be exactly what Din has done here.

That seems logical enough to me. Plenty of people shorten the names of their cars when referring to them without giving them actual names (like Crown Vic for Crown Victoria, or Z for 350Z, etc). I've even known people to do this with their boats that did have actual names. I can totally see this being something Din has done. It also makes sense for other people to refer to it by the make/model if they don't know the actual name for it, just like someone, be it an officer or a friend, would say "that's a nice Mustang," or even with a boat, "that's a nice Hatteras" if they didn't know the name of the boat.

Wishful thinking:

End of Season 2, Moff Gideon is thwarted in his plans but gets away from our heroes and returns to his ship.  Upon entering his aide tries to speak to him with urgency but he blows her off and enters his office.  In the darkness you can make out the shape of someone sitting in his chair.

Moff:  "Whoever you are I would advise removing yourself from my chair."

Figure: *Cool even voice slightly accented * " No Officer Gideon, I believe this is exactly where I belong."

In the darkness two glowing red eyes slowly appear.  *Cue Thrawn Theme*  *Cut to black*

This is the way. I really like this idea.

I assume this is because your family owns more than one car, so specifying which car is important. But if you only had one, you would simply refer to it as just "the car." In a similar fashion, the whole of the earth refers to the moon, the sun, and the solar system. This is because OUR planet has only 1 moon, and OUR solar system has only 1 sun. They don't require naming since nobody we're going to talk to...in any language...is going to be confused by those designations.

Now on the flip side of this, Arthur Conan Doyle had Sherlock refer to Irene Adler as "the woman." This is significant however as she is the only woman that he ever referred to in this manner. Kind of a she-who-must-not-be-named vibe.

Anyway, on my usual list of complaints, this ranks exceptionally low. I'd just like to have it be either a designation or a name, not both.

I love you. I could totally get behind Thrawn being reseated in his proper place in the timeline. Although I don't think Chiss eyes glow, they're just red. Also, I believe that a Moff outranks a Grand Admiral. :-\

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How tf did I miss this?

Would like a more official explanation though.

Plus, it's not well elaborated upon, but I don't think they actually ever left that port. The need for travel was just a ruse to get Mando out to sea.

Good I'm not the only one getting peeved by the lack of naming convention.

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Not "eh". It shows blatant disregard for physical space. Hell, even Bay's team took physical space into consideration when designing the robots for the first Transformers movie.

Lemme guess: something from Fallen Order? Force sensitive troops is unlikely. Plus, after looking at this and other images of "Dark Troopers", these look purely machine, which is what the Purge Troopers were; highly sophisticated battle droids.

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UGH! I hate the idea of civilized beings being cultists.

No arguments, just wondering if anyone else noticed.

Uh......duh. I prefer my women with curves. ;D

;D

WOW! Look at us all agreeing. :P

I think it said more than a few times Thrawn's Eyes would glow especially in low light.  Now I don't think it's supposed to be a bright glow but still noticeable.  As for rank....basically it comes down to location.  Moff is a political title so while on a planet ruled by said Moff or during a political mission...he's in charge.  Grand Admiral is of course a Military title.  So on a Military Ship or during a Military Operation the Grand Admiral has control.  In this case Moff Gideon is acting in a Militaristic manner so by definition he's on a warship.  The moment Grand Admiral Thrawn steps foot on that ship it belongs to him.  Now of course Gideon could freely go against Thrawn since there is no Emperor to complain to. 




Dark Troopers first appeared in the 1995 game Dark Forces.  But I will agree they also are similar to Purge troopers.  I'm betting its going to be a mix of things.


I wouldn't call them cultists.  I didn't mean worshiper literally.  Moff Gideon may have seen Vader's power and wished it for himself.  So he decided to adopt some of Vader's image.  He even kills his men who piss him off like Vader.

I looked it up. A Moff has complete control of a sector, both politically and militarily, as far as operations in that sector are concerned. But as far as galaxy wide naval operations go, Thrawn would have the superior rank since his authority within the Imperial navy extends beyond the sector.

Meh. I interpret identifying oneself through the following of another to be weakness of character. It would completely undermine the authority and confidence that Gideon needs to maintain control. <gags> I can't believe I'm referencing TFA, but it's like what Rey told Kyle: "You're afraid you'll never be as strong as Darth Vader." I actually thought that was an astute observation. By trying to measure up to someone else, he limited his own growth and ability.

I disagree.  Every Great man emulated a greater man at one point.  I see nothing wrong with seeing someone who is obviously better than you in some way and adopting or emulating aspects to enhance yourself.  The problem is modern thinking too often emphasizes "looking inward"  which is useful but it limits you just as much as completely copying someone else.  In the case of Gideon, if my theory holds, I did not mean he just copies Vader...but aspects of Vader he found useful.  The armor and cape are for intimidation of course.   

I can see that. If his current crop of underlings are actually from the Empire and not just fresh recruits, then there's good likelihood that the black cape and armor will be reminiscent of Vader, and, on a subconscious level, demand the same level of fear and authority. I don't mind taking inspiration from someone, especially someone you acquiesce to as superior. But the term 'worship' is a bit strong.

For those of you who don't mind potential leaks and spoilers, watch these videos (I haven't watched them both, so I don't know for sure what is in the second one, but I've watched the first, and ooooh boy!) This is stuff for after Ep. 5 that was leaked to this guy. So again,

*SPOILERS*

https://youtu.be/NuSz-4nY0fw
https://youtu.be/SC5cwZJhAlM

Links only included incase people think the thumbnails contain spoilers.

IF these turn out to be true it will both excite me and make me sad...much like the Mando has done already.   Because this epic show leads into a crap future.

Agreed. This guy seems like he has some pretty credible sources, but I am pretty much treating every single "leak" as false until it is confirmed. We will know more tonight.

Same.  I like the fact we have now seen all the footage from the trailers in the first 4 episodes...so now were all going in blind

1 hour and counting

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I'm pretty sure I will be the only person holding this opinion, but meh.

.......Really?   Ok.  You're gonna have to explain that one.  

Oh boy, lots to unpack. I loved the storyline of the episode and all that was revealed (TYTHON!!!!), literally my only issue was Rosario's performance. And not that it was a bad performance, just that it didn't quite feel like Ahsoka. The dialogue was that of Ahsoka, but the movements, the speed, the facial expressions in battle, the fighting style, the fact that she had a hard time against The Magistrate, it just didn't work for me. She wasn't nearly as light on her feet as Ahsoka (which I understand, real world and animation can't always match), etc. It was literally just a ton of little things that make Ahsoka Ahoska that weren't quite right. Anytime we saw her from the back, it was perfect, just nothing else was quite right. Also her Montrals were too short. She also snapped at the child.

Of course this is all my opinion, and I'm stoked that everyone else seems to love it, but it just didn't work for me.

Also, did Ahsoka not know Yaddle? She was literally on the Jedi Council. Ahsoka would have at least know about her.

Ep 5 .... done

Interesting .... and, a little disappointing (but it is just a personal point fo view about montrals and lekkus  ;D )

I watched it in the French version ... so the same French actress made the voice for Ahsoka in TCW, Rebels and The Mandalorian .... but I understand it should be strange for you guys who watched the episode in the original version ...

But I will wait for you to watch it for discussing ;)

 Like you said...she is not going to move like ahsoka did in the animated series...of course they could have spent more money on a stunt woman but like I pointed out before...season 2 was done before any of that merch revenue was seen.  Also..she is much older here and could be slowing down a bit..but I digress.  As for the magistrate...we don't know what training shes had.  The point was that she could hold her own against a Jedi to make you wonder more about her.  Yaddle had stepped down from the council and all but retired from Jedi affairs by the time Ahsoka came in.

Onto my personal highs:

AHSOKA!!

THRAWN MENTIONED

GROGU

TYTHON BROUGHT INTO CANON

LIGHTSABER AGAINST BESKAR SPEAR

EXPLINATION OF HIS STUNTED GROWTH



At this point Star Wars has been such a heartbreaking disappointment for me for almost 5 years now...any good content is welcome and celebrated.

I see and understand all this, it just didn't work for me. But I agree with all your personal highs. Even though I didn't care for Ahoska here, I still love that she was in it.

Technically, Ahsoka joined the order before Anakin did, and we see that Yaddle is still on the council in TPM. So I'd think she would still at least be known to Ahsoka.

As I said before, this episode was interesting ..... AND I LOVED IT !!!

Mainly, I loved it for the same reasons DT seems to love it ;)


I was just disappointed by the look of Ahsoka's montrals and lekkus ... I though that they are too small ... almost the same size when Ahsoka was a child. There is something strange to me on this point. For an adult Togruta, they should have been more long and thin .. like those they made for Orli Shoshan as Shaak Ti in Ep II.

 

If im mathing right, yes Ahsoka was accepted into the order 1 year before Anakin...BUT she was only 3 years old while Anakin was 9.  A 3 year old and a 9 year old, of course, have different capabilities of retaining memories to adulthood.  As well Padawans rarely saw all the members of the council other than Yoda who took more of a hands on interest than the others.  Anakin being tested by the whole council was not a normal thing.  Usually a Padawan wouldn't see the whole council until the day they were to be chosen as a padawan.  So..since Anakin was such a special case he was privy to a lot the other Padawans were not.  Since Yaddle pretty much stepped down right after TPM she was long gone by the time Ahsoka was ready to become a padawan.




I can agree they seemed short for her age...BUT as usual in Star Wars where there is not an in-universe explanation..there is a real world one.  Probably some limitation with the prosthetics.

Maybe ... but I think that it can also be a choice considering what they did in Ep II ...

Well .... maybe it is because I am a big fan of Shaak Ti (The greatest Jedi ever) and I felt in love with Orli Shoshan ;D

After watching it for a 2nd time, it is less strange ...


And sorry for double-posting ;)

Come on guys have a little respect for those of us that have to get home after work to watch.
Usually Master Seblaise posts that he saw the episode and will wait to discuss when everyone else has had a chance to watch. That it my warning that going ant farther forward into the thread is a spoiler until after I watch the newest episode. Instead today scroll right into a photo spoiler with no warning what so ever. Not cool. Especially since that image was a moment I have been anticipating and waiting to see for the first time in the show and not online.
Yes I know this is a spoiler thread but up till now there have been heads up warning for each new episode and no one has posted photo spoilers at least not for the very first post about a new episode.

Since I was the one that posted the photo allow me to retort.

I would never spoil something for someone intentionally and I am sorry it was spoiled for you.  But I won't apologize for posting the picture.   Yes Master Seblaise awaits everyone watching the new episode ...but its not necessary.  Since as you pointed out this IS a Spoiler discussion and coming here after the episode is released is guaranteed to see spoilers. 

True, but Ahsoka did manage to hold her own against Maul and Vader, which should be, in my opinion, some pretty top-tier feats. Did she regress a bit in mobility and agility? Perhaps, but I've seen people estimate she's in her mid-40s now, which is far from old given many skilled Jedi/Sith we've seen older than that. No idea about how much actual true combat experience against worthy opponents she's got recently though, so maybe there's a little rust to shake off as well? Sure, we don't know about the Magistrate's training, but I'd imagine there should be a MASSIVE power gap between her and Maul or Vader, so you'd think not being destroyed by the latter would mean the former would be really no challenge. Although a stomp of the Magistrate wouldn't have been quite as entertaining or cinematic, I think it they didn't want to low-ball Ahsoka, or really high-ball the Magistrate, maybe having there be a few guards shooting at her, or a few soldiers/guards joining in the fight to force Ahsoka to split her focus and attention to multiple targets and have to defend multiple opponents, drawing out the fight without making it seems like she was relatively even with one opponent, would have perhaps served the same purpose.

But still, I am very pleased with the episode. TONS of big things revealed, and the universe is expanding in future possibilities. I am happy with this episode. Very happy.

I'm sorry that this was spoiled for you, as it certainly wasn't any of our intentions to do so, but I'm with Tepes on this one. As soon as the episode drops, this thread should be considered unsafe for those who do not want spoilers. This was a massively important Episode, so it is hard to believe that people wouldn't want to immediately discuss. Again, I'm sorry it was spoiled for you.

So the actress who plays the Magistrate is Diana Lee Inosanto, daughter of martial artist Dan Inosanto, who was Bruce Lee’s training parter. And she’s also Bruce Lee’s goddaughter, so I’m just making it my personal head-canon that she’s an incredible martial artist, even if they don’t explain it further.

I didn't even look at the credits...didn't know Dan had a daughter.

You could tell she knew what she was doing with that spear.  Even Ahsoka's stance was based on Musashi's two sword style.


But lets not forget   Michael Biehn as the Gunslinger.

Loved that last episode! Ashoka translated well into live action. The sabers looked great.

Really hyped to see how they handle both Thrawn and Tython

The fight between the Magistrate and Ashoka was entertaining, but I’ll echo some other people here and say I expected the fight to be over *much* quicker.

My only complain would probably be Grogu. I just don’t think they should’ve namedropped the child at all. Makes me think of yo-ho Pirates. What with Grog being 80% of the name and all

I'm thinking that Thrawn will be addressed in an Ahsoka spinoff and not here in Mando-land. I would think Ahsoka is really looking for Ezra Bridger.

Side note: Where is Sabine?

I hope they handle it in Mando. As for Sabine I would assume she’s ruling whatever remains of Mandalore

Edit: side though. OR Sabine may have been killed by Gideon, since he did lead the siege of Mandalore iirc

We already have seen non force users who are well trained being able to hold their own against Force Users.  We don't know who or what trained the Magistrate.  Ahsoka won that's all that matters.  Sabine I'm pretty sure is doing the same as Ahsoka just on different fronts.   I'm fine with his name...sounds like a Star Wars name.  I think people just build stuff up in their mind and nothing will compare.

I guess that’s kinda my point. They shouldn’t have made his name such a mystery if they were just gonna go “oh it’s this” halfway into season 2

I read somewhere, before season 1 was finished airing, that they had already decided on the name for the child they were just waiting for the time to reveal it. I kinda get the reason behind the idea of doing it this way, I just don’t think they anticipated how the fan base would run away with the “baby Yoda”  nickname.

Yeah I don’t think Sabine is ruling any part of Mandalorian. She handed over the dark saber to Bo Katan because she didn’t want to rule. I wouldn’t be surprised if they saved her for a later season. They are already dropping a ton of characters on us this season as it is.

I’m hoping we get Ezra Bridger as the Jedi that chooses to train Grogu. Especially if it leads up a rematch with Thrawn.

I agree that some of the actions moments with Ashoka didn’t match up to the cartoon but I kinda expected that when you translate from cartoon to live action. I think her look is good, but it’s gonna take some getting used of the voice.
The scene in the forest/mist at the start was just badass in my opinion. She went full on ninja.

Also the whole “mind” conversation with with Ashoka kinda makes sense. They are a strong with the force race and even Yoda at 900 years old wasn’t a grand speaker. He kept it short and simple most times.

I have a dream that the Jedi could be Luke searching for new apprentices to create a new Jedi Order .... Could be great to have Mark Hamill in the show ...

There ya go.....real world reasons


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I will watch again carefully AotC ... but I am pretty sure that we see Shaak Ti fighting a little (and I think it was the main reason they casted Orli for the role) ...

But I understand the real world reasons you told about ;)

And after watching the episode for the 3rd time, it becomes less and less a problem ;)

You only see her ignite her saber next to bariss (bi#@h) and again in the circle of survivors and lastly boarding a transport.  No fighting scenes.

I believe you ;)

I have to admit that Ep II is not my favorite one ... I have not watched it a lot ...

I agree but no mark hamill. Luke would need to be younger. Sebastian Stan (begin controversy)

If they bring Luke in his face will either not be shown, shown on shadow or if they can spend the dough a deepfake

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Is it too much wishful thinking to hope Mace Windu is alive and will make an appearance? How old was he in RoTS? 40-50? Does the Mandalorian take place ~25 years after RoTs? And Jackson is 71, so that should work well. Please correct me if my dates are that far off.

Mando takes place around 28 years after ROTS.  I hope they don't have mace alive...leave that bastard dead.

Just saying, Samuel L. Jackson is the right age to play Windu again at this point. Maul survived much worse, no? But I could see how bringing him back, after bringing Maul back, and Sidious back, could really cheapen the concept of death and the impact "deaths" of characters have when they happen if they seem so impermanent or temporary. So maybe that's not the best idea.

It is less of a question of if they could, and more of if they should. What Tepes is getting at is that Mace is not the great person everyone makes him out to be. He is extremely selfish and rude, and his decisions are controversial at best with the fanbase.

Oh, undoubtedly he's a flawed character who has made a lot of bad decisions in the past. Perhaps a redemption arc could be in order for him? I totally understand wanting to not bring him back though. Is the general consensus that he was a good person? It was always my understanding that his harsh treatment towards Anakin was part of what pushed him further to Palpatine and the dark side, and that he was a pretty arrogant person in general, but a highly skilled Jedi in terms of combat abilities.

Some people revere Windu because he was played by SLJ discounting his characters actions.  Those who have watched the clone wars have a better understanding of it but its even in the film.  His "Go to your room till I see if your not lying" spiel when Anakin betrayed his friendship to inform the Council of Palpatine's identity.  Then his treatment of Ahsoka...that is unforgivable.  Throwing her to the wolves and then having the audacity to claim it as the will of the Force.  Yes the whole Council is complicit but They tended to follow mace's guidance when Yoda was at a loss.  SLJ will always be the BMF  but I hope Mace Windu hit every speeder  on the way down.

That is all true and very fair. I wonder if Mace is beyond redemption, if it would be totally out-of-character for him to realize that he was too arrogant, and that paired with his repeated harsh and unfair treatment of others lead to two great Jedi leaving the order, and one of them becoming a Sith Lord who killed many, many Jedi. Would he be able to, over many years potentially in hiding, realize just how wrong he was, and how direct of a role in the failings of the Jedi Order he played? But I don't think he's the most likely Jedi to be the one to answer Grogu's call, assuming that a Jedi indeed does.

True.  There are actually a great many Jedi Knights and former padawans still out there according to Disney and Lucas himself.  The Majority of them (again according to Lucas) completely gave up the Jedi way.

Time for the Logos Post-Weekend Catch-up Post.

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Agreed. I love it when I'm right. Rosario Dawson had the absolute perfect face for this character at this age. But..................#$%&-up Filoni does it again. I'm beginning to think he has a fetish for early teen Togruta.

Ahsoka circa early TCW
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And Ahsoka circa SWR
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Anybody noticing a pattern in her growth? As she ages, her horns are longer and more pronounced, and her lekku are significantly longer. WTF, did she get a cut?

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At this stage of her life, she should look more like Shaak Ti, not 'Little Soka'.

Yay Tython, boo stupid Jedi voodoo Force crap. NTM, how the hell does she even know of such things?

I both agree and disagree with some of this. A good actor/actress cannot trump bad direction and writing. Dawson doesn't have the background on the character unless she's secretly an uber-fan. Eckstien, however, I would have trusted to have that intimacy, and been able to feel out the quirks in the writing.

As far as speed and lightness of foot, let's see how middle-aged you stacks up against teenage you. But I agree, beskar pike or not, she should have taken the magistrate apart without effort. I get real tired of "normals" being a match for trained Force wielders, simply because they have a special weapon. I felt the same when Pre Viszla fought Obi Wan, and again Maul. Just because he is a skilled combatant with a lightsaber does NOT equate to being equal with a Jedi/Sith. Trained Force wielders have the advantage of being able to sense their environment as well as what is about to happen. A normal doesn't. They might be able to predict strategy, or even throw a trick or two, but ultimately they will lose in little time.

What bugged the crap out of me was how unmoving she was toward adhering to the Jedi way of "he's too old" or too attached. It's like "OMG! He has feelings and emotions and junk, and I just can't even." Her intuition should have been "I need to teach him before he breaks bad." I'm beyond sickened that NO ONE has addressed the elephant in the temple: the Jedi are responsible for 90% of the Sith/Dark Jedi we hear/read about. Instead of teaching how to deal with your emotions like a rational adult, they teach disregard and ignoration of emotion, like it is a symptom of a disease rather than a NATURAL part of living beings. Had the Jedi accepted emotion and attachment aren't sins, then Anakin would have never even considered Sidious' offer. He would've whoop an old man's ass right on the spot.

What bothered me even more about this adherence is that she was betrayed by the Jedi, and renounced them. It is even canon from SWR: "I am no Jedi." Plus all of what we dealt with in SWR. Ezra was too old, ntm way too angry with the Empire to taught, according to Jedi standards. And Kanan had a frikkin kid with the woman he LOVES, plus was very attached to his crew.

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Also, did Ahsoka not know Yaddle? She was literally on the Jedi Council. Ahsoka would have at least know about her.
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Considering that she is not seen after TPM, it is quite possible that she passed offscreen, before the Clone Wars began. In which case Ahsoka, being a mere initiate, would probably not have had any dealings with her or in her areas of operation within the temple.

When the hell did THIS happen? I was happy to finally get his name, but that was about the only thing that made sense about his back story. I won't deny that I probably need a reviewing. Then comes infinitely MORE questions. Mainly, if he was at the temple during the rise of the Empire, how did he survive Order 66?

HA! If she had maintained short lekku and...."montrals" over her cartoon career, it would have been an easy explanation. Like some human females that remain......"petite" even into adulthood, or even motherhood for that matter, Togruta may "fill out" differently rom one another. I would have loved for this to be the explanation; add a little complexity to their particular xenobiology. But alas, it is another installment of IDIOTS ON PARADE.

I'm calling bullshell. How would Anakin have been qualified to teach when he is only 6 years older and -1 of seniority in the order? That's just stupid.

What happened in Ep2?

Hate to be the one to point this out, but no says you have to read this thread on Fridays. Do what I do and just avoid this thread until you've seen the episode. Sure, playing catch-up is bitch, but it's worth it.

I might point out that the only reason she survived her encounter with Vader was due to Ezra tampering with time; she was pulled into the future. (Which still never explains how Vader escaped the Sith temple on Malacor V.) And for the most part, Maul ran in lieu of victory to avoid Sidious' forces and any chance of showing up on his old master's radar. Which then raises more questions about what was done in the final episodes of TCW?

As far as the magistrate fight, that is something that has disappointed me for years about the non-book SW for years: too much emphasis on action, even when it makes no sense. But I've already explained my views on this fight.

She actually has more credits as a stunt woman.

He looks pretty good considering how long it's been since I've seen him. Had to IMDB this ep. because I KNEW I knew his voice. Drives me nuts. And I wouldn't necessarily call him a "gunslinger". Captain maybe, but didn't really come across as much of a gunslinger.

I thought the sabers looked far too long, especially for Jar'kai.

Personally I'm scared.

I was actually happy to finally get it. Also, don't look at spelling, listen to pronunciation.

Now that I think about it, I'm not a fan of how they achieved this end of finally naming him. It made it seem like Jedi are all telepaths, which is false. Empaths maybe, but that is an entirely different skill set, as Mantis explained. Unless the kid is so desperate to communicate that he is broadcasting his feelings for anything to pick up.  I do remember instances when individuals were pretty much open books to the Jedi, like young Anakin.

Nah. He'll be along. I sense a power struggle between him and Gideon.

She'll be along. You know she has to considering she's Mando. But who do we want to play her?

I thought the Siege of Mandalore referred exclusively to the fight at the end of TCW. Or are you trying to refer to the "Great Purge"?

Really doesn't make a difference, he'll always be "Baby Yoda". Personally I would have preferred his name to have remained a mystery a little longer, at least until we were much closer to uncovering the whole mystery surrounding him.

I hope not. We already have enough SWR reappearances. And I already gave my opinion on one show pulling its success from another's. That's why the ST failed so completely.

Screw that. I like Rosario's voice so much more. But I'm biased to like altos far more than sopranos.

WHATEVER! Just CGI them for the action sequences. They have no qualms about using CG when Baby Yoda's movements exceed the limits of the puppet. In this way they can animate them around the movements of the actress. But this is just a cop out of a lazy production.

I would hope that Luke would only be a final season thing.

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No. He's dead.

29 years, but who's counting? And agreed.

Also agreed. One could easily argue that he is the one responsible for pushing Anakin into the clutches of Palpatine.

I'm all for second chances, but people just need to accept that that there are assholes in the universe that don't get redemption. Like Jar Jar. Had he just been "Jedi and killer robots? #$%& that, I'm out." Then the whole tragedy of Anakin Skywalker plays out very differently if at all.

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Further thoughts:

Am I the only that feels that Grogu's blood is needed less the Clone of Palpatine, and more for Snoke? And honestly, I wouldn't be upset if they used Mando as a platform to better flesh out this villain that came and went before we knew anything about him. I mean beyond the new and abysmal standard of "he's a big mean bad guy, and he does means things." Get's really old, really fast.

I'm also getting tired of the cliché of all the faceless goons. Why can't Lucasfilm ever just grow some balls and have their heroes actually hurt real (albeit bad) people? The OT had troopers of various types. The PT had soulless battle droids. And the ST had more troopers. But they were all faceless goons. Face conveys identity. If they all have the same expressionless manufactured visage, it is easier for the audience to disregard them as living beings with feelings and personal motives. It's why they made it such a huge point to show Mando's face before the end of S1. It cemented that he does in fact have a face, and identity, and finally allowed the audience to sympathize, because he's like them. I'm not saying they never kill the unmasked, but if you notice, it's usually always happening to non-human characters, where the actors/extras are wearing masks/prosthetics to make them look non-human.

I think that's it....for now.

I'm not gonna quote everything just respond to a few of Logos nitpicks :P

I did mention this before...Ahsoka was 4 when Yaddle stepped down from the council and pretty much retired from the Jedi...so even if she heard of her she wouldn't have met her.


Filoni envisioned her having the same look as Rebels but it was the production and stunt department that pretty much told him "nah" (Seriously...your are hating on the guy that is one half of the only team worried about bringing us good content....he has personally gone against Disney canon multiply time's already). As for using CG for the montral and Lekku....... a tv show is a different beast when it comes to using cg.  If these were a film with a films budget and time they could have.  But "tv" shows are on a much tighter constraint as well (and I pointed this out before as well) The Merch of Mando was just getting started when they finished season 2. Their budget will 100% be higher for season 3.  Contrary to thought they dont just throw money at projects.

How Grogu survived?  Someone got him out.  Simple.  I'm also thinking because of his ageing he was not put with the other younglings.  Now either his stunted mental development was done to him or self imposed.


Many felt Anakin WASN'T ready.  Remember, they thought Ahsoka was coming to be Obi-Wan's new Padawan.  It was Yoda's plan that no one really agreed with.

I never said I preferred the cartoons Ashokas voice over live action. It’s just an adjustment when you have gotten so used to a voice from hearing it so much.

I kinda go let that felling too of “wait I thought she denounced the Jedi” to know she is following their rules. She could have easily just said she won’t teach hi because she isn’t a true Jedi. My guess is they want people to “think” that Grogu has a possibility of going dark.
So at this point I see it this way. She isn’t refusing to train him cause Jedi rules say he is too full of fear and rage. She is refusing because she has first hand experience losing her master to the dark side because he was full of fear and rage.
But that just me making a justification for my on personal self.

No that is pretty much it. 

I responded before reading your explanation. Either way, she was not involved in Ahsoka's time at the temple.

Please cite these instances, I'd love to stop hating his work. My beef is HE'S THE DIRECTOR. HE is ultimately responsible for EVERYTHING that ends up in the final result. Besides, they wouldn't have to be great CGI if you reserved them for just the action scenes. They would be in motion, so obscurity and lack of focus would already be accounted for. I think it was a bad decision. You have no idea how many times I screamed "THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS" watching TCW and SWR. And I do mean screamed.

Perhaps. She did say he hid his powers in order to survive. As far as his stunted development, I'm beginning to think it's going to play out as another oddity in the Force. As long as it gets well explained I think I'll be able to swallow it.

I can attest from first-hand experience, nothing drives lessons home better than teaching them. With a fresher head, I can get behind Yoda's decision to give her to Anakin. Especially with how headstrong they both are, they were perfect for each other. There were lessons for them both to learn. More so in the sense of Anakin's unorthodox circumstances required unorthodox training methods.

Everyone has potential to go dark. That is precisely why you teach them. Otherwise they aren't necessarily "dark" just feral. As we've already seen, Grogu has shown compassion and rage. He is balanced. What he really needs is someone to teach him the moral implications of using his powers. Her non-adherence to strict Jedi policies would have aided in her teaching, similar to how her master didn't always follow the rules.

oookay but has anyone seen the new episode of the madalorian yet because ASHOKA TANO IS SO COOL!! I was so excited to see a live action version of her and they did amazing everything from her sabers to the fights were just ✨IMMACULATE✨😍😍😍😍


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The two that majorly come to mind is when asked about Ahsoka's death (since she was heard speaking to Rey in TROS) He hinted at her not being dead.  When asked about Ahsoka's sabers being blue in the Clone Wars (many were asking did Anakin go get two more crystals) he said Anakin knew how to tweak the crystals to change color...which lines up more with EU lore than Disney.

He's the director, yes, but he still has bosses and has to make sure he doesn't go over budget.  In situations like this Directors are not the final boss as they are on other projects.  Mandalorian uses a lot of CG for the environments (digital sets) as well I'm sure the blew a good bit of their budget on the krayt.  Honestly it is just such a non issue for me I am baffled at everyone's focus on it.  

Ok folks...take a breath...let's all just stop the nitpicking and bask in the joy that is GOOD Star Wars storytelling and not the schlock of the sequel trilogy!

 ;D

I agree why can’t we just enjoy some Star Wars rather than compulsively picking at what’s “not right” this year has been difficult for everyone and there’s too much hate..


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That's 25yrs from the present story. She very well could be dead by the time ROS takes place.

I have to admit, that explanation is even weaker than current crystal canon. It makes it sound like blade color is a result of an improperly constructed saber. So....what? Does this now mean that the higher up the frequency spectrum your blade is, the better it was constructed? Which would mean that that Windu had the best saber that we know of, since purple is the last color before UV.

I don't know how to draw a parallel that you would understand why this is an issue.

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Back to S2E4. Can someone please tell me what Officer Douchebag was talking about "serving at Alderaan", and why he just happened to be carrying a metal?

This is the WAY. Deal with it. :P

Also, that isn't the way to list your collection in a signature.

Lol your a goof! Also how do I display my collection wasn’t sure so I went with what I thought was right :)


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DUH!

Copy the text, then go to your profile page. Go to FORUM PROFILE INFORMATION. There is a section called SIGNATURE. Paste it there. Then hit "CHANGE PROFILE" and the change will be made permanent. It will show every time you post (like mine) only in smaller text, but it won't actually be a quotable part of your posts.

I couldn’t seem to find the section you are talking about, could you give me a little more instruction please I wanna make sure I do this right.


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So here's the thing. While this is usually true, unfortunately often times the studios come between an artist and his/her vision. Probably the biggest example to this would be the Snyder Cut. I doesn't matter what your opinion on those movies are, the fact is that Justice League was significantly changed (partly due to Zach having to step away, mostly due to WB wanting something different). The same goes for Suicide Squad, only this time it was all WB. Of course both of those examples happen to be from WB and not Disney, but the concept is the same. Disney could have stepped in and told Filoni what to do. I find that unlikely, and I'm definitely not saying that that is what happened, but it is a possibility.

Alright, back to your arguing.

Everyone assumed so and it seemed as if Disney/JJ wanted it to seem that way.  Dave disagreed.


Has nothing to do with better or worse construction.  Just color.  However in the old canon Mace Windu's saber Was actually more "powerful" as he used Electrum instead of a crystal.


Perhaps it would help to know why I don't see it as an issue.  I think I've spoken before about my desire in my "youth" to enter the entertainment industry.  During this time I , through the magic of the internet, was able to speak to people within it.  Not big name people but stunt men, production assistants and CGI artists.  I got first hand knowledge of the crap that happens on film and tv sets.  So when I see something like that and the explanation is given about limitations for budget or practicality reasons...it doesn't ring false automatically for me.



He said "Served During Alderaan".  This meant he was with the alliance during the time Alderaan was lost.  Reluctant to bring real world events in but I have heard quite a few military say "I served during 9/11"  as a way of saying they were in service when it happened.

That wasn't a Medal..that was apparently his badge.  Basically an open invitation to join the New Republic.  The Rumor is there is a Disney+ Star Wars Universe on the way...with Mando, Cara Dune, Bo Katan and Ahsoka all having their own shows following their own stories but connected and much like Netflix's Defenders, having them come together again to face a threat.



We're not arguing...we're aggressively sharing our opinions.  We're Sith...its what we do.

Sorry, perhaps I should have worded it this way.

"Alright, back to your 'aggressive negotiations'".

[mindlessly munches popcorn while watching "agressive negotiations" and mumbles to self] "I have a bad feeling about this…"

Just the greatest force user OF ALL TIME ... the best Jedi of the Galaxy EVER...  ::)


SHAAK TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII #Love

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I just read that the Magistrate was from Dathomir. No official ties to the night sisters as of yet but could kinda explain her ability to keep stride with Ashoka. Probably a long shot on that.

It's one of the going rumors.  Ahsoka does say her people were wiped out during the Clone Wars...which would cover The Nightsisters.

Her accent is consistent with current canon nightsisters as well.

Nightsisters .... Thrawn ... Ahsoka ... Spin Off ??

That's the rumor.  Bo Katan, Ahsoka, Mando and Cara Dune will all have shows that are connected.

Hope that they will succeed to make something great with connected shows to make me forget the trilogy that has never existed  ;D

It's funny you should say this. I just watch a mini-vid on YT last of George explaining why he did SW the way he did it. He made damn sure that he was making HIS movies, not what some bean counting dick-tator studio said was how to follow a formula to "make a successful movie". As a result, the OT is timeless. There are a couple of rough edges that brand ANH as "made in the 70s", but the other 2 stand up even by today's movie standards. It didn't rely on popular gimmicks, and granted it couldn't rely on nostalgia since it was creating it. It is truly boggling that more studios don't use this thought process: Let the director make the thing. If he/she sucks too often, then they don't get more work. Easy. I would love to know that what I classify as "his" relentless #$%&-ups are him being bullied by the studio.....but there are just way too many for me to believe that. Also, I've given up on Disney being the source of these failings. Too many of their other properties are making money hand over fist. This is why I have taken to now just blaming the Disney Era of Lucasfilm (Lucasfilm{D}).

Well until he makes a story with Ahsoka alive post-ROS, she will prolly be assumed dead.

No, the explanation within the show was that he basically tinkered with them and improved their output or something. Unless "improved" merely means he changed their color, and in his narcissism, matching his means they are improved. Which is still weak AF. The lightsaber is a highly personal item, and one of very few things that are classified as a possession. Tinkering with another's should be shunned.

Eh. To each their own. I think it was an unforgiveable offence to go with what was easy vs what makes sense.

Whoop-de-#$%&ing-do. Considering that there wasn't a battle, it's like saying "I was alive during the Clone Wars." Basically he's looking for recognition despite having absolutely NOTHING to do with the event. Now had the Rebellion launched an attack on the Death Star, in an effort to stop Alderaan's destruction, but they inevitably lost, then the line would make sense. He would have held a huge guilt over such a defeat as well as the burden of loss over the Rebels that died during the fighting. Now if the conversation were about Scarif, and he served during that event, then yeah, he's a big damn hero.

Ugh. Rather large for a badge. That whole scene just felt forced.

Ugh! Because we just HAVE to follow the almighty Formula. Honestly there is only one character in that line up that is interesting enough to merit such treatment, but she's already had the bulk of one series and a good chunk of another.

Yes. Aggressive debates.

What exactly am I negotiating?

She was more impressive in TFU. NTM hotter. ;D

Nope. Nope. We've only ever seen Nightsisters and Nightbrothers on Dathomir, so that's all that ever live there.  ::)

Please. I just got done eating.

I have to ....


....... agree with what you say dark sider  ;D

Well, it seems as if no explanation (assumed or fact) will satisfy your standards.

Probably not. I just wish things like this would be fully thought through before being made irrevocably part of the story. No it won't stop me from watching or enjoying what I can from it. It just irks me when details aren't considered.

Bad guy. Duh!

Maybe if I ever write my fantasy series, I'll have to send it to you and see what you think. I've got details upon details on the most randomest of things. It'd be fun to hear your thoughts.

They are thought through and adapted based on what ever limitations rear their head be they physical, monetary or time constraints.  But, Like We just said...it won't satisfy your irks.

By definition, irks can not be satisfied by explanations  ;D

I started watching S2 with mother last night. I won't deny your comments came back to mind looking at the generic look of the bantha. And I will admit, it struck. They are looking for ways to make a weekly thing that tells a story on a TV budget. However, TV is not as low-brow as it once was. And streaming TV shows, depending on what they are, can get stupid huge budgets. I mean, c'mon....we're talking about Disney + Star Wars money here. (You see...you see what I did there? :P) The bantha horns I can let slide because a) costuming a bunch of elephants ain't cheap (unless those were all CG) and b) not many people pay attention or even know about bantha horns. But people do pay attention to Ahsoka, especially how she has grown and developed. And the shows have put a lot of focus on her over the years. Now I also noticed this the other day, while looking at images of Shaak Ti: they made he lekku slightly shorter in TFU from their movie length. <gasp> But it took me years to notice because they still looked appropriate length for an adult. Also, they designed her to have them tied back behind her shoulders. There was something they could have done to keep them out of Rosario's way.

Sidenote: We made it through E2 last night, and mom had the exact same thought I did at the spider scene: "This is too Harry Potter."

Sounds like you're thinking Tolkien-level epic. But give the details purpose.

Silence, Jedi. Sith are......having a "civil" discussion. Yeah that.

Yes, TV isn't as "looked down" upon as it once was but an unknown entity is still not going to get tons of resources thrown at it.  I hate to sound like a broken record ,but it is vital to the point, that Mando Season 2 was finishing up post earlier this year as Mando Merch started selling.  Studios will generally give something high profile like this 2 seasons (especially when known money makers like Filoni and Faverau are involved) to hit and then go from there.  I think its obvious its a hit so I am certain without a doubt Mando Season 3 is going have a much bigger budget.  From what I gathered they worked a long time on how to make the Lekku work not just with length but weight.  I went back and watched EP II just to make sure I was right and Shakk Ti was never shown fighting (I was) but when Yoda Arrives and the Jedi are seen boarding the transport the actress has to be helped up to it.  While it worked and seemed natural you could tell the head piece was weighing her down.  Its one of those production nightmares, over complicated costuming that Lucas just loves.  But I agree...Shakk Ti's outfit in TFU was....interesting. 
   

I don't think I will ever reach Tolkien-level, but that is kinda what I'm going for. And yes, the details mush serve a purpose. Of course some of it is just world-building and fleshing out the society(s), but there wont be random things that are just there because I wanted them to be there. They will all make sense (hopefully).

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HOLY FREAKING BOBA FETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ok, Robert Rodriguez for this S02E06 ...

Gun fight !!!!  ;D

What'd you think Seb? Good or bad episode?

I loved it .... but How Bobba can be right here, right now on Tython ?? I know that there is mystery in the galaxy ... but I really do not understand how he could knew that Mando was on his way to Tython ...

Someone has to explain :P

 

I'm thinking he tracked his armor. That makes the most sense.

Maybe ...

But let's not focus on that ...


I loved this episode ... very pleasant to watch. The team that is created to save Grogu is amazing ... can not wait for next week :P

And can not wait to know if someone received Grogu's message :P

I mean...its Boba Fett.  Both the old EU and Current canon make it clear he's one of the best Bounty Hunters in the Galaxy.



A short episode and while its not "filler" its definitely a "set up" episode.  It made Boba actually Bad Ass.  I know many have always seen him as such but I wasn't one of them.  I hope he keeps the robe look with his armor (defines it a bit more).  We get an answer to if Jango was Mando or not.  The child seemed like he really wanted the Dark Saber.  Maybe the memory of any saber training he received.   Big Question.....who will answer his call.

THE question that will make us discussing about hypotheses and theories during the next 8 months  ;D

Good lord I can’t win haha. So I decided to avoid this thread until I watched the new episode. Still am, I haven’t actually read any new posts in here just blindly making this reply.
Still accidentally saw a spoiler for today’s episode on the internet cause there was no warning and I clicked on it to see what it was. It was in a “news feed” and wasn’t even labels that it was from the show. Just gonna start avoiding the internet all together on Friday’s. That or just start calling off so I can stay home and watch haha.

Ok, watching it for the 2nd Times :P

During the gun fight, the stormtroopers miss all their shots (as usual) .... and suddenly, they all hit Mando ....  ;D

This. Boba was awesome here, and it's nice to see him with some impressive live-action feats to back up his cultural reputation and appreciation.

Now my question is will Mando try to get Ahsoka's help? Ahsoka said she was unwilling to teach Grogu for fear of him turning to the dark side, but I'd imagine it would be much greater potential, or at least much more imminent danger to literally have him in the hands of the bad guys. Or is Ahsoka already off doing her own thing relating to Thrawn?

I get that we don't need/want it to be the Avengers where every single living big-name character alive at the time teams up, but I'd think that Ahsoka already having left on Thrawn-related business would be the only logical explanation for her not helping to save Grogu.

Either way, this was one hell of an episode.

One (last ?) little thing.

Tython is in the Deep Core in the Legend UE ... I understood that in the new Canon, the planet is now in the Outer Rim (I refer to what Fennec Shand said that she is surprised that the Empire is here as the New Republic controls the Outer Rim )...

So the title is "The Tragedy", and I'm going to say that the tragedy was not losing the Child, but rather having the Crest be blown up.






Also, it is important to note (as I have been seeing people saying that Din needs to train with the spear) that Din already knows how to fight with a spear. The way he would use his Amban Phase-pulse blaster was like a spear. Even when electrocuting things, it would be like using the tip of the spear. Plus, I'm sure he has had training with a variety of weapons. And it is sad that his rifle is gone. No more disintegrations for him.

Ok thoughts now that I have see it.
Sad that the Razor crest is gone.
Happy to see the Slave I back in action on the screen.
Dark Troopers were cool but we need more of them.
I now have new respect for Boba Fett, he was a total badass this episode.
Loved this episode. Even though it was shorter then the last I didn’t feel it was short or anything was overly rushed. It felt just right.
I expected Grogu to get captured, didn’t want it to happen but kinda knew if would for the plot.
Grogu is starting to increase in power.

I will concede this point for now, but I would still like to know what options were thought of and discussed before they settled on the continuity error.

Now you have me very curious to know what you're working on.

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Just watched the episode and....my...brain...exploded!

Boba Fett was my favorite character growing up, so seeing be a total BA was a real treat. I did not expect that.
I also like that they clarified that Jango was a foundling. That answers how the Fetts can both be and not be Mandalorians depending on your point of view.

Grogu getting captured was expected. With only 2 episodes left this season, I expect next episode with be Mando and the gang tracking down Moff Gideon and having another cliffhanger to be resolved for ep8

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I'll be sure you get to see it when I get it finished (if ever).


I saw this earlier, but didn't read it then. I wish I had. That was amazing.

That's an amazing piece of art/conversation. I also think it is exceptionally fitting for "The Way" to be not only a creed for the Mandalorians, but also to really resonate with the Tao Te Ching's Eastern philosophy of "The Way," which, in my view, is really a suitable philosophy for what the Jedi should strive to be.

I mean, replace "The Tao" (or "The Way") with "The Force" and tell me it doesn't fit right in:

The Designer said he would go into more detail later, so I'm assuming after the season ends there will be a behind the scenes or "art of" thing released which will go into more detail.  To make an assumption based on my limited and amaruish knowledge of production design I would say they started off with the look just like rebels, realized it was to heavy and in the way, tried different material which didn't look right, considered CG and concluded it was to time consuming and expensive with their constraints, and settled on what we saw.  But we will see I guess so we'll table it for now.  Moving on.


That....gave me chills.  If only we could hope it would go this way.  Perfectly illustrates the fallacies of both the Jedi and Sith mentalities.  The Sith feared death (few exceptions) and spent their energy unnaturally prolonging their lives or refusing to lose any ounce of power.  While the Jedi feared that path so rejected all emotional attachment's which lead them to being ill equipped to handle a young, scared and very powerful  boys emotions.

Speaking of future Grogu design concepts, is the knob from the Razor Crest too small to serve as a pommel for a Yoda-sized lightsaber?

Actually from the way it looks in Mandos hands I would say it would be perfect for a pommel on a light saber and would be a great thing for him to personalize his saber with.

I just worry about the future because I wanna see him grow up and become a cool character but then where was he during the last trilogy? Although I like to still pretend it doesn’t exist.

Also I have a prediction. With the Razor Crest gone, Boba Fett will die saving Grogu and Mando will inherit the Slave I.

I don't know about that. Why bring him back, make him a Big Ole Bad Ass, then sacrifice him?
If anything, they're setting Boba up for a spinoff series. Ahsoka too.

The Razor Crest! Grogu! Both gone! My world...SHATTERED!! *faint* Not really, but this episode was accurately titled.  :( :( :o

Except Boba Fett was amazingly awesome, and I love that we finally get to see some Jedi stuff in the past two episodes. And I love all the "father-son" moments between Mando and Grogu!!!  :D

Let's hope things improve...but I see a big cliffhanger coming.

Just watched the third one. (yeah I'm late to the party).
Those mandos though. Love Bo katan. Those armors... And the gunfights XD
No detailed figures for them yet I guess?

So obviously everyone’s in love with Boba DESTROYING the storms, in his armor but how about some love for that Gaffi stick? Good showcase on how BRUTAL they really are

It was great. I really like how they've now prominently featured multiple non-lightsaber melee weapons that are very capable in the hands of skilled individuals. But I do also agree that this one was even more unique in how strong and brutal it was, as opposed to being more elegant and quick.

Let's just get this outta the way.

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AAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's Boba frikkin Fett. There is a reason he has the reputation he has.

Which makes even less sense, because he knew Cobb had it. Why not simply demand it from him? Unless he felt he'd have a better chance of explaining the situation to a Mandalorian. :-\ Or why didn't he track it and take it back from the Jawas?Agreed. I'm happy that Boba won't be a flash in the pan throwback. He's actually getting involved.

Quite. I think, for the most part, Boba was always labeled "bad ass" because he has more tricks than a Swiss Army Knife. But actually seeing him fight in the flesh, and actually fight was thoroughly satisfying. Speaking of.....anybody else get that satisfaction from the crunch of plastoid armor shattering under blows from a gafferti stick?  ;D ;D

But who was Jango found by? According to the history of the Mandalorians, Caseous Fett was the one who long ago standardized the look of the Mandalorian armor. So Fett is an ancient Mandalorian name.

I thought the holding cell scene was a little over done. It is becoming clear that Grogu isn't as naïve as we've been led to believe, so why focus on the first 2 goons that have clearly had enough, instead of turning your attention on the douche and new goons that just entered the room, before you get too tired? I'm still a little perplexed about why Gideon felt the need to show off the saber. However, despite my utter hatred of this saber, its depiction in this series is growing on me.

I don't think we'll be waiting that long. My money is that we'll be given a substantial teaser by the end of this season.

I decided to start staying up till midnight on Thursdays so I don't have to avoid this thread.

Yeah that. But hey, we got some artillery support.

YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ahsoka made it sound like "Everybody knows where Tython is." And then he just shows up, practically still giggling over learning the kid's name. I'd have thought that even at light speed, getting to Tython would take a couple of days. The Deep Core is not easily traversed. What I thought really lacked about the approach: No Ashla and Bogon. Where are the moons?

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It was tragic. I was really liking that ship. My only minute gripe: the ball would not have been in the crater, and there would have been a lot more large chunks of ship in the area. Apparently the turbo-laser gunners on Imperial ships are the real threat. Anyone else think that was a little too powerful for a single laser blast? Plus the color. I'm thinking they hit it with a torpedo. Thoughts?

But on the bright side, SLAVE I IS BACK. WOOT WOOT.

Meh. I'd like him to reunite with the Armorer, or at least another one, melt the spear and expand his armor more.

Fixing this

Exactly

Excellent thought. Or maybe mod it to be the emitter. Possible incorporate it into the body as a crystal chamber.

Easy. The abysmal ST is retconned into the bad dream that it always should have been (read "was). Grogu and Luke are best buds, bouncing around the galaxy like SW Adventure Time. (Math)

I really hope that this scenario won't play out for at least till the end of season 3.

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Thoughts not covered:

Despite my gripes of this episode, I have to admit, it was by far the best one they've produced. Bar none.

- I thought they did a particularly poor job of writing Mando this episode, but that may have been in order to put emphasis on Boba. Seriously, how many frikkin times does it take to sink in that you are NOT getting through the Force barrier. If it were me, I'd have made my stand at the site and not run off.

- Was very confused why Boba felt more threatened by Mando's jetpack rather than the blaster in his hand.  :-\

- I understood, but didn't like the obvious design tie-in of the Imp drop ships to the design of the FO ships. UGH!

- Seriously, WTF is a chain code?

- They goofed (no surprise). Tusken rifles are what is known in-universe as "slug throwers". They may not necessarily fire with ballistic cartridges, but they have always fired a projectile instead of the traditional blaster bolt.

- I thought Fennic's new hydraulics were superfluous kitsch. Why couldn't he have just found her, taken her somewhere, and nursed her back to health. It's been my understanding, even in the realm of SW, that cybernetic medicine requires state of the art facilities. Basically the kind you're NOT going to find on Tatooine. Also, why would she need a patch in her clothes to show it off? So yeah...don't tell me about "not in the CGI budget." That was dumb. But I am glad to see Fennic again. Ming Na always....brings a smile to my face. ::)

- I thought Boba got way too close to the cruiser to not be shot down.

- Anybody else catch the stupid when Boba put on the armor? Why would Mando reload the rocket, and where did he "just happen to get" the exact make and type that Boba always loads. -_- Seriously? Like we wouldn't know it was Boba unless the rocket matched? And then there was the whole misfire. It would have been cooler had he actually planned what really went down. But we have to insert a dumb joke.

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- I was....kinda...sorta glad they explained the whole badge scene from Ep4 better. He was basically attempting to deputize her.

- And one of the better parts of this episode: MAYFELD is back.

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So about the chain code...some folk on reddit actually managed to decode it. Its basically a short description of the history of that suit of armor. WHICH THEN name-drops Jaster Mereel as the Mando that found Jango. so thats canon again.

I'd be down for that, but I was just making it clear that Mando wouldn't need to train with the spear.

Alright let's do this:

Absolutely agree. I like it far more than the last episode (I like last episode, just not Ahsoka, and that brought the entire episode down for me).

- Agreed.

- Agreed, but it was literally done for story reasons. Without it happening, he would've been able to save the Child.

- Didn't bother me that much, but I definitely noticed this as well.

- Don't really care.

- I need to rewatch this particular moment, but it looked to me like it was a slug thrower. If not, it is highly likely that Boba modded it to shoot energy blasts rather than slugs.

- Agreed. I'm loving the character of Fennic Shand, but the cybernetic stomach doesn't make sense (although again, wouldn't surprise me in the least if Boba has sort of medical facilities on his ship).

- Agreed.

- I noticed this as well, and was wondering the same thing. Of course it is possible that it is fairly standard issue in the galaxy, but still, it is unlikely that Din reloaded. Possible that Boba did when he put it on, but again, that totally depends on Din just happening to have the correct missile.

- Sure.

- Meh. Didn't care for his character in S1, he just didn't quite feel Star Wars to me. That being said, I am not really opposed to him returning. Just not terribly excited.


And now my question to Logos: Could (as in, is it even remotely possible) the "knob" have survived the explosion in as good of condition as it seemed to be? I say it can, everyone else (literally, my sister even brought it up) is saying that it couldn't, so it must be Beskar. Am I right here? Regardless of whether or not it would have been in the crater (I also thought it should've been thrown out during the explosion), is it possible?