Darth Tepes
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« Reply #3210 on: May 31, 2019, 05:12:17 PM » |
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Which of course is completely WRONG. Energy sources, particularly electricity, are negative in polarity. The field would have to also be negative in order be effective. Last I checked same repels same. So 1) how can blades attract to one another, and 2) how the hell do combatants get them apart again? Considering this comes from the same idiot writer that also gave them go-go Gadget Copter ability, I'm not surprised that it makes no sense.
Be Honest..is even 10% of the science in Star Wars accurate? As far as my limited knowledge of science is aware, a lightsaber as is presented in Star Wars is 100% impossible.
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« Reply #3211 on: May 31, 2019, 05:29:10 PM » |
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Be Honest..is even 10% of the science in Star Wars accurate? As far as my limited knowledge of science is aware, a lightsaber as is presented in Star Wars is 100% impossible.
I'm not as interested in accuracy, but an attempt at precision would be appreciated. But this is the crap that comes from making kids' shows canon. "Who cares if it makes sense as long as it gets ratings." If blades "attracted to each other" then blades would lock every instant they contacted.
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« Reply #3212 on: June 04, 2019, 06:19:29 PM » |
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The last post was removed, please keep discussions with each thread rate G since we do have younglings and young padawans in the forum
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« Reply #3213 on: June 05, 2019, 05:37:57 AM » |
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I'm not as interested in accuracy, but an attempt at precision would be appreciated. But this is the crap that comes from making kids' shows canon. "Who cares if it makes sense as long as it gets ratings."
If blades "attracted to each other" then blades would lock every instant they contacted.
I'd say it depends on the level of attraction. Two magnets of limited strengh will stick to each other but you can still easily make them slide on each other and disconnect them with a little pressure while other more powerful ones can prove quite tricky to separate. What I've seen so far is that lightsabers don't seem to smoothly slide against each other but have a tendency to stick a bit (something that doesn't usually happen when using the lightsaber on most other elements) My guess is that plasma would be a positive charge (probably quite strong). You'd need a strong magnetic field to contain it. Then I suppose it's a question of how these magnetic fields would interact with each other. Obviously, I'm not expecting any real accuracy from a sci-fi universe. I'm probably just too much of a science nerd and want to imagine how it might work.
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« Reply #3214 on: June 05, 2019, 08:16:31 AM » |
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The last post was removed, please keep discussions with each thread rate G since we do have younglings and young padawans in the forum
Actually per forum guidelines, rating is PG-13. I'd say it depends on the level of attraction. Two magnets of limited strengh will stick to each other but you can still easily make them slide on each other and disconnect them with a little pressure while other more powerful ones can prove quite tricky to separate. What I've seen so far is that lightsabers don't seem to smoothly slide against each other but have a tendency to stick a bit (something that doesn't usually happen when using the lightsaber on most other elements)
My guess is that plasma would be a positive charge (probably quite strong). You'd need a strong magnetic field to contain it. Then I suppose it's a question of how these magnetic fields would interact with each other.
Obviously, I'm not expecting any real accuracy from a sci-fi universe. I'm probably just too much of a science nerd and want to imagine how it might work.
That kinda makes a little more sense. Like blades having mass due to the physical nature of plasma, but not so much that the average person would notice. Lightsaber blades are all based on the same technology, so why would they be polar opposites enough to attract? It makes no sense. And don't give me crap about light and dark sides when it comes to crystals because (even going off the current BS crystal canon) 1) Vader's first saber was a Jedi blade, so therefore it should have repelled against all the sabers he fought in the temple as well as against Obi Wan's. 2) General Grievous' sabers were also not "bled" <barf> but were also used against a LS blade which would have resulted in repelling. Also, in order for the containment field to contain a positively charged plasma beam, it would have to have an equal positive charge in order to keep from cancelling out. And because the fields are all positive, clashing blades would still repel due to like polarity.
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« Reply #3215 on: June 05, 2019, 04:35:59 PM » |
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The last post was removed, please keep discussions with each thread rate G since we do have younglings and young padawans in the forum
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« Reply #3216 on: June 05, 2019, 10:01:38 AM » |
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I always miss stuff
It was both uninteresting, unimportant, plus broke rules.
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« Reply #3217 on: June 05, 2019, 05:05:15 PM » |
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What Logos said
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« Reply #3218 on: June 06, 2019, 05:57:44 AM » |
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I always miss stuff
It was both uninteresting, unimportant, plus broke rules.
I missed it as well but figured it was all of the above That kinda makes a little more sense. Like blades having mass due to the physical nature of plasma, but not so much that the average person would notice.
Lightsaber blades are all based on the same technology, so why would they be polar opposites enough to attract? It makes no sense. And don't give me crap about light and dark sides when it comes to crystals because (even going off the current BS crystal canon) 1) Vader's first saber was a Jedi blade, so therefore it should have repelled against all the sabers he fought in the temple as well as against Obi Wan's. 2) General Grievous' sabers were also not "bled" <barf> but were also used against a LS blade which would have resulted in repelling. Also, in order for the containment field to contain a positively charged plasma beam, it would have to have an equal positive charge in order to keep from cancelling out. And because the fields are all positive, clashing blades would still repel due to like polarity.
I really don't believe there is any such difference between lightside and darkside blades. For me they're all the same really as far as their physical properties. Like what they're researching for nuclear fusion reactors, I guess they use a magnetic field for plasma confinement. I really don't know enough about the science in magnetic fields to figure out how one of these made for the purpose of confinement would affect the area outside of the confinement zone. Maybe it could act like a tesla coil where the magnetic field is stronger inside the coil than it is outside. From what I just looked up it seem that two tesla coils of same power placed side by side would either attract each other is their current flows in the same direction or repel if it flows in opposide direction. My logical conclusion would be that, since there doesn't seem to be any difference between LS or DS blades, then the magnetic fields would be like the two tesla coils with current going the same direction. Therefore, there would be a force of attraction between the two blades that would be weaker than the one containing the plasma within each blades. WOW, this almost makes sense I think I've done enough thinking for now as I'm only half-way through my first coffee of the morning
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« Reply #3219 on: June 06, 2019, 06:01:54 AM » |
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It was both uninteresting, unimportant, plus broke rules.
If it broke the rules, chances are good that it was very interesting.
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« Reply #3220 on: June 06, 2019, 01:25:14 PM » |
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I really don't believe there is any such difference between lightside and darkside blades. For me they're all the same really as far as their physical properties.
Like what they're researching for nuclear fusion reactors, I guess they use a magnetic field for plasma confinement. I really don't know enough about the science in magnetic fields to figure out how one of these made for the purpose of confinement would affect the area outside of the confinement zone. Maybe it could act like a tesla coil where the magnetic field is stronger inside the coil than it is outside.
From my experience in particle physics, magnetism, radiation, and electrical current is very scary shell. All three can have devastating effects on their environments. From what I just looked up it seem that two tesla coils of same power placed side by side would either attract each other is their current flows in the same direction or repel if it flows in opposite direction. My logical conclusion would be that, since there doesn't seem to be any difference between LS or DS blades, then the magnetic fields would be like the two tesla coils with current going the same direction. Therefore, there would be a force of attraction between the two blades that would be weaker than the one containing the plasma within each blades. WOW, this almost makes sense I think I've done enough thinking for now as I'm only half-way through my first coffee of the morning Please post the link to the article you refer to. From my understanding of EMF, if current is equally flowing in the same direction, then the resulting magnetic forces would have the same polarity. You can't get differing results from producing identical circumstances. Now if you reversed current in one, then it should produce an inverted EMF that would attract to the other coil. Although Tesla coils are a particular type of funny, but should be similar to the EM effect of induction...like a mag-lev. Propulsion is achieved through rapid push/pull by changing the current flow of the magnets. If it broke the rules, chances are good that it was very interesting.
For those that know me best, you know I'm usually all for skirting the edge rules. Trust me when I say it was nothing more than incoherent, possibly drunk, rambling.
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« Reply #3221 on: June 06, 2019, 02:00:04 PM » |
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Please post the link to the article you refer to.
You probably know more than I do but here is the quick reasearch I based my assumption upon: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/wirfor.htmlhttps://techtv.mit.edu/videos/813
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« Reply #3222 on: June 06, 2019, 04:29:59 PM » |
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Hmmm. The MIT vid seems counter-intuitive, but opposing sabers are neither in series nor parallel. They would effectively be "closed circuit" so to speak. The diagram however looks like it's supporting what I was saying. The force vectors (arrows) show what direction the magnetic forces are acting. In this case they are pushing against each other.
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« Reply #3223 on: June 07, 2019, 01:31:52 AM » |
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Ok I went back and looked at the scenes and All Kanan said was that the blades were drawn to each other...never said why
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« Reply #3224 on: June 07, 2019, 01:11:44 PM » |
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Ok I went back and looked at the scenes and All Kanan said was that the blades were drawn to each other...never said why
I somehow get the vibe that you're tiring of this discussion. "Drawn to each"? This I suppose could go with the current direction of crystal canon. I will spare you all my usual rants about bad writing.
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