Random Star Wars Thoughts

[PsychoSith]

And yet she still has yet to have formal combat training. This SHOULD be listed under the galaxy's most one-sided fights.

To be absolutely fair in TFA Kylo was grievously wounded before that fight, and we dont know the context of this upcoming duel yet.

[Taegin Roan]

And yet she still has yet to have formal combat training. This SHOULD be listed under the galaxy's most one-sided fights.

Also, as much as you hate it, she was raised on a desert planet with Unkar Plutt as a father figure. She basically grew up alone in the midst of a world full of people who took whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted. She had to learn how to defend herself. And she obviously got pretty good with a staff. Although yes, she had no formal combat training, she had first hand experience, which is considered by most to be far more useful and realistic than formal training. And, as PS said, Kylo was wounded from a Bowcaster shot (which normally would have instantly killed just about anyone, and thrown them across the room), and Kylo was not remotely in a good state of mind to be fighting in. Not to mention that he was trying to recruit her. Basically everything was against Kylo, and everything was for Rey. She had something to fight for (Finn, Han), which in and of itself gives you an advantage (at least in storytelling).

[Thnkswckd]

and what do you think the chance Ray is a Skywalker?

[Darth Tepes]

Also, as much as you hate it, she was raised on a desert planet with Unkar Plutt as a father figure. She basically grew up alone in the midst of a world full of people who took whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted. She had to learn how to defend herself. And she obviously got pretty good with a staff. Although yes, she had no formal combat training, she had first hand experience, which is considered by most to be far more useful and realistic than formal training. And, as PS said, Kylo was wounded from a Bowcaster shot (which normally would have instantly killed just about anyone, and thrown them across the room), and Kylo was not remotely in a good state of mind to be fighting in. Not to mention that he was trying to recruit her. Basically everything was against Kylo, and everything was for Rey. She had something to fight for (Finn, Han), which in and of itself gives you an advantage (at least in storytelling).

I too have used all of this to defend her fight against Kylo in TFA, and I still stand by it.  But afterwards...its just poor storytelling.  Yes experience is important.  You show me a Trained Fighter who is untested vs a person with no training who has had to brawl... I might give a slight edge to the Brawler.  But in this Case Kylo has not only formal Training...but Experience as well.  For at least 5 years he's been Snoke's fist as well he killed his fellow students (other than the few that went willingly).  There is no excuse for her being able to take on the Praetorian Guards like she did... She swung a lightsaber at a rock a few times...the were Snoke's elite who were giving Kylo a good fight.  This of course has been said before.  As for ROS...the rumor it will be revealed Leia was fully trained by Luke and she is completing Rey's training.

[Darth Logos]

To be absolutely fair in TFA Kylo was grievously wounded before that fight, and we dont know the context of this upcoming duel yet.

According to the standing tradition behind the bowcaster, Kyle should have been paste. But that's what I mean; Kyle was not at his best when they fought in TFA. The images show what looks like a fit and ready, ntm trained, duelist vs. an as yet untrained opponent.

Also, as much as you hate it, she was raised on a desert planet with Unkar Plutt as a father figure. She basically grew up alone in the midst of a world full of people who took whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted. She had to learn how to defend herself. And she obviously got pretty good with a staff. Although yes, she had no formal combat training, she had first hand experience, which is considered by most to be far more useful and realistic than formal training. And, as PS said, Kylo was wounded from a Bowcaster shot (which normally would have instantly killed just about anyone, and thrown them across the room), and Kylo was not remotely in a good state of mind to be fighting in. Not to mention that he was trying to recruit her. Basically everything was against Kylo, and everything was for Rey. She had something to fight for (Finn, Han), which in and of itself gives you an advantage (at least in storytelling).

I said formal combat training. Any thug can learn general fighting skills being raised in a rough environment. She already showed her ability to swing a staff in TFA. But as we can all agree, a staff is by no means a light saber.

Her lack of skill is further shown in that horrible throne room scene in TLJ. Kyle pretty much did all the heavy lifting (killing) in that entire fight. Rey just ridiculously swings a laser sword and tries to look like she's doing something.

and what do you think the chance Ray is a Skywalker?

Better be reeeeeeeaaaaaaaallllllllyyyyyy good, or Ima start a riot.

[Taegin Roan]

I too have used all of this to defend her fight against Kylo in TFA, and I still stand by it.  But afterwards...its just poor storytelling.  Yes experience is important.  You show me a Trained Fighter who is untested vs a person with no training who has had to brawl... I might give a slight edge to the Brawler.  But in this Case Kylo has not only formal Training...but Experience as well.  For at least 5 years he's been Snoke's fist as well he killed his fellow students (other than the few that went willingly).  There is no excuse for her being able to take on the Praetorian Guards like she did... She swung a lightsaber at a rock a few times...the were Snoke's elite who were giving Kylo a good fight.  This of course has been said before.  As for ROS...the rumor it will be revealed Leia was fully trained by Luke and she is completing Rey's training.

What I said was simply in defence of the Rey v. Kylo fight in TFA. It does not apply in any way to the Throne Room scene. While I did enjoy that scene, from a realistic perspective, it should not have worked. I had not actually heard the Leia trains Rey theory, but it does make sense. The scene in the trailer where Rey is training, looks extremely similar to the scene where Rey and Leia are hugging (location wise).

According to the standing tradition behind the bowcaster, Kyle should have been paste. But that's what I mean; Kyle was not at his best when they fought in TFA. The images show what looks like a fit and ready, ntm trained, duelist vs. an as yet untrained opponent.

Exactly.

I said formal combat training. Any thug can learn general fighting skills being raised in a rough environment. She already showed her ability to swing a staff in TFA. But as we can all agree, a staff is by no means a light saber.

I will say this though, when Rey first picked up the lightsaber in TFA (technically the second time), she was swinging it, and fighting with it like you would with a staff, except for the fact that a staff can essentially be held just about anywhere (specifically the center 1/3), and the lightsaber can only be held by the hilt. As such, she adapted her staff fighting techniques for a weapon with a single place to hold it. Then the Force thing happened, and she started using it far more like a saber should be used.

Her lack of skill is further shown in that horrible throne room scene in TLJ. Kyle pretty much did all the heavy lifting (killing) in that entire fight. Rey just ridiculously swings a laser sword and tries to look like she's doing something.

You're not wrong there.

Better be reeeeeeeaaaaaaaallllllllyyyyyy good, or Ima start a riot.

I'll join you.

[Darth Logos]

I will say this though, when Rey first picked up the lightsaber in TFA (technically the second time), she was swinging it, and fighting with it like you would with a staff, except for the fact that a staff can essentially be held just about anywhere (specifically the center 1/3), and the lightsaber can only be held by the hilt. As such, she adapted her staff fighting techniques for a weapon with a single place to hold it. Then the Force thing happened, and she started using it far more like a saber should be used.

Her "technique" was actually nothing more more than feral swings....which is pretty much all her staff work was as well.

I'll join you.

Welcome to the Resistance.

[Darth Tepes]

Her "technique" was actually nothing more more than feral swings....which is pretty much all her staff work was as well.

Which is why she never gained the upper hand until she allowed the force to take over.  My theory was she utilized the dark side since A.) thats the only force she had ever encountered in Kylo and B.) she wasn't in a peaceful state of mind.  She was scared....  I hoped that would be a plot point in Ep 8...of course it wasn't.


Apparently in Bob Iger's memoir that just came out he talks about how Lucas was upset and felt betrayed by the fact they outright threw out his ideas for the sequel trilogy.

[Taegin Roan]

Apparently in Bob Iger's memoir that just came out he talks about how Lucas was upset and felt betrayed by the fact they outright threw out his ideas for the sequel trilogy.

Yeah, Star.Wars.Theory's breakdown of it is pretty sad. Worth the watch though.

[TheDutchman]

Apparently in Bob Iger's memoir that just came out he talks about how Lucas was upset and felt betrayed by the fact they outright threw out his ideas for the sequel trilogy.

Yeah, Star.Wars.Theory's breakdown of it is pretty sad. Worth the watch though.

I knew that Lucas had offered Disney a breakdown of his plotting for the Sequel Trilogy but I don't know anything beyond that.  Anyone have any details?  Not that it really matters beyond trivia but I would like to have an idea as to what alternative we--as fans--could have had instead of the abortion-that-lived Eps.7&8 that we got...

[Infinit01]

Lucas gave Disney a show of his plots and they bought it but when The Force Awakens arrived, Lucas realized that nothing was used other than some of the new characters and their arc.

[TheDutchman]

Lucas gave Disney a show of his plots and they bought it but when The Force Awakens arrived, Lucas realized that nothing was used other than some of the new characters and their arc.

Right.  Sorry, I meant details (if any) of the actual story itself that Lucas had penned.

Sorry for the ambiguity 

[Infinit01]

Right.  Sorry, I meant details (if any) of the actual story itself that Lucas had penned.

Sorry for the ambiguity 

No worries, I didn't take it as that. I hope that we'll get what Lucas envisioned but I'm not keeping my hopes up

[Darth Logos]

Which is why she never gained the upper hand until she allowed the force to take over.  My theory was she utilized the dark side since A.) thats the only force she had ever encountered in Kylo and B.) she wasn't in a peaceful state of mind.  She was scared....  I hoped that would be a plot point in Ep 8...of course it wasn't.

Not necessarily. In the scene where she "turns herself over to the Force" there is a moment she takes to focus and calm herself.

Apparently in Bob Iger's memoir that just came out he talks about how Lucas was upset and felt betrayed by the fact they outright threw out his ideas for the sequel trilogy.

Say what you will about the prequels, they still felt like SW. These Disney flicks have been lacking in that vibe, universally.

Yeah, Star.Wars.Theory's breakdown of it is pretty sad. Worth the watch though.

Link please?

[Darth Tepes]

Not necessarily. In the scene where she "turns herself over to the Force" there is a moment she takes to focus and calm herself.
Say what you will about the prequels, they still felt like SW. These Disney flicks have been lacking in that vibe, universally.
Link please?

Which is still shift since without training she was able to focus herself in combat like that...something Jedi learn over years.  Just another example of shoddy story crafting. 

I will always say the Prequels were Inferior films next to the OT... and many of the choices I thought were not that great..BUT...they were still "Star Wars"  and as much as I disliked changes or ideas of his...Lucas gets more of a pass than Disney because it was his world.


If you've never watched his channel, I recommend it highly.  He's the one that put out that bad ass Vader fan film not too long ago..

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udaKOdDdcD8" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">www.youtube.com/watch?v=udaKOdDdcD8</a>

I too would like to hear or read one day what Lucas envisioned.  Doubt Disney will let it out though.