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« Reply #3495 on: February 14, 2020, 10:10:38 AM »

I don't remember that line. Have to watch again.

I just watched all 3 again this week. To me, the "story telling" is what screamed MONEY GRAB the loudest. It came across as a couple of fan-boys that "loved" the originals and loaded 80% of a feminazi producer's girl-power fanfic with remade scenes and references. The rest was colloquial contrivances and shark jumps.

He said it when Rey and Dime store Caedus were kissing.


That is the main thing for me.  People talk a lot about not letting the fans dictate the course of a franchise, which to some extant I agree.  But that is exactly what happened here.  These "fans" just happened to be big shot directors and a Producer who now could exert more creative control.  They put Their vision into place while lambasting other fans.   
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« Reply #3496 on: February 14, 2020, 10:28:36 AM »

He said it when Rey and Dime store Caedus were kissing.
Oh yeah. That.

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That is the main thing for me.  People talk a lot about not letting the fans dictate the course of a franchise, which to some extant I agree.  But that is exactly what happened here.  These "fans" just happened to be big shot directors and a Producer who now could exert more creative control.  They put Their vision into place while lambasting other fans.   
Exactly. I've also decided to give SWR a fair runthrough. I've just made it through them signing up Fenn Rau (or rescuing Iron Squadron). Either or, this series has some serious problems in its understanding of how things work (or should work). But I have to admit that it has produced some exceptionally well done scenes, that actually elicited old "holy $#!%, I felt something" feelings that I used to get from SW. I never got that from the sequels......with one exception: the "death" of Kylo Ren (not to be confused with the death of Ben Solo).
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« Reply #3497 on: February 14, 2020, 10:34:25 AM »

.Exactly. I've also decided to give SWR a fair runthrough. I've just made it through them signing up Fenn Rau (or rescuing Iron Squadron). Either or, this series has some serious problems in its understanding of how things work (or should work). But I have to admit that it has produced some exceptionally well done scenes, that actually elicited old "holy $#!%, I felt something" feelings that I used to get from SW. I never got that from the sequels......with one exception: the "death" of Kylo Ren (not to be confused with the death of Ben Solo).

Rebels was better (IMO) once Thrawn came in and they Focused more on The Force.  But its handling of Vader was what I really liked.

with one exception: the "death" of Kylo Ren (not to be confused with the death of Ben Solo).

Still haven't seen it so I'm guess when he switches sides...
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« Reply #3498 on: February 14, 2020, 10:35:49 AM »



Still haven't seen it so I'm guess when he switches sides...

Yes, very well-done scene
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« Reply #3499 on: February 14, 2020, 01:30:43 PM »

Rebels was better (IMO) once Thrawn came in and they Focused more on The Force.  But its handling of Vader was what I really liked.
For me it's been more of a roller coaster. I hate the vehicle designs of this series, they're boring. I liked the Grand Inq as a character just hated his weapon. Liked when they brought in Tarkin, the Empire started losing incompetence, and things started getting real. Loved Ezra's brush with the Dark Side. It turns my stomach with how they continually forget that TIEs have no life support. I have thoroughly loved how they have portrayed Vader; how they've described his presence. Loved seeing Rex again. Loved the idea of clones living to old age, and reaching senility. Hated the intro of more Inqs. Hated the intro sequence of S2. Hated the B-Wing proto. Loved the design of the Sith temple. #@%&ING HATED the Go-Go-Gadget-Copter saber bull$#!%. Loved the dynamic between Ahsoka and Vader. Liked that Maul came back. Hated how they ruined holocrons. Loved Maul's motive for linking the holocrons, though. Love how Maul regards Ezra as his apprentice. LOVED Ezra taking instruction from the Sith holocron; becoming a bit "devil may care". Hate Cham Syndulla. I hated that they messed up the environment of Ryloth. I dug the Enemy Mine arc between Kallus and Zeb. Digging that Thrawn was retconned with very few actual changes, but still hate the new eyes. (He'd have been so much more intimidatingly badass with the original Chiss eyes.) {**Thought for later.} I'm actually digging Bendu, but hating that they retconned the name. And after watching the History of the Mandos, I'm actually anxious to see how the rest of this plays out.

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Still haven't seen it so I'm guess when he switches sides...
Ish. I liked that, for the most part, he WAS dying, but his foe had enough compassion for him to heal his wounds. I actually thought it was a well done scene. I also caught that his face was healed as well.
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« Reply #3500 on: February 14, 2020, 03:08:04 PM »

Saw this yesterday as well. Hilarious, but still missed so many opportunities. I liked that I wasn't the only one who picked up that Finn is next to useless except for whooping and needlessly screaming at people who can't hear him.

My favorite part is when Mace is like "Get him" and they all start beating him with their sabers. Perfect throwback to the ROTS one.  Cheesy
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« Reply #3501 on: February 14, 2020, 07:05:41 PM »


Exactly. I've also decided to give SWR a fair runthrough. I've just made it through them signing up Fenn Rau (or rescuing Iron Squadron). Either or, this series has some serious problems in its understanding of how things work (or should work). But I have to admit that it has produced some exceptionally well done scenes, that actually elicited old "holy $#!%, I felt something" feelings that I used to get from SW. I never got that from the sequels......with one exception: the "death" of Kylo Ren (not to be confused with the death of Ben Solo).

I was a big fan of Rebels. I used to play a lot of the old Star Wars; West End Games D6 RPG system... and Rebels gave me massive flashbacks. Between 'young kid/Minor Jedi', Failed Jedi, Smuggler, and a 'Wookie first mate', I could pretty much pick out the RPG templates that they used.  A completly different but similar crew running adventures set in a familiar world... I enjoyed it quite a bit. Lost the channel after season 2... so trying to catch up on Disney+ now. 

Clone Wars... I never liked. I'm also tyring to push through it since i know they tie in with Rebels and i'm trying to fill that hole.... but man, I just don't like it.

I've considered the sequel movies 'ok'. Certainly not great, but not the worst things ever... and RoS actually redeemed a LOT of TLJ. but honestly I haven't felt any real 'spark' for Star Wars since Episode 2. Rebels got me excited again... and I loved SOLO too. Everything else... it's 'ok'.
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« Reply #3502 on: February 15, 2020, 08:42:50 PM »

Hated how they ruined holocrons.

Can you explain this too me? Legit question as Rebels was my introduction to Holocrons so I have no reference outside of this show and that thing in RoSW.
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« Reply #3503 on: Yesterday at 07:10:31 AM »

This reminds me I need to watch Rebels beyond the first half of season 1...
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« Reply #3504 on: Yesterday at 11:08:20 AM »

My favorite part is when Mace is like "Get him" and they all start beating him with their sabers. Perfect throwback to the ROTS one.  Cheesy


I was a big fan of Rebels. I used to play a lot of the old Star Wars; West End Games D6 RPG system... and Rebels gave me massive flashbacks. Between 'young kid/Minor Jedi', Failed Jedi, Smuggler, and a 'Wookie first mate', I could pretty much pick out the RPG templates that they used.  A completly different but similar crew running adventures set in a familiar world... I enjoyed it quite a bit. Lost the channel after season 2... so trying to catch up on Disney+ now. 
Similar situation. I lost Disney XD not long after said holocron fiasco, so I've only just started getting into new territory.

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Clone Wars... I never liked. I'm also tyring to push through it since i know they tie in with Rebels and i'm trying to fill that hole.... but man, I just don't like it.
TCW took some time to get its footing, in a similar fashion to SWR. There is a chronological order to viewing TCW that is on Reddit. Somewhere on the forum is a link. I wasn't a huge fan after my first viewing, but I started over with the chrono-order, and it was a little more enjoyable. I think my initial disappointment with TCW came from the expectation of something "great" due to hearing the fan buzz, and having a different definition of great. I docked the series an entire letter grade simply for them turning the Slave 1's comm array into an airlock. Unforgivable.

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I've considered the sequel movies 'ok'. Certainly not great, but not the worst things ever... and RoS actually redeemed a LOT of TLJ. but honestly I haven't felt any real 'spark' for Star Wars since Episode 2. Rebels got me excited again... and I loved SOLO too. Everything else... it's 'ok'.
WRONG! Cinematically, they were pretty well done. I have to give them that. But, in what seems to now be the SW norm, they took a stellar cast and gave them $#!% to work with.

Can you explain this too me? Legit question as Rebels was my introduction to Holocrons so I have no reference outside of this show and that thing in RoSW.
Per usual, Filoni's writers, him included, seem to have never read a book, and then get their hands on old ideas with no clue how to use them properly. Holocrons are synthetic crystals imbued with information by their creators. (OH SNAP! Disney canon #@%&ed up. A synth crystal can't be made for sabers but can for holocrons?) The first offense was Kanan listening to Kenobi's warning against returning to the Temple. Seriously? Kenobi created a holocron JUST to warn people? WRONG. And THEN Anakin is also on this holocron? WRONG! WTF? Did they make holocrons akin to Jedi cell phones, where you just remotely download info from the Temple archives? Then there was the "Sith holocrons are keys" bull. WRONG! Sith holocrons are just like Jedi holocrons excet they are tetrahedral or pyramidal in from instead of cubic. Finally, there was the absolute worst crime against concept to date: "when you merge Jedi and Sith holocrons, the secrets of the galaxy are revealed." <puke> These are not infinity stones; they were not some natural cosmic Force anomaly. They contain no more information than their respective creators possessed. The idea is tantamount to connecting an iPhone to a Galaxy and knowing everything on the internet. That's just not how it works.

This reminds me I need to watch Rebels beyond the first half of season 1...
Despite my gripes, the overall story has been entertaining, and it does get better the farther you go......until it explains how lightsabers "work". <barf>
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« Reply #3505 on: Yesterday at 01:41:42 PM »

TCW took some time to get its footing, in a similar fashion to SWR. There is a chronological order to viewing TCW that is on Reddit. Somewhere on the forum is a link. I wasn't a huge fan after my first viewing, but I started over with the chrono-order, and it was a little more enjoyable. I think my initial disappointment with TCW came from the expectation of something "great" due to hearing the fan buzz, and having a different definition of great. I docked the series an entire letter grade simply for them turning the Slave 1's comm array into an airlock. Unforgivable.

Well. my problems are pretty basic. 1) I'm tired of prequels. They just don't matter. NOTHING in this story seems to matter. Just as I didn't think it would. Every time they try to build some drama by capturing Grievous or Dooku or Anakin or obi wan get in over there head... We KNOW nothing will matter. We know what happens to all the major characters and this is the definition of 'empty filler'.  2) Knowing Anakin becomes  Vader and murders a bunch of younglings makes me not want to follow him as protagonist.  Like... At ALL. and 3) continuity is already screwed up. Anakin was never a 'master'. It was one of his biggest pushes toward the dark side by being on the council and not getting the title of Master. But then the second episode has 'master Anakin' and his padawan..... Ughhh.

Still trying to push through, but man It's a chore....

At least with Rebels it was brand new characters who'se fates weren't written in stone....



WRONG! Cinematically, they were pretty well done. I have to give them that. But, in what seems to now be the SW norm, they took a stellar cast and gave them $#!% to work with.


True... but that's why I think it's balanced out to just 'ok'. It's not the story i wanted to see... but meh... it was okay. It didn't infuriate me the way a lot of the prequels did with it's retcons. It just told a crappy future. Wink
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« Reply #3506 on: Yesterday at 04:34:25 PM »

1) I'm tired of prequels. They just don't matter. NOTHING in this story seems to matter. Just as I didn't think it would. Every time they try to build some drama by capturing Grievous or Dooku or Anakin or obi wan get in over there head... We KNOW nothing will matter. We know what happens to all the major characters and this is the definition of 'empty filler'.  2) Knowing Anakin becomes  Vader and murders a bunch of younglings makes me not want to follow him as protagonist.  Like... At ALL. and 3) continuity is already screwed up. Anakin was never a 'master'. It was one of his biggest pushes toward the dark side by being on the council and not getting the title of Master. But then the second episode has 'master Anakin' and his padawan..... Ughhh.



1.) While they don't matter in terms of ultimate outcome they matter in terms of understanding Anakain's fall and Palpatine's machinations. 
2.) That is quite literally the whole point.  Anakin was a hero, he would risk his life in a heartbeat...even for a droid as he did for R2.  Seeing the events and decisions that lead to his fall is what makes it interesting.  What would make this good man turn so evil is the question answered.
3.) He's still not a "Master".  Obi-Wan wasn't a master when he took Anakin as a padawan.  Knights attain Master Rank by training their first Padawan to Knighthood.  While Ahsoka calls him master its purely honorific and not his official title.  If anything the council's treatment of Ahsoka makes them not giving  him the rank of Master even more poignant.
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