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« Reply #3810 on: September 14, 2020, 11:46:26 AM »

Hard to believe we haven't posted in here for nearly 3 weeks. Too much slacking off going on  Grin

Just read the latest lemon in my journey through the EU novels: Children of the Jedi. I think I'm starting to get a better idea of the EU conglomerate during the mid-90's... and that it wasn't really that good.

To date my "lemon list" for the novels includes:
3. Rogue Planet
2. Children of the Jedi
1. The Approaching Storm

Unless you are a completist, might want to avoid that batch.

Speaking on Star Wars novels, somebody made Heir to the Empire into an animated series. Really not half bad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgRbUd9xil0#


Yeah Saso, I hear you: some of the novels leave a lot to be desired.  My own opinion mind you, but anything from Kevin J. Anderson is really off-putting: bad portrayal of established characters, a blatant Mary Sue, an unexciting escalation of the whole superweapon genre (look, it's the Sun Crusher, more powerful than even the 2nd Death Star!...which, ironically, was one of the problems I had with Episode VII: The Force Awakens).  So...yeah, some of the books are just plain BAD.

That animated series is a pleasant surprise!  Looks like it follows the book faithfully (which is good as I've always thought that Zahn's novels were an enjoyable addition to the series, especially since the last thing of "Star Wars" that I'd experienced was RotJ in the theaters  Wink).

Thanks for sharing!
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« Reply #3811 on: September 15, 2020, 07:30:24 AM »

My nomination for an EU lemon is The Crystal Star by Vonda N. McIntyre.

The notion of lightsabers that can only be activated by using the Force, as cool as it is, does NOT make up for the fact that the main threat that Han and Luke need to face is basically a giant, sentient, golden-scaled blob.  Not to mention we get another "Solo Twins Are Kidnapped" plot thread that ties into the blob threat.
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« Reply #3812 on: September 15, 2020, 08:41:37 AM »

My nomination for an EU lemon is The Crystal Star by Vonda N. McIntyre.

The notion of lightsabers that can only be activated by using the Force, as cool as it is, does NOT make up for the fact that the main threat that Han and Luke need to face is basically a giant, sentient, golden-scaled blob.  Not to mention we get another "Solo Twins Are Kidnapped" plot thread that ties into the blob threat.

Oh joy, Crystal Star is now third in line as I look at my bookshelf.

On the bright side though, reading the EU novels and really any SW material is excellent for getting ideas for fan fiction. Despite there being some real bad stories in the mix I've gotten a lot of great ideas to explore and how to finely tune my writing (granted, sometimes it's learning what not to do instead of learning what to do, but I digress.)
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« Reply #3813 on: September 15, 2020, 09:47:16 AM »

Yeah Saso, I hear you: some of the novels leave a lot to be desired.  My own opinion mind you, but anything from Kevin J. Anderson is really off-putting: bad portrayal of established characters, a blatant Mary Sue, an unexciting escalation of the whole superweapon genre (look, it's the Sun Crusher, more powerful than even the 2nd Death Star!...which, ironically, was one of the problems I had with Episode VII: The Force Awakens).  So...yeah, some of the books are just plain BAD.
I'm not opposed to upping the ante with super weapons, just do it right. I've already outlined, numerous times, how to out-do the Death Star and every other laser based super weapon.

My nomination for an EU lemon is The Crystal Star by Vonda N. McIntyre.
Even I'm not opposed to that notion....if done correctly. You are referring to a Force switch?
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« Reply #3814 on: September 15, 2020, 10:58:19 AM »

Even I'm not opposed to that notion....if done correctly. You are referring to a Force switch?

Something like that; it's been ages since I've read the book, but I think it was something like using the Force to connect a circuit in order to ignite the blade.  Not a bad concept, I thought.
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« Reply #3815 on: September 15, 2020, 12:07:56 PM »

Something like that; it's been ages since I've read the book, but I think it was something like using the Force to connect a circuit in order to ignite the blade.  Not a bad concept, I thought.
Basically, it is a tamper-proof. On the first level of protection, only a Force sensitive can activate it. The second level is that only one with innate knowledge of the saber's construction and layout would be able to activate it. I always viewed it as a normal switch, but housed internally so that the Force was required reach through the housing to hit it.
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« Reply #3816 on: September 15, 2020, 01:38:46 PM »

I'm not opposed to upping the ante with super weapons, just do it right. I've already outlined, numerous times, how to out-do the Death Star and every other laser based super weapon.
I don't disagree; it's the fact that for many of the stories, it was NOT done "right" (again, the Sun Crusher, Starkiller Base).
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« Reply #3817 on: September 15, 2020, 01:48:07 PM »

I don't disagree; it's the fact that for many of the stories, it was NOT done "right" (again, the Sun Crusher, Starkiller Base).
It was y understanding that Sun Crusher fired special torps that killed the fusion of a star, or something like that.
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« Reply #3818 on: September 15, 2020, 05:01:01 PM »

It was y understanding that Sun Crusher fired special torps that killed the fusion of a star, or something like that.

Good memory Logos, that is correct.
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« Reply #3819 on: September 16, 2020, 05:13:51 AM »

Yea the New Superweapon of the Week got a bit stale over time.  I seem to remember that when the Yuuzhan Vong came into the picture it wasn't well received...and not just because of a particular characters death.  It's what I had hoped Disney would do...a pruning of the EU. 
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« Reply #3820 on: September 16, 2020, 08:16:57 AM »

Good memory Logos, that is correct.
I never actually read it. I originally found out about it from an old friend, long before I was as deep into SW as I am now. Later I read about it in Wookieepedia.

Yea the New Superweapon of the Week got a bit stale over time.  I seem to remember that when the Yuuzhan Vong came into the picture it wasn't well received...and not just because of a particular characters death.  It's what I had hoped Disney would do...a pruning of the EU. 
I think it wasn't well received because it involved being from beyond the realm of our beloved galaxy.
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« Reply #3821 on: September 16, 2020, 08:20:34 AM »

I think it wasn't well received because it involved being from beyond the realm of our beloved galaxy.

That, and the whole idea of an "alien invasion" kind of loses its allure when aliens are and always have been an integral part of Star Wars.
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« Reply #3822 on: September 16, 2020, 08:27:36 AM »

That, and the whole idea of an "alien invasion" kind of loses its allure when aliens are and always have been an integral part of Star Wars.
Well that was covered in the "extra-dimensional" aspect.
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« Reply #3823 on: September 18, 2020, 09:13:10 AM »

BTW  Don't forget to add some of the comics to your TO Read list.  There were than a few storylines that were only in comic form.
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« Reply #3824 on: September 18, 2020, 09:42:41 AM »

BTW  Don't forget to add some of the comics to your TO Read list.  There were than a few storylines that were only in comic form.
Maybe. From I've gleaned from the buzz feed, the Vader comics try too hard.
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