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Author Topic: TPLA Shii Cho vs Kendo  (Read 9305 times)
Airk Tobruk
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« on: October 21, 2013, 05:18:20 AM »

I ran into an old co-worker this last weekend at a gathering. I knew he has been a Kendo practitioner for just shy of a year so we began discussing all things sword-play, naturally. He told me about his practice and I told him I've been studying TPLA's Shii Cho ciriculum. When he asked more about it, I began to explain lightsabers. At first he thought I was talking staged combat but as I explained more about TPLA's teaching style he became intrigued. He asked me questions and I explained the different strikes, the marks of contact, and demonstrated some footwork basics.

Now he's asked me to engage him in a friendly duel at his dojo. I've been training about 2 hours a week for 8 weeks. In that time I've been able to commit the entire dulon to memory, though it needs some refinement.

I've never before engaged an experienced opponent in full speed combat. He's offered to provide me with protective gear and a shinai. So I accepted.

My questions are: What are the best applications of Shii Cho against Kendo? How should I expect a Kendo practitioner to fight? And what's the best way to prepare for this, physically and mentally?
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2013, 07:01:06 AM »

I ran into an old co-worker this last weekend at a gathering. I knew he has been a Kendo practitioner for just shy of a year so we began discussing all things sword-play, naturally. He told me about his practice and I told him I've been studying TPLA's Shii Cho ciriculum. When he asked more about it, I began to explain lightsabers. At first he thought I was talking staged combat but as I explained more about TPLA's teaching style he became intrigued. He asked me questions and I explained the different strikes, the marks of contact, and demonstrated some footwork basics.

Now he's asked me to engage him in a friendly duel at his dojo. I've been training about 2 hours a week for 8 weeks. In that time I've been able to commit the entire dulon to memory, though it needs some refinement.

I've never before engaged an experienced opponent in full speed combat. He's offered to provide me with protective gear and a shinai. So I accepted.

My questions are: What are the best applications of Shii Cho against Kendo? How should I expect a Kendo practitioner to fight? And what's the best way to prepare for this, physically and mentally?

If I'm not mistaken Shii cho was based from a kendo format but I would ask nonymous this or vornach they were the two to form this. In kendo be prepared for head and hand strikes and many power strikes kendo it is very respected as a true way of the sword. The art is very sturdy which is why Shii cho was based off of it I think you'll recognize sai and cho strikes are closely related to some kendo strikes. To prepare meditate listen to music or just traditional meditation and practice only way to be prepared is to prepare.
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2013, 07:27:47 AM »

A word of advice, if hes been training for years then chances are hes going to effortlessly destroy you. Dont get put off, kendo is very very fast and very direct there wont be any showing off or flash attempts just lots of parrying and big cuts because its a sport they have some interesting rules and ways of fighting, be prepared for him to possibly let himself get hit in order to land a hit on you because double contact is so easy to occur anyway and it works the scoring system. Enjoy it Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2013, 12:09:09 PM »

I ran into an old co-worker this last weekend at a gathering. I knew he has been a Kendo practitioner for just shy of a year so we began discussing all things sword-play, naturally. He told me about his practice and I told him I've been studying TPLA's Shii Cho ciriculum. When he asked more about it, I began to explain lightsabers. At first he thought I was talking staged combat but as I explained more about TPLA's teaching style he became intrigued. He asked me questions and I explained the different strikes, the marks of contact, and demonstrated some footwork basics.

Now he's asked me to engage him in a friendly duel at his dojo. I've been training about 2 hours a week for 8 weeks. In that time I've been able to commit the entire dulon to memory, though it needs some refinement.

I've never before engaged an experienced opponent in full speed combat. He's offered to provide me with protective gear and a shinai. So I accepted.

My questions are: What are the best applications of Shii Cho against Kendo? How should I expect a Kendo practitioner to fight? And what's the best way to prepare for this, physically and mentally?

Keep your movements small and tight. Find out what his openings are. You will probably stick to mostly Shiim strikes. But don't be afraid to use high guard.

Wear gear and have fun! Rmemeber-invest in loss.
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2013, 12:13:26 PM »

The major kendo strikes are to the head, body, and right hand. The TPLA Shii Cho is similar to Japanese sword, so you probably won't see anything that'll really throw you off. As another poster said, though, kendo strikes are often very fast and involve small motions, unlike the wide Shii-Cho dulon strikes.
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2013, 03:27:00 PM »

A word of advice, if hes been training for years then chances are hes going to effortlessly destroy you.

He's only been practicing Kendo for 1 full year at the end of this month. I have height and reach that exceed his. He's 2 years younger than me but weighs more. I'm not exactly sure how these factors will play into our match but I'm curious to find out. The duel is tenatively scheduled for this next Saturday so I've practiced everyday so far for at least an hour, trying to incorporate Master Nonymous' advice of keeping my movements small and tight.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2013, 09:41:52 PM »

Also, remember your strike zones. As a kendo practitioner, he's mostly trained to handle attacks to zones 1, 2, and 4 (according to the Terra Prime naming convention).
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2013, 11:44:24 PM »

Also, remember your strike zones. As a kendo practitioner, he's mostly trained to handle attacks to zones 1, 2, and 4 (according to the Terra Prime naming convention).
This is EXCELLENT advice! Listen to it. Point!
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2013, 07:50:42 AM »

If I'm not mistaken Shii cho was based from a kendo format...

Chinese sword actually but for what's coming the origin really does not matter much.
To quote a wise teacher "The way to practice for a fight is to fight".
This is also practicing for future sparring opportunities.

Keep your movements small and tight. Find out what his openings are. You will probably stick to mostly Shiim strikes. But don't be afraid to use high guard.
High guard will protect your hands and allow you to protect your head quickly.
Avoid the temptation to strike to his legs, especially sine you are taller; Your blade has further to travel to his legs than his does to your head and arms.

He'll probably yell (kiai), it's part of Kendo. Some people who are not used to it are startled, which is partially the point.

Most important:
Be safe.

2nd most important:
Have fun.
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2013, 08:44:58 AM »


To quote a wise teacher "The way to practice for a fight is to fight".


Great quote.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2013, 05:55:22 PM »

I got some advice from sources off the forum on this duel.

"If you find yourself outmatch, guile can be a powerful trump card."

This got me thinking of Dun Moch.

My question is: Would Dun Moch be an appropriate tactic here?

My main goals of this duel are to "get my feet wet" with an actual opponent, find out where my strengths and weakness's are, and give my friend a decent amount of opposition.
I'm not hoping to best him given his experience, I just don't want to be completely destroyed.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2013, 06:30:18 PM »

I got some advice from sources off the forum on this duel.

"If you find yourself outmatch, guile can be a powerful trump card."

This got me thinking of Dun Moch.

My question is: Would Dun Moch be an appropriate tactic here?

My main goals of this duel are to "get my feet wet" with an actual opponent, find out where my strengths and weakness's are, and give my friend a decent amount of opposition.
I'm not hoping to best him given his experience, I just don't want to be completely destroyed.
No. Get completely destroyed if need be. That's a better learning experience anyway. Just have fun. Don't worry about winning or loosing. Neither of you will die. Don't be a jerk and start getting personal with a friendly match. Focus on your weaknesses and what you should work on in the future.
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2013, 06:58:34 PM »

No. Get completely destroyed if need be. That's a better learning experience anyway. Just have fun. Don't worry about winning or loosing. Neither of you will die. Don't be a jerk and start getting personal with a friendly match. Focus on your weaknesses and what you should work on in the future.

This is the way I was leaning Master. I want this to be an eye opening learning experience.
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2013, 07:08:10 PM »

This is the way I was leaning Master. I want this to be an eye opening learning experience.

I dueled Master Nonymous last year with gear on, never hit him, missed half of the shots that hit me, and all I've wanted since was a rematch for how much fun it was. We didn't even keep score. Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2013, 07:18:31 PM »

As a beginner, don't even worry about who's getting hit. Worry about making sure your form, your footwork, your blade-handling skills are as good as you can get them when you've got an actual opponent.
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