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« on: January 30, 2014, 11:19:33 PM »

I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and remembering that many felt that the old GCW should have had a clearer chain of command. So, with that in mind, I wanted to post the CoC here for all to see and reference, and how the two divisions of the Qanotha work together.

You may have noticed that there is a certain order in the unit listings thread. That is for a reason. Namely, I placed everyone in descending order based on their divisions.

Naval Units

Ship's Captain - Captain Hrental (Yarkora)
(Fighter) Lieutenant Commander - Kardac Shalth (Half-Human/Half-Thyrsian)
Technical Warrant Officer - Marik Thal (Genetically Modified Human)
(Fighter)Lieutenant - Dav Antilles (Human)
(Fighter)Lieutenant - Kellam Styg (Human)
(Fighter)Lieutenant Junior Grade - Daeron Sandor (Human)
(Fighter)Lieutenant Junior Grade - Jerima Krist (Human)

Ground Units

Ground Captain - Coren Lunelle (Human)
Warrant Officer - Deirdre (Shi'ido)
Sergeant - Kalli Acklay (Human)
Specialist - Tharu Tyy'n (Bothan)

Independents (Currently Attached to the Qanotha)

Mercenary - Trial Chief Warrant Officer - Ezekiel "E" Qualls (Human raised by Tuskens)
Smuggler Captain - Belyra Vekraa (Human)
Civilian Stowaway - Hentor Kulric (Kel Dor)


So, let's break down the CoC based on rank (numbering) alone before looking at specific circumstances.

Ship's Captain - Captain Hrental (Yarkora) TOP DOG/HIGHEST RANK
(Fighter) Lieutenant Commander - Kardac Shalth (Half-Human/Half-Thyrsian) XO/Second in Command
Ground Captain - Coren Lunelle (Human) Leader of Ground Forces/Third in Command

After that, it gets interesting...

The Fighter ranks are a separate direction of Naval ranks. They are comparable to the Naval ranks of the same level so you then get:

(Fighter)Lieutenant - Dav Antilles (Human)
(Fighter)Lieutenant - Kellam Styg (Human)

And then:

(Fighter)Lieutenant Junior Grade - Daeron Sandor (Human)
(Fighter)Lieutenant Junior Grade - Jerima Krist (Human)

Then comes three that are tied (numbers-wise):

Warrant Officer - Deirdre (Shi'ido)
Technical Warrant Officer - Marik Thal (Genetically Modified Human)
Sergeant - Kalli Acklay (Human)

Following them, you have:

Specialist - Tharu Tyy'n (Bothan)

And those who are only temporarily attached to the ship and have no real rank:

Mercenary - Trial Chief Warrant Officer - Ezekiel "E" Qualls (Human raised by Tuskens)
Smuggler Captain - Belyra Vekraa (Human)
Civilian Stowaway - Hentor Kulric (Kel Dor)

Okay, so those are by the numbers alone. However, as you all know, there are going to be circumstances where that all changes. For example, in ground engagements, everyone is subordinate to the ground teams (other than Captain Hrental and XO Shalth because they're far higher in rank). So, here's how that would break down:


GROUND ENGAGEMENTS/GROUND TRAINING:

Ship's Captain - Captain Hrental (Yarkora) TOP DOG/HIGHEST RANK
Ground Captain - Coren Lunelle (Human) Leader of Ground Forces/Third in Command
(Fighter) Lieutenant Commander - Kardac Shalth (Half-Human/Half-Thyrsian) XO/Second in Command
Warrant Officer - Deirdre (Shi'ido)
Sergeant - Kalli Acklay (Human)
Technical Warrant Officer - Marik Thal (Genetically Modified Human)
Mercenary - Trial Chief Warrant Officer - Ezekiel "E" Qualls (Human raised by Tuskens)
Specialist - Tharu Tyy'n (Bothan)
(Fighter)Lieutenant - Dav Antilles (Human)
(Fighter)Lieutenant - Kellam Styg (Human)
(Fighter)Lieutenant Junior Grade - Daeron Sandor (Human)
(Fighter)Lieutenant Junior Grade - Jerima Krist (Human)
Smuggler Captain - Belyra Vekraa (Human)
Civilian Stowaway - Hentor Kulric (Kel Dor)

In Naval engagements and training though, the ground-pounders are subordinate to the flyboys.

NAVAL ENGAGEMENTS/TRAINING:

Ship's Captain - Captain Hrental (Yarkora) TOP DOG/HIGHEST RANK
(Fighter) Lieutenant Commander - Kardac Shalth (Half-Human/Half-Thyrsian) XO/Second in Command
(Fighter)Lieutenant - Dav Antilles (Human)
(Fighter)Lieutenant - Kellam Styg (Human)
Ground Captain - Coren Lunelle (Human) Leader of Ground Forces/Third in Command
(Fighter)Lieutenant Junior Grade - Daeron Sandor (Human)
(Fighter)Lieutenant Junior Grade - Jerima Krist (Human)
Technical Warrant Officer - Marik Thal (Genetically Modified Human)
Warrant Officer - Deirdre (Shi'ido)
Sergeant - Kalli Acklay (Human)
Specialist - Tharu Tyy'n (Bothan)
Mercenary - Trial Chief Warrant Officer - Ezekiel "E" Qualls (Human raised by Tuskens)
Smuggler Captain - Belyra Vekraa (Human)
Civilian Stowaway - Hentor Kulric (Kel Dor)

There are also times when people with certain specializations will take over. For example, since he's the Engineering Chief, all engineering tasks find Thal in total control.

This will be updated as needed, but this should give an idea. As long as you are being trained for being on the ground, if you're a flyboy, you are the subordinate. If you're being trained for being in space/air, if you're a ground-pounder, you're the subordinate.
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2014, 09:33:24 PM »

Curious to one aspect...there is a lot to take in but this popped out to me...

Sergeant - Kalli Acklay (Human)
Warrant Officer - Deirdre (Shi'ido)

Repeatedly a Sergeant is listed above a Warrant Officer.

That is like the cashier being over the assistance manager, the waiter being over the chef, etc.

Enlisted ranks would never be over an officer rank.  A rare occurrence of a particular job such as crytological tech having special access to top secret equipment and messages that a high ranking officer would not, unless rated for such access...but the tech is not over the officer...or say the officer was a doctor or scientist type, being lead through a battlefield, this situation would put the non-combat types under the senior enlisted if there were no field officers on hand, but this would be rare and strictly temporary as the officer still out ranks the enlisted but must follow his instructions and lead due to the qualifications and skills involved.
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2014, 09:38:53 PM »

My apologies for the inconsistency and confusion! I was simply going by the number system in the Ranking System thread which was based on various SW sources and not real world sources. So, based on the numbering system, they're both Sixth rank.

If that isn't how it would work though, I'll gladly swap them out!
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2014, 10:06:37 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2014, 10:24:16 PM »

My apologies for the inconsistency and confusion! I was simply going by the number system in the Ranking System thread which was based on various SW sources and not real world sources. So, based on the numbering system, they're both Sixth rank.

If that isn't how it would work though, I'll gladly swap them out!

I see what you did now lol.

To put it into perspective...

Enlisted ranks...private, sergeant, etc. are the core of any service...the techs, the mechanics, the drivers, the cooks, the cleaners, the movers, the builders, etc.

Officer ranks...warrants, ensign, commander, etc. are managers, leaders with ties to the admin/logistic/and political aspects.

The ratio of enlisted to officer is usually in the 20:1 region.

Lawyers, doctors, scientists, engineers, pilots, etc. are almost always exclusively officers.

Officers are nearly always loaded with extra responsibilities, manage budgets, and in the end have to answer to those above them for all those under his command...where as nearly all enlisted are delegated with a measure of the same type of responsibilities in relation to their rank, but for the most part are responsible for their own actions.

Officers need to have college/university degrees and enlisted need to have a trade/career training background and not necessarily a degree.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2014, 12:15:15 PM »

So would it be safe to assume that all pilots hold the rank of Warrant Officer by default? Or would they be Ensigns?
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2014, 02:39:43 PM »

So would it be safe to assume that all pilots hold the rank of Warrant Officer by default? Or would they be Ensigns?

Warrant Officers were enlisted first, making it to E6 or E7 before crossing over to the officer ranks, and some later switch completely over but this is rare indeed.

Warrant Officers are specialists where many line Officers are generalists...rank and file officers can fill an Admin job one tour, then supervising a large kitchen the next time, and then a rec center next time.

Pilots are specialists and do not serve as line officers except within their own flight ops and ranks.  There are some Warrant pilots but these are almost always smaller craft pilots like rescue, tugs, maintenance, construction, freighters, etc.  Fighter pilots are almost always line officers like ensigns and lieutenants; the exception being (in the real world example) craft like helicopters and such, there are Warrant pilots.

But as a whole Warrants would make sure the ships are maintained, repaired, and loaded...line officers like ensigns and lieutenants would fly them.

Warrant would be in the trenches with fellow techs working and line officers most often just direct.

Warrant Officers come with respect built in from enlisted and officers due to their commitment to get where they are, elite.

Line Officers get respect for their rank only, until they prove themselves to their men and women and other officers.

A line officer would never disrespect a Warrant or risk catching hell from the Warrant and line officer peers.
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2014, 03:21:40 PM »

Warrant Officers were enlisted first, making it to E6 or E7 before crossing over to the officer ranks, and some later switch completely over but this is rare indeed.

Warrant Officers are specialists where many line Officers are generalists...rank and file officers can fill an Admin job one tour, then supervising a large kitchen the next time, and then a rec center next time.

Pilots are specialists and do not serve as line officers except within their own flight ops and ranks.  There are some Warrant pilots but these are almost always smaller craft pilots like rescue, tugs, maintenance, construction, freighters, etc.  Fighter pilots are almost always line officers like ensigns and lieutenants; the exception being (int eh real world example) craft like helicopters and such, there are Warrant pilots.

But as a whole Warrants would make sure the ships are maintained, repaired, and loaded...line officers like ensigns and lieutenants would fly them.

Warrant would be in the trenches with fellow techs working and line officers most often just direct.

Warrant Officers come with respect built in from enlisted and officers due to their commitment to get where they are, elite.

Line Officers get respect for their rank only, until they prove themselves to their men and women and other officers.

A line officer would never disrespect a Warrant or risk catching hell from the Warrant and line officer peers.

According to Wookiepedia:

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Flight officer was the lowest commissioned rank of the starfighter corps of the Rebel Alliance, the New Republic, the Galactic Empire and the Galactic Alliance Defense Force (not counting flight cadet[1][2] or cadet/recruit,[2] in the case of the Rebel Alliance)[1][2]. Its rank insignia for the Rebel Alliance pre-Battle of Hoth was a patch on the left shoulder, with the interior possessing a yellow bump in the center,[1] while post-Battle of Hoth, it was similar to the rank of flight cadet pre-Battle of Hoth or cadet post-Battle of Hoth, albeit with a gold trim border.[2] In the Rebel Alliance, it was either below the rank of Lieutenant (pre-Battle of Hoth)[1] or below Lieutenant Junior Grade (post Battle of Hoth).[2] It corresponded to the naval rank of ensign.

So Starfighter Corps would use Flight Officer in place of Ensign(the ranks were equivalent, so an Ensign and a Flight Officer would be at the same rank).

So Starfighter Pilot chain of Command(during the time our RP takes place):

Flight Officer(equivalent to Ensign)
LT. Junior Grade(equivalent to 2nd LT.)
Lieutenant
Captain
LT. Commander
Commander
Colonel
General

This is what I can gather using Wookiepedia as a source.

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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2014, 03:52:46 PM »

Wookieepedia is a little conflicted in spots.  This is probably due to the original trilogy being conflicted.  In ESB it's Captain Solo and Commander Skywalker.  Unclear for Han if he is Army Captain(lower), or Navy Captain(higher).  My guess is he is Navy Captain because Skywalker is Navy Commander.  Han gets to be a Captain I guess because he has his own ship and also is a little older and more experienced.  Though it could just be Captain Solo because he is the Captain of his own ship.  Here's the confusing part, in ROTJ, Han is now a General(Army) rank.  I think Skywalker was also given this rank, but I don't remember for sure if he is given one in ROTJ.  Now Han could have been given that rank because while they were going to fly a shuttle, he was now in charge of a ground crew.  Also confusing is Lando is given a General rank and is flying the Falcon and leading a space squadron.  So yeah, the movies conflict things a lot.

However, I think this is how the ranks of pilots and also Naval Officers in general would be this:

Flight Officer\Ensign
LT. Junior Grade(equivalent to 2nd LT.)
Lieutenant
LT. Commander
Commander
Captain
Admiral

This relates to our own US Navy in the means of a Captain is the leader of a ship.  An Admiral is the leader of a ship group or the whole of the Navy.
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2014, 06:54:40 PM »

Wookieepedia is a little conflicted in spots.  This is probably due to the original trilogy being conflicted.  In ESB it's Captain Solo and Commander Skywalker.  Unclear for Han if he is Army Captain(lower), or Navy Captain(higher).  My guess is he is Navy Captain because Skywalker is Navy Commander.  Han gets to be a Captain I guess because he has his own ship and also is a little older and more experienced.  Though it could just be Captain Solo because he is the Captain of his own ship.  Here's the confusing part, in ROTJ, Han is now a General(Army) rank.  I think Skywalker was also given this rank, but I don't remember for sure if he is given one in ROTJ.  Now Han could have been given that rank because while they were going to fly a shuttle, he was now in charge of a ground crew.  Also confusing is Lando is given a General rank and is flying the Falcon and leading a space squadron.  So yeah, the movies conflict things a lot.

However, I think this is how the ranks of pilots and also Naval Officers in general would be this:

Flight Officer\Ensign
LT. Junior Grade(equivalent to 2nd LT.)
Lieutenant
LT. Commander
Commander
Captain
Admiral

This relates to our own US Navy in the means of a Captain is the leader of a ship.  An Admiral is the leader of a ship group or the whole of the Navy.

Starfighter Corps had their own unique ranking system, they did not use the Navy's. They used a slightly modified version of the Army's, replacing 2nd LT with LTJG, and adding Flight Officer. This one combines the two, which conflicts with cannon. (These ranks were also explained in a few novels, I believe one of the X-Wing novels was among them)

So this means Luke was a STARFIGHTER Commander(Different than a Navy Commander), and Han was likely only being referred to as "Captain" due to owning and operating his own vessel. Lando was likely holding the rank of Starfighter General.
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