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« Reply #90 on: February 27, 2016, 07:21:59 PM »

Moving on!
8. The Reaper sounds cool too, but is it?
9. Does the Reaper's pommel really have a big hole in it?
10. Is there a way to plug this hole?
Yes, it's cool, yes, it has a big hole in it, no, I don't think there's an easy way to plug it, and no, I don't think you should plug it.  (I know, you didn't actually ask the last question, but I answered it anyway.)

I love the Reaper; it too is on my want list.  To me, the most interesting part is the pattern machined into the body.  The pattern reminds me of a cross between a circuit board and the Nazca Lines (which are the ancient large drawings on the ground in Peru).

The saber is 15 inches long without the claws at each end, 19.5 inches with the claws.  It is available in three colors; the standard Reaper is black, and the Crimson and Azure Reapers are the same red-orange and blue colors that I've mentioned earlier.  In all three, the etched pattern is silver, the natural color of the aluminum.  The hilts are largely a constant diameter, with exceptions that I'll mention below.

The emitter is slanted and body-colored, with the long part on the opposite side from the activation button.  A bare aluminum claw extends down the blade from the long side of the emitter; it has four holes drilled across it and a scalloped outer edge.  The slant is a straight line, about a 45-degree angle.  There is a thin outline etched into the saber here, like a hint at the pattern on the rest of it; unlike the rest, this is body-colored rather than silver.

Immediately below the emitter are 5 rectangular windows evenly space around the body; the metal between the windows is slightly thicker, so that this area would be larger diameter than most of the saber if it were a full circle.  Immediately below this is a silver section that is the widest part of the saber; it is widest at the top, tapers quickly down to a cylindrical section with four raised rings, then tapers down to the body's normal diameter.  This would be a natural place for the upper hand for a two-hand grip.

Immediately below this is where the pattern starts.  The activation button is here, inside a circle drawn by the pattern.  The pattern extends down, around the Covertec wheel on the side, ending just above a silver ring that separates the body from the pommel.  This area is all constant diameter, which allows the saber's unique pattern to be the center of attention.

Below the silver ring is the pommel.  This, like the emitter, is a 45-degree slant with the long side at the back and a claw at the farthest point; on this end the claw turns away from the saber's centerline rather than toward it, and has three holes drilled across it and some scalloping on the outer side.  As noted, there is no grille at the bottom of the emitter, just a hole.

...and here is why I don't think you should change the emitter.  As designed, the emitter and pommel echo each other; the hole in the emitter matches the hole in the pommel if the blade is removed (like if you were carrying it).  I think you are picturing the hole as detracting from the artistry of the saber, but in my opinion, it's an essential part of balancing the saber's lines and contributing a feeling of symmetry.

2. I'm curious about the Mallace, and what it looks like.
Can it be used without the claws?
Can some decorative screws be put in place of the claws?
Can the emitter be lined up with decorations on the hilt, and the power button?
The Malice looks like somebody decided lightsabers aren't scary enough and wanted his to be an axe as well.  It's based on Darth Malgus's lightsaber; Malgus is a character in Star Wars: The Old Republic with both the power and the audacity to attempt to supplant the immortal Sith Emperor.  Clearly not a lightsaber for the meek of heart... which is why it was pretty funny in that game when my sweet little healer-specialized Jedi Sage was using one like it for a while.  Smiley

The standout feature of the Malice is, of course, the claws.  The large versions are about 6 inches long, extending 5 inches up from the hilt; the small ones are around an inch shorter.  (If somebody has more exact measurements, hopefully they'll chime in.)  They are mostly black, with the edges silver to suggest an edge; however, they are not actually sharp.  In answer to your question, they are held on with recessed screws, and I believe you could indeed put decorative screws there instead; again, hopefully somebody who actually has one can chime in.  I don't think you could change the orientation of the emitter relative to the power button, but I again can't say for sure.

Without the claws, the saber is fairly straightforward.  The bulk of the emitter is silver.  There is a taper at the top of the emitter, then a black ring, a vertical black line on each side, and another black ring.  On the lower ring is a button like on the Bellicose; it can again be red, green, blue, gold, silver, or bronze.  Below this is a thicker black ring; then a silver section with a raised ring around three-quarters of an inch in width.  This raised ring has small teeth, kind of like a gear.  Below this is a black ring, then a silver ring; from here on down the saber is black other than activation button and pommel.  There are four grooves around the hilt in this section; one near the top, a large area where the activation switch is, then the other three below that.  Unlike grooves on most Ultrasabers, they sort of curve in.  The best way I can think of to describe it is looking like marshmallows stacked on top of each other.  (Except, you know, EVIL marshmallows.)

Damn, now I want some marshmallows.

The activation button is one of the standout features of this saber, possibly literally.  In addition to the normal options of guarded switch or anti-vandal switch, you can also get a raised activation box.  The box can be either silver or black.  It appears from the options that the switch might only be able to be silver, but you might ask Ultrasabers if you could get a black one if you wanted.  Notably, this is one of the few sabers where you can get an AV switch on a stunt saber.  Also notably, this is not in line with the decorative button above; instead, it is below one of the two claws--it is on the left side if the saber is sitting on a table with the claws parallel to the table's surface.

Below the switch, as I noted, are three more grooves, and finally the pommel.  There are three options for pommels on the Malice.  One is all silver; it is shaped roughly like a box with the top mounted to the saber, a gear tooth protruding out from each side edge, and an octagon on the bottom with three slits in it for sound.  Another is similar except that it is all black other than silver gear teeth.  Finally, there is a more conventional mostly round pommel; it is vaguely similar to the Bellicose pommel, but more rounded and with slightly more complex decorations.  I've tried to figure out how to describe them, but any description I've come up with is confusing even to me!  Suffice to say that it is not a plain-looking pommel but is more subdued than the other options.  If I were going to use a Malice without the claws, I'd get this third pommel design.

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4. What does the Prophecy look like?
The Prophecy is passingly similar to Anakin's first or second sabers or Vader's saber; however, it is far from an exact replica of any movie saber.  I've heard it described as Ultrasabers' first attempt at a saber in those styles, when their machining capability was still limited; whether that is actually true, I don't know.  At any rate, it is reminiscent of the sabers mentioned, but much simpler.  On the plus side, this simplicity probably makes it more comfortable to wield than the movie sabers.

The saber uses two diameters, which I'll refer to in the description as "thinner" and "thicker".  The emitter starts as "thinner" and the body ends as "thicker".  I don't have a Prophecy (yet!) so I can't tell you exactly what diameters these are, but the description mentions 1.45 inches as the width at its widest point.  Overall length is is 11 inches, and the saber is available either as all silver or all black.

So, we start with a 45-degree slant on the emitter.  Below this is a thicker section.  On the back of the long side of the emitter are two brass knobs; these are the retaining screws for the blade, rather than the typical recessed setscrew.  One of these is in the thicker section, one is above that; it's actually located where the slant starts on the opposite side.  On the next section, which is again thinner, there are two small circular windows on the left side (looking at the activation-switch side, which is opposite the long side of the emitter).  Interestingly, there are no matching windows on the right side.  This section is a bit over two inches long, and would be a comfortable place for an upper hand.  Next another thicker section, which is where the activation button is.  Below that is a thinner section, about an inch long.  Finally, the rest of the hilt is a thicker section.  This has six longitudinal grooves in it; between two of them on the right side is a Covertec knob in the same color as the rest of the hilt.  Finally, the pommel is a simple knurled disc, recessed slightly into the hilt.  The Prophecy is MHS-compatible, so you could use other pommels, but I don't know if there are any that don't work because of the way it's recessed.

One more thing to note about the Prophecy is that it's a v3.  Therefore, it can have Emerald or sound, but not both.

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I use to have an Anikan saber as a kid, and later found out that the details on it were mostly wrong.  It had some details changed for safety reasons.  Some people say the Anikin saber from Episode 2 was a smaller more Jedi version of his Darth Vader saber.  Although the toy version was larger than the Darth Vader version.
I know you had this as part of the previous question, but I felt like addressing it separately.  All three of Anakin's sabers have similar design elements, such as the slanted emitter and the ridged grip near the base.  Anakin's first saber does use a straight bevel on the emitter, like Vader's saber and unlike Anakin's second saber.  However, I wouldn't actually describe it as a "more Jedi" version of the Vader saber; merely as one clearly in the same style.  It is true that his first saber is smaller than the following two; the reason for the Vader saber's size is supposedly his cybernetic hands, while I'm aware of no in-universe explanation for the larger size of his second saber.  (The real-world explanation, of course, is because that's how big 3-cell flashes were, while the Attack of the Clones saber was custom machined.)

For the record, there is no actual Ultrasaber version of Anakin's first saber.  The Prophecy does have some strong similarities, and you could make it into a close facsimile without too much effort, but it wouldn't be a perfect replica, or even as close as the Ultrasabers Graflex and Chosen One are to their respective movie versions.
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« Reply #91 on: February 27, 2016, 07:33:23 PM »

Once again Vyk your descriptions are phenomenal.  Although I may have to rethink the use of the Monarch, because of my mental image of it.
You're welcome!  Cheesy
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« Reply #92 on: February 27, 2016, 07:34:53 PM »

A request to other people reading this thread: If anybody out here actually has a Malice and can give firm answers to BlindJedi's questions rather than my educated guesses, it would be appreciated.
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« Reply #93 on: February 28, 2016, 04:12:16 AM »

Once again Vyk your descriptions are amazing, and well, I'm not sure how to thank you for all of your amazing descriptions.
I can almost guarantee there will be more sabers I have questions about.
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« Reply #94 on: February 28, 2016, 06:38:20 AM »

Once again Vyk your descriptions are amazing, and well, I'm not sure how to thank you for all of your amazing descriptions.
I can almost guarantee there will be more sabers I have questions about.
Bring 'em on!  I'll start composing descriptions in my head.  Smiley

Just a note, though: I'm trying to finish up a project at work that really should've been done a week ago, so if you don't hear back from me right away, don't worry--I probably haven't dropped off the face of the Earth!  These are too much fun to write for me to forget about them, so I'll make sure I do them as soon as I have time.
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« Reply #95 on: February 29, 2016, 04:13:42 AM »

Vyk: In reading through the descriptions you have written thus far, I came across something that confused me.  Is the description you wrote about the Bane the US version, or the one from some other source?
Thanks again for the amazing descriptions.  It has given me a lot to think about in my film.
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« Reply #96 on: February 29, 2016, 04:59:27 AM »

My impression was that your question was about the saber belonging to Darth Bane.  To my knowledge, nobody makes a replica of that saber, partially because there is conflicting information about what it looks like.

I did not describe the Ultrasabers Bane... but I certainly could, if you'd like.  Smiley
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« Reply #97 on: February 29, 2016, 05:13:39 AM »

 I'd love to see a description of the Bane.   Right now, I'm trying to figure out the Sabres for my  villains. And as of right now I'm short one.
 So I'm considering the Omen, or War Glaive to fill that final spot. I'd love to see descriptions on both of those too.
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« Reply #98 on: February 29, 2016, 06:52:09 PM »

I'd love to see a description of the Bane.   Right now, I'm trying to figure out the Sabres for my  villains. And as of right now I'm short one.
 So I'm considering the Omen, or War Glaive to fill that final spot. I'd love to see descriptions on both of those too.
The Bane is big and mean-looking--it would be a good choice for a villain saber (for a fairly large villain).  It's 13 inches long (RGB version is 15 inches due to an enlarged switch housing).  The emitter, pommel, and switch housing are silver; the rest of the saber is made up of two large grip sections, which are black.

The emitter is a large truncated cone, flat side toward the blade; it is one of the things that makes the saber look large even though it isn't especially long.  The emitter fits into a silver collar at the top of the hilt and is retained by a red thumbscrew; this collar extends about a half-inch higher on the front half of the hilt than the rear half, and has a black circumferential line that loops over the top of the thumbscrew.  Below this is the first grip section.  The top grip section is black with 7 circumferential grooves, also black, and will fit one hand.  Below this is the silver switch housing, which is smooth and featureless other than the activation switch.  Next is a second grip, identical to the first except longer--9 grooves instead of 7--and which has a Covertec wheel near the pommel on the right side.  The pommel is cylindrical with 8 longitudinal grooves and a flat bottom.

The Omen is either going to be very easy to describe or very difficult to describe.  If you know what the Thundercats Sword of Omens (Lion-O's sword) is, that's what the Ultrasabers Omen is except with a lightsaber blade and your choice of black, crimson, or blue details.  (The original Sword of Omens has blue details.)  If you don't know what the Thundercats' sword is like and you still want a description, let me know and I'll give it a shot.  In any event, it's a design that will be instantly recognizable as a hero's sword to anybody who watched Eighties cartoons, so it probably isn't what you want for your villain.

The War Glaive is a better villain choice.  The 30-second description is that it looks like a medieval mace with a lightsaber blade sticking out of it.  It is available as the all-silver War Glaive or the black-with-silver-details Dark War Glaive.  The saber is 13 inches long, not including claws; the claws add two and a half inches.  The Dark War Glaive is available with either black or silver claws; there are no black claws listed as an option for the silver War Glaive, but I'd imagine you could get Ultrasabers to swap them for you if you wanted.  That said, I actually think they would look a little odd, so I wouldn't recommend it unless you were also going to add black detailing elsewhere on the hilt.

So, to begin at the top, we have the claws.  There are four, spaced around the emitter at 90 degree intervals.  The inner edge curves toward the blade, while the outer edge is two straight lines with an angle in the middle.  The end result is like a triangle, but with the side toward the blade being curved.  The claws are retained by button-head socket cap screws and can be easily removed.

The emitter is cylindrical and has oval windows spaced in between the claws.  (So, a total of four windows, also at 90-degree intervals.)  Below that is a choke point; this is a smooth concave section about an inch and a half long.  The rest of the saber, other than the pommel, is a constant-diameter cylinder.  The activation button is located about another inch and a half down from the bottom of the choke.  From the activation button to the bottom of the saber is about 6 inches; this section is covered in narrow longitudinal grooves--18 of them, if I counted correctly.  On the Dark War Glaive, these are silver--the only silver details other than the pommel and (if you choose) the AV switch.

The pommel is about an inch and a half long.  I can best describe it as a cylinder studded with 10 narrow gear teeth.  The bottom is flat.  On the Dark War Glaive, the teeth and bottom are silver and the space between the teeth is black.

The War Glaives do not come with Covertec wheels standard, but like any Ultrasaber they can be added.

In my opinion, the War Glaive or Dark War Glaive would be quite attractive without the claws as well; I would probably also swap on a slightly lower-profile pommel, such as a Catalyst or Shock pommel (or, for the Dark War Glaive, a Dark Catalyst or Dark Shock).  In fact, if you have a minor character who doesn't need to be on-screen at the same time as the War Glaive wielding villain, I'd be tempted to do that--without the claws and with a different pommel, I doubt most people would recognize it as the same saber.  To deal with the different colors, there is an RGB version of the saber--it's about 2 inches longer--but I'd just go with quick disconnects as long as you had another MLS LED module to swap in.

In a nutshell, I think the Bane or Dark War Glaive would be good villain saber choices.  The normal War Glaive looks powerful but is a little too shiny to look truly evil, in my opinion, but could work if that somehow went along with the character.  The Omen is not a good choice for a villain saber due to its instant recognizability to even a passing Thundercats fan.

I hope this helps!
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« Reply #99 on: February 29, 2016, 10:20:44 PM »

Vyk, once again your descriptions are incredible.
You've given me a lot to think about.  Like, not using the Omen due to its recognizable look.
So I'll replace it in my roster with the Mallace, and use the War Glaive as my missing villain saber.
Now, I'm going through my list of sabers, and trying to figure out which ones I'd like a description of.  The following came to mind.
1. Mantis.
2. Dominix, and Aeon.
3.  Iniciate.
4. Apprentice.
5. Sentinal.
6. Standard Issue.
7. Liberator.
And finally the saber I loved as a kid of the 90s because of its simple design, the Consular.
Thanks again for the amazing descriptions.
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« Reply #100 on: February 29, 2016, 11:11:50 PM »

What about a Bane emitter on a Flamberge or Omen body?
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« Reply #101 on: March 01, 2016, 12:24:52 AM »

I don't think the Bane emitter is removable. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #102 on: March 01, 2016, 12:29:35 AM »

I don't think the Bane emitter is removable. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
The bane does have a removable emitter, but I don't know whether or not it is an MHS emitter.

As for the Flamberge, because the crossguard mechanism makes the emitter as a whole, it would be impossible to attach a bane emitter. To an omen, sure.
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« Reply #103 on: March 01, 2016, 12:34:22 AM »

Yes, I think you are correct, Greg. I stand corrected.
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« Reply #104 on: March 01, 2016, 12:35:52 AM »

Yes, I think you are correct, Greg. I stand corrected.
Update, in the list of MHS hilts, it states that only the pommel on the Bane is MHS. The Bane emitter is only removable for the sake of having quick disconnects.
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