Sith Academy: Korriban

[janx]

Sith means Healer in all languages.

I Love You.

No it doesn't. In English, it at best traces to an archaic meaning as "since."

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sith

[DarthRondoudou]

No it doesn't. In English, it at best traces to an archaic meaning as "since."

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sith

Neither does it mean this in french

[Darth Crimson]

From my understanding, for reference, Count Dooku would be considered a Dark Jedi bc he left the order but he never had yellow eyes which indicate he wasnt a full pledged sith, and I think I'm right when I say he wasnt a Sith nor Jedi, but merely a Dark Jedi. Hope I'm right, correct me if I'm not.
Sincere Most, DC

[DarthRondoudou]

From my understanding, for reference, Count Dooku would be considered a Dark Jedi bc he left the order but he never had yellow eyes which indicate he wasnt a full pledged sith, and I think I'm right when I say he wasnt a Sith nor Jedi, but merely a Dark Jedi. Hope I'm right, correct me if I'm not.
Sincere Most, DC

I agree. Afaik, he's a dark jedi, he uses dark side powers such as force lightning but does not have sith eyes.
Still... He refered to sidious as his Master.

[janx]

From my understanding, for reference, Count Dooku would be considered a Dark Jedi bc he left the order but he never had yellow eyes which indicate he wasnt a full pledged sith, and I think I'm right when I say he wasnt a Sith nor Jedi, but merely a Dark Jedi. Hope I'm right, correct me if I'm not.
Sincere Most, DC

I don't buy that.

He was a Jedi. He went bad.  He joined Team Sith, directly working for Darth Sidious. He recruited is own apprentice (twice!).

He's as Sithy as can be. Calling him a Dark Jedi is like trying to make up words when there's literally a word for it already.

[Darth Crimson]

WE NEED A TIE BREAKER. Its either he is a sith and not a Dark Jedi, or its that he isnt a Sith and is a Dark Jedi. I personally believe that he is a Dark Jedi, and not trying to talk trash, but if you truly vote for neutrality, then you should have a white blade, bc that means you are neither a Sith nor Jedi, just saying.
Sincere Most, DC

[janx]

WE NEED A TIE BREAKER. Its either he is a sith and not a Dark Jedi, or its that he isnt a Sith and is a Dark Jedi. I personally believe that he is a Dark Jedi, and not trying to talk trash, but if you truly vote for neutrality, then you should have a white blade, bc that means you are neither a Sith nor Jedi, just saying.
Sincere Most, DC

you seem to have mistaken my profile pic and my quote and my position here as all being related.

The pic is because I made a cool steampunked pic with my first saber
the quote is because I want a zero for my force points

My position here is because of the material presented in the movies and Clone Wars cartoon.

Jedi is both a club and a mindset. Ahsoka got kicked out.  Dooku quit. They are not Jedi in the club sense of the word.

Ahsoka appears to still act as we imagine a Jedi to be. Dooku acts like a Sith Lord. Dooku knowingly serves a Sith Lord. He does not act like a Jedi.

Now perhaps if Dooku had left the order and truly worked for himself, still doing Jedi-like things but let's say darker, you'd have a case.

But the canon says he's a Sith. His actions and employer says he's a Sith. He is literally Palpatine's apprentice as a replacement for Maul. Not just some guy working for Palpy.

It's all here on the wookiepedia:
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dooku

It's on you to provide evidence that he is NOT a Sith for him to be a Dark Jedi.  Maybe call up Dave Filoni.

[Darth Tepes]

I agree.  Dooku was Sith.  But he never gave fully into hate because it would give him Sith Eyes and he had to keep up his appearance in the Separatist Senate.

[Darth Crimson]

Ok, so I just had my molar tooth pulled, so I need to relax, but how bout this. As I looked up Dooku, he was labeled as a Sith, BUT (so this doesnt escalate) he can also be considered a Dark Jedi. So you and yourself, Mr. Steampunk Man, can agree on something.
Sincere Most, DC

[Darth Logos]

From my understanding, for reference, Count Dooku would be considered a Dark Jedi bc he left the order but he never had yellow eyes which indicate he wasnt a full pledged sith, and I think I'm right when I say he wasnt a Sith nor Jedi, but merely a Dark Jedi. Hope I'm right, correct me if I'm not.
Sincere Most, DC

Not all Sith show their Sith eyes all the time. Senator Palpatine would have a real difficult rubbing elbows with Jedi during his terms if his eyes betrayed him. Darth Zannah was actually able to mask her dark side aura and walked right into the temple to use the library. They welcomed her as a fellow Jedi, so the eyes weren't apparent. Even Ventress, though not full Sith, was no less in the Dark Side, and her eyes never changed, even in the heat of battle. Tyrannus was measured and calm. We never actually see him give himself over to the Darkside (which would be unbelievably epic) as we did with Vader and notable others. In a similar way, Sidious didn't show his eyes until after having his lightning turned on him.

Dark Jedi are a completely different animal. For the most part, they still operate like a Jedi, only corrupt. Their abilities are still relatively similar. But abilities like lightning, sorcery, essence drain, and the like, require far more depth within the Dark Side.

[ThreadJack]

I think the line is also blurred because a lot of the old EU used "dark jedi" and "Sith" almost interchangeably. Especially in earlier sources. Even the latter ones didn't actually concern themselves with the difference.

[Darth Logos]

I think the line is also blurred because a lot of the old EU used "dark jedi" and "Sith" almost interchangeably. Especially in earlier sources. Even the latter ones didn't actually concern themselves with the difference.

I'm going to refute this. In the Darth Bane trilogy this distinction is made 2-fold. In Path of Destruction, Bane felt that Lord Kahn's Brotherhood of Darkness was little more than a dark Jedi Order, and unworthy to call themselves Sith, after what he had researched in the archives (which no one studied) about what ancient Sith were capable of achieving. The Sith use to live up the idea of "a living nightmare." He resurrected the Darth title as he believed the BoD was afraid of it and what it meant to earn it. In Dynasty of Evil, Zannah attempted to recruit a dark Jedi to become her apprentice. If I remember correctly, he didn't have the stomach for Sith-ing.

[mrg149]

Let us not forget that Dooku has the title of DARTH…Not something handed out like PEZ! This must be earned

[Darth Logos]

Let us not forget that Dooku has the title of DARTH…Not something handed out like PEZ! This must be earned

Well.....it depends on your objective. Maul was given the title Darth, even he was little more than a disciple, much like Ventress {however Darth Ventress has a beautiful ring to it}, and not an actual apprentice. Those that have read, or at least know the story of Darth Plagueis know that during the events of TPM, Sidious was still the apprentice. But when the master chooses to remain completely hidden, you lie, so that your underlings can't go over your head to the real boss. So, to cement the ruse, Sidious named Maul 'Darth' and sold the lie to the Trade Federation (at least the Neimoidians) that he was the master.

This is also important since taking an apprentice is the "gauntlet throw" that signals the apprentice's intent to take the mantel of master. Zannah took her time taking an apprentice, because she wanted to make sure she had tapped everything she could from Bane. Tyrannus wanted galactic reform. He felt a greater connection as an ally, so he had no intent on ascending to master......yet. It was also probable that since he was older (80) than Sidious (63), he would not have made it long enough to train an apprentice if he ascended. And therefore contented himself to remain an obedient apprentice as long as his political goals were achieved.