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Ruchalus
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« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2016, 06:58:28 AM »

I too am working on a saberstaff, however this one is going to be a replica of the Temple Guard Pike. The hilt is 2' and each blade extends 2'. It's a bit of ways from being done though, I'm working on the internals before I get to the hilt portion. I really want to believe that the saberstaff can be viable in a duel but there seems to be a dislike for it in TPLA (and they're the ones I draw a lot of inspiration from). I want to try to replicate some way that the Temple Guards could have fought with their double bladed lightsaber pikes. One thing that's still canon is that the lightsaber pike hilts are lightsaber resistant, so perhaps the middle portion would be used for some blocking?

Anyway here are some photos of my project.






So on a side note, when I'm watching your videos, I feel like if I were to stab your core area, it would hit. Do you have any experience with this? My only form of sword training was fencing (foil) and it seems like you expose a lot of your body by facing directly forward (then again I've never been trained in staff techniques).  Anyway, keep it up!
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« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2016, 11:54:06 AM »

Jaytee
Oooo thanks for that may use that in some discussions

Ruchalus
that is AWESOME I'm currently making a temple guard costume. ...when I have time but the saber is something I've struggled to find ideas for and would love to see how this progresses
and haven't had much issue with thrusts but I'll get someone to thrust at me when we spar and let you know what happens....the hema I've done tends to use square on stances which you're right leaves you more open to thrusts so I'm sure I'll soon see how open Cheesy
thank you for the input I love that the threads of use Smiley
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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2016, 10:13:41 AM »

Ruschalus thrusting wasn't a major issue but that may just be judging measure rather than the technique avoiding them...possibly something to look work on though so thank you for pointing it out!!

I put a pattern poomsae kata....what ever you wish to call it just basic movements basic guarding movements and strikes would LOVE to hear AND see someone having a go and letting us know what they think

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDTl9bTnOi4&amp;feature=youtu.be" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDTl9bTnOi4&amp;feature=youtu.be</a>
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« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2016, 07:15:26 AM »

Sorry been a bit quiet I've been trying to find some patterns that can be used with the dual sabre
I've mad some modifications using a pike extension to lengthen the staff i would dare go back on my opinion and call this a sabre staff



having done so with two regular blades the monster reaches almost 3m
unfortunately due to low celeing i only have the blades attached when using it outside.
I was delighted to have such a weapon mentioned in one of the bane trilogy used in the battle of Tython
the weapon is strangely wield-able
yes the spins are slower but the reach is immense and to those who say they would aim for the hands....yes a valid attack...if you can get the shot

SO to those looking to use more kata poomse patterns etc I've found this guy doing chinese bo staff on youtube and found two of the videos very transferable.
there are minor technical edits required to ensure you don't split yourself which i will be making a video to show my versions of the below two patterns but the spin videos are useful for coordination and control

the simpler one
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmy_qJ7o0uM&amp;list=PL1KFAvN24RsxuogCuoKlv9m3JM-lZDzPT&amp;index=3" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmy_qJ7o0uM&amp;list=PL1KFAvN24RsxuogCuoKlv9m3JM-lZDzPT&amp;index=3</a>


more complex one...this took a little longer especially when it speeds up lol

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSrr1pY00J0&amp;index=6&amp;list=PL1KFAvN24RsxuogCuoKlv9m3JM-lZDzPT" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSrr1pY00J0&amp;index=6&amp;list=PL1KFAvN24RsxuogCuoKlv9m3JM-lZDzPT</a>


to be clear these are not my videos and this is not me I believe these are useful for those wishing to advance their sabre staff techniques and abilities

Let me know what you guys think and if you get chance to play through the patterns I would love to see your videos

Westmoore
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« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2016, 06:50:57 AM »

So my attempt at the second taolu not great but you get the idea
little bit of spinning like the bo staff guy shows....big staff heavy to spin
someone asked how the quick release coupler held up so made this video
if you bother to read and watch this please comment your thought good bad or other
thanks
PS no mask as didn't want to be accused of this clown crap
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca3tt7WrgAU&amp;feature=youtu.be" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca3tt7WrgAU&amp;feature=youtu.be</a>
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Enso Marr
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« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2016, 07:03:08 AM »

That staff in the last video looks ridiculously long. It is half again your height! Have you considered cutting the blades down a little?

Here is me playing around with mine a week ago. Not completely combat related but I did throw in some strikes here and there.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFDCxshgZcs" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFDCxshgZcs</a>


A short one combining a hand spin with a simple strike.
http://www.instagram.com/p/BNH74KMgpT-
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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2016, 08:20:15 PM »

So for tgose following the thread I keep hearing how easy it is to hit the double sabers hilt...

My question how do we move to make the hilt less easy to hit or even use the opponents attackig the hilt to the dblsabers advantage

Eager to hear idea Smiley

I want to first start off by saying that I am in no way a master. The things I am saying are strictly my opinion and conjecture that I have not had the opportunity to practice near as much as I would like. The training scenarios I have run, though, have been relatively successful.

There are a few options to minimize the ability of your opponent to strike your hilt. The first is standing mostly in profile to your opponent and presenting with one blade forward and the other held back, head turned to face them.

This not only allows you to defend with the forward blade and swing the back one around at a moments notice, but it means that to actually target the hilt your opponent has to either move around your body or wait for it to be in motion.

The other method that I like is to simply move. As they have a swing they think is going to connect with your hilt, take a step back and at the same time move to the side in sort of a pivot.  This will also let you thrust forward with the length of the hilt and make a counter if you're quick enough. It requires more agility, but it's doable.

I'll try to get pictures or video to better illustrate sometime this week.
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« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2020, 07:00:44 AM »

Watching through those videos you posted Westmoore, it's obvious you grew more and more confident/comfortable with the weapon. Only original "weakness" in technique that I'd mention was the over head position. When directly over head, and basically behind your head. As noted later, basically just being wide open, begging for retaliation. I remember my sensei hammering in "don't over extend the action beyond it's intended purpose". I'd think it'd be better kept closer to forehead, leaving one blade angled down at a 45. Giving potential to manipulate incoming or stationary enemy blade and counter in same strike.  That said, the last video going through those Bo staff drills was pretty fluid. Enso Marr was flowing through movements remarkably well too. I see how easy it could be (or hard to overcome training) with a staff and then using a dual bladed lightsaber cut off your arm... tendency to cradle in an armpit or "blade" hitting back of your own shoulder could get embarrassing in competitive sparing. Excellent work posting ALL the videos though, exceptional job putting yourself out there for public consumption. I agree, I would like to see more collectively with double bladed sabers.  If I can get some videos to come together I will, but no promises...yet.
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