The "blade socket depth" thread

[Corwyn VonBeck]

Aeon v3:-          ~3" (~7.6 cm)
Archon v2.1:-     4" (10 cm)
Catalyst:-           1.75"
Dominix V4:-      3.5"
Flamberge:-        appx 4 inches on the main blade, appx. .75-1 inch on the crossguards.
Initiate V4:-        2.0"
Liberator:-          2.6" (6.5 cm)
Manticore:-         3.0"
Sentinel:-           2.75"
Propecy v3:-       3.14 inches (8 cm)
Standard Issue:- 1.9" (4.8 cm) to the bottom slant

All so far...

[Drahcir]

First post updated and added another hilt I had handy.

[James Casey]

Flamberge: appx 4 inches on the main blade, appx. .75-1 inch on the crossguards.

The v2 is about 3.5 inches on the main blade. Crossguards I'd say is the same.

[Master Medwyn]

Thank you all for your help, I personally find it really valuable to know these measures! Also kudos to Drahcir to keep the first post up to date!
I wish I could add more to the list but I only have a Prophecy so far and the sabers I expect to arrive tomorrow are already on the list.
Keep them coming!

[ithekro]

Archon v3.1 = ~0.7" (~1.7 cm)

[Vyk]

Aeon v2: 2.5"
Initiate v3: 2.5"

Also:

Manticore: 3.0"
Initiate V4: 2.0"
Catalyst: 1.75"
Dominix V4: 3.5"
Sentinel: 2.75"

Are you sure about your Dominix v4 measurement?  I measure mine at 2 5/8".  Did you get a typo on the first number?

[Rapine]

Aeon v2: 2.5"
Initiate v3: 2.5"

Also:Are you sure about your Dominix v4 measurement?  I measure mine at 2 5/8".  Did you get a typo on the first number?

Good eye.  I just remeasured and got 3.25" three times.  I knew it had a deeper channel than the Manticore, but the initial measurement was erroneous.

So, I got 3.25" on the Dominix V4.

I'm not sure why you get a different number.  The Dom we have is MM's, and is an LE, but I honestly don't see that making any difference.  She has two of them - staff - I'm going to measure the other, and see if it's the same.

EDIT: And, of course it is.  3.25" on both - confirmed.

[Vyk]

Good eye.  I just remeasured and got 3.25" three times.  I knew it had a deeper channel than the Manticore, but the initial measurement was erroneous.

So, I got 3.25" on the Dominix V4.

Mine is still nowhere close to that.  Maybe it's a configuration difference?  I don't see it in your sig; how is yours configured?

This is just a guess, but it seems plausible to me that Emerald would add depth required for the LED module, shortening the blade socket depth.  There must be at least 5 wires going to a 4-channel Emerald LED module, compared to two for a single-color module; that might take extra space between the bottom of the module and the AV switch.  If that is the issue, this list might get a whole lot more complex.

Would some other people who have sabers that are already on the list check to see if theirs match up?

[Rapine]

Mine is still nowhere close to that.  Maybe it's a configuration difference?  I don't see it in your sig; how is yours configured?

This is just a guess, but it seems plausible to me that Emerald would add depth required for the LED module, shortening the blade socket depth.  There must be at least 5 wires going to a 4-channel Emerald LED module, compared to two for a single-color module; that might take extra space between the bottom of the module and the AV switch.  If that is the issue, this list might get a whole lot more complex.

Would some other people who have sabers that are already on the list check to see if theirs match up?

The Dominixes aren't mine, they're my GF's.  They're both Obs lite - no emerald.  Maybe that is it.

The Manticore depth is with Emerald, the others are not.

It just occured to me that any saber with a "fixed" emitter would have varying depth depending on the LED set-up.

Any sabers with MHS emitters should have the same depth regardless.   Hey - it's late...lol

[Vyk]

The Dominixes aren't mine, they're my GF's.  They're both Obs lite - no emerald.  Maybe that is it.

The Manticore depth is with Emerald, the others are not.

Thanks!  For the record, my Initiate v3 is Obsidian Lite with a tri-Cree; it's from a few months ago.  My Obs/Em Dominix v4 is one month old.  My Aeon v2 is a single LED from 2012; size-wise, I don't think there's a difference between the 4-year-old single-LED and 3-month-old tri-Cree modules.  (Also, my Aeon v2 sits slightly higher than original due to some mods I crammed in there, but I accounted for that in my measurement.)  In a few more days, I'll have a SY Aeon v3 stunt to check the measurements of too.    (Hmm...  Maybe I should order a few more sabers... you know, so I can check their socket depths as a public service. )

If this is due to wiring, then we should see a progressively shorter blade socket depth depending on the number of wires to the LED module.  This is my understanding of how many wires there have to be; can somebody verify this?

single-LED: 2 wires
tri-Cree: 2 wires
mixed and forum colors: 3 wires
FoC: add 1 wire
2-channel Emerald: 3 wires
4-channel Emerald with one devoted to AV switch: 4 wires
4-channel Emerald with all four to the LED: 5 wires

I'm not sure about the mixed/forum colors in particular; I know there are resistors on one color for all of them except AS, but I'm not clear if the resistors are internal to the module (in which case you'd only need 2 wires) or external (in which case you'd need 3).  I'm also assuming that they use a common ground (that's how I'd do it), but I can't confirm that either.  The only module I have with more than 2 wires is my Emerald module, and it sure as heck does not want to move in my hilt, unlike my other two sabers!  Of course, if nobody confirms this before my new saber gets here, I can confirm it then. 

[Drahcir]

Updated the first post once more.

Also just picked up a v4 Dominix stunt I had lying around and the blade depth measured between 2.9 - 3"
I suspect variation might exist for all v4 and v3 designs based on how long the wires the installer used.

[Vyk]

Updated the first post once more.

Also just picked up a v4 Dominix stunt I had lying around and the blade depth measured between 2.9 - 3"
I suspect variation might exist for all v4 and v3 designs based on how long the wires the installer used.

Ugh.  That would kind of mess up the whole idea of this thread, other than for providing a range...  It might be limited to only some sabers, though.

I know why you said v4; did somebody mention a discrepancy for a v3 measurement?  Or is that your suspicion based on the internal design of the hilts?

Another possibility occurs to me: Drahcir and Rapine, when were your Dominices made?  (If you know.)  I doubt that has anything to do with it, but I'm trying to come up with explanations other than it being effectively random....  Unfortunately, Drahcir's hypothesis seems pretty plausible.

[Drahcir]

The internal space between the v3's and v4's are similar enough that anything that effects a v4 probably effects the v3.
It's just suspicion, but I'd put money on it.

The v4 Dominix I have on hand is just a couple months old.

Even if ranges are all that are gained from this, it still provides a good idea of what to expect - so it doesn't seem too problematic to me.

[Rapine]

MM's Doms are only a couple months old too.

It should only be limited to any saber with a fixed emitter. Shouldn't it?  That would mean all the way back right?

[Lord Japarco]

The Bane is going to be my second saber. Does someone know how deep is the blade socket of the Bane?? Thank you...