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« Reply #45 on: September 28, 2016, 02:33:48 PM »

The "documentary" looks just like a Kendo-advertisement.  Cheesy
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explicitly stated to be based on Pencak Silat
Pencak means "to fight". It's like Kung Fu - different styles that are called by a collective name for outsiders. But that is nitpicking.
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Ep V and VI had the heavier Longsword motions I prefer in my fights.
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For Ray Park, they casted such an Athlete that I always thought he created his own style for Darth Maul.
I think he had a say as the fight-scenes were developed, but in the end choreographer and director are the ones choosing the action.
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« Reply #46 on: September 28, 2016, 03:50:49 PM »

New Post, this one on Form V: https://thesnarksideoftheforce.wordpress.com/2016/09/26/form-v-djem-so-and-shien/
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« Reply #47 on: September 28, 2016, 06:58:32 PM »

Very interesting Smiley
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« Reply #48 on: September 29, 2016, 09:19:55 AM »

For an analogy to Shien you could take a look at I.33 - though a sword & buckler source, its tactics of binding, trapping and controlling are IMHO in line with this form (at least when it comes to saber vs. saber).
My interpretation of this aspect of Form V is centered on provoking, feinting and luring the opponent into a trap as tactical tools.
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« Reply #49 on: September 29, 2016, 01:33:05 PM »

Good call. I actually do know someone who made a 'lightshield' out of a hard plastic riot shield. It could be incorporated.
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« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2016, 09:05:26 PM »

Do not recall any light shield in SWU ... But i imagine that a 2nd blade can do the job ...


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« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2016, 01:08:39 PM »

A friend made one in the early days. It made a kinda sense that someone, somewhere, would have developed a portable shield device. friend took a riot shield, some EL wire and a shock pad. From there you had translucent blue shield that lit up brighter when hit.
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« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2016, 02:00:38 PM »

A friend made one in the early days. It made a kinda sense that someone, somewhere, would have developed a portable shield device. friend took a riot shield, some EL wire and a shock pad. From there you had translucent blue shield that lit up brighter when hit.

Sounds fun Wink
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« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2016, 02:35:28 AM »

For an analogy to Shien you could take a look at I.33 - though a sword & buckler source, its tactics of binding, trapping and controlling are IMHO in line with this form (at least when it comes to saber vs. saber).
My interpretation of this aspect of Form V is centered on provoking, feinting and luring the opponent into a trap as tactical tools.

There are definitely a large variety of sources which could have parallels with Form V.  The idea of defending and attacking in tandem applies to a large number of arts, and that mentality is the reason that we (at TPLA) utilize Form V as a culmination of the previous Forms.  High percentage techniques, which allow the swordsman to successfully strike the opponent while remaining safe, are pretty much the goal!

We (fencers) see it in epee, as well as the other weapons to a certain extent.  It's even more central with weapons that employ a larger guard, like longsword.  I'd love to see someone adapt some sword and buckler techniques, but unfortunately there's not a whole lot of precedent for shields in the SW universe (at least ones used with a bladed weapon).
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« Reply #54 on: October 02, 2016, 01:14:26 PM »

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I'd love to see someone adapt some sword and buckler techniques, but unfortunately there's not a whole lot of precedent for shields in the SW universe (at least ones used with a bladed weapon).
As I said elsewhere, the new RPG-line from FFG (which can be considered new canon) has the shield-gauntlet (projecting a round energy shield) and the energy buckler, so they are there (like the infamous lightwhip ...).

But you don't actually need a buckler to adapt the concepts. In I.33, the buckler serves two purposes: to protect the swordhand and to control the enemy's blade. These two things have to be done differently, but all other concepts (binding, winding, levering, deceiving) can be adapted rather easily. I utilize one special guard (I call it Hidden Guard, but it is derived from Underarm) in this aspect of Form V, which serves to deceive the opponent as to the actual striking distance, so he can easily be lured into a bind.

Bolognese buckler is even easier to adapt, but these concepts are more in line with Form VI.

The real problem is the polycarbonate blade, which is not really supportive of a bind.
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« Reply #55 on: October 02, 2016, 04:51:04 PM »

Do not recall any light shield in SWU ... But i imagine that a 2nd blade can do the job ...


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There are two canon examples of what could be considered light shields.  The shields used by the Gungan army in Episode I, and the smaller arm shields used by the Mandolorians in the Clone Wars cartoon.  Both are capable of blocking blaster fire, so I'm going to presume they could also block a Lightsaber.

A third, now non-canon example, are the arm shields used by Durge in the original Clone Wars cartoon shorts.  He did use them to block Obi-Wan's Lightsaber in their fight.

However, to my knowledge, there is not an example of actual sword and shield combat.
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« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2016, 06:30:20 PM »

There are two canon examples of what could be considered light shields.  The shields used by the Gungan army in Episode I, and the smaller arm shields used by the Mandolorians in the Clone Wars cartoon.  Both are capable of blocking blaster fire, so I'm going to presume they could also block a Lightsaber.

A third, now non-canon example, are the arm shields used by Durge in the original Clone Wars cartoon shorts.  He did use them to block Obi-Wan's Lightsaber in their fight.

However, to my knowledge, there is not an example of actual sword and shield combat.

I never thought about gungan shield able to stop a lightsaber. But why not Wink
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« Reply #57 on: October 03, 2016, 12:03:19 AM »

As I said elsewhere, the new RPG-line from FFG (which can be considered new canon) has the shield-gauntlet (projecting a round energy shield) and the energy buckler, so they are there (like the infamous lightwhip ...).

But you don't actually need a buckler to adapt the concepts. In I.33, the buckler serves two purposes: to protect the swordhand and to control the enemy's blade. These two things have to be done differently, but all other concepts (binding, winding, levering, deceiving) can be adapted rather easily. I utilize one special guard (I call it Hidden Guard, but it is derived from Underarm) in this aspect of Form V, which serves to deceive the opponent as to the actual striking distance, so he can easily be lured into a bind.

Bolognese buckler is even easier to adapt, but these concepts are more in line with Form VI.

The real problem is the polycarbonate blade, which is not really supportive of a bind.

Yes, I generally see those types of techniques under Form V - the bind is an important part of our TPLA Shien.  I'd say the bigger problem than the polycarbonate blade is the lack of a guard.  The blades work just fine, provided it's a heavy grade one, for binding techniques.  It's the danger of hand contact with an all cutting plasma blade that causes the biggest challenge there!
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« Reply #58 on: October 03, 2016, 05:09:49 AM »

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I'd say the bigger problem than the polycarbonate blade is the lack of a guard.
That's imminent in all forms, so I don't mention it especially here.  Wink
What makes the bind difficult is the lack of edges and the sliding of the polycarbonate. It's just difficult to control the opponents blade when you constantly slide along.
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« Reply #59 on: October 03, 2016, 09:22:59 AM »

The sliding of the Polycarbonate can be used. I do not know for other weapon but using a sliding cylindrical blade, you can make the blade of your opponent slides, unbalancing him/her. It is the purpose of the "Parade en toît*" in canne, french staff and, i think, english quarterstaff ...


*Very sorry, do not know how to translate that ... hope you will know it Wink
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