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« Reply #150 on: December 28, 2016, 09:00:18 PM »

And that certainly is true, but at this point she is most certainly in a deficit with me that it will take something very impressive to dig out from.

Gonna be honest, I don't see the problems others seem to see in Rey...everything she could do easily has a reason....  But you may have inspired an idea for me DJ.  Look for a new post from me soon in the Star Wars section
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« Reply #151 on: December 29, 2016, 12:47:34 AM »

@Darth Justicar: I too avoided spoilers till I watched the movie, and shared the same shock at everyone getting killed. I am still not sure of how much I like it because of that. Jyn was awesome, and I am really starting to like Felicity Jones. I don't think I am happy with her death.

Gonna be honest, I don't see the problems others seem to see in Rey...everything she could do easily has a reason....  But you may have inspired an idea for me DJ.  Look for a new post from me soon in the Star Wars section

You share in my opinions, and I also already replied to your thread with my two very small, minor, insubstantial, and did I say small annoyances with her. Other than those, I loved her.

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« Reply #152 on: December 29, 2016, 03:03:50 AM »

@Darth Justicar: I too avoided spoilers till I watched the movie, and shared the same shock at everyone getting killed. I am still not sure of how much I like it because of that. Jyn was awesome, and I am really starting to like Felicity Jones. I don't think I am happy with her death.

You share in my opinions, and I also already replied to your thread with my two very small, minor, insubstantial, and did I say small annoyances with her. Other than those, I loved her.



Thanks and that is the problem I have with these Anthology films.  There really was no way it could have ended without them all dying... if not then they would have to explain where they were in the OT.   That's also the issue with Rebels. 
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« Reply #153 on: December 29, 2016, 03:17:10 AM »

Thanks and that is the problem I have with these Anthology films.  There really was no way it could have ended without them all dying... if not then they would have to explain where they were in the OT.   That's also the issue with Rebels. 

But that also shows the might of the empire, the odds they were up against, and the sense of urgency the rebellion had. It also shows the strength of the characters we came to know and love from the OT.
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« Reply #154 on: December 29, 2016, 04:05:07 AM »

putting things in perspective we could use the same points on the prequils too, we knew the Jedi were gone, Anakin turned to evil as Vader. regardless we watched the films and we liked and disliked a lot of it.
Rogue One is the same in that regard. we knew those characters had to die to explain why we don't see them again. still a great story, parts we loved and parts we didn't. a good story draws you in and makes you care for the characters....they did their job well.
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« Reply #155 on: December 29, 2016, 06:17:28 AM »

putting things in perspective we could use the same points on the prequils too, we knew the Jedi were gone, Anakin turned to evil as Vader. regardless we watched the films and we liked and disliked a lot of it.
Rogue One is the same in that regard. we knew those characters had to die to explain why we don't see them again. still a great story, parts we loved and parts we didn't. a good story draws you in and makes you care for the characters....they did their job well.

and I had the same issue with the Prequels.  the difference is we knew Anakin became Vader and the Jedi were gone...but not the finer details that were important.  With Rogue One...the details were not important..at least imo.  Some Rebels stole the plans and got them to Leia....said and done.  No real need to invent Jyn, her father and the others.  I really cared very little for any of the character to be honest.  The more I think on it, the more I think Rogue One would have been a much more interesting film if it was told from the Empires Perspective
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« Reply #156 on: December 29, 2016, 06:49:19 AM »

and I had the same issue with the Prequels.  the difference is we knew Anakin became Vader and the Jedi were gone...but not the finer details that were important.  With Rogue One...the details were not important..at least imo.  Some Rebels stole the plans and got them to Leia....said and done.  No real need to invent Jyn, her father and the others.  I really cared very little for any of the character to be honest.  The more I think on it, the more I think Rogue One would have been a much more interesting film if it was told from the Empires Perspective

I tend to agree with you that this was a story that didn't need to be told, but I think there were some good finer points that RO gave us, and I am glad it was told.

The DS flaw as a sabotage.
The DS can travel through hyperspace.
Kyber crystals were the source of the weapon's power, which explains why the empire locked down all the caves and other crystal supplies.
We got other examples of non Jedi Force users.
Vader really was who we thought he was - frightening.
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« Reply #157 on: December 29, 2016, 07:31:56 AM »

I tend to agree with you that this was a story that didn't need to be told, but I think there were some good finer points that RO gave us, and I am glad it was told.

The DS flaw as a sabotage.
The DS can travel through hyperspace.
Kyber crystals were the source of the weapon's power, which explains why the empire locked down all the caves and other crystal supplies.
We got other examples of non Jedi Force users.
Vader really was who we thought he was - frightening.
I've been meaning to ask...

Does this mean the DC crystal "canon" has already been nullified if the Empire was capable of finding and weaponizing kyber crystals?  Undecided
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« Reply #158 on: December 29, 2016, 07:42:43 AM »

I've been meaning to ask...

Does this mean the DC crystal "canon" has already been nullified if the Empire was capable of finding and weaponizing kyber crystals?  Undecided

I know Disney essentially rewrote the entire book about crystals, but I don't know what you mean about DC crystal canon, so I don't know. Can you explain?
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« Reply #159 on: December 29, 2016, 07:45:35 AM »

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« Reply #160 on: December 29, 2016, 07:49:07 AM »

I know Disney essentially rewrote the entire book about crystals, but I don't know what you mean about DC crystal canon, so I don't know. Can you explain?
The whole BS bit that "only Jedi can sense kyber crystals and Sith have to steal them...blah, blah, blah."
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« Reply #161 on: December 29, 2016, 08:02:45 AM »

The whole BS bit that "only Jedi can sense kyber crystals and Sith have to steal them...blah, blah, blah."

Ah, so your use of DC means Disney Canon? I didn't know their canon stated that Sith had to steal them. I thought Sith could find them and had to "bleed" them to turn them red.

To be honest with you, this just helps prove what they did with crystals is one of the most confusing can of worms I've come across, and we've discussed this on different threads, but I'll say it again. They attempted to answer a few questions about crystal and blade colors, but they decided to rewrite the whole thing. In doing so, they created far more questions and issues then they resolved.

To answer your question, I don't know if their crystal canon has been nullified, because their crystal canon doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I don't understand it, because of all the questions I still have about it.
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« Reply #162 on: December 29, 2016, 09:28:53 AM »

Ah, so your use of DC means Disney Canon? I didn't know their canon stated that Sith had to steal them. I thought Sith could find them and had to "bleed" them to turn them red.

To be honest with you, this just helps prove what they did with crystals is one of the most confusing can of worms I've come across, and we've discussed this on different threads, but I'll say it again. They attempted to answer a few questions about crystal and blade colors, but they decided to rewrite the whole thing. In doing so, they created far more questions and issues then they resolved.

To answer your question, I don't know if their crystal canon has been nullified, because their crystal canon doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I don't understand it, because of all the questions I still have about it.
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Thusly my hatred of it. It made infinitely more sense according to the OC. "Hey I found a green crystal, therefore my saber blade will be green." Done and done.

And I've already said my bit about the Sith having to do stupid shell to get a crystal to work.
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« Reply #163 on: December 29, 2016, 10:34:37 AM »

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« Reply #164 on: December 29, 2016, 12:20:02 PM »

Ah, so your use of DC means Disney Canon? I didn't know their canon stated that Sith had to steal them. I thought Sith could find them and had to "bleed" them to turn them red.

To be honest with you, this just helps prove what they did with crystals is one of the most confusing can of worms I've come across, and we've discussed this on different threads, but I'll say it again. They attempted to answer a few questions about crystal and blade colors, but they decided to rewrite the whole thing. In doing so, they created far more questions and issues then they resolved.

To answer your question, I don't know if their crystal canon has been nullified, because their crystal canon doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I don't understand it, because of all the questions I still have about it.

In Rogue One we see the Empire is stealing kyber crystals from old Jedi and other Force related temples, and in Rebels we see the Empire is hunting for other Jedi temples as well once they follow the Rebels to the one on Lothal.  From the Ahsoka novel we know that the Empire has locked down and is likely strip mining Illum (which may eventually have become Starkiller Base).  In the novel Catalyst we are basically told the Empire took all the kyber crystals from the Jedi's lightsabers in the Jedi Temple and used them during the experimental stages of working out how to make the Superlaser.  We know from the Clone Wars and Rebels that rare huge kyber crystals can be found and are what the Death Star was originally designed to use.  We know there were experiments to make synthetic crystals for the Death Star but these seemed to have failed, or are just not up to the standards of real crystals for the Empire's purposes.  

So yes the Empire steals as many kyber crystals as they can find and strip mines worlds known to have such crystals in an effort to find more.  We don't know just how many kyber crystal weapon based projects the Empire really has going on.  Could be a few dozen for all we know, if they aren't just using them in all their turbo lasers and the like to make Imperial weapons superior to all the Rebel's old Clone Wars era knock off weapons.

As for the colors and such, I still think the idea of the Sith and Jedi using the Force to craft the crystal into their lightsaber is appropriate and basically what the old canon has going on anyway, even with the synthetic versions the Sith or Jedi used the Force in the crafting.   The Jedi use the Force to harmonize the crystal to themselves via the Will of the Force, so it comes out whatever color suits them.  The Sith dominate the Force to their will and order (as in arrange things into a specific pattern) the crystal into a specific powerful pattern which turns out to make the blades red every time.  The Jedi see this as unnatural and will attempt to "correct" this if they get their hands on these crystals by harmonizing with them if they make a new blade with them.   Remember many things in Star Wars are based on point of view and when it comes to kyber crystals, we only really see it from the Jedi's point of view.  It seems just slapping one into a lightsaber without at least checking it in the Force could result in the weapon's destruction and possible death of the user.  Even one that has be tuned might not be turned for your saber as every hilt is unique and handcrafted by the user so the power supply, diameter or the hilt, and all the other electronics and parts might not work with just any crystal without first at least checking to make sure the crystal doesn't just shoot the bland at a 170 degree angle from the power source and burn a hole in your hilt on activation.   We see the Giant rare crystal just blast powerful bolts in random directions when hit with blaster fire in the Clone Wars.  That it took the Empire 20 years or so to figure out how to get these crystals to fire as the Superlaser based on ancient Sith weaponry is impressive, especially since they had to use large and small crystals and tune it so it didn't blow itself up like one of the early prototypes did.
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