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Aayrick
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« on: December 23, 2016, 08:04:26 PM »

I was thinking of adding another set screw or two to one of my sabers (for a symmetrical look and maybe a bit of reinforcement) and was wondering what the threading, size, and type of set screws are that come installed on a saber are.  I was also thinking of just having a few extra set screws on hand incase I lose one. 

I know the hole has to be drilled smaller than the screw to allow for the proper threading, but I'm not sure how much smaller it should be.  Thanks for any feedback.
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2016, 08:43:31 PM »

All the sabers you have listed in your tag take 8-32 x 1/4 cup point screws.
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RevanReborn
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2016, 02:54:49 AM »

Yep, 8-32's.  You can google a drill/ tap index and it'll show you all the bit/ hole sizes you need- BUT, don't nec just trust it at face value.  It will likely tell you to use a 7/64" bit, which is good if you're tapping through a relatively thin walled area, but IMO if the wall you're tapping has any thickness to it at all you're better off going with a 1/8" hole.  That's plenty of substance to the resulting threads still, and they'll likely turn out WAY cleaner/ better than they do with the smaller starting hole.  The intial threads will turn out a lot better- the tap really has to fight through that smaller hole, and has a tendency to chew up the first threads as it grips/ bites and pulls itslef deeper into the hilt wall, and believe me patience and a gentle touch is the name of the game when it comes to tapping.  DONT FORCE THE TAP, EVER.  It will start to bind/ stick with every little smidge of a turn you manage to get on it at one point- but that's ok!  That's totally normal.  When it binds, just let it- let it stick and just stop moving/ turning altogether, then gently reverse the direction of your turning and unscrew/ back the tap out a bit.  This will allow the debris that the tap cuts from the aluminum to fall out of the hole, unclogging those threads you're working on cutting in, freeing up a little more wiggle room for you to turn the tap in a pinch further this next time.  And you just keep repeating that.  Back the tap out just a tiny fraction of a turn when it sticks, and then go back in again- getting a micropscoic bit further each time.  Takes patience, but you'll get through the whole thing eventually Smiley.  Other than that you just wanna make sure that you keep the tap level, aligned as you turn it in- especially for the beginning- once it gets started it will kinda guide itself in and you don't have to watch that so much. 

The guides/ indexes will also tell you to use crazy nonsense like kerosene and mineral oil as lube, but you really don't need to bother lol.  First of all, a bottle of cutting oil is cheap/ available at any hardware store and works just as well (especially for aluminum its soft)- and I'm honestly not even convinced lubrication really helps with something as soft as aluminum.  I've tapped a ton of screws using oil, a ton without, and I haven't noticed any difference in how easy they were to cut in or how well the turned out really.  Doesn't seem to do much- if anything, ironically, the lube just turns to a paste with all the ground aluminum coming off the tap that's turning in the hole, and holds that debris in there, so the tap will want to bind more- in a dry tap the debris is dust, which will remove from hole easier when you back the tap out a pinch, allowing you to make progress faster. 

It's way easier than it sounds- just DONT FORCE IT, and you'll be golden Smiley.  Also, from experience, 6-32 screws work just as well and have a noticeably smaller visual impact, they're more subtle in a hilt.  Shoot, even 4-40 screws will hold stuff nice and secure (maybe not best for blade tho)- but the smaller the tap, the more important it is to go gentle.  Give the shaft of the tap a death stare as you turn it and watch for the second it starts to bog down, don't even blink as you turn it, you don't want to be turning the tap if the shaft of it is slowing/ stopped moving- it won't take much torque/ flex that way, carbide is super dense/ strong, but not flexible- brittle when bent. 

Hope that helps Smiley
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Aayrick
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2016, 08:11:18 AM »

Thanks to both of you for the information.  Now I know what to look for and will probably get some scrap to practice on before I try to work on one of my sabers 😀
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2016, 03:06:07 PM »

That's a really good idea!  Even just to get used to the way it feels when it's going good, or starting to go bad.  It's really not hard at all, but it's a one or two shot kinda thing, always better when there's no pressure to start Smiley

O it's no prob man- happy to help.  Good luck, MTFBWY.
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2017, 02:46:00 PM »

Isopropyl alcohol (90%+ rubbing alcohol) makes a good lubricant that is easy to clean up.  It's used extensively in the aerospace industry. It'll evaporate after a few minutes and no clean up other than blowing away any debris.

It'll be fine on anything other than painted surfaces
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2017, 11:02:57 PM »

Related question for the experts here:

So say I have a pile of 10-32 set screws, and would like to increase the size of the holes I already have in one or more of sabers from 8-32's to 10-32's.  What would the suggestion be as far as doing this?

I assume I'd basically drill out the already-existing holes and just go at it with the 10-32 tap as if I were making a new hole.  But that's my guess.

Experts?  Anyone?
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2017, 01:58:59 AM »

It's how I repaired the stripped screwhole on my Standard Issue. Drilled it out, re-tapped for 10-32, and popped the new set screw in place.
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