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Author Topic: "There is always a bit of truth in legends"  (Read 6089 times)
Darth Knox
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« on: January 29, 2017, 11:33:54 PM »

So, we all know that when Disney bought the franchise the made pretty much everything in the expanded universe (bar one or two things) non-canon, renaming it Legends.

Those hardcore faithful who read the new books and comics and follow Star Wars Rebels know that Disney/Lucasfilm have slowly been cherry picking things from Legends to reintroduce into official canon. My question is this: what in Legends would you like to see become official canon? (This could be a character, an item, a planet etc).

Please Note: - Everyone has different levels of knowledge about stuff in Legends, so feel free to offer a little bit of background as to your choices to put it into context for everyone (either with links to stsrwars.wikia or even youtube videos). Also, let's try not to let the conversation disintegrate into petty one upmanship. We're all friends here.

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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2017, 12:31:04 AM »

The first things that came to mind when I read this are Siri, and Xanatos. I am sure there are other things out there, but I always liked those two characters.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2017, 01:20:04 AM »

Banes full story. That trilogy of books were some of the best SW books I ever read. I love the way Bane went from nothing to being the single handed destroyer of the Sith order at the time. Also the story of Darth Zannah was quite intriguing and it would have been nice to continue her story after her defeat of Darth Bane.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Bane/Legends
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2017, 03:27:00 AM »

her defeat of Darth Bane.

You think she beat him?
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2017, 03:28:59 AM »

You think she beat him?
I believe she beat him enough for her to retain her consciousness. In the end he went for the hail mary with the essence transfer but I don't believe he managed to do a full transfer. Just MHO though.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2017, 03:39:52 AM »

I believe she beat him enough for her to retain her consciousness. In the end he went for the hail mary with the essence transfer but I don't believe he managed to do a full transfer. Just MHO though.

We'll never know.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2017, 03:41:17 AM »

We'll never know.

And it eats at me, not knowing. Haha. But that's, I guess, another reason I loved it so much. It allowed the reader to either end or carry on Darth Bane in their own thoughts.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2017, 03:51:42 AM »

And it eats at me, not knowing. Haha. But that's, I guess, another reason I loved it so much. It allowed the reader to either end or carry on Darth Bane in their own thoughts.

Yes it does. I personally like to hope that it's Bane, and he went on to find a more suitable body.
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2017, 04:08:47 AM »

Hate to burst ya'lls bubbles but we do know who won...Zannah.  The author himself said as much.

http://www.drewkarpyshyn.com/spoiler.htm
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2017, 04:17:13 AM »

Hate to burst ya'lls bubbles but we do know who won...Zannah.  The author himself said as much.

http://www.drewkarpyshyn.com/spoiler.htm


Unfortunately I can't get the link to work or copy and paste on my phone. I will however trust your word. Still a great trilogy and story of his life though.
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2017, 04:21:51 AM »

Unfortunately I can't get the link to work or copy and paste on my phone. I will however trust your word. Still a great trilogy and story of his life though.


Here...

   "You might think this is strange – an author “spoiling” his own work. But the truth is, I never intended this to cause so much confusion out there. I knew that no matter who won, Bane or Zannah, I would have people angry at me. But I didn’t want to take the easy way out and dodge the question. I wanted to provide a definitive answer… and I thought I did. Yet some readers are still confused, and I feel I owe it to them to provide that closure (even though I know some of them will be angry at me for killing off their personal favorite).
 
So, who won the final confrontation between Bane and Zannah?
 
I’ll be honest; I thought it was pretty clear in my writing. I wrote the scene from Cognus’s point of view to keep you guessing to the last instant, but when Zannah proclaims “Darth Bane is gone. I am Darth Zannah, Dark Lord of the Sith and your new Master,” I thought it would be pretty clear.
 
The whole thing with Zannah’s hand twitching was only to show that some part of Bane had passed through to her. How much – was he still “alive” in some way, or is it just a small part of his identity imprinted on her – was supposed to be the ambiguous part. But I never wanted people to assume Bane had taken over Zannah’s body successfully.
 
Still, some people interpreted the scene that way. I guess I can see it, but you’re making a lot of assumptions to come to that conclusion. First, Zannah is asking Cognus questions that Bane already knows the answer to. Yes, it could be part of “tricking” Cognus, but that assumes Bane would *want* to trick Cognus. And I honestly don’t know where people get that impression from. Bane WANTED a stronger successor to overthrow him; the only reason he learned the ritual was because he needed to prolong his life if Zannah proved to be weak. Yet somehow people made the jump that Bane not only took over Zannah’s body, but was then hiding the fact from Cognus in order to later take over her body… possibly in a line all the way down to Sidious himself. (That is NOT what I was trying to imply, but a lot of readers went there.)
 
I’m not sure where this all comes from; I don’t think Bane I ever portrayed Bane as someone who wanted to hide in the dark and steal the fresh bodies of his unsuspecting apprentices so he could live forever even if he didn’t deserve it. That would kind of go against everything I built up about him through the three novels.
 
The second odd assumption you have to make to think Bane destroyed Zannah is to assume that you are dealing with an unreliable narrator. Once Zannah identifies herself, I refer to her as “her” and “Zannah” throughout the scene. To believe Bane took over, you have to assume that I am intentionally misleading you throughout that scene for a cheap GOTCHA moment at the end. But I’ve never done that in any of the previous Bane novels. The narrator has always played fair with the reader, and I think it would be unfair to suddenly change that in the last few pages of a trilogy. Unfortunately, “twist” endings have become so prevalent recently that I think people assume narrators are unreliable now by default; the narrative paradigm has been flipped on its head. (I blame M. Night Shyamalan.)
 
I realize this is my fault, of course. My writing is usually very straight ahead; I tend to eschew ambiguity because it leads to misinterpretation. I am usually very explicit about my characters and my authorial intent. In this case I wanted to introduce just a hint of subtlety about how much of Bane survived, but in doing so I did something readers were unfamiliar with, so I can’t really be surprised it through them for a loop.
 
So, there it is. Zannah won – Bane tried to possess her and failed. But he wasn’t *completely* destroyed… though how much of him remains is something I’m going to leave open for now."
 
 
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2017, 04:25:28 AM »

Hate to burst ya'lls bubbles but we do know who won...Zannah.  The author himself said as much.

http://www.drewkarpyshyn.com/spoiler.htm


I've never heard that, thanks for clarifying.
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2017, 05:24:21 AM »


Here...

   "You might think this is strange – an author “spoiling” his own work. But the truth is, I never intended this to cause so much confusion out there. I knew that no matter who won, Bane or Zannah, I would have people angry at me. But I didn’t want to take the easy way out and dodge the question. I wanted to provide a definitive answer… and I thought I did. Yet some readers are still confused, and I feel I owe it to them to provide that closure (even though I know some of them will be angry at me for killing off their personal favorite).
 
So, who won the final confrontation between Bane and Zannah?
 
I’ll be honest; I thought it was pretty clear in my writing. I wrote the scene from Cognus’s point of view to keep you guessing to the last instant, but when Zannah proclaims “Darth Bane is gone. I am Darth Zannah, Dark Lord of the Sith and your new Master,” I thought it would be pretty clear.
 
The whole thing with Zannah’s hand twitching was only to show that some part of Bane had passed through to her. How much – was he still “alive” in some way, or is it just a small part of his identity imprinted on her – was supposed to be the ambiguous part. But I never wanted people to assume Bane had taken over Zannah’s body successfully.
 
Still, some people interpreted the scene that way. I guess I can see it, but you’re making a lot of assumptions to come to that conclusion. First, Zannah is asking Cognus questions that Bane already knows the answer to. Yes, it could be part of “tricking” Cognus, but that assumes Bane would *want* to trick Cognus. And I honestly don’t know where people get that impression from. Bane WANTED a stronger successor to overthrow him; the only reason he learned the ritual was because he needed to prolong his life if Zannah proved to be weak. Yet somehow people made the jump that Bane not only took over Zannah’s body, but was then hiding the fact from Cognus in order to later take over her body… possibly in a line all the way down to Sidious himself. (That is NOT what I was trying to imply, but a lot of readers went there.)
 
I’m not sure where this all comes from; I don’t think Bane I ever portrayed Bane as someone who wanted to hide in the dark and steal the fresh bodies of his unsuspecting apprentices so he could live forever even if he didn’t deserve it. That would kind of go against everything I built up about him through the three novels.
 
The second odd assumption you have to make to think Bane destroyed Zannah is to assume that you are dealing with an unreliable narrator. Once Zannah identifies herself, I refer to her as “her” and “Zannah” throughout the scene. To believe Bane took over, you have to assume that I am intentionally misleading you throughout that scene for a cheap GOTCHA moment at the end. But I’ve never done that in any of the previous Bane novels. The narrator has always played fair with the reader, and I think it would be unfair to suddenly change that in the last few pages of a trilogy. Unfortunately, “twist” endings have become so prevalent recently that I think people assume narrators are unreliable now by default; the narrative paradigm has been flipped on its head. (I blame M. Night Shyamalan.)
 
I realize this is my fault, of course. My writing is usually very straight ahead; I tend to eschew ambiguity because it leads to misinterpretation. I am usually very explicit about my characters and my authorial intent. In this case I wanted to introduce just a hint of subtlety about how much of Bane survived, but in doing so I did something readers were unfamiliar with, so I can’t really be surprised it through them for a loop.
 
So, there it is. Zannah won – Bane tried to possess her and failed. But he wasn’t *completely* destroyed… though how much of him remains is something I’m going to leave open for now."

So I guess my initial guess was correct.
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2017, 04:47:59 PM »

Just Old Republic stuff for me.  Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2017, 04:48:54 PM »

Just Old Republic stuff for me.  Smiley
Which Old Republic stuff though? That spans thousands of years
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