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« Reply #345 on: July 11, 2018, 12:21:49 AM »

LSG, Dutchman, do you think we could convince them to let us proof-read the next script and punch holes in it?  I think we could tighten their story up considerably....
Yeah amongst having time to go to a casino and break out racing animals whilst said fleet was being chased - plus they need 'fuel' which as I understood most ships would've been using battery drives or fusion reactor...and the First Order didn't seem to notice they were in a system with a PLANET...didn't think to send a force to occupy it...didn't micro jump ahead of the Rebels to trap them (most obvious thing!), set an interdictor, or most logically even if the Capital ships can't cover the fighters WHO CARES send every fighter you have to bring it down, if you lose 50% you still beat the rebels once and for all!!

There were good bits though, Rey/Kylo arc was good the rest was just....irritating because a focus group with 5 fans could've fixed it so easily...

Eggh we should've written it for them....
Maybe we could send them a link to the Wookiepedia at least....   
OMG you both are SO right...

Again, I feel like this illustrates EXACTLY what I've said before and continue to maintain: our continuity experiment IS much, MUCH, MUCH better than what's being released; seriously, these stories (from the Aethans, to the Mak'Tor, to Rowahn, and the Templars) are SUPERIOR to Episodes VII, VIII, Solo, and Rogue One (although I thought that the last two were decent and good, respectively).
Take the latest collaboration (for example), "What You Leave Behind:" there are twists, turns, pathos, achievements, happiness, hate...EVERYTHING that SW has meant for me since I first saw Ep.4 as a kid!  Remarkable work, gentlemen.  Speaking of...

Dammit Karm!  You can't keep doing that!  Leaving us on such a stupendous cliffhanger!  It...it's just not...fair...or right!  In fact, it reminds me of this one story that involves a wizard, a sword, several different races all fighting disparately for a cause.  BUT the most INCREDIBLE thing wa--











How's THAT for a taste of your own medicine! Grin

Just joking, of course
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« Reply #346 on: July 19, 2018, 01:05:18 PM »

Coruscant
The region of "Tor"
The Thirteen Nations

En'Ri'Cam grunted in exertion as she followed A'Dam'Mack up the side of the hill.  "C'mon, Enri!  Its right up here..."

"You sure?  We're a long way out..."  She looked back out and down on the city below.  The old folks still told stories about the old days, when the land was covered with green meadows and forests as far as the eye could see.  Now, since the Gree, the Petraxi Metro had started growing by leaps and bounds, spreading both outward and upward.  Even here, half-way up the Sacred Tor, she was not quite as high as the highest new towers.  "Adam, I think we should go back.  The elders..."

"The elders are determined to fight, Enri.  The only way we can stop them is to prove there's a Hawk Bat up here preying on the herds." Adam stopped his own climb and turned, looking back out over the vale and the spreading, towering Petraxi Metro area.  "Wow, its grown since my last trip to the Shrine..."

Enri took a long drink of water laced with electrolites and let her body recover a bit from the climb.  "Adam, we're going to get in trouble.  I know technically our clans are still friends, but the Warriors have been gathered and the drums are beating.  Everything points to war, and soon.  If your elders or mine knew we were together..." 

"They'd suspect us of being in love." Adam finished for her, his blue eyes twinkling.  "Shocker..."

Enri scowled at him.  "A'Dam'Mack, you are incorrigible!  You know very well that they'd be suspicious of us at best!  No one would care about ..."

Adam, eyes twinkling with mirth, stepped down to Enri, scooped her up and planted a kiss on her lips.  Her protest died as she responded, turning the quick peck into a prolonged engagement.

She was breathless when he set her down.  "Hush, girl.  We have a mission."

"Girl?  I'm seventeen ... and you're only nineteen!  You have no right to..."

He laid his finger on her lips, again silencing her.  "C'mon, we still have a ways to go."  His smile was brilliant as he turned away and again headed up the mountain.

"Damn stubborn Mack..." Enri muttered under her breath, but there was no venom, and her own eyes were bright as she followed her fiance up the side of the Tor.

*********

"There it is..."  Enri pointed, lowering her binocs.   "Not very far from the Sacred Shrine, either."

Adam nodded.  "That would explain why no one's seen them before.  Only the Master Singers ever come up here, and they stay on the Sacred Pathways."  He rolled over and looked at her.  "Get a picture of her, will you?  That has to be the biggest Hawk-Bat I've ever seen."

Enri nodded and pulled out her scroll, focusing the imager on the huge female Hawk-Bat sitting in the open cave mouth.  "Say cheese..."    She captured a few images and examined them, zooming in on her device.  "Um, Adam..."  She held the scroll out for him to see. 

Adam's forehead crinkled in the way she loved as he examined it.  "Is she sitting on a kill?"  He let out a low whistle.  Normal Hawk-Bats were about a meter or so in height.  A sheep was generally to big for any one to prey on and even a flock of them wouldn't take one very often - and not without leaving evidence behind.  When whole herds disappeared in a matter of days along the Clan boundary below the Tor it had been investigated and the natural assumption was that one clan was raiding the other.  That BOTH clans had taken losses hadn't really occurred to the thick-headed elders...

Instead both the Cam and Mack had posted guards, armed shepherds to watch over the flocks ranging the lower Tor hillside.  And when the shepherds disappeared with the sheep, the drums of war had begun to beat.  As far as Enri and Adam could tell, they were the ONLY members of their respective clans who had bothered to talk to someone from the other clan and compare notes.

Enri watched Adam check his binocs again.  "That ... dragon ... had to be nearly five meters tall..."   She felt her pulse quicken as she read his intent.  He still intends to kill it and drag it back down the mountain...  "Good thing I've been training with the Sentinels."

"You still want to do this?"

"Yeah.  I think we'll have to settle for pictures, though.  I don't know how we'd get that thing down the hill."

Enri snorted.  "Glad to hear it."

Adam dropped his binocs and grinned at her.  "Grab your gun, my love.  Its time to kill a dragon."

******

They managed to creep to within a few dozen meters of the creature, though Enri couldn't figure how they did it.  She heard Adam's nervous humming, a tune she felt like she recognized but couldn't quite hear all of, parts of it floating just out of reach, actualized under his breath...

She sensed more than saw the gesture of his hand, signalling her to stop and cover.  She froze, then slowly brought her rifle up to her shoulder.  The old slug-thrower was a comfortable friend snuggled into her shoulder, the head of the creature filling her sight.

Adam never stopped, advancing steadily, confidently, his eyes locked on the 'dragon' Hawk-Bat.  As he closed his steps were slow and steady, his hand flexed on the handle of his katana, the blade still in its sheath.

The Hawk-Bat fixed him with its gaze, green eyes boring into blue...  Enri felt her pulse hammering, the tension rising as her body betrayed her ... and her aim.  Then she heard the tendrils of song again, weaving through her mind, calming her hammering pulse and steadying her trembling hands... 

Her eyes went wide.  Adam's a singer!   She wanted to stare at him, but purple-gray markings filled her sight and she re-focused on her target, holding steady on the massive head.  Be careful, Adam!

Adam felt the brush of her concern, her love, and her worry and he felt the corner of his mouth tug upward with it.  His song wrapped around the massive Hawk-Bat, keeping it calm and still as he stepped ever closer.  Now that he was here, only three meters away, the evidence of the massive creatures predation were obvious.  Dozens of rotting skins and bone piles were scattered about, decomposing rapidly, the edible flesh stripped from bone and sinew, the skins stripped off and neatly stacked in their own separate pile...

Three more steps... he told himself, continuing his slow advance.  Two...

One...

Adam felt the song wrap around him, a sudden crescendo and shift in tempo enveloping him.  Quick as lighting his hand withdrew the blade on his hip, moving effortlessly into a long, arching slash...

The Hawk-Bat, lulled by his long calming song, was sluggish to react to his sudden movement.  It still came within centimeters of saving itself, rearing back and away from his attack ... but to late.  His razor-sharp blade caught the Hawk-Bat in the neck, slicing through effortlessly.  The head fell, a fountain of blood erupting as the body began to convulse and thrash.  Adam was struck by the creatures frenzied wings, claws ripping across his chest, legs, arms, back...

"Adam!" Enri sprang forward, slinging her rifle.  The Hawk-Bat was still by the time she arrived and she pushed the dead creature off of Adam.  The dark purple blood of the dragon stained everything, but it was rapidly being joined by Adam's own bright-red flows.  "Why did you do that?  It could have killed you!"

"But ... it ... didn't ..." Adam replied, groaning as Enri sat him up and started binding his wounds.  "And this was safer in the end ...  arghh....." 

"Safer!  You just wanted to have a good story to tell, you idiot!" She bent over and kissed him.  "Now lay still and try not to bleed to death while I get some pictures."  She took out her scroll and started snapping shots of the massive nest.  "Stubborn Mack..."

******

Enri didn't get back to their meeting place, high up on the trail up the Tor, until two nights later.  She half expected to find him waiting, but it was well after midnight before she saw Adam limping toward her.  His shoulders were slumped in pain and defeat, the tracks of dried tears on his cheeks standing out in the pale moonlight.  "Enri..."   

The pain and sorrow in his voice broke her heart and she hugged him tight, pulling his head down on her shoulder.  His breath was hot on her neck as silent sobs shook his strong shoulders.  "Its ok...  We did all we could.  Shhhhh."

After a long time he straightened and stepped back.  "Thank you,  my love.  Yes, we tried..."  He looked back down into the valley, the sounds of armored units and heavy transports already filtering up from the Cam and Mack clan enclaves, headed for the inevitable clash of arms.  "Stupidity!  Pride!  Stubborn 'clan honor'!  Killing each other over a few dozen sheep!"

Enri snaked her arm around his waist as he pulled her close.  "I love you, A'Dam'Mack..."

"And I love you, En'Ri'Cam." Adam looked up the hill.  "Old Master To'Mas'Xandir is up in the Shrine.  Marry me, tonight?"

Enri looked up at him and a sad smile played on her lips.  "Yes.  Yes!  Maybe we can be an example for ... after ..."

Adam smiled at her, kissed her softly on the forehead.  "Exactly. For after."  He looked back down at the valley as the first explosions rocked the city.  "Maker damned stubborn Macks...   I hope its enough..."
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« Reply #347 on: July 20, 2018, 06:38:36 AM »

I liked the kind of fairy tale feel of this, the epic quest and star crossed lovers.  Having said that I think it missed a certain something, I feel like it needed more voices...like a scene where A'Dam and En'ri each go back after killing the Hawk to their Clan Chiefs or something to show off the evidence but get shouted down (or they insist the other side lured the beast there) it would've really added to the 'stubbornness' theme its hinted at but actually seeing it would've been better.
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« Reply #348 on: July 20, 2018, 06:19:02 AM »

I liked the kind of fairy tale feel of this, the epic quest and star crossed lovers.  Having said that I think it missed a certain something, I feel like it needed more voices...like a scene where A'Dam and En'ri each go back after killing the Hawk to their Clan Chiefs or something to show off the evidence but get shouted down (or they insist the other side lured the beast there) it would've really added to the 'stubbornness' theme its hinted at but actually seeing it would've been better.

Agree, but I was running out of time.  :-)
Maybe I can expand this....     

Y'know, on a side note, there's not hardly any information about Coruscant from before it became the ecumenopolis we all know and love....
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« Reply #349 on: July 20, 2018, 09:39:40 PM »

Agree, but I was running out of time.  :-)
Maybe I can expand this....     

Y'know, on a side note, there's not hardly any information about Coruscant from before it became the ecumenopolis we all know and love....

All that history must be buried beneath the foundations. definitely would like to see more I like the setting how they obviously have technologies yet still fights over here's and live in clans plus a secret marriage of warring clans has a lot of potential... Montague and Capulet....with a Star Wars and Mak'tor twist...
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« Reply #350 on: July 20, 2018, 03:40:45 PM »

Yeah, I don't think I quite appreciated it when I wrote it initially.  More coming, in time.  :-)
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« Reply #351 on: July 21, 2018, 03:21:13 PM »

One of the BEST parts of the setting is a pre-ecumenopolis Coruscant, one that I think allows for a plethora of possibilities.  Now: add in the pre-Mak'Tor ancestors and you've made a winning, compelling narrative that begs to be told  Smiley

I liked the kind of fairy tale feel of this, the epic quest and star crossed lovers.  Having said that I think it missed a certain something, I feel like it needed more voices...like a scene where A'Dam and En'ri each go back after killing the Hawk to their Clan Chiefs or something to show off the evidence but get shouted down (or they insist the other side lured the beast there) it would've really added to the 'stubbornness' theme its hinted at but actually seeing it would've been better.
Oddly enough, I took the "lack of voices" as an opportunity for the subtext to convey the story: VERY much like the Montagues and the Capulets, these two have found something greater than their respective clans' antipathy, both in each other as well as an outside catalyst: the Hawk-bat that can be one of the two motivators to open dialogue on both sides: the drive for survival and, appropriately, love.

...Let's just hope that our SW "Romeo" and "Juliet" don't follow Shakespeare's tragedy too closely  Wink
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« Reply #352 on: August 05, 2018, 06:46:10 AM »

Yeah.  :-)

This actually springs from something that was bothering me (something ELSE) when I watched The Last Jedi.  Everyone was freaking out about the First Order being able to track them through hyperspace.  They built an entire plot line around disabling the device they were using (though they never really got there) and implied that it was some kind of bulky, new, advanced tech.

But does anyone else remember Episode 2?  Obi Wan throwing a HYPERSPACE TRACKING DEVICE at Slave 1.  One small enough to fit into a POCKET?  Smaller than a baseball?  And then tracking that THROUGH HYPERSPACE from HIS FIGHTER?Huh?

Yeah.  I thought you would remember that...

But then that got me thinking: How might you apply something like that during a space battle?  And the answer: Buzz Droids.   Which the Zann Consortium uses in abundance. 

So, mystery solved, but still good to know.  :-)  And it shows once again just how weak the storytelling in TLJ really was...   *sigh*

LSG, Dutchman, do you think we could convince them to let us proof-read the next script and punch holes in it?  I think we could tighten their story up considerably....

First off, great Interludes everyone. Loved the early Coruscant one. That was awesome to see (plus dragons are my all time favorite mythical creatures).

Secondly, as to the hyperspace tracking. Yes. It has been done before. Obi-Wan did place a tracker and follow it. However, in TLJ, there was no tracker. The FO had never placed a tracker, and where instead tracking the signature of the Raddus. As such, the thought of hyperspace tracking without a tracker was unheard of (not really, cus it was mentioned in R1, but it had never been perfected). When I first watched TLJ, that was one of the problems I had with it, but after thinking about it a bit, I understood why it worked the way it did, and wasn't disappointed in that aspect of the movie. There are other things that I have problems with in TLJ, but the Hyperspace tracking is not one of them. The fuel thing. . . well, that's a different story. Grin

Yeah or make them watch the movies this is meant to follow on from more closely (maybe they can ignore E1 midi chlorian bit though...)

As to the Midi-Chlorian thing, if you go and read up on the behind the scenes of them, you will learn that they were something Lucas had planned to do from day 1. He just didn't have time to adequately explain them in ANH, ESB or ROTJ.

A direct quote from Wookieepedia in the Midi-Chlorian page:
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A misconception exists that rather than being indicators, midi-chlorians actually are the Force or create it; there is no canonical basis for this belief. Steve Perry, who used midi-chlorians in his 2007 Star Wars Legends novel Death Star, opined that they were "less than inspired." George Lucas, on the other hand, considers the two aspects of the Force separately, treating the midi-chlorians as the practical, biological side, distinct from the spiritual and metaphysical side of the Force.
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« Reply #353 on: August 05, 2018, 04:42:04 AM »

First off, great Interludes everyone. Loved the early Coruscant one. That was awesome to see (plus dragons are my all time favorite mythical creatures).

Secondly, as to the hyperspace tracking. Yes. It has been done before. Obi-Wan did place a tracker and follow it. However, in TLJ, there was no tracker. The FO had never placed a tracker, and where instead tracking the signature of the Raddus. As such, the thought of hyperspace tracking without a tracker was unheard of (not really, cus it was mentioned in R1, but it had never been perfected). When I first watched TLJ, that was one of the problems I had with it, but after thinking about it a bit, I understood why it worked the way it did, and wasn't disappointed in that aspect of the movie. There are other things that I have problems with in TLJ, but the Hyperspace tracking is not one of them. The fuel thing. . . well, that's a different story. Grin

As to the Midi-Chlorian thing, if you go and read up on the behind the scenes of them, you will learn that they were something Lucas had planned to do from day 1. He just didn't have time to adequately explain them in ANH, ESB or ROTJ.

Good points, but I think the issue is you shouldn't have to look up such basics things on wookipedia - the average viewer was just like WTF Midi what, why on earth can't these people track ships anymore!  Especially the Midi chlorians, it was just such a huge shake up to a 20+year old Canon the average fan had in their mind that even if it was the original intent it was never going to work or be accepted - the Story and the concept of the Force had a life of its own by then - horse had bolted - it might not be Lucas original vision but I think unintentionally it was a a good thing - had the original trilogy featured midi-chlorians and whills i reckon it would've been dramatically less popular (to say nothing of the apparent intent to involve the microscopic world of the whills in the sequel trilogy, THAT would've been Epic Fail to top them all IMHO), and yeah you can retcon somethings, but that was a step too far.  Still an interesting little part of Star Wars history thanks for bringing it up TR!
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« Reply #354 on: August 05, 2018, 04:38:08 PM »

Good points, but I think the issue is you shouldn't have to look up such basics things on wookipedia - the average viewer was just like WTF Midi what, why on earth can't these people track ships anymore!  Especially the Midi chlorians, it was just such a huge shake up to a 20+year old Canon the average fan had in their mind that even if it was the original intent it was never going to work or be accepted - the Story and the concept of the Force had a life of its own by then - horse had bolted - it might not be Lucas original vision but I think unintentionally it was a a good thing - had the original trilogy featured midi-chlorians and whills i reckon it would've been dramatically less popular (to say nothing of the apparent intent to involve the microscopic world of the whills in the sequel trilogy, THAT would've been Epic Fail to top them all IMHO), and yeah you can retcon somethings, but that was a step too far.  Still an interesting little part of Star Wars history thanks for bringing it up TR!

No problem. I was mostly going to Wookieepedia to show that I had some credibility in my statement, and it wasn't just me saying something. I also understand what you are saying, and honestly, I don't disagree.  And for the record, I didn't have to look up the tracking thing. I just had to think. Wink Cheesy
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« Reply #355 on: August 06, 2018, 02:02:27 PM »

Point TR.  I yield the point on the tracking, but I will stick to my view that the whole Finn sub-plot on Canto Bite and such was poor storytelling, a contrived situation that didn't really fit into the rest of the plotline or into SW tech as we generally understand it just to give Finn and whats-her-name something to do.

And Lucas can say what he wants about force parasites being in the mix all along.  If that were really the case he should have shared that detail with the novelists who did the original novelizations of the movies.  Or but it in the writing bible anytime in the 20+ years between ANH and TPM.  But it never showed up until Qui Gon Jinn uttered his lines.  :-/   

Besides, Midi-Clorians don't sing...   LOL
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« Reply #356 on: August 07, 2018, 07:17:56 AM »

Point TR.  I yield the point on the tracking, but I will stick to my view that the whole Finn sub-plot on Canto Bite and such was poor storytelling, a contrived situation that didn't really fit into the rest of the plotline or into SW tech as we generally understand it just to give Finn and whats-her-name something to do.

And Lucas can say what he wants about force parasites being in the mix all along.  If that were really the case he should have shared that detail with the novelists who did the original novelizations of the movies.  Or but it in the writing bible anytime in the 20+ years between ANH and TPM.  But it never showed up until Qui Gon Jinn uttered his lines.  :-/   

Besides, Midi-Clorians don't sing...   LOL

Agreed on the Finn/Rose plot. That was an utter waste of time. Plus, they only had 6 hours to fly to Canto Bite, land, find the Master Codebreaker (a seriously sad name BTW), get thrown in jail, escape, free the donkeydogs, get off the planet, fly back to the where the ships were (and how did they know the exact location after 6 hours of being away). All in 6 hours? I don't think so. It has never been implied or shown that hyperspace travel doesn't take any time (just because you are going faster than light doesn't mean time isn't involved). So yes, I get your frustration with that story arc. I have the same frustrations.

And once again, agreed. Midi-Chlorians don't sing. But this is how I look at it. Midi-Chlorians are to explain the aspects of the Force that science CAN explain. The rest of the Force CANNOT be explained by science. It is still mystical and magical (or depending if you are Mak'Tor or not, something from the Maker [God]).
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« Reply #357 on: August 07, 2018, 05:58:47 AM »

I always understood the force to be mystical, in the truest Star Wars canon.  IMHO midiclorines were a very ham-fisted attempt to try to quell the critics of Star Wars that consistently attacked it as being "Easter Religious Mumbo-Jumbo".  Having come from a home where this was indeed said (though we watched and enjoyed the movies anyway!  Imagine that...) and having grown up and done quite a bit of comparative religious study myself I feel it is safe to say that much of the Jedi (and Sith) philosophies are grounded in religious beliefs from the Far East.   

So what?  Its a story-telling vehicle!

But I suspect that Lucas came up with the midichlorines (how DO you spell that?Huh?) at least in part to try to explain, non-mystically, where the force came from.  Not that it really helps.  Ok, so I can feel/manipulate the force because I have a higher concentration of these critters.   Why do THEY feel it?Huh   

Yeah.  Doesn't work.  But it gave the writers of The Phantom Menace a handy-dandy way to tell the audience that Anakin was strong with the force without having to show us.

Which is, again, bad storytelling, btw.   Obi Wan never checked Luke's blood for the critters.  Never even mentioned them.  Yet we understood that Luke was strong in the force, just as Obi Wan was. 

Show, not tell.

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« Reply #358 on: August 07, 2018, 04:38:04 PM »

Good points, but I think the issue is you shouldn't have to look up such basics things on wookipedia - the average viewer was just like WTF Midi what, why on earth can't these people track ships anymore!  Especially the Midi chlorians, it was just such a huge shake up to a 20+year old Canon the average fan had in their mind that even if it was the original intent it was never going to work or be accepted - the Story and the concept of the Force had a life of its own by then - horse had bolted - it might not be Lucas original vision but I think unintentionally it was a a good thing - had the original trilogy featured midi-chlorians and whills i reckon it would've been dramatically less popular (to say nothing of the apparent intent to involve the microscopic world of the whills in the sequel trilogy, THAT would've been Epic Fail to top them all IMHO), and yeah you can retcon somethings, but that was a step too far.  Still an interesting little part of Star Wars history thanks for bringing it up TR!
Agreed on the Finn/Rose plot. That was an utter waste of time. Plus, they only had 6 hours to fly to Canto Bite, land, find the Master Codebreaker (a seriously sad name BTW), get thrown in jail, escape, free the donkeydogs, get off the planet, fly back to the where the ships were (and how did they know the exact location after 6 hours of being away). All in 6 hours? I don't think so. It has never been implied or shown that hyperspace travel doesn't take any time (just because you are going faster than light doesn't mean time isn't involved). So yes, I get your frustration with that story arc. I have the same frustrations.

And once again, agreed. Midi-Chlorians don't sing. But this is how I look at it. Midi-Chlorians are to explain the aspects of the Force that science CAN explain. The rest of the Force CANNOT be explained by science. It is still mystical and magical (or depending if you are Mak'Tor or not, something from the Maker [God]).
I always understood the force to be mystical, in the truest Star Wars canon.  IMHO midiclorines were a very ham-fisted attempt to try to quell the critics of Star Wars that consistently attacked it as being "Easter Religious Mumbo-Jumbo".  Having come from a home where this was indeed said (though we watched and enjoyed the movies anyway!  Imagine that...) and having grown up and done quite a bit of comparative religious study myself I feel it is safe to say that much of the Jedi (and Sith) philosophies are grounded in religious beliefs from the Far East.   

So what?  Its a story-telling vehicle!

But I suspect that Lucas came up with the midichlorines (how DO you spell that?Huh?) at least in part to try to explain, non-mystically, where the force came from.  Not that it really helps.  Ok, so I can feel/manipulate the force because I have a higher concentration of these critters.   Why do THEY feel it?Huh   

Yeah.  Doesn't work.  But it gave the writers of The Phantom Menace a handy-dandy way to tell the audience that Anakin was strong with the force without having to show us.

Which is, again, bad storytelling, btw.   Obi Wan never checked Luke's blood for the critters.  Never even mentioned them.  Yet we understood that Luke was strong in the force, just as Obi Wan was. 

Show, not tell.


You all have the right of it IMHO.

Well said  Smiley
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« Reply #359 on: August 07, 2018, 10:56:09 PM »

But I suspect that Lucas came up with the midichlorines (how DO you spell that?Huh?) at least in part to try to explain, non-mystically, where the force came from.  Not that it really helps.  Ok, so I can feel/manipulate the force because I have a higher concentration of these critters.   Why do THEY feel it?Huh   

Nailed it Karm!

It made an infinite regression paradox -why do midi chlorians feel the force - Oh that's easy its cause midi chlorines talk to magical Whills who tell them to use the force!  where did the whills get the force from...ummm...Ultra mini -midi chlorians of course!!!! where did they get it from?

There was IMHO no need for a non mystical explanation for the force - Obi-Wan already gave it - an energy field created by all living things - Yoda added to to - 'feel the force around you - the rock the ship etc.' its like cosmic background radiation, a property of existence a realm in which the soul exists 'luminous beings are we not this crude matter'  It was just utterly unnecessary and confusing.

The greatest bit about the Force in the original trilogy was it was all encompassing, as Karm mentioned it had more 'eastern' Taoist/Chi (or even older western 'wyrd' or duridic natural energy which is what i explore in my stories - the Aethans relate to it with a very earthy and carnal connection and are much like Celtic tribe with the Guardian their Druids) kind of feel which was accessible to everyone, some just happen to be more intune with it, by training or design just as some people in ancient times might be said to be born 'touched by the gods' or with the 'second sight' (which in turn was often hereditary hence skywalker blood). the Midi Chlorian concept upset people because it messed about with this.

I think this goes to a reality of story telling - once you publish to an audience that story is not 'yours' any more - the characters, the events are now the audiences as much as your own - and they will understand it in different ways than you do whether you like it or not.  Even if it was Lucas vision you can't force an opinion or Canon on your readers unless they enjoy it, and yes he may have wanted a science explanation for the force but yeah not going to work when you've had 25 years of EU development without it. 
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