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Author Topic: The Sith/The Dark Side: Can They Be a Force For Good?  (Read 644 times)
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« on: July 02, 2018, 03:34:43 PM »

Title is kinda self-explanatory:

Can users of the Dark Side of the Force be good, or a force for good, in any other way than the fact they spur on the "good guys" like the Jedi to fight?

I know the Sith are the, "bad guys" in the Star Wars universe, but, all my life, since people have told me I give off huge Dark Side vibes, even though I strongly believe in fairness and justice, I've had this question rattling around in the back of my head.

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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2018, 03:42:34 PM »

Technically yes. There are many people who do the right thing for the wrong reasons. What truly makes a Sith a Sith (and I'm sure Logos will tell me I'm wrong), is not their desire to destroy or kill everything that stands in their way (though many do wan to do that), but rather it is that for all their power, they only want more FOR THEMSELVES. They are selfish, so they can do the right thing (be a force for good), but it is almost exclusively if it lines up with what they want.

There can be exceptions (Logos is one many times, wanting to return SW to it's original glory, though again, it is because he wants it like that. It has nothing to do with the fact that other people want it like that too).
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2018, 06:23:00 PM »

Title is kinda self-explanatory:

Can users of the Dark Side of the Force be good, or a force for good, in any other way than the fact they spur on the "good guys" like the Jedi to fight?

I know the Sith are the, "bad guys" in the Star Wars universe, but, all my life, since people have told me I give off huge Dark Side vibes, even though I strongly believe in fairness and justice, I've had this question rattling around in the back of my head.

DISCUSS!
Oh I HIGHLY recommend that anyone interested in this subject check out stories in the FanFiction section written by (in no particular order) Lord_S_Gray, Taegin Roan, and TheDrunkenConsular as they feature characters that are, if not outright Sith or Darksiders, then they exhibit Dark side tendencies in pursuit of justice or a greater collective goal than selfishness.

Seriously, check them out!
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2018, 08:40:55 PM »

Oh I HIGHLY recommend that anyone interested in this subject check out stories in the FanFiction section written by (in no particular order) Lord_S_Gray, Taegin Roan, and TheDrunkenConsular as they feature characters that are, if not outright Sith or Darksiders, then they exhibit Dark side tendencies in pursuit of justice or a greater collective goal than selfishness.

Seriously, check them out!

And if you want an excellent taste of the Gray Jedi read the stories by TheDutchman and Karmack. Wink
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2018, 09:11:16 AM »

Oh I HIGHLY recommend that anyone interested in this subject check out stories in the FanFiction section written by (in no particular order) Lord_S_Gray, Taegin Roan, and TheDrunkenConsular as they feature characters that are, if not outright Sith or Darksiders, then they exhibit Dark side tendencies in pursuit of justice or a greater collective goal than selfishness.

Seriously, check them out!

Dutchman referred to these works and I must say, they are great.  I'm loving it, having the feeling of opening up a new Stars Book after months of it on pre-order.

And if you want an excellent taste of the Gray Jedi read the stories by TheDutchman and Karmack. Wink

I agree, great works and their tie in with history and and references are great.



I believe that the Sith and Dark Side can be a force for good.  Jacen Solo descended to the dark side after seeing a future where the galaxy goes into war, he kills his uncle Luke or Luke himself gets killed, and having the knowledge that when he turned to the dark side, he would aid in restoring things back and have done so.   He gave up his life aiding Tenel Ka and their daughter Allana
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2018, 02:58:52 PM »

I think the debate comes into focus when you have to decide: Can you do the right thing for the wrong reasons ... and still be considered a force for good?  I personally think that motives have a lot to do with whether what you're doing will end up helping the good or fall to the evil.  I don't generally see many real instances of people who do things for selfish reasons that end up leaving any lasting legacy for good.  Whatever the reason, the motivation ends up being important to the eventual outcome.

Which leads me to conclude that, while a Sith may aid a good cause for a time out of self-interest, in the end they can't really do good.   For that matter, if a Jedi is doing something for selfish reasons they're not really doing good, either. 
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2018, 06:19:00 PM »

I think they can, kind of reminds me of my Jedi character from my fan fiction. He witnesses some pretty sour injustice during his time in the Order, then years later after he has walked away he starts to balance the scales "Punisher"-style. In his mind he is the hand of justice, but at the expense of everything he once was. Maybe he doesn't really qualify because he's not technically a Sith (nobody around to train him in the dark arts.)
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2018, 07:16:57 PM »

Yeah.   I think that the reason so many people choose to cos-play and adopt "Darth" names on the forum is because they decide they can be a "good" Sith...  ;-)
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2018, 11:11:38 AM »

Good, bad. It's the way you use it. All perspective.

I would say, in my opinion, its more like the vigilante route. Not Like The Batman....More like Punisher.
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2018, 11:45:25 AM »

Good, bad. It's the way you use it. All perspective.

I would say, in my opinion, its more like the vigilante route. Not Like The Batman....More like Punisher.

This is more what I would define as "Gray" Jedi - people who have a 'certain point of view'.  Sith hold to a code just as strict as the code of the Jedi.  Its just just diametrically opposed in philosophy and like the Jedi different Sith hold to it with different levels of fidelity. 

But a true Sith is evil, and cannot do good things, ultimately, because the good will be opposed to their worldview in fundamental ways.
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2018, 12:05:11 PM »

Well said, and definitely agree if its from a Sith Perspective.
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2018, 10:21:49 AM »

Technically yes. There are many people who do the right thing for the wrong reasons. What truly makes a Sith a Sith (and I'm sure Logos will tell me I'm wrong), is not their desire to destroy or kill everything that stands in their way (though many do wan to do that), but rather it is that for all their power, they only want more FOR THEMSELVES. They are selfish, so they can do the right thing (be a force for good), but it is almost exclusively if it lines up with what they want.

There can be exceptions (Logos is one many times, wanting to return SW to it's original glory, though again, it is because he wants it like that. It has nothing to do with the fact that other people want it like that too).
Close. The Sith are passionate, and power is merely a means unto an end.

Good, bad. It's the way you use it. All perspective.

I would say, in my opinion, its more like the vigilante route. Not Like The Batman....More like Punisher.
This is more what I would define as "Gray" Jedi - people who have a 'certain point of view'.  Sith hold to a code just as strict as the code of the Jedi.  Its just just diametrically opposed in philosophy and like the Jedi different Sith hold to it with different levels of fidelity. 

But a true Sith is evil, and cannot do good things, ultimately, because the good will be opposed to their worldview in fundamental ways.
If there can be Grey and Dark Jedi, why couldn't there be Grey and Light Sith?


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Through passion I gain strength.
Through strength I gain power.
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I often ask people "Where is the 'evil' in these tenets?"
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2018, 07:09:24 PM »

Close. The Sith are passionate, and power is merely a means unto an end.

I wasn't too far off, but then again, I am not a Sith.

If there can be Grey and Dark Jedi, why couldn't there be Grey and Light Sith?

Something I have often thought about myself. What would a "Light" Sith look like?
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2018, 08:52:17 PM »

Something I have often thought about myself. What would a "Light" Sith look like?

Now that's interesting. If it's mostly about passion, then I guess you just get a passionate Force user who is interested in serving the greater good but without too many of the Jedi hang ups I guess. Seems a bit like a Gray Jedi I suppose.
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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2018, 05:38:19 AM »

I wasn't too far off, but then again, I am not a Sith.
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