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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2018, 04:29:47 PM »

Iím so glad this topic is getting so much love! I feel like Iím learning so much about all of you as writers!


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This is indeed a fantastic topic LR!  Thank you for posting it  Smiley

Honestly, I canNOT recommend to you enough that you read each authors' stories.  I think I can say impartially that those are superior to many canon books, comics, and even movies.  I am humbled by the collective works in the Fan Fiction Section and consider them among my most favorite stories.  Ever  Cheesy
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2018, 05:17:33 PM »

Beyond that?  Probably the star-crossed romance of Talia and Illian, and how it ended.  But as LSG pointed out, these kinds of things happen in life.  Not writing them makes your stories utopian.  One of my favorite SciFi series is written by David Weber, around a character named Honor Harrington.  I won't give away tons of spoilers, but I will say that many of the prominent characters he develops eventually get killed.  Not all ... but many.  Its painful, but it adds the grit of reality to the story.

The key is to use it well.  I always felt like I didn't get enough out of Illian's death.  That whole story, Zealots, was not as well plotted and planned as I would like.  Just a bit to rushed....
And that's the real regret.  :-)   Not that they die ... but that they don't die well....

I love what you have done with Karmack. He is such a great character, and has developed so much since We Are Gray. I think the fact that you are willing to damage him both physically and mentally like you are doing is the mark of a truly great writer.

As for Illian, I hated not only to see him go, but for him to go in that way. And that is exactly why I love his death so much. And then the fact that you basically glossed over it for a while, and then brought it down in both Karm and Talia's lives at around the same time was absolutely beautiful. Yes, Zealots was a bit of a mess, but like LSG said, that is definitely a part of what makes it so good and realistic.
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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2018, 09:15:47 AM »

This is indeed a fantastic topic LR!  Thank you for posting it  Smiley

Honestly, I canNOT recommend to you enough that you read each authors' stories.  I think I can say impartially that those are superior to many canon books, comics, and even movies.  I am humbled by the collective works in the Fan Fiction Section and consider them among my most favorite stories.  Ever  Cheesy
Youíre welcome! I was sitting here writing things that I know are going to end terribly (doesnít help that this is the point in the story where everything really begins to go awry) and so itís reassuring to hear about other authorsí experiences with the same thing.

And I knoooooow! Iím just so busy right now I barely have time for my own story. Iím a full time Masterís Student and itís currently midterms week. I have a list going of the things I need to read lol. Is there a specific order I should do? I know a couple of the things are part of a series...


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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2018, 09:21:24 AM »

I love what you have done with Karmack. He is such a great character, and has developed so much since We Are Gray. I think the fact that you are willing to damage him both physically and mentally like you are doing is the mark of a truly great writer.

As for Illian, I hated not only to see him go, but for him to go in that way. And that is exactly why I love his death so much. And then the fact that you basically glossed over it for a while, and then brought it down in both Karm and Talia's lives at around the same time was absolutely beautiful. Yes, Zealots was a bit of a mess, but like LSG said, that is definitely a part of what makes it so good and realistic.

Well, thank you.  I appreciate the encouragement, and I'll do my best to keep it real.  :-)
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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2018, 09:45:41 AM »

I need to read some of your work Karmack, it sounds really interesting.
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2018, 09:54:50 AM »

Youíre welcome! I was sitting here writing things that I know are going to end terribly (doesnít help that this is the point in the story where everything really begins to go awry) and so itís reassuring to hear about other authorsí experiences with the same thing.

And I knoooooow! Iím just so busy right now I barely have time for my own story. Iím a full time Masterís Student and itís currently midterms week. I have a list going of the things I need to read lol. Is there a specific order I should do? I know a couple of the things are part of a series...


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I can relate with post-grad and midterms  Wink

For specific order, I'd read it thusly:  Karm's "We Are Gray" then his "Hide and Seek"   Then I'd start with LSG's "Children of the Aether" and TR's "Shadow of the Outcast"  Next, I'd suggest "Tarnished Knight" and then "Wind Chimes/Shadow Etude" (they are companion pieces).  Next would be "Orphan of the Aether" followed by "Legacy of the Aether"  And then, in particular order: "The Gray and Unchained"  "Zealots"  and then "Reunion"  After that, "Fate of the Aether" "Brothers" (can be followed up by "War Journals" for more details for the "Brothers" characters), "Jokers Wild" and finally culminating with "What You Leave Behind."  Somewhat more "stand-alone" are "Schisms" and "Storms of Exodus" although chronologically "Schisms" follows the events of "Fate of the Aether" indirectly.  

Whew!  And although it looks daunting, I can virtually guarantee that you'll be VERY glad that you read the stories like that (the shared continuity REALLY bringing each author's "A" game  Smiley).  Point of fact, I would HIGHLY recommend that for EVERYONE reading!  These gentlemen (and ladies  Smiley) have shared some truly remarkable narratives!

I need to read some of your work Karmack, it sounds really interesting.
Oh GF, believe me, his stories ARE really interesting  Cheesy

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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2018, 09:56:49 AM »

I can relate with post-grad and midterms  Wink

For specific order, I'd read it thusly:  Karm's "We Are Gray" then his "Hide and Seek"   Then I'd start with LSG's "Children of the Aether" and TR's "Shadow of the Outcast"  Next, I'd suggest "Tarnished Knight" and then "Wind Chimes/Shadow Etude" (they are companion pieces).  Next would be "Orphan of the Aether" followed by "Legacy of the Aether"  And then, in particular order: "The Gray and Unchained"  "Zealots"  and then "Reunion"  After that, "Fate of the Aether" "Brothers" (can be followed up by "War Journals" for more details for the "Brothers" characters), "Jokers Wild" and finally culminating with "What You Leave Behind."  Somewhat more "stand-alone" are "Schisms" and "Storms of Exodus" although chronologically "Schisms" follows the events of "Fate of the Aether" indirectly. 

Whew!  And although it looks daunting, I can virtually guarantee that you'll be VERY glad that you read the stories like that (the shared continuity REALLY bringing each author's "A" game  Smiley).  Point of fact, I would HIGHLY recommend that for EVERYONE reading!  These gentlemen (and ladies  Smiley) have shared some truly remarkable narratives!
Oh GF, believe me, his stories ARE really interesting  Cheesy

You will NOT be disappointed!

Well...

I have a lot of reading ahead of me. and thanks for the list Dutchman, this will really help me. point!
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2018, 10:23:53 AM »


For specific order, I'd read it thusly:  Karm's "We Are Gray" then his "Hide and Seek"   Then I'd start with LSG's "Children of the Aether" and TR's "Shadow of the Outcast"  Next, I'd suggest "Tarnished Knight" and then "Wind Chimes/Shadow Etude" (they are companion pieces).  Next would be "Orphan of the Aether" followed by "Legacy of the Aether"  And then, in particular order: "The Gray and Unchained"  "Zealots"  and then "Reunion"  After that, "Fate of the Aether" "Brothers" (can be followed up by "War Journals" for more details for the "Brothers" characters), "Jokers Wild" and finally culminating with "What You Leave Behind."  Somewhat more "stand-alone" are "Schisms" and "Storms of Exodus" although chronologically "Schisms" follows the events of "Fate of the Aether" indirectly.  


Goodness!  I had no idea we'd accumulated such a library!  :-)   Nice list, and that is indeed the best reading order.

GF, don't feel overwhelmed or obligated, but do enjoy!  :-)
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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2018, 12:17:03 PM »

I will! and I am about to post the intro to my own story, Invictus
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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2018, 02:11:53 PM »

I will! and I am about to post the intro to my own story, Invictus
Iíll have to add yours to the list then too in between all of the other reading! I look forward to seeing what you come up with.


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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2018, 02:40:50 PM »

I can relate with post-grad and midterms  Wink

For specific order, I'd read it thusly:  Karm's "We Are Gray" then his "Hide and Seek"   Then I'd start with LSG's "Children of the Aether" and TR's "Shadow of the Outcast"  Next, I'd suggest "Tarnished Knight" and then "Wind Chimes/Shadow Etude" (they are companion pieces).  Next would be "Orphan of the Aether" followed by "Legacy of the Aether"  And then, in particular order: "The Gray and Unchained"  "Zealots"  and then "Reunion"  After that, "Fate of the Aether" "Brothers" (can be followed up by "War Journals" for more details for the "Brothers" characters), "Jokers Wild" and finally culminating with "What You Leave Behind."  Somewhat more "stand-alone" are "Schisms" and "Storms of Exodus" although chronologically "Schisms" follows the events of "Fate of the Aether" indirectly.  

Whew!  And although it looks daunting, I can virtually guarantee that you'll be VERY glad that you read the stories like that (the shared continuity REALLY bringing each author's "A" game  Smiley).  Point of fact, I would HIGHLY recommend that for EVERYONE reading!  These gentlemen (and ladies  Smiley) have shared some truly remarkable narratives!
Oh GF, believe me, his stories ARE really interesting  Cheesy

You will NOT be disappointed!

Another way of looking at it is chronologically with SW universe.

Clone Wars Era

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Zyns untouchable series currently in progress

Galactic Civil War/Empire Era

The Stories about Karmack and Zearic (We Are gray, Hide and Seek, Tarnished Knight, Shadow Etude, Wind Chimes, Zealots, Reunion, Gray and Unchained, Jokers)  These joint arcs culminate in What You Leave Behind which is currently in progress.

Taegins Shadow of the Outcast which has some cross over with Zearic character.

Drunken Consular Brothers and War Journals which also crosses over with the Zearic family of characters.

Old Republic Era

Shadow Exodus which takes place at the end of the New Sith Wars (c. 1000BBY Darth Banes era)

The Aether Series (Children, Orphan, Legacy and Fate - see first post of Fate for a detailed list and other interludes) For those wondering Aether is what the protagonist race the Aethans call the Force.

Schisms Vhal Dan civil War - history of Zearics Grey Order of Knights occurs in line with the Aether series and continues past and crosses over with it.  

There is some overlap between the two era's developing in What You Leave Behind as well.
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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2018, 03:44:40 PM »

And the one I just posted, Invictus, that is taking place about 70 A.B.Y. after the First Order/Resistance era. I look forward to attempting to tie my writings into all of your amazing stories.
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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2018, 05:56:09 PM »

Another way of looking at it is chronologically with SW universe.

Clone Wars Era

For Tyeth New series

Zyns untouchable series currently in progress

Galactic Civil War/Empire Era

The Stories about Karmack and Zearic (We Are gray, Hide and Seek, Tarnished Knight, Shadow Etude, Wind Chimes, Zealots, Reunion, Gray and Unchained, Jokers)  These joint arcs culminate in What You Leave Behind which is currently in progress.

Taegins Shadow of the Outcast which has some cross over with Zearic character.

Drunken Consular Brothers and War Journals which also crosses over with the Zearic family of characters.

Old Republic Era

Shadow Exodus which takes place at the end of the New Sith Wars (c. 1000BBY Darth Banes era)

The Aether Series (Children, Orphan, Legacy and Fate - see first post of Fate for a detailed list and other interludes) For those wondering Aether is what the protagonist race the Aethans call the Force.

Schisms Vhal Dan civil War - history of Zearics Grey Order of Knights occurs in line with the Aether series and continues past and crosses over with it. 

There is some overlap between the two era's developing in What You Leave Behind as well.


And the one I just posted, Invictus, that is taking place about 70 A.B.Y. after the First Order/Resistance era. I look forward to attempting to tie my writings into all of your amazing stories.

Oh wow! I guess I’m technically first, chronologically speaking then. Currently 3963 B.B.Y. Current chapter covers battle of Serrocco and the Adasca Affair.... And Halin is finally going to take up the mask.



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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2018, 06:18:19 AM »

Yup.  I don't think anything except maybe an interlude or two goes back further.  I wrote an Interlude that hinted at the very beginnings of the Mak'Tor once, set on Coruscant before the planet was covered by city.   That was WAAAAAY back.   But as I said, it was only an interlude, not a real story.  Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2018, 08:46:39 AM »


Oh wow! I guess Iím technically first, chronologically speaking then. Currently 3963 B.B.Y. Current chapter covers battle of Serrocco and the Adasca Affair.... And Halin is finally going to take up the mask.



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Either way, I'm enjoying ALL of the stories that have been posted!  Thank you one and all  Cheesy
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