The Jedi may have asked for it....

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Oh yes, that was some really good stuff.

And more evidence that Mace might very well be the most arrogant Jedi. In AOTC at the Petranaki Arena when Dooku calmly informs him that he's hopelessly outnumbered, Mace's response of "I don't think so" just reeks of arrogance. We kind of brush it off because it's just Samuel L being awesome, but really thinking of the character they were hopelessly outnumbered at first and dozens of Jedi paid the price for it. There's so much in the Prequels that Lucas worked in, it's just subtle.

Right.  He had the drop on them....On COUNT FREAKING DOOKU!! and all he did was put his saber to Jango's throat. 

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Yea, Sam will always be the BMF......  But Windu just never gave Anakin an inch.  The rest of the council came to accept or at least tolerate Anakin's presence as a Jedi.  Windu...just never let it go.  He always spoke to and about Anakin as if he didn't belong.  You have to wonder...what if Windu had brought Anakin with him to arrest Palpatine instead of effectively sending him to his room or at most sent him to contact Yoda.  Anakin may not have had time to stew in his doubts.

Perhaps Windu sensed something that everyone else didn't/couldn't. I always liked the notion that Windu had a more....intimate understanding of the Dark Side than your typical Jedi. Maybe he was picking up on the subtle pulls to the dark.

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Perhaps Windu sensed something that everyone else didn't/couldn't. I always liked the notion that Windu had a more....intimate understanding of the Dark Side than your typical Jedi. Maybe he was picking up on the subtle pulls to the dark.

Which would, IMO, even further illustrate their inexperience and lack of understanding about emotional states.  Ok Anakin had darker tendencies..... but by treating him with constant suspicion and disdain...that just pushed him further to the dark. 

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Which would, IMO, even further illustrate their inexperience and lack of understanding about emotional states.  Ok Anakin had darker tendencies..... but by treating him with constant suspicion and disdain...that just pushed him further to the dark. 

It actually did something particularly profound: It showed that after all is said and done...the Jedi are people; fallible, biased, and pety.

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It actually did something particularly profound: It showed that after all is said and done...the Jedi are people; fallible, biased, and pety.

And this is why although many sith are viewed as evil...their mantra actually makes more sense because its about emotion and using your emotions rather than blocking them out and ignoring your feelings, which, IRL is a pathway to depression and trama

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And this is why although many sith are viewed as evil...their mantra actually makes more sense because its about emotion and using your emotions rather than blocking them out and ignoring your feelings, which, IRL is a pathway to depression and trama

Everyone always says "Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely"   I don't believe this is a constant.....history is full of Rulers who did not fall to corruption...they just aren't as fun to read about       But the saying should be "Power attracts the easily corruptible."....and that is the Sith to a tee.  Especially after the Rule of Two.

It actually did something particularly profound: It showed that after all is said and done...the Jedi are people; fallible, biased, and pety.

Exactly.  So how did Luke respond to this?   Well lets see...In the Old Canon he struggled with how to best not make the same mistakes as the old order.  Found a way to balance Love and Attachment with the Jedi code and in the end made the Jedi stronger than they may have ever been.    But in Disney Canon...... "The Jedi must End..."       (I'll finds anyway to beat that dead horse)

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And this is why although many sith are viewed as evil...their mantra actually makes more sense because its about emotion and using your emotions rather than blocking them out and ignoring your feelings, which, IRL is a pathway to depression and trama

It's ironic, but the Sith are actually more in touch with their feelings. I always hated that exchange with Maul in the Mando throne room, Obi Wan says that the weak give in to the Dark Side. IMO, the weak hide from their emotions because they are too difficult to deal with. That is why there are those who turn to drugs and drinking to subdue what they feel. Do the Sith always get it right? No, but at least for the most part they are honest, even if they are only honest with themselves.

Everyone always says "Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely"   I don't believe this is a constant.....history is full of Rulers who did not fall to corruption...they just aren't as fun to read about       But the saying should be "Power attracts the easily corruptible."....and that is the Sith to a tee.  Especially after the Rule of Two.

But that still falls under the faulty logic that ONLY the corrupt seek power. And that wasn't necessarily true. Zannah was devoted not corrupt. Bane was more like a tough loving older brother to her, and she was loyal to him. She dragged her feet to find an apprentice until she was sure that she had EVERYTHING Bane had to teach. But Bane grew impatient and forced her hand. She only fulfilled the Rule of Two to honor her master's wishes.

But in Disney Canon...... "The Jedi must End..."       (I'll finds anyway to beat that dead horse)

Which one? The Disney Canon sucks dead horse ass? Cuz I'll never let that die.

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Which one? The Disney Canon sucks dead horse ass? Cuz I'll never let that die.

So true...the Jedi must end...now Rey...Go and restore the Jedi even though you have never even really earned your power you just got a crash course of the force and everything else was handed to you

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But that still falls under the faulty logic that ONLY the corrupt seek power.

Didn't say that....power does attract the easily corruptible.  This by no means everyone who seeks or has power is easily corruptible.   If I had said "Those who seek power are easily corruptible."  That would be faulty logic.

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Didn't say that....power does attract the easily corruptible.  This by no means everyone who seeks or has power is easily corruptible.   If I had said "Those who seek power are easily corruptible."  That would be faulty logic.

True. But at the same time the original saying stands firm due to that very logic. It's more in the sense that the word "can" (and the subsequent conjugation of verbs) was left out, which would have made a more encompassing statement:

Power can corrupt, and absolute power can corrupt absolutely.

However, it loses its momentum as a warning when you take away the certainty the original wording suggests. And adding a line about being vigilant just muddles things.

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True. But at the same time the original saying stands firm due to that very logic. It's more in the sense that the word "can" (and the subsequent conjugation of verbs) was left out, which would have made a more encompassing statement:

Power can corrupt, and absolute power can corrupt absolutely.

However, it loses its momentum as a warning when you take away the certainty the original wording suggests. And adding a line about being vigilant just muddles things.

Difference of perception then, "Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely" is an....absolute statement.  It leaves no wiggle room.  It declares those in Power will...not might....be corrupted by it.    Going by the original wording it isn't a warning but a statement of fact.    "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men..." John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton in a letter to an Anglican Bishop.  True he said "Almost always" but from what I remember about him he had a disdain for anyone in power no matter what.

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Difference of perception then, "Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely" is an....absolute statement.  It leaves no wiggle room.  It declares those in Power will...not might....be corrupted by it.    Going by the original wording it isn't a warning but a statement of fact.    "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men..." John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton in a letter to an Anglican Bishop.  True he said "Almost always" but from what I remember about him he had a disdain for anyone in power no matter what.

I meant a moral warning. But there is also a difference between power and "authority"....I think. But on the flip side, is there such a thing as absolute power?

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I meant a moral warning. But there is also a difference between power and "authority"....I think. But on the flip side, is there such a thing as absolute power?

Yes....maybe not as much now but at one time.  Emperors, Dictators and Pope's had absolute power until they didn't. 

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Yes....maybe not as much now but at one time.  Emperors, Dictators and Pope's had absolute power until they didn't. 

I could say something, but it will only break RULES.

On the other side though, all those examples only had power because people believed they had it. Case in point: when the people decided that the Tzar no longer had authority in their lives, he lost all his power. Similarly, the people stopped believing that the Jedi were the ultimate good in the galaxy, and allowed the Empire to label them as villains. So when Palps declared them enemies of the state, people were happy.

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I could say something, but it will only break RULES.

On the other side though, all those examples only had power because people believed they had it. Case in point: when the people decided that the Tzar no longer had authority in their lives, he lost all his power. Similarly, the people stopped believing that the Jedi were the ultimate good in the galaxy, and allowed the Empire to label them as villains. So when Palps declared them enemies of the state, people were happy.

Yeah, Old Shevie created an idea that the jedi were trying to take over, and since he seemed a nice guy people believed him, and the jedi did nothing to prove him wrong when they had the chance.  Also if you read the ROTS novel, his trick with the tape was pretty clever, but also showed that the jedi just went in and were like "you're under arrest" with no proof they could give the senate.