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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2012, 11:04:21 PM »

I'll google those things as soon as I get the chance, and see what I can learn.  From what you guys have said, it seems like the reverse grip is more versatile than I originally thought.  I was thinking that my left side seems a bit unprotected while using a reverse grip.  Would it be better to dual wield?
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2012, 11:07:10 PM »

I'll google those things as soon as I get the chance, and see what I can learn.  From what you guys have said, it seems like the reverse grip is more versatile than I originally thought.  I was thinking that my left side seems a bit unprotected while using a reverse grip.  Would it be better to dual wield?

I use a lot of Muay Thai in my reverse grip whipping the blade like you would throw an elbow.

Although I use initiate blades.
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2012, 01:31:31 AM »

Dual wielding reverse grip isn't impossible, but it is difficult to master.

Here is my second attempt at the dual wield reverse grip methods.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBJXYsim_3Q" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBJXYsim_3Q</a>


This was quite a while ago, and I've learned a lot more since then. However if you are going to dual wield reverse grip. I recommend a lot of practice.

Best bet for protecting your off hand side... is by listening to the advice of others, the blade is acting as an extension of your arm. Block with it as you would block with your arms. That takes time, and it takes you being comfortable with letting opponents in close.
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2012, 01:49:06 AM »

Reverse blade with the Dooku grip might be interesting...the offset blade would keep it a bit away from the wielder...perhaps?
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2012, 02:05:40 AM »

Reverse blade with the Dooku grip might be interesting...the offset blade would keep it a bit away from the wielder...perhaps?

We tried that once, you're essentially pacing your grip so back behind the balance point and removing even more control
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2012, 02:08:37 AM »

Ah, well there you go   Grin

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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2012, 04:28:43 AM »

Dual wielding reverse grip isn't impossible, but it is difficult to master.

Here is my second attempt at the dual wield reverse grip methods.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBJXYsim_3Q#

This was quite a while ago, and I've learned a lot more since then. However if you are going to dual wield reverse grip. I recommend a lot of practice.

Best bet for protecting your off hand side... is by listening to the advice of others, the blade is acting as an extension of your arm. Block with it as you would block with your arms. That takes time, and it takes you being comfortable with letting opponents in close.


This is perfect. Watch the use of the underhanded, look how little energy he uses in defending himself, and how much he uses to attack as opposed to his partner in the normal grip throughout. His most useful attacks are when he switches back to front grip while he has almost full defense. Also pay attention to the way he's gripping them and the body placement. Those blades are no where near his arms at natural, and he's using them for glancing deflections. This is fairly accurate.

Personal Note, cuz I gotta bitch on it: A lot of people try to emulate Starkiller from Force Unleashed, however, in the first game (never played the second) he opens his attacks in reverse, then promptly switches over to normal grip for the more focused strikes in the combo sequence.
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2012, 02:12:16 AM »

This is perfect. Watch the use of the underhanded, look how little energy he uses in defending himself, and how much he uses to attack as opposed to his partner in the normal grip throughout. His most useful attacks are when he switches back to front grip while he has almost full defense. Also pay attention to the way he's gripping them and the body placement. Those blades are no where near his arms at natural, and he's using them for glancing deflections. This is fairly accurate.

Personal Note, cuz I gotta bitch on it: A lot of people try to emulate Starkiller from Force Unleashed, however, in the first game (never played the second) he opens his attacks in reverse, then promptly switches over to normal grip for the more focused strikes in the combo sequence.

Agreed completely, the best reverse grip forms are ones that switch back and forth. I have a friend who spars like that, and he's very unorthodox, makes it difficult to get a read on where he's coming from. I have to rely on my reflexes to read his attack once it is in motion. That seems to work for me.
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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2012, 02:20:44 AM »

Thanks for posting the video.  I checked out your channel and found a lot of other useful things too.  Hopefully I can find someone to duel with soon.
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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2012, 02:26:09 AM »

Definitely glad you found something helpful! I'm working on a lot of other things too so keep checking back. Finding dueling  partners is difficult
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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2012, 02:33:46 AM »

Reverse grip is a very unstable gripped by its nature. You are asking the weakest fingers to do the greatest amount of work. there are things that you can do in order to improve your reverse grip but they take quite a bit of work. The first thing I would want is to see a video of you using reverse grip in daylight so that I can make clarifications and modify what you're doing. If you can post a video I can give you everything you need. I may even post a video of my own to help you out.

Cheers.

while this is true i find it best to rely more still on the thumb and strong fingers.  try a slightly loose grip and let it kinda "wiggle" naturally in ur grip.  and if ur still worried about losing grip, a wider pommel cant hurt.  but maker sure iit is a smoother pommel as to not rough up your hand
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« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2012, 07:49:28 PM »

the problem with a reverse grip as seen in the video is you will lose some length in your weapon and it leaves your hands open as the primary target.  In the video the individual with the single sword was being nice and not just wacking the leading hands.....In knife fighting the reverse grip is much more defensive in nature the regular grip, i would think the same would apply with longer blades..
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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2012, 08:05:45 PM »

I use a lot of Muay Thai in my reverse grip whipping the blade like you would throw an elbow.

Although I use initiate blades.

A lot of muay thai?? I disagree.  The only attack u would get from that and wielding a wepon would be the elbow.  Unless ur adding kicks and unarmed Clinches after you have lost ur lightsaber. But as of just an elbow that would still be too much. Elbows in muay thai are used for close inside quick strikes. There would be too much of a range of motion to throw effective muay thai elbows with a reverse grip. It would contradict ur stance too greatly
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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2012, 08:09:41 PM »

A lot of muay thai?? I disagree.  The only attack u would get from that and wielding a wepon would be the elbow.  Unless ur adding kicks and unarmed Clinches after you have lost ur lightsaber. But as of just an elbow that would still be too much. Elbows in muay thai are used for close inside quick strikes. There would be too much of a range of motion to throw effective muay thai elbows with a reverse grip. It would contradict ur stance too greatly


The loss of reach can be made up by always moving.

When I use my Initiates in reverse grip, I try to crowd my opponent who usually is wielding a longer saber, because my short blades can mauenver around his 36"- 32" blade better than his around mine.

I like to look at Muay Thai, in that is stands for "Art of Eight Limbs". It seems plausible to adapt more unarmed Martial Arts into saber fighting since there isn't a lot of lore dealing with Teräs Käsi

 http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ter%C3%A4s_K%C3%A4si

Now I would never throw an elbow against a friend but I use the tip of my 24", which is longer than my arm,

in place of my elbows.

I also like to look at the whip like attacks and movements of Escrima and Kali.

There are a lot of flaws but it works for me and the more I use it the better I'll get at improving it.

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« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2012, 08:15:08 PM »

I agree with Kham... I almost want to wear sparring gear when I use reverse grip now... I want to move in and combine a little more hand to hand fighting with the form. That would be great for close quarters.
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