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Author Topic: Sith: Looking for translations of "Sith" across multiple languages. Help me out.  (Read 5240 times)
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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2020, 03:33:38 AM »

Then yes, on both points you're making I understand and agree with you.

Let me float the theory that with that particular sentient species in SW I'd have to guess protocol droids with translation software might have played an active role. If not then maybe Jedi or traders seeking not to get ripped limb from limb realized they had to bridge the gap in communication. I REALLY don't want to come off as offensive here (and I'm trying not to be even slightly) but in some instances people working with the deaf have a great aptitude for hearing and understanding things others might miss trying to listen casually instead of listening intently. People have also sought my help with varying degrees of babysitting and I am often terrible with kids (or so I've been told) especially understanding them when they start talking quickly or all upset. I guess it really depends on how hard you're ever trying to listen to a human being and gauge their intent. Often I fall short, likely a lack of effort.

Getting back to the intent of the topic, SW languages are sometimes crazy interesting and much harder to understand than Wookies. I remember something about Muun (even if they are EU now) being based in binary or something. I can only relate that back to maybe a spoken type of Morse code. Or I could be way off. At any rate I supposed I sought out someone who speaks German, Italian, Japanese, Mandarin, Korean, anything from African countries... those kind of inputs. Feeling like the Movies could have generated something of use in those countries dialects? All just a shot in the dark because of how interesting I find it, and wanting to learn new things I might put to use.

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« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2020, 10:21:07 AM »

I'm referring to dialect as it pertains to pronunciations based on language biases. Like the generic "z" sound used instead of "th" by almost every non-English European-language speaker speaking English. It becomes "zis" and "zat" and "zee ozzer zing." Effectively, it showcases the lack of use of that particular diphthong. Just as there are English idiosyncrasies when trying to pronounce foreign words and names. It drove me nuts living down south, where a county named Dubois was pronounced "doo-boyz".

Now, Wookiee just makes absolutely no sense. I never understood how the spoken grunts and growls translates into human phonics.

Off topic but in certain parts of France, we use "v" or "f" for your "th" ... "vee over fing" ....

The correct pronunciation of your "th" is a nightmare  Grin

In topic, for Sith, we just remove the h for the pronunciation ... it becomes "Sit" .... like "take a seat" ...
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« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2020, 11:37:55 AM »

Off topic but in certain parts of France, we use "v" or "f" for your "th" ... "vee over fing" ....

The correct pronunciation of your "th" is a nightmare  Grin

In topic, for Sith, we just remove the h for the pronunciation ... it becomes "Sit" .... like "take a seat" ...
I feel like I'm experiencing some similar nightmare, attempting translations from English into Common Sith and then High Sith as well. Attempting to retain the proper meaning and avoiding simply "trading the letters" in some type of literal translation that could fail to do so. It simply seems to get more and more complex, requiring some serious research & reference materials. Really I see the fundamental need for a Sith Abbatar and/or Holocron in the process at times. The complexity required seems insane at times, but also seems necessary for some of my goals. Because believability comes from functionality at times, so I don't want to create flawed or imperfect results on accident. My fellow Full Metal Alchemist fans would be able to understand where I'm going here, or others that could grasp the ideology and structure of ritual sorcery. For example in FMA they have to draw out alchemic circles and diagrams to do anything properly, and the "meaning of words and a properly/soundly formed idea" are building blocks of proper sorcery. So if I want to construct an example of proper Sith ritual on something amazingly cool like the acid etched blades, or a create a profile picture of a Sith Sorcerer standing in a Ritual Circle that isn't pure gibberish this is crucial. Because I really don't want to just "make something up" that looks cool but if you really look at it means absolutely nothing. If a fan could look at half the image and say "wow I can read this, that's amazing it's creator knows his stuff" then I've succeeded. It's also in my mind a huge waste to spend too much money on supplies creating images or parts of any costume that looks ridiculous to a trained eye. Ultimately answering Saso Is-Kor's original question.

I get that this may all seem a little off topic within my own topic, but I've had pretty good success in cosplay creation over the years, and I've found the old saying true to me "the Devil is in the details". And although it can turn into an intricate process the end result is rewarding in the reactions from people. I want the most hardcore of hardcore fans to be impressed if they start dissecting my work in earnest. Primarily since this is my first large scale attempt in regards to SW and being a lifelong fan. Maybe it's just the desire to do it once and do it right, but I almost feel the need for assistance from serious professionals in fields of study related to linguistics with something bordering on Master's degrees or PhD's at times. Which also sounds like overkill in this regard, but appropriate to satisfy an attempt at perfection before fabrication. Likely instead I'll have to turn to individuals who have spent years honing fanfiction while trying to replicate lore. This is what I get for trying to elevate an outfit into artwork, but I feel like it'd pay off if done properly. Somewhere between instilling fear or awe on sight sounds very Sith Lord to me. Seeing the quality of work produced by individuals crafting ensembles on the forum reinforces this desire. Thus this statement is giving you what inspired this topic, grounding a seemingly unrelated thought to the heart of the matter. I just want to do better than original examples of "temple carvings" did. In their defense I'm working with way more material than they did at the time, so I'm holding myself to a pretty high standard. So if others with detailed understanding of Ancient and Common Sith want to assist I would likely create a new topic as well.

But I still enjoy just trying to find out what I'm looking for here as well. It's all of interest to me. The continued input is as well. Helping to satisfy my craving for knowledge is greatly appreciated. Since knowledge is power.
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« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2020, 07:59:57 PM »

Off topic but in certain parts of France, we use "v" or "f" for your "th" ... "vee over fing" ....

The correct pronunciation of your "th" is a nightmare  Grin

In topic, for Sith, we just remove the h for the pronunciation ... it becomes "Sit" .... like "take a seat" ...
Meh. I actually speak English and cannot for the life of me figure out the 'f' in "laugh" or "enough", and then turn right around and get "ghost".

But then you get others with speech impediments that can't distinguish between the pronunciation of 's', 'sh', and 'th'. I wanted to make a t-shirt playing off of this:

The image would show a dog standing up, and the text would read

"My dog doethn't know thit."

The double entendre of "He doesn't know the command "sit" or imply that the dog is stupid and doesn't know "$#!%"
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« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2020, 06:46:46 AM »

Meh. I actually speak English and cannot for the life of me figure out the 'f' in "laugh" or "enough", and then turn right around and get "ghost".

But then you get others with speech impediments that can't distinguish between the pronunciation of 's', 'sh', and 'th'. I wanted to make a t-shirt playing off of this:

The image would show a dog standing up, and the text would read

"My dog doethn't know thit."

The double entendre of "He doesn't know the command "sit" or imply that the dog is stupid and doesn't know "$#!%"
Oh it is mind boggling for us frenchies when we learn the language as well ^^'
But our own language is full of silly exceptions too. So we adapt ^^'
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« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2020, 07:37:03 AM »

Meh. I actually speak English and cannot for the life of me figure out the 'f' in "laugh" or "enough", and then turn right around and get "ghost".


Duh, that's because it is pronounces "fost".
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« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2020, 09:32:11 AM »

Meh. I actually speak English and cannot for the life of me figure out the 'f' in "laugh" or "enough", and then turn right around and get "ghost".

But then you get others with speech impediments that can't distinguish between the pronunciation of 's', 'sh', and 'th'. I wanted to make a t-shirt playing off of this:

The image would show a dog standing up, and the text would read

"My dog doethn't know thit."

The double entendre of "He doesn't know the command "sit" or imply that the dog is stupid and doesn't know "$#!%"

Oh it is mind boggling for us frenchies when we learn the language as well ^^'
But our own language is full of silly exceptions too. So we adapt ^^'

"ille" .... the nightmare to explain that to a kid that learns to read ...

Try to explain the difference of pronunciation between "Famille" "morille" "bille" and "ville" "mille" ...
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« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2020, 09:34:19 AM »

Duh, that's because it is pronounces "fost".
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« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2020, 09:35:17 AM »

"ille" .... the nightmare to explain that to a kid that learns to read ...

Try to explain the difference of pronunciation between "Famille" "morille" "bille" and "ville" "mille" ...
Uh I never thought about that! Guess I'll have to try with my son soon enough.

aaaaand this.

Plus,
English is difficult. It can be understood though through tough thorough thought.
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« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2020, 10:15:13 PM »



Plus,
English is difficult. It can be understood though through tough thorough thought.

Exaclty, now you're getting it.

Point back, I've been looking for that breakdown of "ghoti" for a loooong time.
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« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2020, 08:53:16 PM »

Duh, that's because it is pronounces "fost".
Then why doesn't it make the same sound as "frost"? HA! Gothca there.
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« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2020, 10:57:15 PM »

Not like all the insights into French are bad, but slightly off topic if not interesting.
I typed a long reply to the great Darth Rondoudou... but timed out, so I was not re-typing that paragraph... although I appreciate the alliteration

SO English: Sith
     French: Sit

     others...?
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« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2020, 12:14:56 AM »

Then why doesn't it make the same sound as "frost"? HA! Gothca there.

Uh.. because English. Duh.
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« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2020, 12:33:08 AM »

Uh.. because English. Duh.
yep, root language of evil itself... that's why Sith seems impossible to translate into... it's root language is English
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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2020, 07:07:24 AM »

The Sith language seems to have odd parallels or coincidences within other languages... So I'm sharing a little of that now because in SW "there is no such thing as coincidence" right? It's sometimes funny but also a little creepy (at least to me so far anyway) so we'll see what others think.

In Spanish the word Diablo means Devil in English. But if you take the word Diable from Sith it means "curse" in English. Found it funny it's only one letter away.

Going from the point of view of English into Sith, "All" translates into Visa... So Visa really does mean everything/ is a gateway to "All" in a Sith frame of mind.

A correlation between English and Sith again this time, Status = Right. Literally translated from English the word Right= Status as a Sith word. Kind of ironic because Sith determine the right to rule in their society by the status one holds. Power dictates where you stand more often than not, giving you the "right" to hold power in society.

So, those are the fun little ironic bits I've found in my work/research along the way that stuck out. I don't know if Visa is a Sith company but that would make credit card rules and skyrocketing debt make a whole lot more sense IMO. Completely a joke, but a scary thought. Channeled the Dark Side by accident huh Visa?  Shocked
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