Acolyte: Series Thought

[Taegin Roan]

I actually like this. It's simple, and probably effective. It isn't depicted as having any stupid features? No nunchaku power coupling? (which, at this point I would still be happier to see than a f@#$ing light whip) No stupid "I cracked my crystal during bleeding bs" instability? Tell me it at least sings the Imperial March when being swung.

Agreed. A very simple hilt, but I personally quite like simplicity sometimes. Certain characters (like Mace Windu) deserve to have a hilt that's a bit more gaudy, but not everyone. Utilitarian is better in many aspects.

[Dude]

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[TheDutchman]

Agreed. A very simple hilt, but I personally quite like simplicity sometimes. Certain characters (like Mace Windu) deserve to have a hilt that's a bit more gaudy, but not everyone. Utilitarian is better in many aspects.

I concur^^

One of my favorite hilts are the v4 Sentinel/Dark Sentinel; they look absolutely fantastic IMHO 

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Great pic, Dude.  Thanks for sharing^^

Point!

Episode 6 was emblematic of my annoyances with this show and much of Disney products overall. 

The best bits were with Qimir/Stranger/Master, he's genuinely interesting, Sol's arc has potential too, there is interesting stuff going on here, after 6 episodes there is finally something to be interested in with regard to Osha, pretty unfortunate it took 6 episodes to finally deliver something of interest to her character apart from just being there so the story can happen.

but some really poor delivery and uneven acting, Mae/Osha not only suffer from a bland arc up till this point but also some very bland delivery, Sol too...Vernestra and her side kick felt like a waste of screen time apart from 'we need to get character A to location B' and were they trying to tie in something with the Senate there?, slightly odd 6 episodes in.

Nice on location and sets for the island though.

Once again, LSG's comments mirror my own opinions.  Once again, the antagonist is stealing the show.  Qimir is the most interesting character thus far; I was hoping for some more backstory on him (pity that I doubt that we'll get much--if any--info adding to his characterization).

As for Episode 7: I don't mind the Rashamon-style storytelling but this could've been better suited as part of Episode 3.  As it sits, it amounts to an almost complete waste of Episode 7, made worse by the fact that this was the penultimate episode of the season/series. 

And that really underscores a complaint that encompasses this entire story: wasted time on uninteresting and unnecessary scenes/developments/etc.  What we've been given should've occupied 3, maybe 4 episodes, worth of plot.  But with the uneven pacing, nonsensical story points, useless events, and downright bad plotting, "The Acolyte" suffers from what I feel all Disney+ SW shows (with the possible exception of "Andor") possess: mediocre (at best) stories with mostly bland characters who do things because te plot demands instead of any sort of organic narrative decisions/actions.

"The Acolyte" does have a few good ideas but I feel that those are mostly wasted amidst a weak story, inconsistent plotting, and uninteresting characters.

[Lord_S_Gray]

As for Episode 7: I don't mind the Rashamon-style storytelling but this could've been better suited as part of Episode 3.  As it sits, it amounts to an almost complete waste of Episode 7, made worse by the fact that this was the penultimate episode of the season/series. 

I agree, this part of the story was very poorly placed and there is no way the final episode can do justice to the aspects of the story that are interesting in a single episode...Season 2 I hope....  There are many interesting and engaging things going on but some things were just weird (the Torben 'mind seduction' thing was weird and I'm not sure what it added), Possessing Kelnacca was cool and actually a good strategy for otherwise vastly outmatched women...not sure the mechanics of them collapsing after the spell was broken though...and what was with that turning into mist entity stuff? Sure mysteries like that don't need, and are often better not explained, but I can't comprehend  what they were trying to do by it.   

Consider - if Torben had been possessed and it somehow backfired on the witches and he slaughtered vast numbers of them (i.e. they set him feral but couldn't fully control him underestimate however slightly his Jedi training) it would've linked into the mind control thing (if he had been offered say power instead of just 'I want to go back to Coruscant'...) and made sense of his subsequent monk like state seeking redemption.  That is to say the plot points were there to make things more sensible if they had linked it up.

Sol potentially confusing the will of the force with his own wants was an interesting point and is something that could be very interesting to look into for all Jedi who claim to be 'guided' by the Force. 

It's unfortunate there is only one episode left as it has been getting more interesting as it goes along, but as Dutch said a lot of wasted time at the start.

[ThreadJack]

I also thought seeing ANOTHER flashback of an event, from a different point of view, was an interesting choice for episode 7. I was disappointed.

[DarthRondoudou]

Well, so far I enjoy the show a lot. The Stranger is interesting. The fights were waaaaaay better than the sequels. I was hoping for a soul destroying secret from the jedis but it failed. They did not do anything unjedi like sadly so still stereotypes.
But Jecki T_T I liked Jecki.

[Darth Logos]

Agreed. A very simple hilt, but I personally quite like simplicity sometimes. Certain characters (like Mace Windu) deserve to have a hilt that's a bit more gaudy, but not everyone. Utilitarian is better in many aspects.

As much as I hate to admit that this show may have got something right, the simplistic nature of this saber would be in keeping with the nature of the Sith:

..."The Acolyte" suffers from what I feel all Disney+ SW shows (with the possible exception of "Andor")...

Quite

...instead of any sort of organic narrative...

Oh, there's a narrative alright. It just has nothing to do with SW or even telling a good story.

[ThreadJack]

I'm excited for the last episode tonight. A little sad we won't get more(for a while at least), but I can't wait to see how they wrap this up.

[mrg149]

Please Mr Zippermouth…Wipe my memory of all this crapola next

[Lord_S_Gray]

Well last episode done....spoiler warning!

I'm confused about some things...
Why didn't Sol take the Pip droid off Mae...
What was Mae planning when she just took off in a ship or did they just want a space chase scene?
What was the Tracker Bazil up to...he attacked Mae last episode, started pulling cables out this one?
Why did Mae's memory need to be wiped, why not just leave with the others (was there not enough room on the ship or something?)
Who is the weird dude on Qimirs planet, why introduce only in the last episode.
Killing a Jedi without a weapon is just force choking? Hardly revolutionary....I'd hoped it was more an in-depth concept like having them realise the errors of their own creed or something.

I'm assuming at the end Sol was more prepared for Qimir this time explaining why it was a more even fight and kind of let himself be killed by Osha rather than fighting back due to guilt etc. a bit of a tragic end to a flawed person.

And most of all, Why wasn't the sub plot of the Senate distrusting the Jedi not introduced earlier, which wad far more interesting than the main plot and a genuinely interesting scene (only interesting scene with Vernestra), why wait till the last episode? It would've added a sense of urgency and greater threat to the whole series if it had been explicitly included up front (episode 2 or something)

Obviously setting up for a second Season but really....

In the end Acolyte is just like the majority of Disney star wars, a lot of very interesting themes and story (Witch Coven's, questions about the will of the Force versus personal desire, some belated political plot), some bold moves (killing off characters in the jungle scene was a good move to show Qimir's power) great production values and finally good fight choreography...but shambolically assembled and let down by uninteresting and poorly written and at time played main characters.

I certainly enjoyed parts of it, but as a whole, it felt like below average young adult fiction or some of the less inspiring EU books made live action.

[Darth Logos]

Well last episode done....spoiler warning!

I'm confused about some things...
Why didn't Sol take the Pip droid off Mae...
What was Mae planning when she just took off in a ship or did they just want a space chase scene?
What was the Tracker Bazil up to...he attacked Mae last episode, started pulling cables out this one?
Why did Mae's memory need to be wiped, why not just leave with the others (was there not enough room on the ship or something?)
Who is the weird dude on Qimirs planet, why introduce only in the last episode.
Killing a Jedi without a weapon is just force choking? Hardly revolutionary....I'd hoped it was more an in-depth concept like having them realise the errors of their own creed or something.

I'm assuming at the end Sol was more prepared for Qimir this time explaining why it was a more even fight and kind of let himself be killed by Osha rather than fighting back due to guilt etc. a bit of a tragic end to a flawed person.

And most of all, Why wasn't the sub plot of the Senate distrusting the Jedi not introduced earlier, which wad far more interesting than the main plot and a genuinely interesting scene (only interesting scene with Vernestra), why wait till the last episode? It would've added a sense of urgency and greater threat to the whole series if it had been explicitly included up front (episode 2 or something)

Obviously setting up for a second Season but really....

In the end Acolyte is just like the majority of Disney star wars, a lot of very interesting themes and story (Witch Coven's, questions about the will of the Force versus personal desire, some belated political plot), some bold moves (killing off characters in the jungle scene was a good move to show Qimir's power) great production values and finally good fight choreography...but shambolically assembled and let down by uninteresting and poorly written and at time played main characters.

I certainly enjoyed parts of it, but as a whole, it felt like below average young adult fiction or some of the less inspiring EU books made live action.

From what I've read in this thread, it seems that my initial suspiscions about DSW are true: They don't understand the Force. They simply play off of what was said in a movie by ONE character that reflects his personal beliefs, and that equals doctrine. The Force is simply the Force. There is no light and dark, and there certainly isn't a will. (The following is an allusion to the Bible, I'm not preaching.) If the Force had a will, that would be tantamount to God being both Jesus and Satan. The Jedi and Sith and everything in between use the same Force. And like all naturally occurring forces, the only "desire" it has is to be balanced.

[DarthRondoudou]

Watched it, enjoyed it.
as for the questions, here's my take

I'm confused about some things... >> So am I but mostly intrigued and wanting more!
Why didn't Sol take the Pip droid off Mae... >> It's not the first time people overlook small droids, even though she already turned the droid previously. Probably a writing flaw where they were "oh she's locked in... how can she get out? If she were to use the Force then no shackles would ever work anymore".
What was Mae planning when she just took off in a ship or did they just want a space chase scene? >> Good question. Mostly escape to the planet on her terms and hope for rescue I guess. Instead of being surrounded by jedis had she waited with Sol.
What was the Tracker Bazil up to...he attacked Mae last episode, started pulling cables out this one? >> That's a good question, and the least unsatisfying answer I thought was maybe, just maybe, he doesn't want Sol to commit something even more awful than what he already did.
Why did Mae's memory need to be wiped, why not just leave with the others (was there not enough room on the ship or something?) >> The ship only seems to old 2 places. Yeah. Convenient I guess. But from what we've seen of it, it seems like it.
Who is the weird dude on Qimirs planet, why introduce only in the last episode. >> I guess that's to hype a season 2. Maybe The Stranger's master...
Killing a Jedi without a weapon is just force choking? Hardly revolutionary....I'd hoped it was more an in-depth concept like having them realise the errors of their own creed or something. >> I think we know too much for what we were watching. Killing someone with the Force and without being taught Force Choke may be way more harder to think about for others. Especially for a Jedi trained person. And the point could have been to realise that the Force can be used as a weapon to kill, and not just push or defend.

I'm assuming at the end Sol was more prepared for Qimir this time explaining why it was a more even fight and kind of let himself be killed by Osha rather than fighting back due to guilt etc. a bit of a tragic end to a flawed person. >> Sol did wipe the floor with Qimir at the end of the ep5 episode. I guess we have to take into account that most jedis at the time thought sith did not exist anymore. Explaining the initial shock of having to fight a lightsaber wielding opponent. Then again, jedis might have fallen before, without fully becoming sith and so on. So I don't really know. I think the explanation is a mix between initial shock and pain for the loss of fellow jedis and... T_T padawan T_T I really really liked Jecki...

And most of all, Why wasn't the sub plot of the Senate distrusting the Jedi not introduced earlier, which wad far more interesting than the main plot and a genuinely interesting scene (only interesting scene with Vernestra), why wait till the last episode? It would've added a sense of urgency and greater threat to the whole series if it had been explicitly included up front (episode 2 or something) >> This is indeed a flaw but it was refreshing to see a reasonnable senator. Of course the jedis are a cult, of course they repress something they shouldn't. I'm glad this is adressed in the series. But I agree that had it been clear from the start, some decisions would have made more sense. Although it does feel our Mirialan friend was hiding A LOT of stuff from the start.

Obviously setting up for a second Season but really.... >> I really do hope so. It was refreshing to see another era. And even though I could have lived without the ending cameo, I do want more.

In the end Acolyte is just like the majority of Disney star wars, a lot of very interesting themes and story (Witch Coven's, questions about the will of the Force versus personal desire, some belated political plot), some bold moves (killing off characters in the jungle scene was a good move to show Qimir's power) great production values and finally good fight choreography...but shambolically assembled and let down by uninteresting and poorly written and at time played main characters. >> I think it's far better than most of what Disney has done so far. Maybe I should not be too hopeful anyway... I did not get anything about the will of the Force though. It's quite clear all throughout, at least to me, that people use it rather than it having a will of its own...

I certainly enjoyed parts of it, but as a whole, it felt like below average young adult fiction or some of the less inspiring EU books made live action. >> Eh I dunno about that. I really enjoyed it. Sure, there are flaws here and there. But I did not facepalm as much as in the other disney stuff.

Well last episode done....spoiler warning!

I'm confused about some things...
Why didn't Sol take the Pip droid off Mae...
What was Mae planning when she just took off in a ship or did they just want a space chase scene?
What was the Tracker Bazil up to...he attacked Mae last episode, started pulling cables out this one?
Why did Mae's memory need to be wiped, why not just leave with the others (was there not enough room on the ship or something?)
Who is the weird dude on Qimirs planet, why introduce only in the last episode.
Killing a Jedi without a weapon is just force choking? Hardly revolutionary....I'd hoped it was more an in-depth concept like having them realise the errors of their own creed or something.

I'm assuming at the end Sol was more prepared for Qimir this time explaining why it was a more even fight and kind of let himself be killed by Osha rather than fighting back due to guilt etc. a bit of a tragic end to a flawed person.

And most of all, Why wasn't the sub plot of the Senate distrusting the Jedi not introduced earlier, which wad far more interesting than the main plot and a genuinely interesting scene (only interesting scene with Vernestra), why wait till the last episode? It would've added a sense of urgency and greater threat to the whole series if it had been explicitly included up front (episode 2 or something)

Obviously setting up for a second Season but really....

In the end Acolyte is just like the majority of Disney star wars, a lot of very interesting themes and story (Witch Coven's, questions about the will of the Force versus personal desire, some belated political plot), some bold moves (killing off characters in the jungle scene was a good move to show Qimir's power) great production values and finally good fight choreography...but shambolically assembled and let down by uninteresting and poorly written and at time played main characters.

I certainly enjoyed parts of it, but as a whole, it felt like below average young adult fiction or some of the less inspiring EU books made live action.

[DarthRondoudou]

Well. Seems like the strange figure in the cave was Darth Plagueis

[Darth Logos]

Well. Seems like the strange figure in the cave was Darth Plagueis

Oh I can't wait to see how they bastardize this.



Wait.....yes I can.