Saber Forum

Hello Everyone,

I watched Star Wars Ep 1 recently and during Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon Jinn fight scenes against Darth Maul, there is a very nice close-up on both Qui-Gon and Obi-wan's Sabers which are very similar to US Consular and Guardian. I was interested in having an idea which US sabers would correspond (or was inspired from) to which Star Wars Character, during which movie or series' episodes, as many characters changed sabers from an episode to another.

So I thought I would start a discussion about this, as I didn't see another discussion while searching. Obviously if I'm wrong, please redirect (my mother used to say to me that I'd be looking with men's eyes  ;D )

I created a table, and will update it once a person identify a character and a movie, and when another person seconds the first person.

US Saber:

Character:

Saber Color:

Movie/Serie:

Identified by:

Seconded by:

Confirmed on:

Arbiter

Archon

Bane

Bellicose

Catalyst

Chosen One

Consular

Qui-Gon Jinn

Consular Green

SW Ep 1

MartyQc

Graflex

Guardian

Obi-Wan Kenobi

Guardian Blue

SW Ep 1

MartyQc

Malice

Manticore

Mantis

Monarch

Overlord

Prophecy

Raven

Reaper

Scorpion

Shock

Warglaive

If something is missing, don't hesitate.

Oh and if somebody can explain or has a nice link so I can align my table properly using coding, it would be appreciated... there must be a way, but can't find it yet  ;D

Take care!

The Chosen One - Darth Vader - Original Trilogy
The Graflex - Luke Skywalker - ANH and ESB
Archon V2.1 - Luke Skywalker - RotJ

I think I saw a post where the Prophecy was similar to Anakin's saber in AotC and where the Manticore was inspired by Darth Maul's.  Additionally, the Malice is Darth Malgus's sabre from the Old Republic game. 

I'm sure others can fill in more of the blanks but that's all I have for now.

I'm glad someone's brought this up, I've been trying to figure out if the Archon was more Luke ROTJ or Obi-Wan ANH, as they look similar in style.

Raven - Galen Marek - Red - Dark side ending of 'Star Wars: The Force Unleashed' Game
Bane - Darth Bane - Bane's Heart ;D - 'Star Wars: Jedi vs. Sith' comic series

Isn't the bellicose based off of starkillers too?

Yes, I think someone said that the Bellicose was inspired by Starkiller's sabers shown in the 'Force Unleashed II' trailer...

Ok for some reason, I thought I could edit my post but it doesn't seem to work, so here is an update:

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I think you are only able to edit your posts for only about an hour after posting.  Anyway, nice looking list you have there.  A point for your efforts.

Btw, the Graflex should be Arctic Blue and I believe the Prophecy would be Guardian Blue but I don't know for sure.  

Thank you Molina00 :) The 1hour would make sense, I was able to see the edit button after I posted my last one and can't see it anymore haha

You are right! I assumed Luke was always green, but looked at the movie ANH and it's clearly Arctic Blue. As for the Prophecy, i'll add and wait for someone to confirm. I'll add a new screenshot later tonight regarding this.

Thanks! Point!

Obi Wan also used an Archon-style saber in Ep IV ANH. It was Arctic Blue for the most part (appeared white in some scenes).

Little update:

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Let's see here... it looks like the Arbiter is just an extended version of the Archon, so its inspiration is probably the same. The Catalyst looks familiar, but I'm not sure. The Shock has a similar theme to some of the hilts in the Clone Wars era such as Aayla Secura's and Ki-Adi-Mundi's sabers... The rest seem to be original designs, but again, I'm not quite sure.
Also, I remember the Starkiller (Bellicose) hilts to be Guardian Blue in that trailer.

Just to clean up your list a little, instead of naming appearances individually(since it's likely to get mucked up upon future releases), just use EU(Expanded Universe) for anything not from the movies. Just to make it a little easier to read.

Otherwise, good job.

Based on watching TFU cutscenes again and again, it seems to me that Marek's saber isn't a Bellicose, but more similar to the Graflex, at least at the top. And the Raven is Sith Stalker Starkiller's weapon.

I could be mistaken

The Monarch/Dark Monarch has been suggested to be inspired by Palpatine's 'sabres from EpIII, but it's not a close match; The flowing lines are there, but Palpy's are asymmetric.

Not symmetrical? So you think Palpy might have 'sheeved' a bit off his saber here and there then?

The monarch is also darth sidious/palpatine 's saber as seen in the clone wars or very simular to it 

Most of these are pretty spot on, I think you got it generally.


His hilt in the first game is Graflex inspired, while the hilts seen in the promo trailer for the second game are very similar to the Bellicose.


There are a bunch of difference between the Obi-Wan ROTS/ANH and Luke ROTJ, but one easy distinction is the grip.  Ben's has a grenade grip, while Luke's just has regular ridges.

Ah, I haven't played TFU2 yet. And his lightsaber after Vader betrays him in TFU1 is actually Kota's. At least in the graphic novel.

Yeah, in the game he keeps his same hilt but canonically (back when TFU was whatever level of canon) he used Kota's.

Hello guys,

Please confirm which saber is Kota's? (and color ;) )

Forgive my lack on knowledge, but is Galen Malek and Sith Stalker the same person? I added 2 rows for the Raven, but wasn't sure.

Here is the table updated. I do my best to add in the table your comments and in some cases, take your comments as confirmation, and even assume saber colors, so if it is wrong, let me know. That is also why I added a ''seconded by'' option, as some might see different things on different scenes, so having a confirmation is more ''objective''. I'm learning quite a lot with your comments, thx  ;D

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Ki adi mundi has a GB light saber color and he did build a purple one also

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This is Kota's lightsaber. I'd say Bellicose or Standard Issue with some modifications.

I agree on the Standard Issue. It's similar to the Imperial Knights' lightsabres from the Legacy comic series (they all use the same hilt design, hence Standard Issue) but with the right wrapping (such as http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=21638.0 (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=21638.0) or even more so http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=21904.0 (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=21904.0)) it's a close match for Kota's.

Aayla Secura used a blue blade exclusively, so far as I can tell. Ki Adi Mundi didn't use the 'Shock' 'sabre that I'm aware of (the comics are rarely consistent, but his promo shots suggest he used a different style of hilt). Other Jedi did use that general style of hilt - Adi Gallia (red, then blue), Barris Offee (blue), Bultar Swan (green), Roth-Del Masona (blue), Sar Labooda (green), Shaak-Ti (blue) and Sora Bulq  (blue, later red).

As for Palpatine's hilt, it's half-symmetrical, like the Consular and Guardian, with a gently curved and recessed grip and tilted pommel. Gorgeous design, but I imagine it's unlikely ever to have a close MHS match.

Sith Stalker is a title used for Galen Marek/Starkiller - I think specifically it refers to a set of armour he uses in the game, but it's been a while since I played so I may be wrong. I believe he's generally shown with a red blade, but I can't say without checking if that's shown on the 'Raven' hilt as he ends up with about half a dozen hanging off his belt when he's wearing the armour, and I'm not sure which one he's shown to use. I'm sure someone can check and confirm :) He doesn't use the hilt outside of the armour so the second title is the more accurate one, I'd say.

So far as I'm aware the other hilts listed (Catalyst, etc) don't have 'movie' matches. Happy to be proven wrong, though!

If we're going by Battlefront 2, then Secura used one blue, one green, but that's probably for the game only. Here's Windu's saber pre AOTC
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Any sabers that look like that here?

You want lightsabre geekery? Here you go:

The lightsabre you have there belongs to Eeth Koth. He loaned it to Windu as part of a Jedi ritual known as the Concordance of Fealty where Jedi exchange lightsabres as a sign of the deep bond of friendship and camaraderie between the pair. Windu's lightsabre in Episodes II and III would have been in Koth's possession during Ep I as part of the Concordance.

Windu would almost certainly have had a different lightsabre prior to the one he wields in the films. The use of electrum (the gold highlights) denoted a Master of high standing in the Jedi Order, one who had proven their strength and wisdom. Sidious, naturally, had his 'sabres fairly dripping in the stuff, but among the Jedi it was pretty much only Windu that had significant electrum highlights on his.

Well, Windu, and Jocasta Nu, master of the Jedi archives... :)

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As for replicating that 'sabre, US don't really have the parts. The Archon could maybe serve as a base for the hilt, but the emitter and pommel aren't very similar to anything US offer, so far as I'm aware.

James, I presume the mentioned Blue is Guardian Blue, and the general type of hilt you mention all comes from Legacy.

And I thought I knew Star Wars coz I've seen the movies and all Clone Wars animated serie lol. Love learning! What would you suggest I take a look at, if I wanted to know more about Star Wars? (kinda liked the reference to the ritual you mentioned  :D)

Update 4:
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O_O You sir have outclassed me in Star Wars nerdiness. My goggles off to you.

Only when it comes to lightsabres, it must be said :D

Marty, Wookiepedia (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) is a remarkable place to get up to speed on the wider universe. A number of individual lightsabres have their own pages, even - 114 of them (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Personal_lightsabers) at present count :D

Lightsabre combat (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber_combat) is enthralling, to me at least. Otherwise, there's a lot of interlinking between the expanded universe and the films. Think of a character in the films, and they'll have shown up all over the place in the books. Han Solo's article (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Han_Solo) is huge, as you'd imagine, and it can be easy to get lost in the many adventures he went on. It may be better to take a look at something a little less massive - how about an article on R2-series droids (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R2-series_astromech_droid), the Rule of Two (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rule_of_Two) or Clone Wars character Cad Bane (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cad_Bane)?

If you're interested in exploring the expanded universe, then you can jump in at pretty much any point. The books have fairly detailed timelines in them, and while it helps to read each specific series in order from the first to last book, it's not essential - my jumping on point was the 5th X-Wing book, although in that case books 1-4 and 5-7 each formed shorter arcs within the wider series. I'd suggest the Han Solo trilogy (Paradise Snare/Hutt Gambit/Rebel Dawn) as the ideal starting point for someone wanting to get into the EU - a familiar main character, who the books stick close to for virtually the whole time, and it's just a fun series with a lot of great characters in its own right. Otherwise, consider the Darth Bane trilogy (set 1,000 years before the films and is the beginning of the Sith Order's rise to power that peaks when Palpatine becomes Chancellor/Emperor) or the Thrawn Trilogy (set 5 years or so post Return of the Jedi, and which was the first real novels to be released which picked up the story of the main characters in the films).

_{So... maybe not just lightsabres} :D

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Aayla Secura & co were all prequel characters, so Eps I-III. The Shock hilts are the closest to the hilts they wielded, generally. Any reference to a blue blade for those characters will generally be Guardian Blue - there's not a huge difference, but the blue prequel blades are generally agreed to be a few shades darker than those of Luke & Obi-Wan in the original films.

Legacy is a comic series taking place c. 130+ years after Return of the Jedi. At least two characters survive through from the prequels to Legacy - being a Jedi is good for your lifespan, assuming you're not hacked apart by a Sith, or gunned down by clone troopers...

Speaking of which, if we really want to open a can of worms we can jump into post-ROTJ character sabers... but that may be going a little TOO crazy ;)

But if you do, I'd be happy to help.  I was one of the few who started the Emerald Green color, in a reference to Jacen Solo.

One of the hilts that Greivous uses in the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon is a Standard Issue. During the scene where he is training with Dooku.
"You're gripping the saber too tightly." *knocks it from his hand* "Now, too lightly. Hm? A new one?"

I found this on the interwebs the other day.  No idea of its accuracy, but here's hoping it helps?

(http://i.imgur.com/YgQJ92I.jpg) (http://imgur.com/YgQJ92I)

I've seen that one before, actually a pretty solid guide.  Everything seems accurate as far as I can tell.

Thank you James for your ideas and nice resume Greywolf ;)