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Ultra Sabers Discussion => Ultra Sabers Questions => Topic started by: Wawa on January 16, 2011, 11:55:21 AM



Title: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Wawa on January 16, 2011, 11:55:21 AM
What is the size of the rentention screws?  I like to replace them in my phantom hilts with thumb screws for easier blade changes.

on the CSS site they have thumb screws that are 8-32x3/8" (http://www.ultrasabers.com/8-32-x-38-aluminum-thumb-screw-P539.aspx) would these fit?


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: zach skywalker on January 16, 2011, 03:16:28 PM
I think they would fit ,but I would ask ultra or deep


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Saiyanhikari on January 16, 2011, 05:57:57 PM
Although one could just pm Ultra or Deep, having this kind of information and the answer public in a thread is quite useful for anyone else who may have a future inquiry about this same topic. So, just wait for one of them to answer I guess.


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Lord_BoOgEyMaN on January 16, 2011, 07:54:44 PM
I was gonna ask the same thing, I would like to replace the retention screw with something bigger to customize my saber


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: darth_nogg on January 16, 2011, 10:26:04 PM
I was gonna ask the same thing, I would like to replace the retention screw with something bigger to customize my saber

I had my stepfather do this on my standard issue, though I suggest you be very careful. I've got some wobbliness I can't seem to get rid of (though I did put some thin rubber bands on the blade and stuck it in, it put a damper on it but it's still there somewhat)

However, he also made it so that there was a hole in the blade for the new screw to go into, so I'm not 100% on what's causing the new found wobbliness.


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Ultra on January 16, 2011, 11:22:18 PM
Hole in the blade is a no-no.  Never do that.  That will cause wobbliness.  Rotate the blade so that the screw presses on the blade and it will resolve that.

As for the screw, 8-32 is the correct thread.  As for length, it depends on what Phantom you have.  V1's use a 1/2 inch, and V2's use a headless, so the length doesn't matter as much, but 3/8th might be too short.  I'd suggest just going to your local Ace, Lowes, or HD and try some thumb screws.


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: darth_nogg on January 17, 2011, 05:39:30 PM
My hole is no longer threaded so I'm not sure that I can get the new screw to indent the blade to keep it in place. However, I have small rubber bands on the bottom of the blade in the saber that covers the hole somewhat and allows me to leave the screw out a little farther while still keeping it tighter in place. I regret not just sending it in because I would have a threaded hole, but I've got it jerry rigged pretty well. It's like back in the day of bouncing PS1 screens, I wanted to have it sent in and fixed, but at the same time I didn't want to be without it for two to three weeks :p

Though next time I'm leaving it to the experts, thanks Ultra :)


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Ultra on January 17, 2011, 09:37:19 PM
The hole isn't threaded, so I assume that means the threads are stripped?  No problem, tap it to 10-32, then go grab a 10-32 headless set screw at your local Ace, HD, or Lowes and you're good to go.


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Ronin on January 20, 2011, 05:08:31 AM
I have a question that is kind of relevant, basically the Dominix came with both retention screws, one was supposed to be a light-hole thing but I used it as a double peg for double security because I mostly duel with mine. Anyway, about 2 days ago I was tightening the smaller one (the one higher up) with a hex-wrench and all of a sudden the threads on the inside of the screw withered all at once (I wasn't doing it that hard I SWEAR), basically the hex wrench was now just in a hole and wouldn't catch to anything for grip, so I can't take out my blade...

I tried needle nose pliers but eventually the screw just broke in half, still in the hole, I managed to get some of those pieces out, but my blade is still stuck. The larger screw is fine and safe, I just need help with the top one, it's already gone so I'm open to any way to get it and the blade free.  ULTRA, WHAT DO I DO???   


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Eternus on January 21, 2011, 03:00:50 AM
Ronin is it a grub screw or does it have a cap on it? I don't know if it'd be applicable in your case, but if you freeze metal it'll shrink slightly. It may help to get some more if not all of the remaining pieces out.


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Ultra on January 21, 2011, 03:18:18 AM
Ronin, you're going to have to drill it out.


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Ronin on January 22, 2011, 07:18:46 AM
Yeah it's a headless retention screw...

Ultra, I tried using a dremel tool to carve out the pieces but it only worked to a degree, I'm just afraid that if I drill it I will damage the blade (Heavy grade btw). I did consider drilling, but mostly as a final option... Any extra tips?


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Ronin on January 26, 2011, 03:58:29 AM
I don't want to do anything without Ultra advice...


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Ultra on January 26, 2011, 05:09:52 AM
Without seeing a picture I can't give you any other advice besides drilling it out.


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Ronin on January 26, 2011, 11:04:28 PM
I was going to upload them with my last post but they all came out blurry, just a gray circle on black.

Basically I'm asking that when I drill should I just try and get all the remaining pieces out? Because it would seem less risky (in terms of damaging the blade) to keep using the dremel tool, or should I get a drill bit slightly larger than the hole and just completely tap into it?

Sorry for all this, I've just had my run ins with rushing and ruining a project and an Ultrasaber and it's blade is not something I want to lose


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Eternus on January 27, 2011, 01:00:39 AM
I'd try to dremel it and use a pin to try to get as much out as possible. Just chip away at it little by little.


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: wasd999 on January 27, 2011, 05:14:42 AM
I got the same problem now that I Screwed
the top hole on the blade.

Some how I managed to pry out the screw
with OIL for the job.


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Ronin on January 27, 2011, 05:25:01 AM
Ugh, I really messed mine up.

I think I'm just going to cut the blade where the emitter ends and pry the rest out using a screw driver, my lack of experience and tools have really inhibited my ability to fix this. Advice on cutting it, before I screw that up too?


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Eternus on January 27, 2011, 05:40:05 AM
A saw and a face mask so you don't inhale any polycarbonate dust. Not sure how you're gonna use a screwdriver to get the rest out...


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Ultra on January 27, 2011, 05:56:59 AM
If I were you, and I'm not, but if I was, I would just leave the screw alone.  But if you're determined to get it out, you can either keep at it with the dremel, drill it out with a 1/8th inch bit, or try to epoxy an allen wrench into the rounded out socket and then unscrew it when the glue dries.


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Ronin on January 27, 2011, 07:02:57 AM
The screw broke, way in the beginning of all this pretty much into thirds, I figured that I could try and remove the remaining bits with the dremel, but even though it looked as if it worked the blade stayed in. Then basically I decided that if I create a hole bigger than the original the screw will not be threaded and therefore not hold the blade, well I expanded the hole to about a quarter inch in diameter, nothing. Then I thought I could break whatever was left of the bolt by clamping the hilt to a vise and twisting the blade, unfortunately this vise is brand new and I'd never actually used it so I didn't know about these ridges on the underside of the actual clamp, so I cut two slits on either side of my HG blade, the one I got a week ago with a different saber.

Alright, I'm ordering 2 new UEHG blades (on sale for 27$ ??!!?!?! :D) with a coupon I got a while back for something else (thanks again Deep), one for me, one for my little brother.

Anyways I am going to cut the blade that is stuck close to the emitter, then using pliers take out what's left inside the hilt, purposefully breaking the 2" that are in there. How do I cut it without damaging the foil on the inside?



Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: novacaine1337 on January 30, 2011, 12:18:04 AM
I recently got my Dark Standard Issue and was wondering what size the wrench is. Thanks


Title: Re: Blade Retention screws
Post by: Ultra on January 30, 2011, 01:15:40 AM
I recently got my Dark Standard Issue and was wondering what size the wrench is. Thanks

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