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WE HAVE REACHED THE NEXT ROUND. And this time it's a doozy. Please make sure to read all the rules before posting

Rules of the game:
- You are only allowed to pick 11 movie villains (that's 10 with a bonus pick)
- Only THREE Honourable mentions are allowed
- Your choices DO NOT have to be in order of favourites
- You can only choose an individual, NOT a group (therefore you cannot include The Gremlins. You would have to pick Stripe).
- You CANNOT pick "Anti-heroes". Anti-heroes ARE NOT villains.

Definition of a movie villain:
1. A wicked or evil person; a scoundrel.
2. A dramatic or fictional character who is typically at odds with the hero.


Please remember - That all opinions on movies are subjective. There are no wrong or right answers for the movie villains you love, so no putting down other peoples picks if they choose something you disagree with.


As previously stated, these are in no particular order. I love them all, for various reasons. The numbers are just there to make sure I limited myself to 11.

My picks:

1- Hans Gruber - Die Hard
2- Loki - The Avengers
3- Freddy Krueger
4- Norman Stansfield (Gary Oldman's character in Leon)
5- The Joker (Heath Ledger's version)
6- Hannibal Lector - Silence of the Lambs
7- Syndrome - The Incredibles
8- Keyser Soze - The Usual Suspects
9- Khan Noonien Singh - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
10- Biff Tanen - Back to the Future
11- Hans Landa - Inglorious Basterds

Honourable mentions:
i- Mr Blonde - Reservoir Dogs
ii- Annie Wilks - Misery
iii- The Liquid Terminator

Will gen a list later, but just wanted to point out "liquid terminator" is known as the T-1000.

Truth.  ^^

Also will compile a list shortly, but just want to throw in Francis from Deadpool.  What an "A" hole.

I know it is. I just prefer liquid Terminator. (It sounds cooler)

Good pick. Will that be on your actual list or an honourable mention?
If I had space I would've included Dr Evil from Austin Powers.

Oh, he's on the list - first person I thought of...lol

Had to just blurt it out. :P

Jolly good. Blurt away.

DAMMIT - I forgot about Khan. May to have to revise my list

You have failed utterly.

I have no idea what you're talking about... ::)
(especially as you have no proof of any missteps on my part)

You called in a favor. Probably from Kham.

That's still not proof. That's a theory, an idea, a hypothesis if you will. But not proof.

Alright, tackling this one...

Here are my picks in no specific order:

1.  Francis from Deadpool - Already mentioned him, so might as well make him first.  Epitome of "Jerk", IMO.

2.  The Joker (Heath Ledger) - Requires no further explanation.

3.  Pennywise the clown - Scary in the book, but nailed by Tim Curry.  GAH!

4.  Loki - He was easy to dislike.

5.  Lor - Commander Data's "brother".  Another complete "A" hole.

6.  Sauron - A big baddie.

7.  Agent Smith - Another "easy to hate" one.

8.  Annie Wilkes - Loved the book "Misery", and the movie was spot on.

9.  Darth Vader - Well DER!

10. Hannibal Lecter - Chills. Major chills.

11. John Doe (from Seven) - Spacey nailed it.

I could easily go on...

Honourable mentions to Lord Voldermort, Emperor Palpatine, and Norman Bates...

(any Bond villain)

Just a point of clarification. In the description of a villian you said


Does that mean that Han and Lando could be in their?

Nope. Sorry. You can't include them there. And why would you?
Even though the dictionary definition I used had scoundrel in there, Han and Lando are not villains (I suppose they could be considered villains from the POV of the Empire, but that's semantics and not what this list is for).

Don't think I didn't notice you try and sneak in additional group under your honourable mentions.  :P

Good picks there though. Although, you found Loki unlikeable? Interesting. I found him easy to like but he had so much glee in his evil-doings.

Okay, well I'll have to think about them then.

Looking forward to seeing your list.

And from the sound of your....impassioned response, it seems theory and/or idea and/or hypothesis hit damn close to the mark. ;D ;D ;D

"I'm not such a bad guy, once you get to know me." 8)


Do anti-heroes count the same as villains?

You think "that" was impassioned? Really? How little you know. But, it's good that people under-estimate me.

And who wouldn't want to get to know Agent Smith? I bet he knows where all the best parties are.

Did you not read the rules?

My apologies if you missed it because you weren't wearing your glasses.  ;D ;D

I skimmed them. But thanks, you just helped me figure out one more for my list.

You skimmed them? You "skimmed" them! That is unacceptable.

You're skating on thin ice, young man.
Your ego is writing cheques your body can't cash.
You're not the messiah, you're a very naughty boy!

Villains aren't a huge interest of mine because I'm not very attracted to evil characters, but these topics are super fun so I'll throw in some stuff. I won't be including honorable mentions or putting it in any specific order though.

1. Hannibal Lecter
2. Anton Chigurh
3. The Shape
4. Xenomorph
5. Darth Vader
6. Bane (yeah he's undercut in the end but I can't get over that accent)
7. HAL 9000
8. Regina George
9. Dr. Otto Octavius
10. Jareth the Goblin King
11. Lord Humungus

Actually wait, I'm gonna throw in one honorable mention for Aunt Henrietta so she can stand in for the Deadites (your rules can't bind me! :P ).

Out of all of these the ones I genuinely love are Lecter, Chigurh, the Shape, and the Xenomorph so a true list for me would just have 4, but that's no fun. :D

-1 for Life of Brian. :)

Understandable, but a good story needs a good villain. You don't necessarily have to love them. But villains can be interesting, compelling and complex and a nice juxtaposition from the hero.

The Shape is a mask, not a character. It was worn by Michael Myers. Not sure if you want to change that.

And before anyone says anything about he Xenomorph being a species. Xenomorph is both singular and plural, so it's fine (and a good choice too). Plus, ya gotta love a topic that allows you to put David Bowie on it (all hail the legend of Bowie. RIP sir).

I know, but the character was credited as the Shape in the original HALLOWEEN so I like to refer to him as that. Much more spooky than sharing the name of a comedian.

But I did make one change by swapping out Buffalo Bill for Regina George. :D

But the majority of people know him as Michael Myers. Plus, to avoid confusion with the comedian, just put a tag next to his name with the film (like I did on my list) to help out our viewers.

*edit* Another good pick.

You expect a hipster like me to care about the majority? I'm offended! :D

1) I don't skate
2) Speak English
3) never claimed to be

Now shut up and let me finish my list.

? ? ?

A hero is defined by the caliber of villain he defeats. Weak villains make for weak heroes.

I was going to put it in mine, as the singular (and most terrifying iteration) came as the villain in the first movie.

Care? No. But why not do it to make things easier on our non-hipster viewers. Unless you are purposely trying to engage them in conversation so you can explain "The Shape" and exhibit your hipster knowledge (in which case, just ignore all my previous comments).

Who's stopping you from doing your list?

My list is finished, so I can type whatever I want on my own thread :P

2. From NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN.
3. Another way to refer to Michael Myers.
8. Replaced in a post edit with Regina George, but the main antagonist of SILENCE OF THE LAMBS (also referred to as James Gumb).


It's a super great villain. ;D


That's exactly my intention. I just like sharing facts I think are cool when people ask. :-\

Well stoppit! I won't have other people trying to be cool on my thread.  :P

Exactly.

An argument could be made that the face-hugger is actually more terrifying than the Xenomorph. But that is a discussion for another time. As is the answer to the eternal question as to which is better, Alien (for it's solo x-morph) or Aliens (with it's horde of x-morphs + queen).

To be discussed on another top 11 that I am working on. Coming soon.

Running 2 tabs at once. ;D

Well I suppose since Lecter was locked up, and he really didn't play the part of antagonist in SILENCE, you technically didn't call out 2 villains from the same movie.

In no particular order.

1.) Delores Umbridge
2.) Magneto
3.) Maleficent (The OG)
4.) Smaug
5.) Predator
6.) The Ghost and the Darkness
7.) The Terminator
8.) Gideon Gordon Graves
9.) Capt. Hector Barbosa
10.) Yokai (aka Prof. Callaghan)
11.) The Joker (Ledger)

Honorable mentions: The xenomorph, Agent Smith, The Jackal, Darth Sidious.

That's all I could think of at this time. There are so many more though, I could go on all night.

Not against the rules to do so though. ;)

(Love your Maleficent pick BTW)

And voiced by the perfect villainess voice actress.

With excellent character design to go with the perfect voice. ;D

Damn, now I want to watch SLEEPING BEAUTY.

Which Magneto - Fassbender or Mckellan?
The Ghost and The Darkness is one movie but two villains. You need to choose one.

And you are only allowed THREE honourable mentions (you really did just skim the rules didn't you).

The topic is movie villains. Lecter is a villain, although not the MAIN villain in SOTL, so it totally counts. And you can have 2 villains from the same movie if you want. Just count them separately.

I don't know if people come to these topics to read rules (I'm very guilty of skimming myself). :-\ Maybe some looser parameters would help?

There are only 5 rules (the actual forum has more). How long does it take to read 5 rules?

And I think the parameters are quite loose. By having limitations it A) makes people think harder about their choices, 2) avoids overly long lists, C) doesn't hand an advantage to those people who see the list earlier than others (they would then be able to take all the best picks, especially if there were no limitations).

Like I said, there are only 5, very short, rules. Shouldn't be that time consuming to read them. And before anyone mentions it, I know I went A, 2, C. That was done on purpose for the sake of comedy.

There's more debate than actual listings here

You're not helping. :P

Not gonna rank

Emperor Palpatine
Darth Vader
Buffalo Bill
Biff Tannen
Clarence Boddicker(Robocop)
T-1000
Annie Wilkes aka my mom's doppleganger
Chuckie/Charles Lee Ray
Jaws the shark
Norman Bates
Michael Myers

Honorables
Freddy Kruger shudders
Xenomorphs(excluded cuz they are as a whole)
Death(Final Destination)

1- the shark from Jaws is officially called "Bruce".
2- Xenomorph is like Jedi, it can be single or plural.
3- LOVE your list. Good job *thumbs up emoji*


*edit* On a side note, can I say how gratifying it is that so many people enjoy these thread topics. I do them as a fun thing to encourage conversation and debate about the topic (and what ever subjects that spiral out of it too). I hope you guys enjoy participating in them and any "correcting" I do is just part of the fun banter and not to be taken seriously. With that in mind, anyone caught breaking the rules in the future gets 15 mins on the naughty step.

*extra edit* It seems that the Xenomorph/s have appeared on many people's lists. Little side question for the group: Which is more intimidating/scary - The Xenomorph or the Facehuggers?

Xenomorphs definitely! For me

For me, I thought Buffalo Bill was more creepy than Hannibal lector, although a greater body of work, but for that film, bill freaked the hell out of me. Lector became an anti hero, IMO

X-morphs what? Are more intimidating than the facehuggers? Yeah, I can see why someone would think that. For it is definitely the facehuggers.

Am I the only one who found Buffalo Bill funny? Not "ha ha clown the hills are alive" type funny, but still funny. No? Just me then? Ok.....

I prefer Lecter in the film because of the menace hidden behind the intellect. Plus the way he escapes from custody, THAT was terrifying in an awesome way.

His "I'm having an old friend for lunch" makes him anti heroic cuz that mother fo'qua deserved, no doubt about it! He was intelligent, very methodical. His getaway was glorious. My brother would whack me with a towel like Lector got the guard with the stick(brother is off!) He was too sharp, too witty, to be scary for me. "Love ya skirt!"

Anti-heroic? You keep on using that word. But I do not think it means what you think it means. :D

And deserving or not, eating that "mother fo'qua" makes him evil and villainous (no-one deserves that, no matter how good the chianti).

Well like I actually like Lector. He's not so bad to me. I like Predator. Vader was borderline.

And yes that pompous, arrogant prick deserved to be filleted for all his mishandling

Hey! #doctorslivesmatterstoo

1.) Maleficent (Cartoon not live action)
2.) Thulsa Doom
3.) Zod (Terrance Stamp)
4.) Faora (Only good thing from Man of Steel)
5.) Darkness (From Legend, one of Tim Curry's finest)
6.) Shere Kahn (cartoon)
7.) Smaug (again only good thing from the Hobbit films)
8.) T-1000
9.) Victor (Underworld)
10.) Director Krennic
11.) Imhotep (1999)

Just some random great villains here (IMO). Not in any order, and certainly not all of them. Just a random few that I could think of.

1) Darth Vader
2) Director Krennic
3) Count Rugen (much better then Prince Humperdink IMO)
4) Ronan the Accuser (GOTG)
5) Ultron
6) Baron Zemo (CA:CW)
7) Saruman
8.) Smaug
9) Sauron
10) Captain Barbosa
11) Blackbeard (Pirates of the Carribean: On Stranger Tides)

Honorable mentions: Loki, Emperor Palpatine, Davy Jones.

EDIT: I had typed Director Krennic before I read the Tepes' response.

Nice list Tepes.

Which Imhotep are your referring to? I agree with you about Smaug and The Hobbit films and Terence Stamp's Zod is iconic.

Karloff and Vosloo

Can't have both performances. You need to choose one (as they were both very unique and different, although fit in perfectly with their respective films).

K, edited to specify.

Nice! Although, Karloff's performance was great too. I loved watching those movies as a kid.

Baddies-

1- Count Dooku
2- T-1000
3- King Richard I (Braveheart)
4- Emperor Commodus (Gladiator)
5- Biff Tanon (alternate 1985)
6- Saruman
7- Agent Smith
8- Sheriff of Nottingham (Prince of Thieves)
9- Darth Vader
10- Sebastian Shaw (First Class)
11- Amon Goeth (Schindler's List)

Honourable Mention-

1) Predator
2) Megatron
3) Darth Maul

NICE CALL with the King Richard I. HATED him with a passion.

Alan Rickman - nuff said (RIP)

And must not make a Biff Tannen Donald Trump joke. Must resist.....

Zod and Darkness!!
Nice!!! Darkness scared me as a kid Zod was a great villain. Very close to honorable mention.
"Oh God, what have I done?"
"Zod!"

Curry was awesome as Darkness, I mean look at that smirk.  To be able to act through all that makeup is nothing short of amazing...

(http://i.imgur.com/nTZZbbU.png) (http://imgur.com/nTZZbbU)

See, Tim Curry can act through that and yet they do Dan Stevens as the beast in Beauty and the Beast as CGI. Surely they could have done a seamless blend of practical and CGI? But, off topic.

I love Tim Curry, I love Darkness and I love that movie. Every time I watch it I actually want Darkness to win and that is mainly down to the performance of monsieur Curry

Agreed.

Fassbender really doesn't play the Magneto as the villain (except at the ends), but I implied McKellan.

But they acted as one threat. And neither was more pertinent or terrifying than the other, so I classified them as one entity.

This one especially. As I've already stated, a story can be made or broken on the caliber of villain.

When you're excited, 5 rules may as well be a comprehensive universal dictionary. :P

That's a loaded question. Like "Which is scarier: the xenomorph or the queen?" Each is uniquely terrifying for different reasons despite being the same species. I think that's what made xenomorph so effectively terrifying; they were a threat at any stage of development, and any perceived weakness had dangerous repercussions (ie: bleeding).

The actresses were hot in either film. ;D ;D ;D

Good calls. +1

Your logic does not resemble our Earth logic.

Do you consider yourself the villain of this story?

Good to know I can get you so excited.  ;)

When has it ever?

I've only ever seen it once, but I don't recall being able to distinguish one from the other, either. I should think this too adds to why they should be classified as one.

I can be. >:D

I hope you bring that same level of excitement and blatant flounting of the rules to the next top 11 thread. That way I can banish you to the naughty step every time you step out of line.

BTW - Next one will be going up tomorrow. Keep your eyes open It's another fun one.

You honestly think the bounds of a naughty step can hold me?

Yep. :P

Plus, there is a hidden failsafe in case anyone (like you) tries to leave before their time is up

Feebly laid booby traps do not intimidate me.

*Ahem* I said failsafes, not booby traps.

Next topic is up (as I'll be a little busy tomorrow and I was too excited not to post it now)
http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=34244.new#new

Tomato/tomahto