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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2016, 04:18:04 PM »

I actually really like this explanation and am totally on board with it.  Metaphysically, certain colors are used to represent certain states, but those states can shift.  I like the idea that your lightsaber will reflect who you are at your core and that like many other things, this can change (if a new saber is constructed).  Although, I think it would be kind of neat if ALL sabers started out white and shifted to reflect the changing ideology of those who wield them.  Not just a mood shift.  I'm talking about a deep-seated change that changes the fabric of a person's identity. 

Also, I find one flaw in this.  If this reflects the true essence of the wielder, I'm not so sure some of these colors are accurate for their wielders.  Anakin and Kylo come to mind immediately.
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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2016, 04:25:43 PM »

Mood blades, the next evolution in lightsaber science. Wink
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2016, 05:13:18 PM »

I wonder if the crystals take on the ideals of the constructor of the lightsaber during the meditation, or if someone can imbue it previously and then hand it over to another for them to build a lightsaber.    I wonder this because all the Sith and Sith allied saber we see in the present canon are the same color of red.   Could these have been gathered up by Palpatine via his office in the Republic and he imbued them all himself?  Even Vader's crystal might have been a gift from Palpatine.  Thus would make them all uniform and not necessarily reflect the user's ideals.   Kylo Rens's saber being the only possible outer, but with a cracked crystal, it is possible he got it from an older Sith allied saber the Knights of Ren or the Brotherhood found post-Endor.

Luke may have done a quest to find his own crystal at any point between A New Hope and the completion of his lightsaber just before Return of the Jedi.  He could have had it while he still had his father's lightsaber, and just didn't have a use for it yet.  The alternative is that Obi-wan had a spare crystal in his hut, either an unimbued one, or perhaps even Qui-Gon's old crystal.  Or old Ben shifted from blue to green during his exile on Tatooine, but never got around to needing to replace his Clone War's era lightsaber crystal.

There are a lot of opening with this and any number of stories that can be told (or retold in some cases).
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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2016, 06:01:26 PM »

Perhaps Kylo's using the crystal from Vader's saber.
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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2016, 06:28:24 PM »

Perhaps Kylo's using the crystal from Vader's saber.

Considering that saber went tumbling down the same reactor tunnel that Palatine went down, I doubt it.
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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2016, 07:16:49 PM »

Why not...according to (current) canon, even Vaders right glove (together with some debris of the Death Star) didn't vanish but was somehow "saved" due to the wormhole that was conjured when the Death Star's reactor was blown up and released its hypermatter. So why shouldn't his lightsaber have taken the same way?

And regarding the video...I actually like the new "lightsaber crystal" canon. Even the change that there are no synthetic crystals anymore. Imbuing the crystal with the Force (and potential feelings) of the wielder, making his own unique colour sounds very reasonable to me. This can also mean that a Dark Side user can use any crystal, clean it through the Force and then imbue it with his own feelings and Force potential. Since he's a Dark Side adept, the nature of the Dark Side of the Force and the more or less similar feelings of Dark Side users always colours the crystal in red.
Light Side users have much more variation in using the Light Side and more differentiated feelings, so their crystals will vary in colour, too. They also have the possibility of cleaning a Dark Side crystal, using it for him/-herself.

Last but not least, my theory on cracked kyber crystals is that when performing the process incorrectly, either because the Force wielder is untrained or too quick and thus inaccurate or, in case of Kylo Ren, torn between the Light and Dark Side, the crystal's structure is critically damaged instead of the normal rearrangement during the process which leads to the crack.
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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2016, 09:27:08 PM »

Why not...according to (current) canon, even Vaders right glove (together with some debris of the Death Star) didn't vanish but was somehow "saved" due to the wormhole that was conjured when the Death Star's reactor was blown up and released its hypermatter. So why shouldn't his lightsaber have taken the same way?


Where is this stated in Disney Canon
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« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2016, 11:24:48 PM »

Heir to the Jedi, within Disney canon, doesn't say why a saber has it's color, but it describes a purple lightsaber belonging to a rhodian who died in the clone wars. The saber used 3 amethyst kyber crystals and behaved as if it were trying to escape Luke's grasp. It wasn't quite clear if that was a rhodian grip design thing or a force thing. Luke took it apart and couldn't put it back together, as it requires the force to align parts inside where tools can't reach, and he couldn't move things yet. Heir to the Jedi is set between Ep 3 and 4. He begins moving things with the force in HttJ.
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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2016, 04:27:04 AM »

Also, Anakin killed the sand people that killed his mother in episode 2, right? Then he fought Dooku and lost his lightsaber, right? He constructed a blue saber after that, right?

Mentioned your point to my brother.....he brought up that fact that Anakin was always losing or destroying his saber so it is possible that he had a few extra?
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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2016, 01:48:38 PM »

Also, Anakin killed the sand people that killed his mother in episode 2, right? Then he fought Dooku and lost his lightsaber, right? He constructed a blue saber after that, right?

His lightsaber was destroyed in the droid factory before he even fought Dooku.  In the battle arena on Geonosis, two jedi tossed "spare" lightsabers to Anakin and Obi-Wan.  Obi-Wan got a blue one and Anakin a green one.  In the final battle, after Obi-Wan was injured, he tossed the blue lightsaber to Anakin, who dual wielded for a few seconds.  Then Dooku destroyed the green lightsaber, leaving Anakin with a blue one.  During the battle, Dooku cut off Anakin's arm, but the blue lightsaber wasn't destroyed.

When he constructed his ROTS lightsaber, he could have just used the crystal from one of the blue lightsabers from Geonosis, either his original that was destroyed (that's not to say the crystal was destroyed, someone could have gone down into the factory and retrieved it) or, more likely, he could have deconstructed the lightsaber he fought with at the end of the film and taken the blue crystal out of it.  Since they were in a war, it makes more sense to use a crystal that's already got a color, assuming that the imbuing the color bit takes some time.
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« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2016, 02:24:18 PM »

His lightsaber was destroyed in the droid factory before he even fought Dooku.  In the battle arena on Geonosis, two jedi tossed "spare" lightsabers to Anakin and Obi-Wan.  Obi-Wan got a blue one and Anakin a green one.  In the final battle, after Obi-Wan was injured, he tossed the blue lightsaber to Anakin, who dual wielded for a few seconds.  Then Dooku destroyed the green lightsaber, leaving Anakin with a blue one.  During the battle, Dooku cut off Anakin's arm, but the blue lightsaber wasn't destroyed.

When he constructed his ROTS lightsaber, he could have just used the crystal from one of the blue lightsabers from Geonosis, either his original that was destroyed (that's not to say the crystal was destroyed, someone could have gone down into the factory and retrieved it) or, more likely, he could have deconstructed the lightsaber he fought with at the end of the film and taken the blue crystal out of it.  Since they were in a war, it makes more sense to use a crystal that's already got a color, assuming that the imbuing the color bit takes some time.

Let's not forget a few things, though. There is a connection between the Force user and his/her crystal, and at that time the caves were still under jedi control and open. He could have easily gone to a cave to her a new crystal to fabricate his ROTS saber. That would have made that saber more his and strengthened the bond between the two, as opposed to reusing a crystal from another saber.
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« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2016, 02:31:02 PM »

Let's not forget a few things, though. There is a connection between the Force user and his/her crystal, and at that time the caves were still under jedi control and open. He could have easily gone to a cave to her a new crystal to fabricate his ROTS saber. That would have made that saber more his and strengthened the bond between the two, as opposed to reusing a crystal from another saber.

And therein lies the problem.  If he imbued a new crystal, would it have still come out blue, as he was already turning to the Dark Side at that point?  If indeed Dark Side characters always get a red blade, why didn't his come out red?  Or orange?  Or any other color besides blue?  If blue is indeed associated with a Jedi Knight, a beacon of virtue and justice and a defender of the Light, how would a character with a dark spark in them imbue a blue crystal?  Just sayin'...

These are the types of issues that come up when you suddenly decided "this is the way things are done" and make it canon.  There are questions, some of which don't have answers.
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« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2016, 03:02:37 PM »

And therein lies the problem.  If he imbued a new crystal, would it have still come out blue, as he was already turning to the Dark Side at that point?  If indeed Dark Side characters always get a red blade, why didn't his come out red?  Or orange?  Or any other color besides blue?  If blue is indeed associated with a Jedi Knight, a beacon of virtue and justice and a defender of the Light, how would a character with a dark spark in them imbue a blue crystal?  Just sayin'...

These are the types of issues that come up when you suddenly decided "this is the way things are done" and make it canon.  There are questions, some of which don't have answers.

But he hadn't fully turned, yet. And, there was still good in him, even as Vader. Therefore, if you look at his full arc, he did return to the defender of the light, meaning a blue color would have been justified. Always in motion, the future is.

I agree with you that a complete overhaul often creates problems that didn't exist, which is why I stated in my first post was that this went too far.
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« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2016, 03:07:55 PM »

I think you guys are putting too much on him killing those sand people.  He struggled, but didn't turn until well into episode 3.  He was rebellious and had a temper, he wasn't necessarily a sith.
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« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2016, 03:48:35 PM »

I think you guys are putting too much on him killing those sand people.  He struggled, but didn't turn until well into episode 3.  He was rebellious and had a temper, he wasn't necessarily a sith.

Exactly. Until he turned, he was still a Jedi. Like everyone, he was flawed, but he was still a Jedi. Killing the Tusken Raiders was part of the path, but it wasn't the turn. He didn't commit and devote himself to the DS with that singular act.
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