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« Reply #210 on: November 11, 2020, 10:31:44 PM »

Not particularly, because I believe that the rights belong to the Tolkien Estates. That being said, I don't hate the LOTR or Hobbit Trilogies, I just don't think they are good representations of Tolkien's books. But, I would absolutely watch every movie/tv show created around that IP at least once to see if it was any good
I said "imagine". But then you go hit the nail on the head. I watch with the hope that it gets better.

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Here's the difference between LOTR and SW, LOTR started as books. The books are the originals, there is nothing "canon" to Tolkien's works that he did not directly have his hand in writing. Any adaption could not possibly be canon, because Tolkien wrote books, not movies. SW on the other hand was created by George Lucas as a series of movies telling the story of the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker. When his story was told, he made a tv show called The Clone Wars that was related to, but did not directly effect his story. He then gave Dave Filoni (his apprentice) the power to do pretty much whatever he wanted within the galaxy he had thought up. Then he sold SW to Disney so they could continue on the legacy of his story (which, for better or worse, they did). Now Disney is working with people like Filoni and Favreau who know and love SW like you and I do in order to make something that is almost universally loved by SW fans (of course there are those who don't like it, and that is fine, media is subjective), whereas the ST was extremely divisive.
I guess you're not getting it. Trust me, "love" for something does not always equate to best care despite best intentions. Case in point: take a look at how many have small dogs that are morbidly obese. Undecided

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No one is forcing you or me to watch Mando, just like no one would force me or Tepes to watch anything related to Tolkien's works. We watch it because we want to. Once we find out we don't like it, we quit watching. I'm not saying that you should quit watching Mando, that is a choice you need to make for yourself, but it is an option.

I'm sorry you feel that way.
Mando is pretty much the only thing that even comes close to really feeling SW in like the last decade. And I can't totally say that my frustration of late is solely due to Disney #$%&ing up SW. Sadly, my OCD makes it difficult to quit something before it is finished, more so if it something that I invested myself in. And I hate to come off as a troll, but until I find a someone more responsible than the DIRECTOR to pin the ever-higher pile of #$%& ups, my wrath falls on Filoni.

It was said by more than a few people who weren't Rogue Squadron or Jedi in the OT.   Two Main examples are the guy who gave the driefing in ANH (sorry character name eludes me) and Admiral Ackbar just before the assault on DS II.  It seems as if it was taken up by the Rebellion as another aspect of defiance against Papa Palpatine.
But it was still used within confines of Rebel activety. Granted, the OT didn't have much to do outside of the rebellion, but still....

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He will be directing the 5th Episode and its both of theirs really.  But after looking up some things, it seems as if Filoni and the other two directors/creators who made cameos as X-Wing pilots was an inside joke between Filoni and Favreau that Favreau went ahead and implemented.
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Just going on context Tabs maybe like a plate or Vin number.  "Oh no Transponder or ping?  OK.  Your going to have to come with us so we can physically check your ship."
Take you word for now. Need to watch again.

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If every character did "smart" things...there would be no stories.  Don't get me wrong Lazy Writing exists but I don't automatically equate plot convenience with lazy.
She's smart enough to hot-wire a droid to act as a translator, but not enough fix the bigger reason she's in trouble?

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Outer Rim, Post Empire, poor creatures....stands to reason their not rolling in resources.  If they were she could have chartered a more comfortable and reliable flight.
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« Reply #211 on: November 11, 2020, 10:46:35 PM »



Ok?



Just pointing out it wasn't an ego trip on Filoni's part...but a decision made by Faverau.
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« Reply #212 on: November 12, 2020, 01:58:25 PM »

Just pointing out it wasn't an ego trip on Filoni's part...but a decision made by Faverau.
I actually wasn't trying to blame Filoni directly for that bit. It's just, as I explained, the Outer Rim is not a small place, so the odds of randomly running into someone that you barely had a chance almost encounter with has an unbelievably low probability.

My only conclusion is that somewhere in their market research, Lucasfilm{D} discovered that people like seeing things that they've already seen before. I being the exception, unless the repetition serves a defined purpose. Even still, Lucasfilm{D} overuses this way too much; to a level of they truly believe we won't get that we're watching SW unless it's crammed full of $#!% that we already saw in other SW installments. To me it's insulting, but it wouldn't be the first I had personal disagreement with the way mainstream humanity thinks. Undecided

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« Reply #213 on: November 12, 2020, 03:23:29 PM »

I actually wasn't trying to blame Filoni directly for that bit. It's just, as I explained, the Outer Rim is not a small place, so the odds of randomly running into someone that you barely had a chance almost encounter with has an unbelievably low probability.

My only conclusion is that somewhere in their market research, Lucasfilm{D} discovered that people like seeing things that they've already seen before. I being the exception, unless the repetition serves a defined purpose. Even still, Lucasfilm{D} overuses this way too much; to a level of they truly believe we won't get that we're watching SW unless it's crammed full of $#!% that we already saw in other SW installments. To me it's insulting, but it wouldn't be the first I had personal disagreement with the way mainstream humanity thinks. Undecided

Also, henceforth I will no longer be blaming Disney for my SW gripes, but rather the Disney era regime of Lucasfilm which I have designated Lucasfilm{D}.

Storywise I think it has to do with the New Republic being stretched so thin and losing so many pilots during the GCW.  So yea the Outer Rim is huge but if you do run into an Xwing good chance it will be someone familiar.  But like a lot of things in star wars there is a real world explaniation they had to work around....namely its cheaper to use someone already on the pay role for a couple of seconds of screen time than hiring a new actor.







Man people just can't let the egg thing go.  Some are just ready to "cancel" Baby Yoda.  I really hate this current climate around art and entertainment.  You can't just not like something....you have to try and wipe it from existence.  There is a conversation there but its topic is Verboten.
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« Reply #214 on: November 12, 2020, 04:06:16 PM »



Man people just can't let the egg thing go.  Some are just ready to "cancel" Baby Yoda.  I really hate this current climate around art and entertainment.  You can't just not like something....you have to try and wipe it from existence.  There is a conversation there but its topic is Verboten.
Let me just say that while I found the egg thing “disturbing” I never hated it or disliked it so much it changed my view of the show or of the baby character. I agree some of these people are taking it too far and making a huge deal of it.
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« Reply #215 on: November 12, 2020, 04:11:48 PM »

I love when a show surprises me ... and I love to discover a baby Yoda that is not only a cute thing for merchandising ... And I love that even after being saved by the mother, he still eat an egg. That may be disturbing but it is a very interesting development ...


On the other hand, I have a 4 YO daughter ... good luck to make her listen to you if you ask her to not eat something she wants to eat ....  Grin
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« Reply #216 on: November 12, 2020, 05:27:15 PM »

I love when a show surprises me ... and I love to discover a baby Yoda that is not only a cute thing for merchandising ... And I love that even after being saved by the mother, he still eat an egg. That may be disturbing but it is a very interesting development ...


On the other hand, I have a 4 YO daughter ... good luck to make her listen to you if you ask her to not eat something she wants to eat ....  Grin

Right, people are forgetting he's still a baby with no moral compass.  Mando may be protective but he isn't exactly raising a productive member of society.
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« Reply #217 on: November 12, 2020, 05:43:40 PM »

Storywise I think it has to do with the New Republic being stretched so thin and losing so many pilots during the GCW.  So yea the Outer Rim is huge but if you do run into an Xwing good chance it will be someone familiar.  But like a lot of things in star wars there is a real world explaniation they had to work around....namely its cheaper to use someone already on the pay role for a couple of seconds of screen time than hiring a new actor.
That makes even less sense. The Rebel Alliance was small. The New Republic is big. They should have their pick of the litter for new pilots. NTM the number of Imp pilots that jumped ship to be on the new winning side. Strategically speaking, if the New Republic was that stretched for manpower, they would place it where it was needed most, not patrolling the Rim. I would like to think that, yes there are several NR garrisons stationed across the Rim with hundreds of pilots. But they would still be stretched thin due to the size of it.

But seriously, I can't even remember if he even had any lines. How difficult would it have been to grab a random set hand, throw 'em in a flight suit, and tell them to sit down, shut up and look pretty? For me, what now makes even less sense (but it may be due to a lack of military procedural understanding) but if we saw Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum, and Tweedle Dipshell all show up in response the the emergency transponder from the prison ship, wouldn't it make sense to have them fly as a squad? So if Filoni were there, the other two director-pilots should be there as well.

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Man people just can't let the egg thing go.  Some are just ready to "cancel" Baby Yoda.  I really hate this current climate around art and entertainment.  You can't just not like something....you have to try and wipe it from existence.  There is a conversation there but its topic is Verboten.
I feel you on that. Something about "It doesn't fill me with warm fuzzies, so it has to labeled 'evil' and must be destroyed"? Roll Eyes

Let me just say that while I found the egg thing “disturbing” I never hated it or disliked it so much it changed my view of the show or of the baby character. I agree some of these people are taking it too far and making a huge deal of it.
I actually like that it is disturbing people. NEWS FLASH: if you don't discipline your children, they will do whatever the hell they want regardless of your "rules" of what is right and wrong. Go figure.

Right, people are forgetting he's still a baby with no moral compass.  Mando may be protective but he isn't exactly raising a productive member of society.
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« Reply #218 on: November 13, 2020, 09:47:22 AM »

Bryce Dallas Howard for this one .... and it is a nice one that makes me impatient for the next one !!!

Will wait for some of you watched it before chatting about it Wink
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« Reply #219 on: November 13, 2020, 12:41:59 PM »

Now THAT was an episode.   So on to spoilers.....


Even though it wasn't Sherlock level detecting I'm smug about my theory that the Din's  group was a fringe clan being right.

Bo Katan translated amazingly to live action...helps Katee Sackoff voiced her in Clone Wars.

Maybe Baby Yoda's care of the little pollywogs will silence the outraged groups.

Then they just name drop Ahsoka...no coyness, hinting or anything.  Just Boom..."Go see Ahsoka Tano".   Now that raises the questions:  Is Sabine with her?  Did they find Ezra and Thrawn?  Does she have any plans of seeking Luke?
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« Reply #220 on: November 13, 2020, 12:55:55 PM »

Now THAT was an episode.   So on to spoilers.....


Even though it wasn't Sherlock level detecting I'm smug about my theory that the Din's  group was a fringe clan being right.

Bo Katan translated amazingly to live action...helps Katee Sackoff voiced her in Clone Wars.

Maybe Baby Yoda's care of the little pollywogs will silence the outraged groups.

Then they just name drop Ahsoka...no coyness, hinting or anything.  Just Boom..."Go see Ahsoka Tano".   Now that raises the questions:  Is Sabine with her?  Did they find Ezra and Thrawn?  Does she have any plans of seeking Luke?

Yess !!!! But she should be 55 or 60 ... maybe Bo Katan is the heiress of Bo Katan ... and she wanted to advenge her mother for the Black Saber ... OR maybe it is just an aging issue #Obi Wan

Interesting it will be to watch how Mando will consider the fact that there are true Mandalorian that have other interpretation of the WAY ...


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« Reply #221 on: November 13, 2020, 01:03:21 PM »

Yess !!!! But she should be 55 or 60 ... maybe Bo Katan is the heiress of Bo Katan ... and she wanted to advenge her mother for the Black Saber ... OR maybe it is just an aging issue #Obi Wan

Interesting it will be to watch how Mando will consider the fact that there are true Mandalorian that have other interpretation of the WAY ...




Depends on how old Bo was during the clone wars.  If she was 20 or so it would match up since Katie Sackoff is 40.
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« Reply #222 on: November 13, 2020, 01:42:45 PM »

Depends on how old Bo was during the clone wars.  If she was 20 or so it would match up since Katie Sackoff is 40.

Only 20 Year between TCW and The Mandalorian ?? I though it was 30 ...

So, if you are right, this is not an aging issue Wink


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« Reply #223 on: November 13, 2020, 01:49:43 PM »

Only 20 Year between TCW and The Mandalorian ?? I though it was 30 ...

So, if you are right, this is not an aging issue Wink




hmm no you are actually right...still easily explainable that she just ages well.
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« Reply #224 on: November 13, 2020, 01:54:24 PM »

hmm no you are actually right...still easily explainable that she just ages well.

Yep ... i checked and it is 28 years ...

Assuming she was 18 during TCW, she is 46 during The Mandalorian ... So, aging is OK and it is not a daughter Tongue



By the Way : Very nice episode to me Smiley




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