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« on: May 18, 2020, 09:43:31 AM »

In the Legends canon, specifically in the Old Republic era, lightsaber blade colors had meaning. Green was for the Jedi Consular, who followed a more Force-focused path, blue was for the Jedi Guardian, who was more combat focused, and yellow was for Jedi Sentinels, who were multi-talented and had a wide range of tasks such as recon, technical expertise, etc.

With the Disney canon, this distinction is gone. You get a saber and the Kyber crystal changes color based on the connection it makes with the Force user.

However, does some of that distinction still kind of exist even though it's not explicit? I think Obi-Wan and Anakin squarely fit the Jedi Guardian path, Yoda in the Consular path, etc.

My question is: do we have clear contradictions of this in the Disney canon? Like someone focused on lightsaber combat who had a green saber, or someone focused on the Force with a blue saber? I thought maybe you lore experts would know.

I ask because, while the distinction may no longer technically exist, there still could be a larger sample of combat focused Jedi with blue sabers versus green which may indicate such a distinction is not totally without merit.

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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2020, 10:58:43 AM »

I think the problem with this question is, how many people in the current Disney cannon have built their own lightsaber?

I can think of three: Ben Solo, Leia Organa Solo, and Rey.

Ben's was originally Blue, Leia's was Blue, and Rey's is Yellow.

Sticking to in universe history/story, I think the lightsaber colors losing their meaning has more to do with the lack of people with lightsabers. There aren't very many (pretty much one at this point that we know of) running around with one. I think with the fall of the jedi order there became no point to specific colors being used by specific groups. And I'm of the opinion that this would apply whether Disney had bought Star Wars or not. So I'm not sure it's a Disney thing as much as a "that's they way the universe is now" thing. Even going back to the EU, I don't think the colors had their previous meanings, possibly because no one knew what the previous meanings were (or they just didn't care, as they had more important things to worry about than whether they were carrying the correct lightsaber color to reflect their views).
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2020, 01:56:10 PM »

I think the problem with this question is, how many people in the current Disney cannon have built their own lightsaber?

I can think of three: Ben Solo, Leia Organa Solo, and Rey.

Ben's was originally Blue, Leia's was Blue, and Rey's is Yellow.

I had to read that a few times before I understood. You mean the lightsabers built in the content made since Disney took control of the Star Wars license includes these three sabers. Okay. I see what you meant. When I said the "Disney canon" I was including all 10 films (including "The Clone Wars") and the Clone Wars series, which had a ton of lightsabers made by Jedi, Sith and everything in between.

But I see what you mean, I think: has Disney changed what the lightsaber colors mean since they bought the rights to the story? That's a good question and, like you said, there are limited new lightsabers introduced in the sequel trilogy.

Some people made the connection with Rey's saber being yellow to the yellow lightsabers of the Old Republic Jedi Sentinels who were good with their hands, technology, etc., as Rey has been since she was a child. It was an interesting theory, but since all the Old Republic material has been deemed non-canon by Disney, it's only a theory. Can't really back it up with canonical material.

Even going back to the EU, I don't think the colors had their previous meanings, possibly because no one knew what the previous meanings were (or they just didn't care, as they had more important things to worry about than whether they were carrying the correct lightsaber color to reflect their views).

Yeah, you're right. In the older books, comics, video games, etc., color really had no connection to roles of Jedi within the Order. It was just kind of like "what looks cool for this character" or "what matches their personality". Although red lightsabers were pretty consistently used for Dark Jedi and blue and green for Jedi (excepting cases where a Jedi turned dark and used a blue saber, like Exar Kun).

It wasn't really until the "Knights of the Old Republic" game and the subsequent material based in the Old Republic ("Knights of the Old Republic II", "The Old Republic" MMO game, the related books and comics, etc.), where this idea of lightsaber colors being tied to the role of the Jedi arose.

I was just thinking of Jedi in "The Clone Wars" series. Did they try to tie color of the lightsaber with their personality? I think the purple saber of Mace Windu fits thematically with his character (and not just because Samuel Jackson wanted it, which was the actual reason) as he danced on the edge of the darkside in his lightsaber combat (so mixing blue + red = purple). And Jedi like Yoda and Qui Gonn having a very spiritual connection to the Force while not being really that focused on lightsaber combat. And Jedi like Anakin and Obi-Wan who excelled at lightsaber combat having a blue saber.

In the Clone Wars, we do see that yellow double-bladed sabers are exclusively used by the Jedi Temple Guards. So there is a little bit of that mentality of "saber and color being tied to the role of the Jedi", even if it wasn't the same from "The Old Republic" games and material.

But I guess there are many Jedi who were excellent at lightsaber combat and used a green saber (like Kit Fisto), but I don't know if that was really their focus.

Anyways, rambling at this point.
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2020, 06:10:48 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2020, 11:29:17 AM »

Much like the Question of about the Inquisitors in another Thread...this is chalked up to Video Game Mechanics.  The Colors for Classes was merely a way to tell them apart for gamers.  In the main EU Lightsabers colors were dependent on the type of crystal used.  Ilum Crystals produced either Green or Blue and they were the most common. 

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Been in the rumors for a while...especially since it became known Lucas was a frequent visitor to the set of the Mandalorian and Faveru and Filoni would pick his brain.  Faveru even said they have an Open door policy for Lucas.
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2020, 11:32:52 AM »

Much like the Question of about the Inquisitors in another Thread...this is chalked up to Video Game Mechanics.  The Colors for Classes was merely a way to tell them apart for gamers.  In the main EU Lightsabers colors were dependent on the type of crystal used.  Ilum Crystals produced either Green or Blue and they were the most common.  

Been in the rumors for a while...especially since it became known Lucas was a frequent visitor to the set of the Mandalorian and Faveru and Filoni would pick his brain.  Faveru even said they have an Open door policy for Lucas.
I've heard this goes deeper. Now that the ST is finished, I heard they are completely taking away all creative control from KK, and endeavoring to bypass if not retcon everything done up to now.

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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2020, 12:36:35 PM »

I've heard this goes deeper. Now that the ST is finished, I heard they are completely taking away all creative control from KK, and endeavoring to bypass if not retcon everything done up to now.

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I've heard the same.  The New Bob is supposed to want to recon a lot that came from the Sequel Trilogy when his power becomes complete...  damage is done though.  There is a lot they can move forward on and maybe even fix..... But Luke's character assassination isn't one of them.
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2020, 01:20:11 PM »

I've heard the same.  The New Bob is supposed to want to recon a lot that came from the Sequel Trilogy when his power becomes complete...  damage is done though.  There is a lot they can move forward on and maybe even fix..... But Luke's character assassination isn't one of them.
Well........... Roll Eyes the hard solution is to simply de-canonize the ST. Yes, it will mean that there was a $#!%-ton of time and money that went into making something that is no longer canon, but take a look at the OCEU that was thrown out with the rest of the garbage. That took decades to create, and with one blasphemous word, they were gone.

BUT, on the other side of it, you could look at the ST as being something experimental that both re-surged public interest, grew interest in a new generation, and gauged what the old fans really wanted moving forward. Make it all a bad dream, THEN make what REALLY HAPPENED after the Battle of Endor.

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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2020, 12:55:46 PM »

Well........... Roll Eyes the hard solution is to simply de-canonize the ST. Yes, it will mean that there was a $#!%-ton of time and money that went into making something that is no longer canon, but take a look at the OCEU that was thrown out with the rest of the garbage. That took decades to create, and with one blasphemous word, they were gone.

BUT, on the other side of it, you could look at the ST as being something experimental that both re-surged public interest, grew interest in a new generation, and gauged what the old fans really wanted moving forward. Make it all a bad dream, THEN make what REALLY HAPPENED after the Battle of Endor.

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That was actually a way JJ could have both gave the finger to RJ (who's petty enough to scribble over someone else's name on the falcon to add his???) and calmed the fandom by retconning RJ's garbage of a movie (personnal opinion) by beginning his second movie with Luke waking up from a force nightmare of sorts...

But as much as I hate the ST, that I consider noncanon, I believe you are right, I do hope it reignited a flame in the youngest people for SW =)
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2020, 11:11:00 PM »

And to be back on topic, I still hold some truth to those colors particularities though I often do not respect them myself in the games I play.
I hate their new explanation for colors such as bleeding and the rest. So I'd rather stick with the old canon justification. Sourcing. =)

Plus, there were some consular really good at lightsaber combat... Yoda for one =)
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2020, 01:18:16 PM »

All this Canon stuff fascinates me.  I need to dive deep into this.
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2021, 08:11:09 PM »

I checked these rumors and they seem to be untrue. I personally have no objection to Filoni's work.
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2021, 01:48:03 PM »

At the start it was basically bad guys red, good guys blue and then green was “I’m my own man now.”

I kind of have mixed feelings about assigning particular meanings to the colors though red fits the Sith very well as it’s a color often associated with anger. I kind of feel like the color should just be something that fits the character using it or even just looks cool when put against the rest of their design. Green really pops on Luke with the black of his costume. Kind of like Green Lantern.
 
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2021, 06:26:34 PM »

Something interesting that I was thinking about the other day is that after Qui-Gon returns to the Temple in TPM, he never mentions that Maul had a Red saber, only that "He was trained in the Jedi arts". Though that does not necessarily mean anything, it is interesting to think about the fact that Qui-Gon never even considered the fact that it was Red, therefor it probably meant nothing to him, and he had probably seen Red sabers before.
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2021, 06:36:12 PM »

Something interesting that I was thinking about the other day is that after Qui-Gon returns to the Temple in TPM, he never mentions that Maul had a Red saber, only that "He was trained in the Jedi arts". Though that does not necessarily mean anything, it is interesting to think about the fact that Qui-Gon never even considered the fact that it was Red, therefor it probably meant nothing to him, and he had probably seen Red sabers before.
That is a very interesting point. And calling them the "Jedi arts" is itself an interesting thing to say, although I suppose if the Sith were believed to be "extinct" for some time, then the Jedi would be the only ones trained to use lightsabers, so anyone using them would likely be viewed as knowing the "Jedi arts," even if they aren't actually exclusive to the Jedi in reality, for if no one knows the Sith still exist, no one would likely think that they were teaching anyone anything.
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