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Title: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Infinit01 on May 23, 2019, 12:14:58 PM
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Get an exclusive, behind-the-scenes look at Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. Annie Leibovitz photographs the places and faces behind the film.

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HOT TAKE
Members of the crew shade and shine Daniels, the only cast member to appear in all nine of the Skywalker films, while BB-8 looks on.

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J.J. Abrams, alongside Stunt Coordinator Eunice Huthart, directs the Knights of Ren; elite fearsome enforcers of Kylo Ren’s dark will.

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FIRST LOOK
Vanity Fair reveals Keri Russell as the masked scoundrel Zorri Bliss, seen in the Thieves’ Quarter of the snow-dusted world Kijimi.

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FORCE MAJEURE
First Order leaders General Hux (Domhnall Gleeson) and Allegiant General Pryde (Richard E. Grant) on the bridge of Kylo Ren’s destroyer.

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DESERT POWER
Joonas Suotamo (Chewbacca), Ridley, Anthony Daniels (C-3PO), and John Boyega (Finn) await the call to action for a chase scene.

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SANDBLAST
Camera operator Colin Anderson readies a take for a chase sequence spotlighting the heroics of Chewbacca, BB-8, and Rey

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PUNCH IT!
In a historic reunion, Lando Calrissian (Billy Dee Williams) retakes the helm of the Millennium Falcon, joined by Poe Dameron (Oscar Isaac), Chewbacca, D-O, and BB-8. “He’s a survivor,” Williams says of Lando.

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(http://HORSING AROUND)
Finn and new ally Jannah (Naomi Ackie), atop hardy orbaks, lead the charge against the mechanized forces of the First Order. “It’s extremely surreal to be in it,” says Ackie, “and see how it works from the inside.”

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Camera operator Colin Anderson readies a

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WELL MET
Jordanian locals play the Aki-Aki, natives of the planet Pasaana.

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STAR CROSSED
Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) and Rey battle it out with lightsabers in a stormy confrontation. Their Force-connection—what Driver calls their “maybe-bond”—will turn out to run even deeper than previously revealed.

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Director and co-writer J. J. Abrams and crew weather the Jordanian sun to capture the action on planet Pasaana.

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ENCORE
Composer John Williams conducting the Star Wars score, drawing on themes and motifs he has woven across four decades. “I didn’t think there would ever be a second film,” he says.

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FROM THE ASHES
Mark Hamill, as Luke, with R2-D2. Speculation is rampant about who will “rise” as the Skywalker of the movie’s title—and how that choice will reflect the way the world has changed since Star Wars debuted in 1977.

(https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce426180c67926f7fea405f/master/w_480,c_limit/2019-06-summer-cover-01.png)

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Source: Vanity Fair
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/photos/2019/05/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-exclusive-photos (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/photos/2019/05/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-exclusive-photos)


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: TheDutchman on May 23, 2019, 07:09:57 PM
([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce426178d58ba426c1f921f/master/w_1020,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-opener.jpg[/url])

Get an exclusive, behind-the-scenes look at Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. Annie Leibovitz photographs the places and faces behind the film.

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce42614b48e472f83da5cbb/master/w_480,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-embed-02.jpg[/url])
HOT TAKE
Members of the crew shade and shine Daniels, the only cast member to appear in all nine of the Skywalker films, while BB-8 looks on.

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce455d3aa8a176cc69e3f8d/master/w_700,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-embed-15.jpg[/url])
J.J. Abrams, alongside Stunt Coordinator Eunice Huthart, directs the Knights of Ren; elite fearsome enforcers of Kylo Ren’s dark will.

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce445b78d58ba426c1f9225/master/w_700,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-embed-09%2520(1).jpg)[/url]
FIRST LOOK
Vanity Fair reveals Keri Russell as the masked scoundrel Zorri Bliss, seen in the Thieves’ Quarter of the snow-dusted world Kijimi.

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce42616aa8a176cc69e3f85/master/w_700,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-embed-08.jpg[/url])
FORCE MAJEURE
First Order leaders General Hux (Domhnall Gleeson) and Allegiant General Pryde (Richard E. Grant) on the bridge of Kylo Ren’s destroyer.

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce426140c67926f7fea4054/master/w_700,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-embed-01%2520(1).jpg)[/url]
DESERT POWER
Joonas Suotamo (Chewbacca), Ridley, Anthony Daniels (C-3PO), and John Boyega (Finn) await the call to action for a chase scene.

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce426140c67926f7fea4055/master/w_700,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-embed-03-test.jpg[/url])
SANDBLAST
Camera operator Colin Anderson readies a take for a chase sequence spotlighting the heroics of Chewbacca, BB-8, and Rey

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce426161c0b0773cacd1123/master/w_700,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-embed-07.jpg[/url])
PUNCH IT!
In a historic reunion, Lando Calrissian (Billy Dee Williams) retakes the helm of the Millennium Falcon, joined by Poe Dameron (Oscar Isaac), Chewbacca, D-O, and BB-8. “He’s a survivor,” Williams says of Lando.

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce426150c67926f7fea4057/master/w_700,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-embed-06.jpg[/url])
([url]http://HORSING[/url] AROUND)
Finn and new ally Jannah (Naomi Ackie), atop hardy orbaks, lead the charge against the mechanized forces of the First Order. “It’s extremely surreal to be in it,” says Ackie, “and see how it works from the inside.”

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce426160c67926f7fea405c/master/w_700,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-embed-12.jpg[/url])
Camera operator Colin Anderson readies a

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce426151d6b8739f44c2f86/master/w_700,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-embed-04.jpg[/url])
WELL MET
Jordanian locals play the Aki-Aki, natives of the planet Pasaana.

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce426151c0b0773cacd1121/master/w_700,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-embed-05.jpg[/url])
STAR CROSSED
Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) and Rey battle it out with lightsabers in a stormy confrontation. Their Force-connection—what Driver calls their “maybe-bond”—will turn out to run even deeper than previously revealed.

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce426160c67926f7fea405d/master/w_700,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-embed-14.jpg[/url])
Director and co-writer J. J. Abrams and crew weather the Jordanian sun to capture the action on planet Pasaana.

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce426160c67926f7fea4059/master/w_700,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-embed-11.jpg[/url])
ENCORE
Composer John Williams conducting the Star Wars score, drawing on themes and motifs he has woven across four decades. “I didn’t think there would ever be a second film,” he says.

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce4483a0c67926f7fea4069/master/w_700,c_limit/star-wars-feature-vf-2019-summer-embed-10%2520(1).jpg)[/url]
FROM THE ASHES
Mark Hamill, as Luke, with R2-D2. Speculation is rampant about who will “rise” as the Skywalker of the movie’s title—and how that choice will reflect the way the world has changed since Star Wars debuted in 1977.

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce426180c67926f7fea405f/master/w_480,c_limit/2019-06-summer-cover-01.png[/url])

([url]https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ce426181d6b8739f44c2f8a/master/w_480,c_limit/2019-06-summer-cover-02.png[/url])

Source: Vanity Fair
[url]https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/photos/2019/05/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-exclusive-photos[/url] ([url]https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/photos/2019/05/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-exclusive-photos[/url])

Oh SWEET!

Loving some of these pics; thanks for posting Infinit01!

Point!


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Infinit01 on May 23, 2019, 07:13:45 PM
You're welcome, glad that you enjoyed them


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Logos on May 23, 2019, 08:02:07 PM
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50 years and Lando hasn't changed his outfit? Because obviously SW fans are too stupid to figure out it's Lando without another nostalgic throwback. Thanks Jar-Jar.


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Anybody else seeing a Rocketeer ripoff?

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Let's hope Finn's new girlfriend doesn't stop him from saving the day this time.

Also, don't these mounts look a little familiar?

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Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Tepes on May 23, 2019, 08:24:38 PM


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Let's hope Finn's new girlfriend doesn't stop him from saving the day this time.





I cant stop staring at how she is holding that bow...


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Logos on May 23, 2019, 08:47:49 PM
I cant stop staring at how she is holding that bow...
That'll probably be the least of our woes. :P


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Tepes on May 23, 2019, 08:50:27 PM
That'll probably be the least of our woes. :P


*sigh* you're probably right.....


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: TheDutchman on May 24, 2019, 02:59:58 AM
That'll probably be the least of our woes. :P
Give that man a prize!

...or a Point  ;)


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Taegin Roan on May 24, 2019, 05:59:26 AM
50 years and Lando hasn't changed his outfit? Because obviously SW fans are too stupid to figure out it's Lando without another nostalgic throwback. Thanks Jar-Jar.

Anybody else seeing a Rocketeer ripoff?

Let's hope Finn's new girlfriend doesn't stop him from saving the day this time.

Also, don't these mounts look a little familiar?

And there's the Logos bash. We all know you strongly dislike the sequel trilogy, but if you don't have anything good to say, just don't say anything at all. I have my fair share of problems with the sequels, but I don't hate on them every single chance I get.

As for "Finn's new girlfriend", I'm guessing it is either Finn's sister, or Lando's daughter.

And do you really find it hard to believe that Lando might just like to wear a yellow shirt? Obviously it isn't the same one as from Solo, that one was torn to shreds.


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Logos on May 24, 2019, 01:49:57 PM
And there's the Logos bash. We all know you strongly dislike the sequel trilogy, but if you don't have anything good to say, just don't say anything at all. I have my fair share of problems with the sequels, but I don't hate on them every single chance I get.

As for "Finn's new girlfriend", I'm guessing it is either Finn's sister, or Lando's daughter.

And do you really find it hard to believe that Lando might just like to wear a yellow shirt? Obviously it isn't the same one as from Solo, that one was torn to shreds.
Right now I'm just poking fun. Yes I know he's changed clothes. DUH! Billy Dee isn't exactly a slim young man anymore, so sizing would be an issue. Yes I've considered that he just digs the look (kinda like I dig T-shirt and jeans), but change up the color palette. I actually was happy that they made it a character trait in Solo; Lando digs capes. He wore one in ESB. He wore one with his uniform in ROTJ. And then in Solo they just made that his style, he has a whole closet full of capes. But honestly, JJ's seeming obsession with throw backs leaves a foul taste.


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: PsychoSith on May 24, 2019, 02:06:15 PM
Excited to hear more on Kylo and Rey's force-bond


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Logos on May 24, 2019, 04:52:40 PM
Excited to hear more on Kylo and Rey's force-bond
According to the last movie, that bond was Snoke's doing.


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Knox on May 24, 2019, 05:01:54 PM
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FIRST LOOK
Vanity Fair reveals Keri Russell as the masked scoundrel Zorri Bliss, seen in the Thieves’ Quarter of the snow-dusted world Kijimi.
While it does remind me a little of the Rocketeer, that is no bad thing. I LOVE the Rocketeer and Keri Russell is an extremely talented actress. This is definitely my favourite photo of the lot.

According to the interview, Kylo Ren is "mowing down the Knights of Ren" in the trailer :o


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Samhain138 on May 24, 2019, 05:26:17 PM
Poor Anthony Daniels having to wear that death suit on location.  That mans a champion.

Having a pretty dang accurate Kylo suit, that capes like the tin foil on a baked potato.  These poor guys.

That boy with the gun arm....I want to make that happen.


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Tepes on May 24, 2019, 05:28:07 PM
While it does remind me a little of the Rocketeer, that is no bad thing. I LOVE the Rocketeer and Keri Russell is an extremely talented actress. This is definitely my favourite photo of the lot.

According to the interview, Kylo Ren is "mowing down the Knights of Ren" in the trailer :o

So.....Why?  This is one of the main sticking points of TLJ....The Knights of Ren were built up in name and Rey's Vision....but then...nothing.  Now Kylo is killing them?  This movie has a lot of work ahead of it.


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Logos on May 24, 2019, 05:51:39 PM
So.....Why?  This is one of the main sticking points of TLJ....The Knights of Ren were built up in name and Rey's Vision....but then...nothing.  Now Kylo is killing them?  This movie has a lot of work ahead of it.
Because you're supposed to go read all the books and comics, and watch the TV shows.


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Knox on May 24, 2019, 06:19:21 PM
Because you're supposed to go read all the books and comics, and watch the TV shows.
Then that's bad filmmaking. Personally I don't follow any of the EU stuff by choice (I just don't want to). When I watch a movie, I shouldn't have to go a read a book/comic afterwards or watch a tv show to fully explain everything that happened.

To my mind, any EU stuff should expand the universe, introduce new characters/planets/droids/ships etc but not contradict anything in the movies and be somewhat separate so someone can just watch the movies as they are presented. If they then choose to go off and follow the EU stuff that is their decision.

When I was a teenager reading Marvel comics, in a Spiderman comic they would make a brief reference to an event/situation/battle that happened in a Fantastic Four comic. If I wanted to go and buy that issue of the FF to find out more about what happened, great. But if I didn't it had no effect on the Spiderman story I was currently reading.

By shifting the franchise in such a way that movie audiences also have to do required reading beforehand or afterwards, the powers-that-be over at Lucasfilm will only succeed in damaging the brand.


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Logos on May 24, 2019, 06:44:53 PM
Then that's bad filmmaking. Personally I don't follow any of the EU stuff by choice (I just don't want to). When I watch a movie, I shouldn't have to go a read a book/comic afterwards or watch a tv show to fully explain everything that happened.

To my mind, any EU stuff should expand the universe, introduce new characters/planets/droids/ships etc but not contradict anything in the movies and be somewhat separate so someone can just watch the movies as they are presented. If they then choose to go off and follow the EU stuff that is their decision.

When I was a teenager reading Marvel comics, in a Spiderman comic they would make a brief reference to an event/situation/battle that happened in a Fantastic Four comic. If I wanted to go and buy that issue of the FF to find out more about what happened, great. But if I didn't it had no effect on the Spiderman story I was currently reading.

By shifting the franchise in such a way that movie audiences also have to do required reading beforehand or afterwards, the powers-that-be over at Lucasfilm will only succeed in damaging the brand.
EXACTLY! When did the original canon first branch out away from the movies? If memory serves, the OT was finished before spin-off stories started popping up. One aspect that should have been made a bench mark: make the movies so that you don't need additional information to make sense of what's happening in the movies.


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Knox on May 24, 2019, 07:00:16 PM
EXACTLY! When did the original canon first branch out away from the movies? If memory serves, the OT was finished before spin-off stories started popping up. One aspect that should have been made a bench mark: make the movies so that you don't need additional information to make sense of what's happening in the movies.
I think it's important to remember that when the OT came out the story was done. The landscape of cinema was also very different; yes sequels have been around forever (especially in the 80s and 90s), however Star Wars has also been considered unique. Ep 4 changed the face of cinema forever in many many ways and the popularity of the OT of course meant that there would be spin-offs (books, comics, cartoons, etc).

What is now considered "Legends" was never officially considered canon. One of the reasons for Disney wiping the slate clean was because Lucas had a coloured tier system to the Legends stories. And while (from what I've heard) some of them were amazing, there was also a lot of crap in there. When Lucas sold the franchise to Disney, they were attempting to make things more streamlined for existing fans as well as having easier entry points for new fans. The problem is though, they almost seem to be scared to give us anything new away from the legacy characters that are so beloved.

As I said, I'm no expert on the EU, but from the little bits I've gleaned here and there, there are masses of stories being told about Luke, Leia, Han, Vader and the Empire. While there are gaps inbetween the movies, that doesn't mean that we have to fill them in with every story we can think of. Anyone who knows their astrophysics will know that a galaxy is a big place. Why not create some new stories in other parts of the galaxy with new characters and ships, showing us new adventures and the effects of the Empire/First Order on other people.

I was surprised to find out that Holdo (purple haired Laura Dern) has a whole backstory connection with Leia that plays out in a comic or book somewhere. That's nice and all, but if she's that important a character, why not have her Akbar sacrifice himself to take out the First Order fleet, have Holdo survive and explore that relationship through new movies?

I know this is coming close to sounding like a hate rant, and it's not. Apart from Solo, I have enjoyed all the current Star Wars movies. I just think they are flirting with disaster if they continue down this road.


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Logos on May 24, 2019, 08:37:26 PM
I think it's important to remember that when the OT came out the story was done. The landscape of cinema was also very different; yes sequels have been around forever (especially in the 80s and 90s), however Star Wars has also been considered unique. Ep 4 changed the face of cinema forever in many many ways and the popularity of the OT of course meant that there would be spin-offs (books, comics, cartoons, etc).

What is now considered "Legends" was never officially considered canon. One of the reasons for Disney wiping the slate clean was because Lucas had a coloured tier system to the Legends stories. And while (from what I've heard) some of them were amazing, there was also a lot of crap in there. When Lucas sold the franchise to Disney, they were attempting to make things more streamlined for existing fans as well as having easier entry points for new fans. The problem is though, they almost seem to be scared to give us anything new away from the legacy characters that are so beloved.

As I said, I'm no expert on the EU, but from the little bits I've gleaned here and there, there are masses of stories being told about Luke, Leia, Han, Vader and the Empire. While there are gaps inbetween the movies, that doesn't mean that we have to fill them in with every story we can think of. Anyone who knows their astrophysics will know that a galaxy is a big place. Why not create some new stories in other parts of the galaxy with new characters and ships, showing us new adventures and the effects of the Empire/First Order on other people.

I was surprised to find out that Holdo (purple haired Laura Dern) has a whole backstory connection with Leia that plays out in a comic or book somewhere. That's nice and all, but if she's that important a character, why not have her Akbar sacrifice himself to take out the First Order fleet, have Holdo survive and explore that relationship through new movies?

I know this is coming close to sounding like a hate rant, and it's not. Apart from Solo, I have enjoyed all the current Star Wars movies. I just think they are flirting with disaster if they continue down this road.
Again, EXACTLY!. What really cemented my loathing of this rotten crop was LEGO TFA. There were over 200 playable characters....with NAMES. WTF? Most of them were of people/things that were on screen for 2sec at best. What was really annoying about it was knowing what characters had what functions. They weren't on screen long enough to establish what they were. But Force forbid we don't include every friggin dessert hippy being obliterated by the FO at the beginning of the movie. >:(


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Tepes on May 24, 2019, 09:00:03 PM
Because you're supposed to go read all the books and comics, and watch the TV shows.

I have....they were never mentioned again...anywhere.


EXACTLY! When did the original canon first branch out away from the movies? If memory serves, the OT was finished before spin-off stories started popping up. One aspect that should have been made a bench mark: make the movies so that you don't need additional information to make sense of what's happening in the movies.

To be technical the EU started with Splinter of the Minds Eye published in 1978...its was the intended sequel to Star Wars when Lucas thought he wasn't going to get to do another movie along with the Marvel Comics in the 70s-early 80s.  But the EU "proper" as we know it started in 1991 with The Thrawn Trilogy...which of course is considered the Gold Standard as it introduced Grand Admiral Thrawn and Mara Jade.   WHen the Prequels came out the EU had to shift dramatically to coincide with the films since many ideas and stories were contradicted by Lucas' direction. Specifically Boba Fett who the EU was hinting at being a disgraced Imperial Officer.







I think it's important to remember that when the OT came out the story was done. The landscape of cinema was also very different; yes sequels have been around forever (especially in the 80s and 90s), however Star Wars has also been considered unique. Ep 4 changed the face of cinema forever in many many ways and the popularity of the OT of course meant that there would be spin-offs (books, comics, cartoons, etc).

What is now considered "Legends" was never officially considered canon. One of the reasons for Disney wiping the slate clean was because Lucas had a coloured tier system to the Legends stories. And while (from what I've heard) some of them were amazing, there was also a lot of crap in there. When Lucas sold the franchise to Disney, they were attempting to make things more streamlined for existing fans as well as having easier entry points for new fans. The problem is though, they almost seem to be scared to give us anything new away from the legacy characters that are so beloved.

As I said, I'm no expert on the EU, but from the little bits I've gleaned here and there, there are masses of stories being told about Luke, Leia, Han, Vader and the Empire. While there are gaps inbetween the movies, that doesn't mean that we have to fill them in with every story we can think of. Anyone who knows their astrophysics will know that a galaxy is a big place. Why not create some new stories in other parts of the galaxy with new characters and ships, showing us new adventures and the effects of the Empire/First Order on other people.

I was surprised to find out that Holdo (purple haired Laura Dern) has a whole backstory connection with Leia that plays out in a comic or book somewhere. That's nice and all, but if she's that important a character, why not have her Akbar sacrifice himself to take out the First Order fleet, have Holdo survive and explore that relationship through new movies?

I know this is coming close to sounding like a hate rant, and it's not. Apart from Solo, I have enjoyed all the current Star Wars movies. I just think they are flirting with disaster if they continue down this road.
I think it's important to remember that when the OT came out the story was done. The landscape of cinema was also very different; yes sequels have been around forever (especially in the 80s and 90s), however Star Wars has also been considered unique. Ep 4 changed the face of cinema forever in many many ways and the popularity of the OT of course meant that there would be spin-offs (books, comics, cartoons, etc).

What is now considered "Legends" was never officially considered canon. One of the reasons for Disney wiping the slate clean was because Lucas had a coloured tier system to the Legends stories. And while (from what I've heard) some of them were amazing, there was also a lot of crap in there. When Lucas sold the franchise to Disney, they were attempting to make things more streamlined for existing fans as well as having easier entry points for new fans. The problem is though, they almost seem to be scared to give us anything new away from the legacy characters that are so beloved.

As I said, I'm no expert on the EU, but from the little bits I've gleaned here and there, there are masses of stories being told about Luke, Leia, Han, Vader and the Empire. While there are gaps inbetween the movies, that doesn't mean that we have to fill them in with every story we can think of. Anyone who knows their astrophysics will know that a galaxy is a big place. Why not create some new stories in other parts of the galaxy with new characters and ships, showing us new adventures and the effects of the Empire/First Order on other people.

I was surprised to find out that Holdo (purple haired Laura Dern) has a whole backstory connection with Leia that plays out in a comic or book somewhere. That's nice and all, but if she's that important a character, why not have her Akbar sacrifice himself to take out the First Order fleet, have Holdo survive and explore that relationship through new movies?

I know this is coming close to sounding like a hate rant, and it's not. Apart from Solo, I have enjoyed all the current Star Wars movies. I just think they are flirting with disaster if they continue down this road.


After the prequels The Lucasfilm Story group...which consisted of Pablo Hidalgo and Leeland Chee...who are still in Charge of the Canon...did put out a system for being canon.  Basically anything Lucas himself had a hand in (which at the time was the Films) it was The Law.  But anything that contradicted Lucas was not canon.  But anything that did not contradict Lucas could be considered canon...which covered most of the post ROTJ and Old Republic era.   For myself I did not want them to outright use the EU as a whole...but to Glean the best parts.  Which they have in a few instances.  But that is one of the problems I do have with the new canon...the introduction of SOOO many side characters in an attempt to pad the database it seems.  Now some have been good...like Dr. Aphra.  Basically she's indiana Jones if he used his knowledge for personal gain (even had Indy joke in her first appearance)  She's become a fan favorite and has the distinction of being one of the few named lesbian characters in SW.  She is the one in current canon that helped Vader discover who Luke Was.   But I digress I can agree they are bloating the SW universe instead of giving us a few good stories.  With all the stuff out there now I can only recommend The 2 Thrawn Novels, Dark Lords of the Sith and the Vader Comic series (which was fantastic.)


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Knox on May 24, 2019, 09:30:57 PM
As I said, I'm hardly an expert on the EU, Legends or canon beyond what I've seen in the movies. But, going back to original post, I'm liking what I'm seeing from this movie so far. I loved the trailer and these photos look amazing.


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: TheDutchman on May 24, 2019, 09:34:49 PM
I think it's important to remember that when the OT came out the story was done. The landscape of cinema was also very different; yes sequels have been around forever (especially in the 80s and 90s), however Star Wars has also been considered unique. Ep 4 changed the face of cinema forever in many many ways and the popularity of the OT of course meant that there would be spin-offs (books, comics, cartoons, etc).

What is now considered "Legends" was never officially considered canon. One of the reasons for Disney wiping the slate clean was because Lucas had a coloured tier system to the Legends stories. And while (from what I've heard) some of them were amazing, there was also a lot of crap in there. When Lucas sold the franchise to Disney, they were attempting to make things more streamlined for existing fans as well as having easier entry points for new fans. The problem is though, they almost seem to be scared to give us anything new away from the legacy characters that are so beloved.

As I said, I'm no expert on the EU, but from the little bits I've gleaned here and there, there are masses of stories being told about Luke, Leia, Han, Vader and the Empire. While there are gaps inbetween the movies, that doesn't mean that we have to fill them in with every story we can think of. Anyone who knows their astrophysics will know that a galaxy is a big place. Why not create some new stories in other parts of the galaxy with new characters and ships, showing us new adventures and the effects of the Empire/First Order on other people.

I was surprised to find out that Holdo (purple haired Laura Dern) has a whole backstory connection with Leia that plays out in a comic or book somewhere. That's nice and all, but if she's that important a character, why not have her Akbar sacrifice himself to take out the First Order fleet, have Holdo survive and explore that relationship through new movies?

I know this is coming close to sounding like a hate rant, and it's not. Apart from Solo, I have enjoyed all the current Star Wars movies. I just think they are flirting with disaster if they continue down this road.
Once again Knox, this is cogent, eloquent, and concisely on point.  And I can understand the need for Disney to relegate what came before under the "Legends" banner; easier for them to do so.
Unfortunately, IMO Disney REALLY did a GRAVE disservice in doing so as there were many excellent stories which were more than just mere supplemental material for the movies but instead enriched the SW Universe as a whole.  Admittedly, there were also many books that were...well, for brevity's sake let me say "bad."  Still: I did enjoy much of it and those stories--regardless of media (book, comic, videogame)--wonderfully complemented what the OT had established.

Then the Sequel Trilogy came out.

These movies have been disappointing to say the least (don't even get me started on TLJ...)   I do admit to liking Rogue One and I found Solo to be adequate but the ST has been an abomination.  Speaking of...
I have to say that I agree with Tepes' assessment of Disney EU: the 2 Thrawn novels and the Darth Vader comics (haven't seen/read the Dark Lords of the Sith), the rest I can do without.

One point that Knox makes I support with to the Nth degree: the SW Universe IS big AND should be explored.  In fact, I need look no further than our own Forum's Fan Fiction for some great stories.  If you have the opportunity to do so, I would HIGHLY recommend reading EVERYTHING written by Karmack, Lord_S_Gray, Taegin Roan, TheDrunkenConsular, Lady Revan.  There are also several one-off stories that (to date) are incomplete but interesting nonetheless e.g. For Tyeth, Golden Fedora, Illyiss, and Zyn.
Again: these stories supplement canon, enriching the SW Universe in an enjoyable way that we can share (much like our collective hobby of lightsabers  ;)).


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Knox on May 25, 2019, 01:11:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeW6Taxv4yc&t=320s# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeW6Taxv4yc&t=320s#)


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Taegin Roan on May 25, 2019, 01:13:02 AM
Then that's bad filmmaking. Personally I don't follow any of the EU stuff by choice (I just don't want to). When I watch a movie, I shouldn't have to go a read a book/comic afterwards or watch a tv show to fully explain everything that happened.

So far, the movies have been able to be standalone rather than needing the TV shows and books/comics to supplement. I think they will continue to be so. Certain characters like Holdo (who by the way, almost nobody likes) was given enough in TLJ for us to either say "oh, I want to learn more" or "oh, I could care less if I ever knew another fact about this character", and then they give you something that if you want to read/watch, will give you more info, but it is not necessary for the narrative of the films.

So.....Why?  This is one of the main sticking points of TLJ....The Knights of Ren were built up in name and Rey's Vision....but then...nothing.  Now Kylo is killing them?  This movie has a lot of work ahead of it.

I think JJ will do this portion of the story justice. The Knights of Ren were his creation, and he will want to see as much of his original vision fulfilled as possible. Rian did nothing with them, which leaves it open for JJ to do whatever he wants to. All Rian really did was introduce Rose and kill Ackbar, Snoke and Luke. He also gave Kylo some decent character growth and set up this "Force bond" thing with Kylo and Rey (which admittedly is the most interesting part of the sequels right now). This movie has a lot to cover, and I think it will be able to. Why Kylo is mowing down the KoR? I don't know, but I fully suspect that that might be in the third act (or at least near the end of the second act).


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Logos on May 28, 2019, 06:00:53 PM
Once again Knox, this is cogent, eloquent, and concisely on point.  And I can understand the need for Disney to relegate what came before under the "Legends" banner; easier for them to do so.
Unfortunately, IMO Disney REALLY did a GRAVE disservice in doing so as there were many excellent stories which were more than just mere supplemental material for the movies but instead enriched the SW Universe as a whole.  Admittedly, there were also many books that were...well, for brevity's sake let me say "bad."  Still: I did enjoy much of it and those stories--regardless of media (book, comic, videogame)--wonderfully complemented what the OT had established.

Then the Sequel Trilogy came out.

These movies have been disappointing to say the least (don't even get me started on TLJ...)   I do admit to liking Rogue One and I found Solo to be adequate but the ST has been an abomination.  Speaking of...
I have to say that I agree with Tepes' assessment of Disney EU: the 2 Thrawn novels and the Darth Vader comics (haven't seen/read the Dark Lords of the Sith), the rest I can do without.

One point that Knox makes I support with to the Nth degree: the SW Universe IS big AND should be explored.  In fact, I need look no further than our own Forum's Fan Fiction for some great stories.  If you have the opportunity to do so, I would HIGHLY recommend reading EVERYTHING written by Karmack, Lord_S_Gray, Taegin Roan, TheDrunkenConsular, Lady Revan.  There are also several one-off stories that (to date) are incomplete but interesting nonetheless e.g. For Tyeth, Golden Fedora, Illyiss, and Zyn.
Again: these stories supplement canon, enriching the SW Universe in an enjoyable way that we can share (much like our collective hobby of lightsabers  ;)).
Well said yourself. +1


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: PsychoSith on May 29, 2019, 01:10:10 PM
So far, the movies have been able to be standalone rather than needing the TV shows and books/comics to supplement. I think they will continue to be so. Certain characters like Holdo (who by the way, almost nobody likes) was given enough in TLJ for us to either say "oh, I want to learn more" or "oh, I could care less if I ever knew another fact about this character", and then they give you something that if you want to read/watch, will give you more info, but it is not necessary for the narrative of the films.

I think JJ will do this portion of the story justice. The Knights of Ren were his creation, and he will want to see as much of his original vision fulfilled as possible. Rian did nothing with them, which leaves it open for JJ to do whatever he wants to. All Rian really did was introduce Rose and kill Ackbar, Snoke and Luke. He also gave Kylo some decent character growth and set up this "Force bond" thing with Kylo and Rey (which admittedly is the most interesting part of the sequels right now). This movie has a lot to cover, and I think it will be able to. Why Kylo is mowing down the KoR? I don't know, but I fully suspect that that might be in the third act (or at least near the end of the second act).

I do like how the sequels are able to stand strong on  their own. Where I personally would like a little more callbacks the force-bond had me jumping out of my seat (my first true SW game was KotOR 2). I'm really eager for RoS mostly because its being touted as bringing all 9 movies together, and I admit thats an exciting prospect. Really want to see how the death star/Sheev play into this, but mostly I'm just champing at the bit for the Rey/Kylo arc. The dynamic between the two is one of if not my favorite thing about the sequels.


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Logos on May 29, 2019, 01:51:31 PM
So far, the movies have been able to be standalone rather than needing the TV shows and books/comics to supplement.
I gotta argue this. TFA, Act1, Scene1 (summarized):

"Hey Poe, we got a map to Luke Skywalker."
"Sweet. Now we have a chance to beat the new bad guys."
{enter new bad guys}
"Hey hotshot, we hear you're gonna start trouble for us. That won't do."

I had questions in the first 5 min, that were never answered in the movies.

1) How do you get a map, to find a single person in the galaxy, THAT DOESN'T WANT TO BE FOUND?
2) How the hell did new bad guys pop up, and why isn't the New Republic giving them holy hell?
3) How did the First Order even know to attack that settlement on that night?

This kinda goes against your stand alone theory. The whole map idea started off like Luke left it behind, like a "In case of galactic emergency, use map," but then we find out that Luke wanted to just run away and wait to die.



Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Infinit01 on May 29, 2019, 02:01:21 PM
1) How do you get a map, to find a single person in the galaxy, THAT DOESN'T WANT TO BE FOUND?
2) How the hell did new bad guys pop up, and why isn't the New Republic giving them holy hell?
3) How did the First Order even know to attack that settlement on that night?

It's a movie but in all seriousness, it's like the beginning of A New Hope when Leia was running away from the Star Destroyer after we're told that a band of rebels stole the plans. We didn't know about how they got the plans until 39 years later. Lots of movies and script leave a lot of things out for fans like us to theorize about which is more or less why they did that


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: PsychoSith on May 29, 2019, 02:03:18 PM
I gotta argue this. TFA, Act1, Scene1 (summarized):

"Hey Poe, we got a map to Luke Skywalker."
"Sweet. Now we have a chance to beat the new bad guys."
{enter new bad guys}
"Hey hotshot, we hear you're gonna start trouble for us. That won't do."

I had questions in the first 5 min, that were never answered in the movies.

1) How do you get a map, to find a single person in the galaxy, THAT DOESN'T WANT TO BE FOUND?
2) How the hell did new bad guys pop up, and why isn't the New Republic giving them holy hell?
3) How did the First Order even know to attack that settlement on that night?

This kinda goes against your stand alone theory. The whole map idea started off like Luke left it behind, like a "In case of galactic emergency, use map," but then we find out that Luke wanted to just run away and wait to die.



To be fair, I've had thoughts on this cause i've heard this complaint a few times,

1) It's implied that Tekka knew Skywalker on a personal level, so Luke left it with him a person he could trust, and not with the old gang who would *immediately* chase him

2) Where yes, the books do flesh this out more, from only the movies we can gather that the FO was formed from Imperial remnants, due to the visual references and spoken ones ("Maybe Snoke should have used a clone army"). The movie also very briefly goes over how the NR was de-militarized and going to exremist pacifistic lengths to ensure everyone in the galaxy would "play nice". I actually like this bit because it shows that sometimes you have to fight evil and you cant just expect it to hold your hand because you asked nicely.

3) The FO, being built on the foundation of a tyrranical authoritarian mega-empire; I would imagine has capable spies that could figure out why the Resistance's most capable combat pilot flew into a desert in the middle of nowhere alone.

As for the premise, it always seemed to me that Luke probably initially left confused and pained from the academy, but still somewhat hopeful he would find some meaning in the original jedi temple, that he would come back if needed, but when he arrived, his pain and regret festered, he grew distaste for the Jedi and resolved to live out his life there.

These are all my personal takes on it that are more than open to interpretation.


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Logos on May 29, 2019, 02:45:35 PM
It's a movie but in all seriousness, it's like the beginning of A New Hope when Leia was running away from the Star Destroyer after we're told that a band of rebels stole the plans. We didn't know about how they got the plans until 39 years later. Lots of movies and script leave a lot of things out for fans like us to theorize about which is more or less why they did that
The Rebels wanted the plans, and they stole the plans, because the Empire had to have plans in order to construct said Death Star. This was easily fleshed out verbally. Rogue One was merely the story of the how. The story of R1 could have been told 50 different ways. As long as the Rebels steal the Death Star plans, the plot of ANH would not be affected.

Luke didn't want to be found, so why would he leave a map? From what I gleaned from LEGO TFA, the map was created by some fruit loop aliens that found him (why were they looking?)[more questions].

1) It's implied that Tekka knew Skywalker on a personal level, so Luke left it with him a person he could trust, and not with the old gang who would *immediately* chase him
As previously stated: ALIENS. Why did they give the map to Tekka?

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2) Where yes, the books do flesh this out more, from only the movies we can gather that the FO was formed from Imperial remnants, due to the visual references and spoken ones ("Maybe Snoke should have used a clone army"). The movie also very briefly goes over how the NR was de-militarized and going to exremist pacifistic lengths to ensure everyone in the galaxy would "play nice". I actually like this bit because it shows that sometimes you have to fight evil and you cant just expect it to hold your hand because you asked nicely.
Honestly the FO is a pale and pathetic copy of Darth Caedus' (aka Jacen Solo) New Order, assembled from the Imperial remnant. Not sure what references you speak of, but I don't recall any of this from the movies. I always liked Tony Stark's definition: "Peace is having a bigger gun than the other guy."

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3) The FO, being built on the foundation of a tyrranical authoritarian mega-empire; I would imagine has capable spies that could figure out why the Resistance's most capable combat pilot flew into a desert in the middle of nowhere alone.
In order for you to know who's flying, you'd have to know where he's flying from (most likely Resistance HQ). If you had this info, why not screw what he's after and just blow your enemy to hell and be done with it? :-\

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As for the premise, it always seemed to me that Luke probably initially left confused and pained from the academy, but still somewhat hopeful he would find some meaning in the original jedi temple, that he would come back if needed, but when he arrived, his pain and regret festered, he grew distaste for the Jedi and resolved to live out his life there.

These are all my personal takes on it that are more than open to interpretation.
This isn't a terrible idea. But from what I've put together, the fans are far more capable, than the official writers, of putting together story ideas that actually make sense.


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Tepes on May 29, 2019, 03:02:35 PM


Luke didn't want to be found, so why would he leave a map? From what I gleaned from LEGO TFA, the map was created by some fruit loop aliens that found him (why were they looking?)[more questions].
As previously stated: ALIENS. Why did they give the map to Tekka?

It wasn't Luke leaving a map to where to find him....but the first Jedi Temple.  The Resistance were the ones that kept saying its to Luke.   Luke left it to Lor San Tekka because he was a leader of the Church of the Force.  Who better to guard such an artifact.  Think of it this way:  You have a friend who asks you to meet him at a restaurant.  You know he's going to be there, you've heard of the restaurant but don't know where it is.  So you look up the directions to the place, not the person.  But is someone asks where you are going "I'm going to meet *Blank*.   Nutshell, the map was to the First Jedi Temple which happened to be where Luke was.  Now....the fact the other half of the map just so happened to be in R2's keeping was the out there.  seriously, I just don't think they had a set plan


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: PsychoSith on May 29, 2019, 03:15:00 PM

In order for you to know who's flying, you'd have to know where he's flying from (most likely Resistance HQ). If you had this info, why not screw what he's after and just blow your enemy to hell and be done with it? :-\


Because they already had SK base. They could have destroyed them early, but every incarnation of the Empire is marred by arrogance. If they knew Poe would be going after the map, it might make more sense to them to let him lead the FO to the map where they could acquire it, use it toward their own ends then just destroy the resistance anyway. They also might have thought without the NR the resistance would just fold. It's not sound military tactics, but neither is letting an outdated shuttle code slip into the fleet just hours from a big surprise attack. As Luke said "Your arrogance is your weakness"


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Logos on May 29, 2019, 03:43:18 PM
It wasn't Luke leaving a map to where to find him....but the first Jedi Temple.  The Resistance were the ones that kept saying its to Luke.   Luke left it to Lor San Tekka because he was a leader of the Church of the Force.  Who better to guard such an artifact.  Think of it this way:  You have a friend who asks you to meet him at a restaurant.  You know he's going to be there, you've heard of the restaurant but don't know where it is.  So you look up the directions to the place, not the person.  But is someone asks where you are going "I'm going to meet *Blank*.   Nutshell, the map was to the First Jedi Temple which happened to be where Luke was.  Now....the fact the other half of the map just so happened to be in R2's keeping was the out there.  seriously, I just don't think they had a set plan
So what you're saying is that the dopey Ithorian ripoff aliens found the first Jedi Temple for Luke and made him a map, and once Luke had his course set he left the map with Tekka, and then the crap plot of TFA unfolds? This makes more sense then how it was presented in the film. But then there's that whole stupid arc of "this map doesn't match any charted area of the galaxy", but then perfectly lines up with R2's chart? If it didn't match any known chart, how was Luke able to find it? (more questions) Also, just because they had a map to a location that Luke said he was going in search of, doesn't guarantee that he stayed put. The dialogue points to this being a sure thing. Had they played it that there is a better chance that he won't be there, but it's the only lead they have, it would have been a bit more realistic.

Because they already had SK base. They could have destroyed them early, but every incarnation of the Empire is marred by arrogance. If they knew Poe would be going after the map, it might make more sense to them to let him lead the FO to the map where they could acquire it, use it toward their own ends then just destroy the resistance anyway. They also might have thought without the NR the resistance would just fold. It's not sound military tactics, but neither is letting an outdated shuttle code slip into the fleet just hours from a big surprise attack. As Luke said "Your arrogance is your weakness"
Again, how did they even know about the map? The NR was nowhere to be found in the fight, so yeah....the Resistance folded.

Also, "It's an older code, but it checks out." Not outdated. Old codes are worthless, that's how you get caught. But also, it wasn't a shuttle code, but rather a clearance code to access the area of operations, i.e. the DS2 construction site. More than likely, the Empire wanted a select few to know about the operation. Fewer mouths = fewer leaks.

And Luke's line was "Your overconfidence is your weakness." ("Your faith in your friends is yours.")


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Tepes on May 29, 2019, 03:51:33 PM
So what you're saying is that the dopey Ithorian ripoff aliens found the first Jedi Temple for Luke and made him a map, and once Luke had his course set he left the map with Tekka, and then the crap plot of TFA unfolds? This makes more sense then how it was presented in the film. But then there's that whole stupid arc of "this map doesn't match any charted area of the galaxy", but then perfectly lines up with R2's chart? If it didn't match any known chart, how was Luke able to find it? (more questions) Also, just because they had a map to a location that Luke said he was going in search of, doesn't guarantee that he stayed put. The dialogue points to this being a sure thing. Had they played it that there is a better chance that he won't be there, but it's the only lead they have, it would have been a bit more realistic.
Again, how did they even know about the map? The NR was nowhere to be found in the fight, so yeah....the Resistance folded.



Here's where the whole 'have to look outside the movie* crap comes in.  If I remember correctly Palpatine had the map and stripped the First temple of all its artifacts.  When R2 accessed the Empire's main frame in ANH he found the map. 


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: PsychoSith on May 29, 2019, 05:02:07 PM

Again, how did they even know about the map? The NR was nowhere to be found in the fight, so yeah....the Resistance folded.

Also, "It's an older code, but it checks out." Not outdated. Old codes are worthless, that's how you get caught. But also, it wasn't a shuttle code, but rather a clearance code to access the area of operations, i.e. the DS2 construction site. More than likely, the Empire wanted a select few to know about the operation. Fewer mouths = fewer leaks.

And Luke's line was "Your overconfidence is your weakness." ("Your faith in your friends is yours.")

My bad on the quote, got the meaning right though. Been awhile since i sat down and watched RoTJ.

My point with the map is every authoritarian government that we have reference to is adept at espionage. Its not surprising at all to me they knew what the resistance was up to. Not sure what you mean about the Resistance folding? I had meant the FO mightve thought they would disband after the NR got spanked, but they did not hence the arrogance overconfidence line.

As for the code, I'm aware of what it was for it was poor wording on my part. My argument is they shouldn't have had re-usable codes at all, each transport should have had a one-time use code for security. Or just not allow unscheduled vessels in at all. My whole point is that the Empire (FO as well) is arrogant and have shot themselves in the foot before.


Title: Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Photos: Meet the Characters and Go on Set
Post by: Darth Logos on May 29, 2019, 05:48:43 PM
Here's where the whole 'have to look outside the movie* crap comes in.  If I remember correctly Palpatine had the map and stripped the First temple of all its artifacts.  When R2 accessed the Empire's main frame in ANH he found the map. 
R2's part was a galactic map with a convenient hole that fits BB's secret map to Luke/Jedi Temple. So that doesn't fit your theory.

My bad on the quote, got the meaning right though. Been awhile since i sat down and watched RoTJ.
Ditto. ;) My POV on overconfidence doesn't equate to arrogance, so that's why I corrected.

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My point with the map is every authoritarian government that we have reference to is adept at espionage. Its not surprising at all to me they knew what the resistance was up to. Not sure what you mean about the Resistance folding? I had meant the FO mightve thought they would disband after the NR got spanked, but they did not hence the arrogance overconfidence line.
No doubts that the FO has its ways of getting intel. Even bounty hunting rewards. It paid off in their search for BB8. (Refresh my memory, they found out about the droid after Poe's interigation?)

As for the Resistance folding, they did fall apart because that dumpy little fighting force was equivalent to the US depending on Guam to fight Germany in WWII. It stood utterly no chance of true victory; merely a thorn in the enemy's side. And the whole notion that the Republic completely demilitarized to foster peace is beyond ridiculously naive. (Not on part of anybody in this conversation, just from the writers.)

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As for the code, I'm aware of what it was for it was poor wording on my part. My argument is they shouldn't have had re-usable codes at all, each transport should have had a one-time use code for security. Or just not allow unscheduled vessels in at all. My whole point is that the Empire (FO as well) is arrogant and have shot themselves in the foot before.
I always understood it to be a code that was on the verge of obsolescence. Still good, but only just barely. Like a driver's license that has 3 days to expiration. But then you also have to remember that our society no longer has the same understanding of security that we did back in the 80s. Case in point: Why wasn't every alarm on SKB set off for even the attempt at deactivating the shields from a remote terminal versus at the command center. It shouldn't have even made a difference that they used Phasma's authorization. Access should have been locked out, and a security detail should have been instantly sent to the offending terminal to investigate the abnormality, NTM why TF a high ranking officer took it on herself to deactivate the shields. Security has never made a lot of sense in the movies. (Hint hint: why did we lose power at a tractor beam site?)


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Post by: PsychoSith on May 29, 2019, 06:00:46 PM

I always understood it to be a code that was on the verge of obsolescence. Still good, but only just barely. Like a driver's license that has 3 days to expiration. But then you also have to remember that our society no longer has the same understanding of security that we did back in the 80s. Case in point: Why wasn't every alarm on SKB set off for even the attempt at deactivating the shields from a remote terminal versus at the command center. It shouldn't have even made a difference that they used Phasma's authorization. Access should have been locked out, and a security detail should have been instantly sent to the offending terminal to investigate the abnormality, NTM why TF a high ranking officer took it on herself to deactivate the shields. Security has never made a lot of sense in the movies. (Hint hint: why did we lose power at a tractor beam site?)

Very true :)


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Post by: Darth Tepes on May 29, 2019, 06:36:30 PM
R2's part was a galactic map with a convenient hole that fits BB's secret map to Luke/Jedi Temple. So that doesn't fit your theory.

It isn't my Theory...its the official explanation....

"We had the idea about R2 plugging into the information base of the Death Star, and that's how he was able to get the full map and find where the Jedi temples are," The Force Awakens co-writer Michael Arndt explained to EW in the aftermath of the film's release.

Abrams added that they didn't want the film to get bogged down in "how shell happened 30 years ago".

"But the idea was that in that scene where R2 plugged in, he downloaded the archives of the Empire, which was referenced by Kylo Ren," he said.



Full Article:  https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a828709/r2-d2-luke-skywalker-map-star-wars-the-force-awakens/ (https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a828709/r2-d2-luke-skywalker-map-star-wars-the-force-awakens/)


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Post by: Darth Logos on May 29, 2019, 07:10:21 PM
It isn't my Theory...its the official explanation....

"We had the idea about R2 plugging into the information base of the Death Star, and that's how he was able to get the full map and find where the Jedi temples are," The Force Awakens co-writer Michael Arndt explained to EW in the aftermath of the film's release.

Abrams added that they didn't want the film to get bogged down in "how shell happened 30 years ago".

"But the idea was that in that scene where R2 plugged in, he downloaded the archives of the Empire, which was referenced by Kylo Ren," he said.
I thought you were going on that what was shown in the movie was merely a simplistic visual that showed the piece being more laid over the whole in order to verify the data. You had my hopes up, and then I read the article.

1) I doubt that a droid that has a limited number of saved hyperspace coordinates would have enough memory to store the whole of the Imperial Archive.
2) Another frelling useless tie-in to ANH. (Why didn't we just call it Abrams' New Hack?)
3) Why the hell would BB be so stupid as to think that a random droid he's never met has the corresponding missing part of a map?
4) Didn't BB find R2 when he first got to Resistance HQ? If so, then R2 didn't wake up at the ta-da nick of time. He woke up at the end of the movie.
5) Tekka "found" the map, it wasn't entrusted to him by Luke.


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Post by: Darth Tepes on May 29, 2019, 07:19:20 PM
I thought you were going on that what was shown in the movie was merely a simplistic visual that showed the piece being more laid over the whole in order to verify the data. You had my hopes up, and then I read the article.

1) I doubt that a droid that has a limited number of saved hyperspace coordinates would have enough memory to store the whole of the Imperial Archive.
2) Another frelling useless tie-in to ANH. (Why didn't we just call it Abrams' New Hack?)
3) Why the hell would BB be so stupid as to think that a random droid he's never met has the corresponding missing part of a map?
4) Didn't BB find R2 when he first got to Resistance HQ? If so, then R2 didn't wake up at the ta-da nick of time. He woke up at the end of the movie.
5) Tekka "found" the map, it wasn't entrusted to him by Luke.


Yep..there it is again...the having to go outside for explanations.  BB-8 did know of R2 from C-3po.  3po was actually in charge of all the droids and that is one of the reasons for BB-8 not being found by the Resistance.  3po forgot to install a homing beacon in BB-8.  From what was also said when BB-8 spoke to R2 after he took the cover off R2 heard him and started going through his charts and just so happened to find the right one at that moment.   Even though I don't hate TFA as much as some even that part was a little over the top.  Again, it seems like they just didn't have a concreate plan...just slap Star Wars on something and the masses will eat it up. 


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Post by: Darth Logos on May 29, 2019, 07:29:05 PM
Yep..there it is again...the having to go outside for explanations.  BB-8 did know of R2 from C-3po.  3po was actually in charge of all the droids and that is one of the reasons for BB-8 not being found by the Resistance.  3po forgot to install a homing beacon in BB-8.  From what was also said when BB-8 spoke to R2 after he took the cover off R2 heard him and started going through his charts and just so happened to find the right one at that moment.   Even though I don't hate TFA as much as some even that part was a little over the top. 
'Nother thought: If BB8 is a Resistance droid, he'd already be familiar with the base. How the hell had he not run into R2 already? :-\

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Again, it seems like they just didn't have a concreate plan...just slap Star Wars on something and the masses will eat it up. 
Sad and true.


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Post by: Darth Tepes on May 29, 2019, 07:41:56 PM
'Nother thought: If BB8 is a Resistance droid, he'd already be familiar with the base. How the hell had he not run into R2 already? :-\
Sad and true.

He had...but apparently R2 had shut down when Luke left....so it had been at least 5 years


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Post by: Darth Logos on May 29, 2019, 07:46:41 PM
He had...but apparently R2 had shut down when Luke left....so it had been at least 5 years
I mean, where were Poe and BB hanging out if not at Resistance HQ? 3PO had said R2 had been running on "low-power mode". Not sure if you were interchanging that "shut down." Either way, BB hadn't run into him before the events of TFA?


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Post by: Darth Tepes on May 29, 2019, 07:53:06 PM
I mean, where were Poe and BB hanging out if not at Resistance HQ? 3PO had said R2 had been running on "low-power mode". Not sure if you were interchanging that "shut down." Either way, BB hadn't run into him before the events of TFA?

He doesn't interact with anyone, move or do anything other than be still.  I know technically he's not shut down...but for all the good he does in  TFA he might as well be shut down.     Here is a bit from the TFA Novelization:

 THE SEARCH HAD taken BB-8 some time, but he finally found what he was looking for. Or rather, who. Or maybe both, since an intelligent droid technically qualified as both a who and a what. In the dark, dusty storeroom he rolled over to the R2 unit and beeped a greeting, the transmission sequence too rapid and too exhaustive for any human to follow. It didn’t matter. There was no response from the immobile R2 unit.
 BB-8 tried again, utilizing a different droid language. When that also failed, he moved forward and gave the other mechanical a forceful nudge. Like everything else, that too failed to generate a response.
 Observing the unsuccessful interaction, C-3PO came forward out of the shadows. “You’re wasting your time, I’m afraid. It is very doubtful that Artoo would have the rest of the map in his backup data.” When BB-8 queried the protocol droid, C-3PO responded without hesitation.
“He’s been locked down in self-imposed low-power mode. He just hasn’t been the same since Master Luke went away.”


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Post by: Darth Logos on May 29, 2019, 08:23:09 PM
He doesn't interact with anyone, move or do anything other than be still.  I know technically he's not shut down...but for all the good he does in  TFA he might as well be shut down.     Here is a bit from the TFA Novelization:

 THE SEARCH HAD taken BB-8 some time, but he finally found what he was looking for. Or rather, who. Or maybe both, since an intelligent droid technically qualified as both a who and a what. In the dark, dusty storeroom he rolled over to the R2 unit and beeped a greeting, the transmission sequence too rapid and too exhaustive for any human to follow. It didn’t matter. There was no response from the immobile R2 unit.
 BB-8 tried again, utilizing a different droid language. When that also failed, he moved forward and gave the other mechanical a forceful nudge. Like everything else, that too failed to generate a response.
 Observing the unsuccessful interaction, C-3PO came forward out of the shadows. “You’re wasting your time, I’m afraid. It is very doubtful that Artoo would have the rest of the map in his backup data.” When BB-8 queried the protocol droid, C-3PO responded without hesitation.
“He’s been locked down in self-imposed low-power mode. He just hasn’t been the same since Master Luke went away.”
Although the writing is pretentious, it almost fills in gaps. But how does BB know about R2 and that he has maps?