Random Star Wars Thoughts

[Darth Tepes]

I like the theory of Snoke himself not being a force user, but someone knowledgeable of it.  We are shown in Aftermath ole Papa Palpatine had just such a person in his inner circle.  There is also the theory that Snoke is new Canon version of Abeloth..but I think that one is a bit over the top.  The interesting thing to me is how Leia spoke of Snoke..as if he was someone they knew of beforehand.  Considering Bloodline gives us a time-frame of 6 years before TFA and TFO and Snoke are still in the shadows.

[Obese Wan Kenobese]

Snoke is a body jumper, with the plan to possess Kylo. Kylo's helmet has a strong influence on him, turning him to the dark side and causing the rage fits. He is conflicted, because the helmet and Snoke are influencing him. Read Book of Sith. All such abilities are mentioned there as is Kylo's extreme interrogation method.

[Darth Justicar]

I like the theory of Snoke himself not being a force user, but someone knowledgeable of it.  We are shown in Aftermath ole Papa Palpatine had just such a person in his inner circle.  There is also the theory that Snoke is new Canon version of Abeloth..but I think that one is a bit over the top.  The interesting thing to me is how Leia spoke of Snoke..as if he was someone they knew of beforehand.  Considering Bloodline gives us a time-frame of 6 years before TFA and TFO and Snoke are still in the shadows.

I have considered the theory that Snoke might not have the Force at all, and while quite interesting, I'm not sure how he would have felt the awakening in the Force on his own otherwise.  He presented that to Kylo as a fact that he was absolutely certain of.  And like my Inquisitor scenario, ANY slip-up that suggested to Kylo that he wasn't as powerful as he seemed to be, any chance at all of getting something like that wrong that Kylo could essentially fact-check him through the Force on, would IMO be too great of a gamble.  (An Inquisitor, in contrast, would have a lot less chance of getting busted like that, even if he is still a sort of paper tiger.)

[ithekro]

There is the possibility that Snoke is rather weak in the Force, just very old.  A mirror of Maz Kanata who is weak in the Force and never a Jedi.  But after a thousand years might have developed the ability to use a few powers, and has a connection with the Force.  Enough to sense things at least.  Snoke could have been some Sith follower from the time of fall of the Sith Empire and the surviving of Darth Bane, but never strong enough to be a Sith Lord or even a hidden apprentice.  Just someone who watched from the shadows for centuries.  Waiting....

[Darth Logos]

In SWTOR, Vitiate (or Valkorion, as I "know" him best) did indeed find such a way to hang on after death, and tried to start another Empire he saw as being "beyond" notions of the Light and Dark sides.  Which to me does hold possible echoes of Snoke's philosophy, if you look at the scenes that were cut from TFA (about why he has chosen to use Kylo).

Or was this one of those "essence transfer" deals? Valkorion is genetically a human with possessed of Vitiate's spirit?

I like the theory of Snoke himself not being a force user, but someone knowledgeable of it.  We are shown in Aftermath ole Papa Palpatine had just such a person in his inner circle.  There is also the theory that Snoke is new Canon version of Abeloth..but I think that one is a bit over the top.  The interesting thing to me is how Leia spoke of Snoke..as if he was someone they knew of beforehand.  Considering Bloodline gives us a time-frame of 6 years before TFA and TFO and Snoke are still in the shadows.

Whoever Abeloth is...

Snoke is a body jumper, with the plan to possess Kylo. Kylo's helmet has a strong influence on him, turning him to the dark side and causing the rage fits. He is conflicted, because the helmet and Snoke are influencing him. Read Book of Sith. All such abilities are mentioned there as is Kylo's extreme interrogation method.

I kinda like your take on the helmet. Considering Ol' Papa Palpatine, the EpIII visual dictionary showed a cutaway of Grievous' head. Apparently he had a control chip installed. NTM the chips that turned the clones against the Jedi.

[Darth Justicar]

I'm not 100% clear on whether Valkorion is in a possession situation, though it's possible.  In SWTOR, Darth Zash attempted to steal her apprentice's body, though it backfired and she got stuck inside a Dashade who was bound to the apprentice's service.  Oops.

Whatever the case, whether he literally reanimated himself to become Valkorion or whether he took someone else's body, I think either is enough to make Valkorion an incredibly dangerous candidate for being Snoke.

[Darth Logos]

I'm not 100% clear on whether Valkorion is in a possession situation, though it's possible.  In SWTOR, Darth Zash attempted to steal her apprentice's body, though it backfired and she got stuck inside a Dashade who was bound to the apprentice's service.  Oops.

Whatever the case, whether he literally reanimated himself to become Valkorion or whether he took someone else's body, I think either is enough to make Valkorion an incredibly dangerous candidate for being Snoke.

The essence transfer was the calling card of another Sith Lord that was revered as a god, before the time of Darth Bane. He sought to claim this knowledge when he felt that Zannah would never challenge him for the position of Master. He endeavored the ritual in a last ditch effort to defeat her, but the success was left to speculation at the end of Dynasty of Evil.

It is quite possible that a similar ritual could have been used by Vitiate. However, even in the time of Revan, he had already achieved immortality. A trait he later bestowed upon the Emperor's Wrath, Lord Scourge. However, it is highly unlikely that he could have failed enough against the Republic to want to jump ship from the defeated Sith and start a brand new Empire under the guise of Valkorian.

It just rubs me as bad story telling, again for the sake of being edgy.

[Darth Tepes]

The essence transfer was the calling card of another Sith Lord that was revered as a god, before the time of Darth Bane. He sought to claim this knowledge when he felt that Zannah would never challenge him for the position of Master. He endeavored the ritual in a last ditch effort to defeat her, but the success was left to speculation at the end of Dynasty of Evil.

It is quite possible that a similar ritual could have been used by Vitiate. However, even in the time of Revan, he had already achieved immortality. A trait he later bestowed upon the Emperor's Wrath, Lord Scourge. However, it is highly unlikely that he could have failed enough against the Republic to want to jump ship from the defeated Sith and start a brand new Empire under the guise of Valkorian.

It just rubs me as bad story telling, again for the sake of being edgy.

More like new content to sell Subscriptions

[Darth Logos]

More like new content to sell Subscriptions

BOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Darth Justicar]

This one's for you, Logos, and anyone else who thought Kylo really got screwed over by the writers in the Starkiller Base duel with Rey.

If you ignore all of the little-kid silliness included in the Lego version (not faulting them for that--it IS meant to be friendly to small children), it appears that the Lego version of the duel actually gets rid of Rey the Mary Sue and makes the duel conclude in a way where we really can't tell who would've won, and Kylo isn't made temporarily stupid by the writers.  Even if you ignore the intentionally hammy "Emperor expy" dialogue they give him in the Legoverse (but again, this is for LITTLE kids!), the POINT of this version of the duel definitely seems to be much more effective than the one in the actual movie. O_O

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox3tM37gf_A" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox3tM37gf_A</a>

(And of course I LOVE the hilarious line they got Adam Driver to record...that is absolutely awesome!!!)

[Rapine]

Good one DJ -1

HA! ("I could just walk over...")

[Darth Justicar]

I know, I LOVED that line!

[Darth Logos]

This one's for you, Logos, and anyone else who thought Kylo really got screwed over by the writers in the Starkiller Base duel with Rey.

If you ignore all of the little-kid silliness included in the Lego version (not faulting them for that--it IS meant to be friendly to small children), it appears that the Lego version of the duel actually gets rid of Rey the Mary Sue and makes the duel conclude in a way where we really can't tell who would've won, and Kylo isn't made temporarily stupid by the writers.  Even if you ignore the intentionally hammy "Emperor expy" dialogue they give him in the Legoverse (but again, this is for LITTLE kids!), the POINT of this version of the duel definitely seems to be much more effective than the one in the actual movie. O_O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox3tM37gf_A

(And of course I LOVE the hilarious line they got Adam Driver to record...that is absolutely awesome!!!)

Maybe, but I've always allowed Tt to have their fun with silliness at inappropriate times. It's the primary reason I keep going back, after being phenomenally retarded for LEGOs. Haven't played the new Ep7 yet, but looking forward to it. Funds look a bit sparse this month.

[Darth Logos]

Oh, it does line up with Ren on the precipice, for sure.  But if Poe was wrong with Starkiller (yes there's a firing sequence, but he acted like once that sequence is underway you're 100% screwed...wrong, flyboy!), I think it fundamentally causes the other instance to be called into question.  That's why I think it's intentional: that an obvious surface interpretation was put out there on purpose as a red herring, but as soon as you dig even slightly into it, it absolutely falls apart and things are suddenly nowhere near as clear as they seemed.

The fact Poe's error causes the "obvious" interpretation of the Ren scene to collapse is, in my personal opinion, of major significance.

Oh, and just for humor...thought you might enjoy this video because it reminds me of our discussions.   (Well, minus the part where it all goes to hell in the middle. )

I don't think it was intended to read that deep. I looked at as "If we can't destroyed this thing before it's fully charged, 3PO's gonna get on the comm and tell us the odds, effectively letting us know what losers we are because we have seconds to do hours worth of damage."

Thrawn Trilogy ... Legacy .... i really love these stories ...

Yes. Yes. YES! I was so hopeful that Cumberbatch was slated to play Thrawn.

[Master Seblaise]

I don't think it was intended to read that deep. I looked at as "If we can't destroyed this thing before it's fully charged, 3PO's gonna get on the comm and tell us the odds, effectively letting us know what losers we are because we have seconds to do hours worth of damage."

Yes. Yes. YES! I was so hopeful that Cumberbatch was slated to play Thrawn.

And Karen Gillian as Mara Jade

LucasFilm decided to reboot the universe for reason i do not like but that is a fact.

Now, i am waiting for Ep. VIII with hope ... we will see