Random Star Wars Thoughts

[darth tratus]

What is Snoke is obi-Wan?
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"
He never liked Luke-he was too old. He lied to Luke about Vader.

He has become corrupt and seeks revenge on Luke.

Obi wan and yoda are probably the 2 unlikeliest people to be Snoke. In the force awakens you can hear yoda and obi talking to rey in her vision. Plus they both have been force ghosts guiding Luke through his training through out the OT.

[Darth Logos]

They lost count and it has been a thousand years since the last one.

Billions of Jawas?  Against Quadrillions of battle droids?

On the other hand we don't know how many clones were really made in time for the war effort.  Only that they were lead by about 10,000 Jedi.

I think your grasp of how stupid huge "quadrillion" really is a tad askew. Even a droid army of a 100 billion would have been an astronomical feat.

Ion guns only turn them off for a short time.  A blaster ends them.

The Clone Troopers did use EMP grenades and even deployed a Nuke sized EMP bomb.  Shorting them out works, but such things can also short out Clone gear and equipment.

But think about it. You never here about "ion resistant" alloys, but you do here about blaster resistant stuff all the time. NTM wouldn't an ion blast be able to knock out droideka shields in one shot.

Also, if you utilized shots versus explosions, then you could more precisely concentrate fire on the target and reduce collateral damage.

Actually that was Yoda who insisted Luke was too old. Ob-Wan defended him, saying basically "So what ya old coot."

He didn't lie, so much as not tell Luke the full story. Anakin was a Jedi, then his "Vader personality" took over, and Anakin was gone. Even VADER HIMSELF considered Anakin to be a completely different person, so Anakin was dead for all intents and purposes.

Though that would be a fine twist, your logic is quite flawed.

There are several citations of Vader referring to Anakin as another person. It is Sith tradition to leave your past life behind, and become something new.

Personally I think Snoke is.............................wait for it..................................Snoke.

[ithekro]

I was also off, it should be "Quintillion" rather than "Quadrillion" battle droids.

Short scale of course.

Long scale (old British) that would be a Trillion battle droids.

The Grand Army of the Republic's number are harder to pin down given the vast scale of the conflict.   The highest estimate seems to be a trillion clones.  And even at that number, the Republic is outnumbered a million to one.

[GregG124]

Personally I think Snoke is.............................wait for it..................................Snoke.

Honestly, I hope Snoke is a totally NEW concept! It would be refreshing in a world where there's very little originality in ANY movies!

[JEStucker]

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[Darth Logos]

I was also off, it should be "Quintillion" rather than "Quadrillion" battle droids.

Short scale of course.

Long scale (old British) that would be a Trillion battle droids.

The Grand Army of the Republic's number are harder to pin down given the vast scale of the conflict.   The highest estimate seems to be a trillion clones.  And even at that number, the Republic is outnumbered a million to one.

I can't tell if you're being silly, or honestly have no grasp of these numbers. Even working at full capacity, the Kamino couldn't produce a BILLION clones in 100 years. It took them 10 years just to produce the first 200k.

I'll break this down for you. From the dawn of human existence, if you added up every single person that ever was, you still wouldn't reach 1 trillion.

[Darth Justicar]

In ithekro's defense, there seem to be some pretty staggering crew and population numbers in the Star Wars universe.  I was recently quite stunned to discover in the Incredible Cross-Sections book that the estimated crew figure for the Finalizer (the First Order flagship) is 82000, and the First Order is supposed to be a rump state.  The industrial capacity also seems to be truly enormous to match.

[ThreadJack]

I'll break this down for you. From the dawn of human existence, if you added up every single person that ever was, you still wouldn't reach 1 trillion.

To be fair, the SW universe has hundreds of planets capable of sustaining life, most of which is humanoid with the intelligence to match. And probably populations of humanoids similar to Earth's. So I don't think trillions is an unlikely range for galactic population numbers. Now the Clones probably numbered somewhere in the millions, not trillions. I don't think 2,000,000 clones is an unreasonable guess, considering that first 200K was basically the guinea pig batch. They likely got way better at it, and after getting the operation officially funded by the Republic, opened many more facilities(this has been confirmed canon by the CW cartoon), so the rate they were pumping clones would dramatically increase. Especially considering the numbers Palpatine would have needed in the early days of the Empire, he likely had facilities and batches being created that no one else knew about.

In ithekro's defense, there seem to be some pretty staggering crew and population numbers in the Star Wars universe.  I was recently quite stunned to discover in the Incredible Cross-Sections book that the estimated crew figure for the Finalizer (the First Order flagship) is 82000, and the First Order is supposed to be a rump state.  The industrial capacity also seems to be truly enormous to match.

To put that into perspective, the current US Navy Nimitz-class aircraft carrier and it's planned successor  Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier, have a crew of roughly 5,000 officers and enlisted personnel.

[Darth Justicar]

To be fair, the SW universe has hundreds of planets capable of sustaining life, most of which is humanoid with the intelligence to match. And probably populations of humanoids similar to Earth's. So I don't think trillions is an unlikely range for galactic population numbers. Now the Clones probably numbered somewhere in the millions, not trillions. I don't think 2,000,000 clones is an unreasonable guess, considering that first 200K was basically the guinea pig batch. They likely got way better at it, and after getting the operation officially funded by the Republic, opened many more facilities(this has been confirmed canon by the CW cartoon), so the rate they were pumping clones would dramatically increase. Especially considering the numbers Palpatine would have needed in the early days of the Empire, he likely had facilities and batches being created that no one else knew about.

This is what I was going to point out about the first batch being done in secret for test purposes only.  I think you hit the nail on the head.

To put that into perspective, the current US Navy Nimitz-class aircraft carrier and it's planned successor  Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier, have a crew of roughly 5,000 officers and enlisted personnel.

Yep.  Another perspective check: the minimum crew of the Finalizer is equivalent to my town and the one next door, both of which are fairly large suburbs. When you picture it that way, and how many square miles all that population takes up IRL, it's an eye opener.

[ThreadJack]

This is what I was going to point out about the first batch being done in secret for test purposes only.  I think you hit the nail on the head.

Yep.  Another perspective check: the minimum crew of the Finalizer is equivalent to my town and the one next door, both of which are fairly large suburbs. When you picture it that way, and how many square miles all that population takes up IRL, it's an eye opener.

Exactly. They also had to keep numbers lower because of secrecy. Once it was out in the open and sanctioned, secrecy was no longer needed, so the operation was free to swell to whatever numbers were necessary.

[Darth Justicar]

Another thing that's really amazing to think about on a ship like the Finalizer is just how large some of the onboard facilities have to be.  If you live in a large town or in the suburbs, and you think about what supports your local population, and having to put all of that aboard a Star Destroyer, it's really something.  Think of what it takes just to keep a population that large fed.  Heck, think of the medical facilities: the Cross-Sections book may refer simply to a medbay, but to support a population that size, there has literally got to be a full on hospital in there, not the little sickbay you might be picturing from other sci-fi franchises, or even smaller Star Wars ships.  Not necessarily something the size of what you'd see in a large city, but you'd probably be looking at a 200-250 inpatient bed capacity, plus a lot of outpatient services and at least some specialists and labs on board.

[ThreadJack]

Another thing that's really amazing to think about on a ship like the Finalizer is just how large some of the onboard facilities have to be.  If you live in a large town or in the suburbs, and you think about what supports your local population, and having to put all of that aboard a Star Destroyer, it's really something.  Think of what it takes just to keep a population that large fed.  Heck, think of the medical facilities: the Cross-Sections book may refer simply to a medbay, but to support a population that size, there has literally got to be a full on hospital in there, not the little sickbay you might be picturing from other sci-fi franchises, or even smaller Star Wars ships.  Not necessarily something the size of what you'd see in a large city, but you'd probably be looking at a 200-250 inpatient bed capacity, plus a lot of outpatient services and at least some specialists and labs on board.

The commissary itself is probably the same as a Wal-Mart, and there's probably a few of them. There's actually probably a few smaller med bays, in different sections of the ship, rather than one large hospital. This would be better from an access standpoint, considering the size of the ship. It's actually pretty daunting to think about....

[Darth Justicar]

Surprisingly, the diagram only indicates one "medbay" and fails to show it spanning multiple decks as I would expect it to, or really ANY indication of the true size it would have to be.  At the least, I would expect there to be satellite "emergency" or "trauma crews"--the equivalent of first responders--stationed at various locations around the ship to ensure quick stabilization and transport to a central facility.  And it also doesn't point out commissaries or "food courts" of the size one would expect, and I'd actually wager it's more than just two Wal-Mart supercenter sized grocery stores, when I think of what all is contained within the two towns I'm thinking of from my area.  While for the most part the Incredible Cross-Sections book is AWESOME, there are definitely some logistical issues that I think any mission support group and medical group commander would have some serious words with the authors about.

I suppose one other question one would have to ask about access to things aboard the ship is what kind of "rapid transit" exists.  It would have to be something more efficient than, say, Star Trek turbolifts.  As far as length, the Finalizer's about 1.8 miles from stem to stern, and if I had to eyeball it, I'd guess about .75 miles across at its widest point.  Where the majority of the square mileage is coming from is from having MANY decks.

BTW, I had to give you a point earlier because it's evident you have familiarity with tactics/strategy as well as logistics.  I forget, do you have military experience?  It kind of seems like it.

[Vivectius]

Well, for the medbay, that depends on how much you care about your troops.  And exactly what kind of injuries you would expect to treat.

Going with an Empire era Star Destroyer:

TIE Pilots - you're either fine, or your TIE got blown up and you're past medical help.
Ground Assault Element - You're either fine, or the vehicle you're in got blown up, and you're past medical help, or you've been hit by a laser bolt and while not always fatal, usually are, and you're past medical help.
Imperial Navy crew - You're either fine, or there's a hole in the hull, and you're past medical help, or you've made Lord Vader angry, and you're past medical help.

I think, in an enclosed space like a Star Destroyer, or air craft carrier, or more analogous, a submarine (if on a smaller scale), the biggest concern wouldn't be injury, but disease.  If most of your crew has a bad head cold or the flu, that's going to be a bigger problem.  Projectile vomiting on Lord Vader is a bad idea.

As for food, well, it's admittedly a lot of frozen dinners....

And on a lighter note:

[Kham-Ryn Kurios]

That was great; try reading it in your best John Cleese voice.