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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2020, 08:58:46 AM » |
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I recall that it's pronounced "sit" in the French version of the movies. Though most people now pronounce it "sith".
Yes  The fact is the English "th" is not easy to pronounce for us ... like many other things. Because of that, back in 1977, when they dubbed "A new hope", "Darth Vader" became "Dark Vador" |
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2020, 09:43:58 AM » |
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Yes The fact is the English "th" is not easy to pronounce for us ... like many other things. Because of that, back in 1977, when they dubbed "A new hope", "Darth Vader" became "Dark Vador" Your input is appreciated, and made me realize something of possible importance. For maximum effect my question/inquiry should be translated into various languages to potentially get some of the desired responses. Ironic I didn't think of it that way, viewing english as a common language was foolish in that way. It goes partially against the point of this topic, or assumes people use translation software in other countries where english may not be the national language. But this is one of the most revealing parts of communication on this level, or language studies in general. I love that (and I can't remember which study it was) language showed a correlation to how the brain is wired. So "thinking" in a different language can literally mean thinking differently in general. I digress, but do enjoy this kind of thing very much. |
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2020, 11:35:54 AM » |
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Yes The fact is the English "th" is not easy to pronounce for us ... like many other things. Because of that, back in 1977, when they dubbed "A new hope", "Darth Vader" became "Dark Vador" Which can make sense for French viewers that know what Dark means. But still a miss xD I used to call myself DarkRondoudou. But changed when I watched the movies in their original language. |
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2020, 12:08:27 PM » |
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Which can make sense for French viewers that know what Dark means. But still a miss xD
I used to call myself DarkRondoudou. But changed when I watched the movies in their original language.
Yep, And "Clone wars" translated by "La guerre noire" what a joke .... The first time I watched an original version of a StarWars movie was the Phantom Menace ... what a surprise to learn about "Darth" |
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2020, 12:28:33 PM » |
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Yep, And "Clone wars" translated by "La guerre noire" what a joke .... The first time I watched an original version of a StarWars movie was the Phantom Menace ... what a surprise to learn about "Darth" oh putain, I missed that! Where? When?? Who was so drunk they could not even translate that properly??? Ah, I was too young to go see it in English at the time, but I think the next one was my first. |
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2020, 01:17:25 PM » |
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oh putain, I missed that! Where? When?? Who was so drunk they could not even translate that properly???
Ah, I was too young to go see it in English at the time, but I think the next one was my first.
In ANH, Obiwan and Luke watch the hologram of Leia asking for help. In the original version, she tells : "General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars ..." In the French version, she tells : "Général Kenobi. Jadis vous avez servi mon père pendant la guerre noire ..." This translation is so ... stupid ... |
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2020, 01:26:38 PM » |
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In ANH, Obiwan and Luke watch the hologram of Leia asking for help.
In the original version, she tells : "General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars ..."
In the French version, she tells : "Général Kenobi. Jadis vous avez servi mon père pendant la guerre noire ..."
This translation is so ... stupid ...
A bit off topic, but I'll bite... as stated I don't know French, but based off the context, previous submissions on this topic, and an inference or two "General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Dark War"? I think that's what you're saying was in the French version's translation. |
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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2020, 01:29:15 PM » |
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A bit off topic, but I'll bite... as stated I don't know French, but based off the context, previous submissions on this topic, and an inference or two "General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Dark War"? I think that's what you're saying was in the French version's translation.
Yess, sorry Yes, they translated "Clone War" by "Dark War" ... |
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2020, 05:10:26 PM » |
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Funny how that works. Thanks Disney Vault, Disney Plus Subscriptions, and who knows what else.
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2020, 10:05:58 PM » |
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Sith is a name, and therefore has no translation. There might be variations in pronunciation based on the phonics of a language, but that's about it.
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« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2020, 02:16:52 AM » |
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This is one of those really interesting Star Wars questions that makes the forums such a fun place. I'll freely admit I really am curious why you're looking into this, DarthProdigal. Is it like a fan fiction project?
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« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2020, 02:34:10 AM » |
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This is one of those really interesting Star Wars questions that makes the forums such a fun place. I'll freely admit I really am curious why you're looking into this, DarthProdigal. Is it like a fan fiction project?
Yea, I was thinking if there were interesting variations I might be able to integrate them into something. Obviously still working on this conceptually, it's in it's infancy. If I don't hit a dead end and can make something of it I'll let you know. Sith is a name, and therefore has no translation. There might be variations in pronunciation based on the phonics of a language, but that's about it.
Then that may simply mean I phrased my inquiry incorrectly, and you may be more accurate to my intent. As an example then take the name Michael: Michael: Michel (French), Mikhail (Greek, Russian), Mihály (Hungarian), Mícheál (Gaelic), Michele (Italian), Michal (Polish), Miguel (Portuguese, Spanish), Mihail (Rumanian), Michiel (Dutch), Mikel (Swedish), Mihangel (Welsh), Mícheál (Irish), Miguel (Portuguese), Mikkel (Danish, Norweigian), Micheil (Gaelic). This is my end goal for the term Sith, and while the internet can spit out results like this I find it more appealing to get the input of native speakers/fans with personal experience. Although it may make the process more difficult, I've got the time to wait for submissions. Fishing for interesting input I suppose. |
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« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2020, 08:17:34 PM » |
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Then that may simply mean I phrased my inquiry incorrectly, and you may be more accurate to my intent. As an example then take the name Michael:
Michael: Michel (French), Mikhail (Greek, Russian), Mihály (Hungarian), Mícheál (Gaelic), Michele (Italian), Michal (Polish), Miguel (Portuguese, Spanish), Mihail (Rumanian), Michiel (Dutch), Mikel (Swedish), Mihangel (Welsh), Mícheál (Irish), Miguel (Portuguese), Mikkel (Danish, Norweigian), Micheil (Gaelic).
This is my end goal for the term Sith, and while the internet can spit out results like this I find it more appealing to get the input of native speakers/fans with personal experience. Although it may make the process more difficult, I've got the time to wait for submissions. Fishing for interesting input I suppose.
So you're looking for the variations within dialects, not necessarily languages? |
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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2020, 08:40:12 PM » |
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The desire was definitely across languages, since simple dialect shift would be less likely to produce a different result. Although languages can be viewed as different dialects of writing/speaking so... I suppose I just want people to intuitively understand my intent more or less. And since the first few responses reflected that, I'm not terribly worried in that regard. I left it a little open ended on purpose, even SW Universe languages. Just incase I missed Wookies shouting SIIIIITH in some book published within the EU. I want lore masters, foreign language speakers, that kind of thing to give their two cents on what they know or can confirm (unlike that little Wookie thing I just made up). Trying to anyway, and I hope that clarifies my intent somewhat more clearly.
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« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2020, 10:27:54 PM » |
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The desire was definitely across languages, since simple dialect shift would be less likely to produce a different result. Although languages can be viewed as different dialects of writing/speaking so... I suppose I just want people to intuitively understand my intent more or less. And since the first few responses reflected that, I'm not terribly worried in that regard. I left it a little open ended on purpose, even SW Universe languages. Just incase I missed Wookies shouting SIIIIITH in some book published within the EU. I want lore masters, foreign language speakers, that kind of thing to give their two cents on what they know or can confirm (unlike that little Wookie thing I just made up). Trying to anyway, and I hope that clarifies my intent somewhat more clearly.
I'm referring to dialect as it pertains to pronunciations based on language biases. Like the generic "z" sound used instead of "th" by almost every non-English European-language speaker speaking English. It becomes "zis" and "zat" and "zee ozzer zing." Effectively, it showcases the lack of use of that particular diphthong. Just as there are English idiosyncrasies when trying to pronounce foreign words and names. It drove me nuts living down south, where a county named Dubois was pronounced "doo-boyz". Now, Wookiee just makes absolutely no sense. I never understood how the spoken grunts and growls translates into human phonics. |
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