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« Reply #60 on: July 31, 2024, 04:18:29 PM »

I'm gonna alter a Pixar quote sum this up: "I don't like Star Wars, I love it. In case my passions haven't been made clear in my comments throughout the forum, I don't like Disney's Star Wars. George made something unique and wonderful. Disney then took a masterpiece and turned it into a disgusting propaganda vehicle. It's tantamount to taking the Mona Lisa, painting a makeover, and insisting that it's art. I watched Ahsoka and Kenobi, and was pleasantly entertained. Not perfect, but good enough. I watched Andor, and was delightfully shocked by how much I enjoyed it. But that was the thing: Andor simply told a good story with engaging characters.

When the lead actress says on national television that "it was about making white people cry," I'm done. I am beyond disgusted. Further more, I am tired of racist hypocrites, that would be up in arms if I made an issue of their skin color, making an issue over mine. It's not my fault that I was born "white".

And yeah, I too miss the good old days when we were all just a bunch of SW hooligans chatting it up about the universe that George built. But a poison apple is a poison apple no matter how shiny and delicious it looks on the surface.
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« Reply #61 on: August 01, 2024, 02:48:29 AM »

That was clearly a joke.... I mean come on. It's on a comedy show. That's a way of joking that's quite common among marginalized people and not to be taken seriously. It's akin to those of us in the LGBTQ+ community joking about "making straight people crazy" when they get up in arms about us simply doing our thing when it doesn't really effect them. Like not liking a movie that's about a gay couple. "Clearly it's to make straight people go crazy and nothing else."
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« Reply #62 on: August 01, 2024, 05:00:15 PM »

That was clearly a joke.... I mean come on. It's on a comedy show. That's a way of joking that's quite common among marginalized people and not to be taken seriously. It's akin to those of us in the LGBTQ+ community joking about "making straight people crazy" when they get up in arms about us simply doing our thing when it doesn't really effect them. Like not liking a movie that's about a gay couple. "Clearly it's to make straight people go crazy and nothing else."
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« Reply #63 on: August 02, 2024, 02:23:33 PM »

Then riddle me this: If the "color scheme" of the comment were reversed, would it still be a "harmless joke"?
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« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2024, 04:48:04 PM »

Then riddle me this: If the "color scheme" of the comment were reversed, would it still be a "harmless joke"?
You mean like how MANY ancient heroes were always white? You can't just say "oh if it were reversed..." cause it has been. For a long time.
And yeah, actors say stupid shell all the time. Thing is, I don't think it even makes sense... There are a lot of white males who enjoyed Andor.
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« Reply #65 on: August 05, 2024, 02:15:44 PM »

You mean like how MANY ancient heroes were always white? You can't just say "oh if it were reversed..." cause it has been. For a long time.
And yeah, actors say stupid shell all the time. Thing is, I don't think it even makes sense...
Not sure what point you're trying to make. There are heroes of every color that.....has a recorded history. Undecided I don't care about color until one either a) claims superiority or b) assigns inferiority to others. And as has been said, "You can't fix past oppression with current oppression." Judge me by the merits of my conscience, not by the color of my skin.

There are a lot of white males who enjoyed Andor.
I'm one of them. But that was mainly because Andor didn't focus on stupid $#!%. It focused on telling a good story.
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« Reply #66 on: August 22, 2024, 10:43:56 PM »

Word seems to be the second season has been cancelled.  A shame if that is the case, for all its fumbling's it had some potential to be better, the whole Senate v. Jedi issue has real potential for a good story, Qimir was interesting, but it was just so poorly done imo.  Their stated reasons, from what I've read thus far is due to mixed reactions and declining viewership - arguably both a result of poor quality, people don't keep watching if they don't like something. 

Linked to this would have to be the eye watering cost of $180 million (reported) for season 1 was never going to be recouped on a streaming platform let alone merchandise - who would want an Acolyte lunch box?   

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« Reply #67 on: August 22, 2024, 11:18:20 PM »

It's also hard to make money when you fumble the merchandise as badly as they have. It's only STARTING to come out now, nearly two months after the finale, and the release has been spotty at best. We still have no actual Acolyte merchandise on our shelves at Target, and I can't recall having seen it anywhere else. I remember the sequel trilogy, I was seeing toys on retail shelves months before the actual movie premier. It seems that Covid has really changed the timeline for releases, and not for the better, IMO.
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« Reply #68 on: August 23, 2024, 05:00:57 AM »

It's also hard to make money when you fumble the merchandise as badly as they have. It's only STARTING to come out now, nearly two months after the finale, and the release has been spotty at best. We still have no actual Acolyte merchandise on our shelves at Target, and I can't recall having seen it anywhere else. I remember the sequel trilogy, I was seeing toys on retail shelves months before the actual movie premier. It seems that Covid has really changed the timeline for releases, and not for the better, IMO.

Indeed, also not the best economic time to try to rely on sale of non essential goods to make a media project viable (vibsession as they say, not officially a recession down here in Aus but it certainly feels like it with persistent high inflation)...cancelling a second season also won't help shift that merchandise either...
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« Reply #69 on: August 23, 2024, 08:54:18 AM »

I do hate shows being cancelled after one season with a passion.
I pre ordered the black figures of my favorite characters from the show, I do hope they'll be made...
But yeah I don't understand how they frelled up the merch so bad.

Also, you have every reason to be cautious about online rumors. Hell, there's a slew of youtube channels that announced (and keep doing it) Kennedy being thrown out of disney ever since the first sequel hit the screens...
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« Reply #70 on: August 23, 2024, 09:16:51 PM »

I won't be buying any merchandise, just because buying new SW stuff isn't a priority right now, but it seems to be a tough sell of late. The "Young Jedi" stuff mostly went on clearance recently and I had to write a bunch of it off as we had way too much and nowhere to put it, since it was now off planogram. It's a real shame too because a lot of that stuff was really cute for a young child. Toys just aren't moving right now, but the Holidays are around the corner, so hopefully we get a bunch of the newer stuff that's coming out so it's nice and full when we revise it in for the season.
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« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2024, 02:14:57 PM »

LSG, Senate v. Jedi was already done in the EU series Fate of the Jedi. But it also falls into the same trope that was played out in Man of Steel and Hancock; how do you "control" beings that you physically cannot contend with, and have as much sentience as the governing body, if not more?

From what I gathered of the cliff notes of the show, the writer pretty much just took a bunch of now non-canon plot points that had yet to be utilized and poorly pasted them together with a smattering of cameos and nostalgia interwoven with.....topics apparently to sensitive to mention on the forum.

- Let's make Anakin's conception not special.
- Space witches...because that hasn't already been done. Roll Eyes
- Killing a Jedi without a weapon.....even though knives and poison are weapons. Plus, Vader already used such a device when training Starkiller. SK was dropped on a world run by hostile forces, without a weapon (Force skills only) with the sole objective to get off world and back home.
- Cortosis. DUMB! Cortosis is the key component in starship hulls. Useful as both blaster resistance but also for energy absorption during reentry. Phrik would have been a cooler material to "introduce" to the newbs. This further surprised me considering how DSW apparently loathes multisyllabic words.
- Ki Adi Mundi.....who is apparently now at least 40-60 years past the life expectancy of Cerean. NTM the ONE voice saying that the Sith have been extinct for a millennium.
- Fully fledged Wookiee Jedi......killed offscreen.
- Big bad momma bear showing off her power, gets killed in the attempt, "unjustly" cuz she was going to let the child go.

The list goes on. In summation, it all adds up to bad fan fiction on such a level that actually makes Twilight GOOD by comparison.
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« Reply #72 on: August 28, 2024, 04:48:01 PM »

LSG, Senate v. Jedi was already done in the EU series Fate of the Jedi. But it also falls into the same trope that was played out in Man of Steel and Hancock; how do you "control" beings that you physically cannot contend with, and have as much sentience as the governing body, if not more?

From what I gathered of the cliff notes of the show, the writer pretty much just took a bunch of now non-canon plot points that had yet to be utilized and poorly pasted them together with a smattering of cameos and nostalgia interwoven with.....topics apparently to sensitive to mention on the forum.

- Let's make Anakin's conception not special.
- Space witches...because that hasn't already been done. Roll Eyes
- Killing a Jedi without a weapon.....even though knives and poison are weapons. Plus, Vader already used such a device when training Starkiller. SK was dropped on a world run by hostile forces, without a weapon (Force skills only) with the sole objective to get off world and back home.
- Cortosis. DUMB! Cortosis is the key component in starship hulls. Useful as both blaster resistance but also for energy absorption during reentry. Phrik would have been a cooler material to "introduce" to the newbs. This further surprised me considering how DSW apparently loathes multisyllabic words.
- Ki Adi Mundi.....who is apparently now at least 40-60 years past the life expectancy of Cerean. NTM the ONE voice saying that the Sith have been extinct for a millennium.
- Fully fledged Wookiee Jedi......killed offscreen.
- Big bad momma bear showing off her power, gets killed in the attempt, "unjustly" cuz she was going to let the child go.

The list goes on. In summation, it all adds up to bad fan fiction on such a level that actually makes Twilight GOOD by comparison.

I'd like to address several salient points--all good--that you bring up:

"The Acolyte" had some good ideas, but almost all poorly written and executed.  On a point-by-point basis:
-I agree that the "Force Conception" part does dilute the entire Anakin "Chosen One" development...but I've NEVER liked that plot point.  I'd always felt that Anakin would've been a MUCH better character without such a cliched and, frankly, unnecessary trope.  IMO, after the OT I had it in my head canon that Anakin was/had been another Jedi, extremely powerful to be sure, but nothing like the messianic figure that he evolved into with the PT.  It's too bad; I thought that the PT would've been better driven by something more distinctive for Anakin e.g. possible love triangle between Anakin, Padme, and Obi-Wan.  To me, this gives Vader a more personal reason in his antipathy towards Obi-Wan.
-Yes, space witches are not unique; I also think that the "Sisters of Dathomir" were better characters.  But that's not to say that another Force-sensitive group couldn't have worked, especially since (if what I've read about/seen) "The Acolyte" was trying to introduce more "gray-on-gray" characterizations.
-Yeah, the whole "killing without a weapon" bit was just disappointing and contrived: it was a...Force Choke.  Really?  For what it was built up as, to have the answer be so...pedestrian.  What a waste...
-I actually like the cortosis inclusion.  Having read about it way back in Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Duology, I got a real kick with seeing it on screen.  Was the fight perfect?  Not in the least; however, I will give it this: there was some very good choreography in the fight.  However, it too was victim of a problem endemic throughout the entire series: many things HAD to happen for the convenience of the plot instead of developing organically.
-Ki Adi Mundi.  Entirely pointless fanservice AND a prime example of fanservice done poorly e.g. diverging from accepted canon JUST BECUZ the showrunners decided(?)  No thanks.
-Wookie Jedi.  This one is particularly egregious: this was one of the characters/"plot points" that I was excited to see...and that happens.  What.  A.  Waste.
-Yet another example of sophomoric writing: this entire set up is used to elicit what the writers want to foist upon us.  Not only is it completely ham-fisted in its attempt, it's cringe-inducing.  One possible solution: why didn't the mother just say "Yes, she'll be trained by the Jedi."  Instead of...well, what we got.  But, hey, it HAD to happen, otherwise there would be no show (by the Force that's depressing...)

But my biggest point on contention(cue sarcasm mode, please): nothing--NOTHING!--will ever make "Twilight" look good.  Ever.   Wink

I still think that a Sith-centric series and/or movie is a fantastic idea; just look at the books e.g. Those concerning Darths Bane, Tenebrous, and Plagueis have been well received; why not adapt one of them?

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« Reply #73 on: August 28, 2024, 06:05:20 PM »

....it's cringe-inducing.
This has been the one description I have heard most when describing this show. But also, let's not forget about the bonus dis-track that was most likely composed by AI.

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But my biggest point on contention(cue sarcasm mode, please): nothing--NOTHING!--will ever make "Twilight" look good.  Ever.   Wink
My ex had me watch that trainwreck of a series. Were they terrible? Hellz yes. Was it bad fan-fic? Abso-#$%@ing-lutely. But the creator didn't come back and scream and spew venom on everyone that hated it. I thought Romeo & Juliet was crap too, but I still read it. When you break it down, it was simply two dumb teenagers that had big feelings about something their parents wouldn't approve of both end up killing themselves because they were too immature to realize that life goes on after heartbreak. BUT...the story had very relatable themes that near everyone encounters in adolescence; in particular the crushing weight you feel when it ends, or worse when you thought it ended. Plus, the finger wagging the feuds are dumb and love conquers all. That's the part I'm stealing. .....

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I still think that a Sith-centric series and/or movie is a fantastic idea; just look at the books e.g. Those concerning Darths Bane, Tenebrous, and Plagueis have been well received; why not adapt one of them?
....in particular for my Sith-centric story. Even though....technically even this has already been done with Revan and Bastilla. I just have my own take on how it plays out, and it'll be great. And I promise not to call anyone names if you call my work derivative (because it is slightly). It's hard anymore to find a wholly original concept. My biggest problem with DSW is that they don't understand the Force, least of which the dark side and the Sith. (And if the writing dept. is staffed the same way Marvel WAS, then it becomes transparently evident why.) But "you're missing the big picture why those old Sith Lords had to go to make way for Sith LADIES." If those actually shouting that had read the Bane trilogy, they'd have known that his apprentice, Zannah, was a true badass. Not because she was a woman, but simply because she trained and strengthened herself. She also had the added ability of Sith Sorcery; an ability that Bane couldn't teach her since he didn't have it, and one that he actually was afraid of. And then, when puts on her girl-boss panties and ascends to master, her apprentice is also female.

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« Reply #74 on: August 30, 2024, 03:08:16 AM »

Acolyte season 2 officially killed.

…and they did it without a weapon! Most impressive. Grin
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