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Master Lucien Kane
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« on: March 11, 2012, 04:36:27 AM »

I'm working on designing in universe sets of armor for dueling. Basically this will cover any area that can be seriously injured in saber combat... I.E. Just about everything.

Some features they will have

1. They will look like something Jedi/Sith would wear... There will be generic designs for Jedi and Sith.

2. They will be tested rigorously to withstand full contact dueling. If they look cool that's great... if they protect your brain, that's even better.

I posted something about this in another thread and no one seemed to be very interested, so I'm seeing if maybe it gets more attention here.

I'm testing a few different materials for use, if anyone has any suggestions for other materials to use then I would welcome it...

I will also post videos here if people are interested in seeing what happens with what we test.... However I will not do that until we have a working prototype set of armor that is ready to go.
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2012, 04:38:37 AM »

If I were a Jedi i'd wear armor. Just something nice about an armored Jedi. Lucien if you can make affordable as well It would be a big bonus. Cannot wait to see what you come up with.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2012, 05:06:27 AM »

If either style of set ends out looking along the lines of Stormtrooper, Scout Trooper, or Clone Armor of any type.... I'll start saving up money to purchase at least a partial set. And I know another guy who'd probably want one as well! This would be a GREAT thing to have available!
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2012, 05:26:07 AM »

One of my big points is to make this affordable... I plan to use it for my dueling club so my kids can spar each other without fear of injuries.

That being said, I am fabricating them by hand from scratch, so they may be a little expensive... That being said, I will make it so that they can be bought as a partial set so people can save up their money and eventually compile a full set.

Manroon, I have my own design drawn up and ready to go... I'm not sure exactly what the Jedi and Sith models are going to look like, but they will likely have a plated armor type feel to them... Think Cade Skywalker's armor... Not exactly that, but something similar... This will keep cost down and theoretically make for a pretty strong armor design.

That being said... I may accept custom designs, but that will cost extra...

I can't say anything for certain because I'm still in design stages, next month I am planning to move to fabrication and testing stages. Which will be the real fun part... If not a little painful. All I am waiting on right now is for the VA to pay me so I can go get the materials I need.

Mind you, I am what is considered a "professional", I've done martial arts for most of my life, and I have done a lot of testing type stuff in the Marine Corps... I have been taking punches and blows for many years. I do not recommend or endorse people going out and taking their sabers to homemade armor. I will be doing this in a controlled environment with someone I trust fully.

So I repeat I don't recommend going out making a set of armor out of cardboard and then taking a saber to it.... So whatever videos I post, I strongly urge people not to try and replicate any of the tests I'll be doing.

I really think as much as the saber world is picking up the need for mission specific gear is becoming more and more essential. We are not fencers though some of us fence, and we are not Kendo practitioners though some of us to Kendo. We are using an entirely different weapon in an entirely different manner, and that merits it's own protective equipment.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2012, 06:02:37 AM »

That being said... I may accept custom designs, but that will cost extra...

This makes me feel like you're starting a business...Interesting...
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2012, 06:17:19 AM »

I look forward to seeing this!
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2012, 06:53:56 AM »

The partial sets option is going to be cool. I didn't expect this to be too cheap, from the prices I've seen on other safety gear, and I know that with the sparring my friend and I do, there are certain areas we each tend to attack which we'll want to protect first, and certain areas we never go for which we may wish to leave open for maneuvering advantages.

*googles cade* I think I could get down with armor like that! A little paint, a little use, and it'll be both believable and unique. Good style to be similar to, Lucien! I like it, though I still love the classic look of some 'liberated' stormie plastic, the style you mention has something of a more hardcore look to it. Very BA!

Be interesting to see what material you end out using as well. Wish I could help more with that, but I know little about these things myself.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2012, 07:54:02 AM »

The partial sets option is going to be cool. I didn't expect this to be too cheap, from the prices I've seen on other safety gear, and I know that with the sparring my friend and I do, there are certain areas we each tend to attack which we'll want to protect first, and certain areas we never go for which we may wish to leave open for maneuvering advantages.

*googles cade* I think I could get down with armor like that! A little paint, a little use, and it'll be both believable and unique. Good style to be similar to, Lucien! I like it, though I still love the classic look of some 'liberated' stormie plastic, the style you mention has something of a more hardcore look to it. Very BA!

Be interesting to see what material you end out using as well. Wish I could help more with that, but I know little about these things myself.

I'm looking into using a high impact ABS plastic. I've been told that the more you bend or form them the more durability you lose, which is why I'm looking into the plated style of armor, that will have a minimum amount of bends and help keep costs and injuries down.. So vacuum forming sintra or ABS plastic is kind of counter intuitive because it makes the thickness of the material next to none. So far the helmet is going to be the big trick. I'm planning a polycarb visor that will not come out or budge if you take a stab to the face. Once again a lot of this is touch and go, and I could find out that the plastic is absolutely worthless for taking a hit.

This isn't the only material we're looking into, but it will be about the cheapest, and the easiest to work with.

This makes me feel like you're starting a business...Interesting...

Hmm... I dunno, there are a lot of things on the table right now, so I won't discredit anything. That being said whatever me and my friend do will probably not be publicized here out of respect to ultrasabers!

but the armor is something I think should be offered to all duelists, and kind of a neat "hopefully cheaper" alternative to using other safety gear that isn't intended for dueling.

I will say this, I will get Ultra's permission before actually offering anything on this site. The saberforum is for the discussion of ultrasabers products, and I don't want to take away from that. I'm honestly kicking myself for not PM'ing him before posting this thread, but I'm excited about making it, and I'm wondering if anyone else would even want to use it.

 
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2012, 08:16:22 AM »

...I'm wondering if anyone else would even want to use it.

I don't duel very hard with my friends and I want it just to look Snazzy Grin
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2012, 08:24:43 AM »

I don't duel very hard with my friends and I want it just to look Snazzy Grin

and my philosophy is why not both lol
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2012, 08:25:46 AM »

I'd be interested in seeing the designs as well.
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2012, 08:49:35 AM »

I'd be interested in seeing the designs as well.

Once I get a working prototype, I'll be happy to post most of my sketches and initial designs. I just don't want to jump the gun while in design when a lot of things are going to change once we actually start building... Best plans laid to waste and all that nonsense, but I promise to share my creative process once we have a suit that will take the beating I want it to take. Which is quite a beating, the videos for this should be fun to do as well.
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2012, 04:20:41 PM »

I honestly think this is a cool idea and wish to see whatever designs you create.
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2012, 04:59:02 PM »

Sounds like a cool idea to me too. If yo do get this off the ground, I'll be interested in some, though mostly for costume purposes.
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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2012, 08:26:26 PM »

I recommend HDPE over ABS plastic.  ABS can have toxic outgassing at temperatures used for softening and manipulating; HDPE doesn't.
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