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Author Topic: Favorite exercises for building your sabering core?  (Read 19990 times)
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« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2012, 04:28:49 AM »

When I get a PM on a thread and come to find this level of inconsiderate behavior I get rather upset. This is a friendly community. Stop bickering.

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« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2012, 05:52:58 AM »

Let us regroup with a realignment of the topic?

The idea of the tread was to consider particular exercises that were liked by those using them.

So rather than the whole of the PX90 which I have been on the fence with ordering because of cost alone, perhaps offer a specific series of movements or routines from the same that is specifically appreciated?

Rather than debate new age terms and processes perhaps offer a few specific aspects for the whole of the forum to use in general exercise; which should be noted were offered early on with consideration of pushup's and short comings of situps...but could be further expanded upon with more options.

When it comes to any comparative aspects there will always be polar considerations and proponents of a given style, technique, or methodology.

Truthfully I have been involved with many debates, here within the forums and throughout my life, it is in my nature to challenge that which I have experienced and know from training to be right or wrong...as was presented at the time.

Things do change and ideas constantly pop up, some with and some without official support, but this is not the thread for that...unless a given exercise is clearly and proven to be dangerous or damaging.

Where I had hoped the thread to go was..."I have found this exercise to be great in between heavy workout days" "my favorite is this" "I added my saber into my exercise with this" etc.

Not so much whole process and lifestyle applications, which has excellent value and merit...but is slightly off center.

So hopefully we can get the ship righted with specific exercises that offer something meaningful for you (members of the forum).

I will offer one thought from all the previous debate...I am the first to admit that I can be focused and attentive to subjects that have value to me...be these the mundane or even trivial like sith vs Jedi or how much hot chili to use or not use...or important subjects like bullying and communication...does that mean I am always right, hardly...even if I still think so.

With the debate it became clear that it was a kung fu vs karate, sweet vs salty, hot vs cold, etc. sort of argument...regardless of which side makes more sense to me or that I favor in particular, the argument will not be resolved due to the polar sources.

It will not be a "oh I see, well since you say it like that I will give up all that I know and understand to accept what you say" moment, be this because it is established or experimental processes/thinking.

So rather than fight over it, perhaps offer something of functional use to the forum as a whole...proof is in the pudding as it were.

Just say "try this"...not "do not try that".

With common sense of course..."I like to hit myself in the head with a brick" should be noted as a bad exercise.

So with that, on to not hitting ourselves in the head with bricks  Cheesy
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« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2012, 07:04:25 AM »

"I like to hit myself in the head with a brick"
There's nothing wrong with body hardening exercises!  They can especially be fun if used in the partner-assisted fashion (with or without your partner's foreknowledge)   Wink

In all seriousness, and back on topic, if you want to get better or stronger at something, remember that repetition is preferable over weight.  With that said, find your preferred form/style and practice it.  Yup, it is as simple as that.

If you prefer spinning, then spin.  If you prefer a kata, then perform that kata.  Don't just do it for a minute or a couple of minutes, but do it until your muscles decide to say "frak off."

Performing a kata over and over may seem boring, but it will help you to imprint the forms into muscle memory.  Also, every kata should include all of the necessary skills for use of that form in a random setting (all of the appropriate blocks and strikes).

After a while, as with any plyometric exercise, that saber will start getting mighty heavy.  Make sure to use proper form.  If you are not sure, then video yourself and see what you need to work on (or post it here and others can help).  After a while, you will notice the feelings getting better, the moves getting easier, and the time lengthening before you have to stop.

If there is not a kata dedicated to your form or style that you prefer, then design one!  Makashi with twin shoto sabers, Vaapad with a single tonfa saber, Shii-Cho with a saberpike, make it up!  Be sure it includes all of the necessary attacks, blocks, and special moves as illustrated in the fiction/based martial art.
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« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2012, 06:08:24 PM »

If there is not a kata dedicated to your form or style that you prefer, then design one!  Makashi with twin shoto sabers, Vaapad with a single tonfa saber, Shii-Cho with a saberpike, make it up!  Be sure it includes all of the necessary attacks, blocks, and special moves as illustrated in the fiction/based martial art.

Funny you bring this up.  I'm actually doing exactly that.  Though it's mostly just for the challenge of it rather than a belief that it'll be truly applicable.  It certainly is harder than it seems.  

EDIT: For actual combat practice, I still do prefer the Shii-Cho/Djem-So Forms.
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« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2012, 08:20:29 PM »

If there is not a kata dedicated to your form or style that you prefer, then design one!  Makashi with twin shoto sabers, Vaapad with a single tonfa saber, Shii-Cho with a saberpike, make it up!  Be sure it includes all of the necessary attacks, blocks, and special moves as illustrated in the fiction/based martial art.

Shii-Cho is still my go-to Form. I've always wanted both a saber staff and a pike. Thanks to Master Nonymous, we can see what Shii-Cho looks like with a saber staff.

I'd REALLY like to see Makashi with a Yari/Pike variation.
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« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2012, 05:42:10 AM »

im just adding what i have done over the years for sword play practice ... i have 2 bokkens.. one is made of a heavier wood with a metal core... very hard to find it was.... but i started praticing with a normal run of the mill 15$ bokken... or even a broom handle cut and grip taped to the correct lfull length of a saber.. can be used ....

the first parts i did.. were just as any true master wold teach a puipal.. basic stance, with forward strike.. 10 times.. trying to be precice and not let the "blade" wiggle or jiggle when finishing the strikes.. much like in kendo practice.. following this with each strike possible.. more of a "teaching your body the movements"

for excercises i just put on wrist weights.. and did more repetitions .. then went to heavier and heavier swords/bokkens.... its a really good workout.. and gets the blood puppin...
for core workouts, i use the leg lift method.. lay on the grouand andhave a weight heavy enough to help keep you down, but not to much to make it hard to breathe.. then keeping egs straight, bring them straight up.. then drop them to the ground.. BUT STOP THEM ^ INCHES FROM THE FLOOR.. do this 10 times.. then rest for 15 sec.... then d it again.... alternate this excersise every other day with the above method for body memory strikes...

another type of core strengthening can be added t the leg lifts.. by simply starting with them both up, then drop down in the middle, bring them up, then drop to the left, then back up.. then drop to the middle, back up, then to the right, back up, and repeat.. i will personally guarantee you will get a very good core workout from this.. as well as you can intensify this method by having a partner to stand at your shoulders.. and lightly push your feet down at random in the left middle right pattern so that your core is constantly trying to counter the force..

REMEMBER.. the key to this core workout is to NOT LET YOUR FEET TOUCH , but get as close to the ground, as possible.... some will start out only being able to do this for a minute, or only get 5 done and be hurting, its ok to burn in the stomach, it just means that weakness is leaving your body...


also.. a good focus/will power/determination exercise you can practice is "the plank".... hold your stomach and mid body straight, on your toes and resting on your elbows at a 90* angle.. for roughly 60 seconds, or up to 120 seconds, depending on the focus/will/determination you want to bolster... but 1 minute/60 sec.. is more the enough.. any more and your just showing off.. lmao.... i will have pics for each of these methods described... might even be able to get some person videos made, as i am a licensed massage therapist at a Fitness, massage, nutrition center

as most saber/sword combat is focused alot on movements of the core to gain the strength and the majority of movements, "power comes from the hips".... most instructors might say.. as many have said to me ....

i am hoping that the up coming months and videos that i make and post will be up to par with the community.. and look forward to passing on

again i am not trying to be an authority on the "perfect" training for lightsabers.. simply giving my insight on what has given almost everyone i have worked with what everyone wants when they get advise on fitness... results...

that being said, look forward to some vids in the coming months
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« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2012, 07:18:30 AM »

When I get a PM on a thread and come to find this level of inconsiderate behavior I get rather upset. This is a friendly community. Stop bickering.

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« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2012, 06:12:40 PM »

and when he get upset he lets me out of my cage to settle things!
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I would like to inform you that I just sprayed my monitor with about half a mouthfull of coffee and aspirated the other half...

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« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2012, 08:04:39 PM »

LMAO!!!!   Screen protectors... Never drink coffee with them..
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« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2012, 05:05:41 PM »


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« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2012, 05:57:30 PM »


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The colors in your Shii-Cho footwork diagrams now make SO MUCH SENSE.

LMAO!!!  Cheesy
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« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2012, 06:26:11 PM »

The colors in your Shii-Cho footwork diagrams now make SO MUCH SENSE.


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« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2012, 07:09:57 PM »

So this is as good a place as any to ask.  I'm currently looking for an exercise that will specifically work my shoulders and that general area.  Preferably without using free weights or machines if possible.  But if I need em I can get em.

Anyone know anything good? 
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« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2012, 09:37:19 PM »

So this is as good a place as any to ask.  I'm currently looking for an exercise that will specifically work my shoulders and that general area.  Preferably without using free weights or machines if possible.  But if I need em I can get em.

Anyone know anything good? 
Kettle bells are the weight of choice for the should girdle. Doing front and side lifts with dumb bells is a bodybuilding thing which would not give you a ton of benefit forth work you would put in. It is also not a great pattern to be going for if doing saber.

There is not a better exercise for the entire body than push ups. Shoulder core, etc. It may be boring, but it is the one exercise you find totally world wide. And you can do them anywhere.

Bear crawls and hand balancing as well are great body weight exercises that won't risk putting strength on dysfunction. The shoulder should be relaxed and responsive but stable in a very dynamic way, Body weight is the way to go in my opinion.

It worked for my injury and my buddies. He went from a dislocation to competing in less than a year.
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« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2012, 10:42:31 PM »

So this is as good a place as any to ask.  I'm currently looking for an exercise that will specifically work my shoulders and that general area.  Preferably without using free weights or machines if possible.  But if I need em I can get em.

Anyone know anything good? 

if i might add my own  opinion.. or rather anther option for shoulder training.. take a broom... i know it sounds funny.. but the head of the broom has a good weight.. and practice the sword swings.. at a tree or other hard surface.. try to do it smoothly.. in a straight line.. and stop the broom stick just before the tree trunk.. or the hard surface.. do this over and over.. till you have a good hold and can stop the broom stick with very little shaking... a solid smooth swift strike with muscle memory can make your saber dueling very efficient and it helps to teach the body good self awareness and endurance... i hope this helps.. i will have a short video soon of this example.. thank you for reading

again i am no master, simply what i have followed over the years as i practice swordsmanship myself
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